Catalonia’s independence movement, explained
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On October 1st Catalonia held a controversial referendum on independence. Before the vote took place, the Spanish Constitutional Courts ruled the vote illegal and sent the national guard to stop it from happening. Despite government opposition, the vote was held and clashes between voters and police ensued.
Ninety percent of the participants voted in favor of independence, but public surveys say that current support for independence in Catalonia is only 41 percent.
Despite the contested referendum results, Catalonia has declared independence unilaterally. In response, Spain is moving to dissolve the Catalan regional government, remove its leaders from office and hold regional elections.
You can read a full explainer on the situation via Sarah Wildman at our website: www.vox.com/world/2017/10/2/1...
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Ironically Spain's right-wing party is called VOX, not really relevant to the video, just thought it was funny.
VOX is a spanish right-wing party, not far-right. Far-right would be La Falange.
It’s a right wing party not a far right party, if you’re going to spread lies just don’t comment at all
@@victorhernandezmadueno8927 He fixed it
@@pepitogrillo3368 He fixed it
@@victorhernandezmadueno8927 are they anti capitalists?
Don't forget that spain has a veto right in the EU. So if Catalania would become independent and apply for a EU membership, Spain could veto and keep them out.
I'm 80% sure they're not on the security council
Security Council is the UN not EU. Within the EU all 27 members have to agree to let another nation join.
they can always join EFTA and thats like being in the EU, but not having a right to vote.
The Separatists are such morons. If Greece can prevent Macedonia from any closer integration with the EU simply because the. Slavic Macedonians named their nation Macedonia, then how the hell do they not assume a furious, divorced Spain wouldn't be even worse?
Dominik Drobisz Idk. It seems legit, but if there's Spain in EU, they probably make it hard make for Catalan to join EFTA or EU. Bitter political history probably hinder it.
If this happens in india then 30 + countries will emerge on the basis of language
just 30?
Humzah Hassan
Am afraid more
Baloush people want there country
Shieks want there own country
And if I would list them out it well be worse
Mostly it will divide in to NORTH INDIA AND SOUTH INDIA. we south indians are paying much taxes and benefitted very little from government.
pokala rohith thats how a nation maintains stability, rich states help poor states, but i also think that there should be a limit!
@@keshavlikhar2660 yes but northern states like bihar and UP should develop instead of taking money from south. their leaders build statues of themselves with public money like mayawati did and politics based on caste. South doesn't have proper rail infrastructure even though we pay a lot of taxes. In return BJP tries to impose hindi over dravidian languages. If india splits it will be because of them.
There so many separatists movements around the World.
I hope they reap Europe apart and leave the rest of world alone.
CZcams authorities so you do not believe in democracy ?
but I really want Ukraine to be united and strong to be safe from putler.
CZcams authorities so do u want all states in a country that want independence to be independent?
CZcams authorities do u support the Kurds independence and separatist movements in Europe cause I think we need strong united countries in Europe and not a mess of little independent nations
Catalonia won't become an EU-member because all of the current members have to accept catalonia, and Spain won't do that if they manage to get independent
Why would they want to be in the eu it's a carbon taxed German run dictatorship
They will eventually recognize them same happened when bangladesh was separated from Pakistan
United States doesn't recognized Catalonia, and there's 100% sure that USA will veto Catalan's UN membership
I read California first time and was very confused :)
if catalonia leaves they migh be richer than spain so spain could get kicked tbh
Last time I was this early Spain had an empire
Your not early your slightly late
Old asf
OH Snap!
Well, technically, they still have a couple of colonies in Morocco. So they can still be called an empire, however thats politically incorrect.
ARVIN Meh more like terretories
Spain has more cultures than you think! Andalusian culture, Asturian culture etc.
Basques are same with Galicia s??
@@tajsonpjetri2948 No, they're completely different. The Basque is a pre-roman language while Galician are the predecessor of the Portuguese.
@@andgames9805 no i mean they are the same race?
@@tajsonpjetri2948 Race? Are you talking about skin color?
@@andgames9805 and language
"We are catalan, we feel Catalan, we speak Catalan and its another culture" um come to India, Papua new Guinea and Philippines that every regions speaks different languages and have different cultures and identity
But not everyone in India is forced to speak Hindi
But Spain is enforcing one ethnicity on them unlike India
Indonesia too
@@adamender9092 Is it though? How would they be forcing it? By the way Spain was made when they put a democracy, every Autonomy (Catalonia being one of them) has its own elections, congress and president, and has control over Education, Healthcare and most services, infrastructure and properties. Catalonia is in fact a special case because they have more power than other autonomies, having their own police force, being Catalan an official language (same status as Spanish) and having many other things from a special status. Where is the imposition coming from if they control everything but the money they collect from taxes, and ironically Catalonia receives back more money from Spain than the one it sends from tax collection? I see no way anyone can impose anything on Catalonia honestly. And the hundreds of free and peaceful protests that have been carried out (and had a massive impact mind you) would indicate me quite the opposite.
@@juanmola2000 Education is carried by the spanish ministerio, the autonomies only have "counselors".
That's what every country does, the richer states or regions support the poorest within the country, that's how it works.
Fabrizio Villafranco Why should they? You make it sound like catalonia ows something to spain. Every nation can make its own choises. What you are advertising is wealth destribution or socialism. No wonder spain is a failed state.
ivan bregar I'm not advertising socialism .That's how it works here in the USA, the richer states support the poorest that's how counties are able to maintain a nation.
@@ivanbregar1646 Catalonia wouldn't have any infrastructure if not for spain. You guys are just cheap
@@jonathanarroyo6319 lol because it's not as if catalonia is paying taxes to the spanish government, money that they could be using themselves to pay for infrastructure if they had their own government
@@michaelgatan6663 or be squirreling away in Andorra and Switzerland.
Taxes in Spain are paid NOT depending on the region you are, but the amount of money you earn. Spain do NOT tax Catalans more than other regions.
If they make more money on average then they will get taxed more than other regions. Making more money on average is made possible by hosting a greater share of more highly lucrative industries.
Allright.
It's not true. A lot of taxes depends on the autonomies: IRPF for example.
stop leeching on poor catalans
lmfao in other central regions of Spain we have got to pay almost high taxes as Catalonia and we are not asking for independence XD
Britain: *Go to your room Scotland, no independence for you today*
Northern Ireland as well XDD
@@kakalimukherjee3297 Not really. We’re still British and we want to be ;)
@@jamesthejoker7415 nah "we" don't
@@c4lumm4c “You” don’t, Majority are unionist, at least for now. could that change? It’s very possible, but for now, majority want to be in the United Kingdom 🇬🇧
Isn't Scottish king the one who conquer England and form UK ? (Jame Stuart)
I mean, isn’t that how a country works? New York gives money to Mississippi to support the other parts of their country, England gives to Scotland and Wales, Mexico City gives to Chiapas because that’s just how nations function
Thats not really. I, myself, would be very happy to support my country, but in return, I would want more development to my city. Many times, cities and rich regions in a country are neglected as a money basket. Politicians don't usually give those regions the support they need to improve their life. My city, for example, has highways that small and no subway, a classroom has 40 students each and hospitals are way too small. Even though the countryside, that has a school that is too big, like with swimming pools. My school has to share a swimming pool with 3 other schools.
You mean LONDON gives money to England. Scotland and Wales... time for a proper independence movement
@@sangpham9871 True, but in the case of Catalonia they've literally benefited more from infrastructures than many other parts of Spain. Some places on the poorer regions still have roads from the 19th century and the vote of places like Leon literally count less than of Catalonia or Madrid.
england and scotland and wales are all their own countries that are part of the uk. also scotland has historically given far more money to england than it has recieved in return, especially with our oil (more oil than norway btw) because we don't have control over it.
@@sangpham9871 Why not create city states instead? Why should New York support Kansas? They should grow their own food instead or import from Kansas and increase already a very high cost of living.
Brilliant idea!!!
Richer regions support the poorer regions of a nation, that's how nations work.
Anna A N Look up your facts this is not Vox the political party, this is Vox the news agency. You cringe
@@_blank-_ this is correct
and the poor also support the rich by offering their services for a low price, its called an economy
@@hensolo8825 IM DYING WTF JDKEJFKR
@@Annahappychristmas hahah estos no son de VOX españa... madre mia hahaha
All I'm thinking about is its consequences on La Liga
lol
If anything it would be like Monaco in Ligue 1
Madrid (Atletico and Real) would run the spanish league for the next 100 years lol
All i think is that people who gets worred about football probably never had had a brain... football is a way of control... open your eyes
No more El Clasico 😩😩😩
I'm BISAYA, I FEEL BISAYA, I SPEAK BISAYA, and it is another culture, but I AM FILIPINO, there are more dialects in my country than your country but we choose to be united despite of our differences!!
IT'S NOT JUST THE LANGUAGE, IT'S MUCH MORE
@@merceq1 still not a good idea, besides they will never be part of the european union and not all people in catalonia are happy with it, especially people living in barcelona..
Welp, you as a nation became independent from Spain for that reason (yes, and because of the way the islands were ruled, the economy, etc. I'm not defending Catalonia though) 😂😂
@@merceq1 bisaya also have their culture and it's very different from the rest of our country.
and tell me do you get the taxes worth of governement probably yes catalonia doues not
One of the richest regions playing the victim
RICAS POQUE TRABAJAMOS, NO COMO TU
Trabajan unos cuantos mientras los demás vivís del cuento
That's exactly why they are the victim.
Here in the USA wealthier regions like NYC or California get disproptionate share of welfare state and federal government funding to make up for the extra tax revenue they send.
You are using the Catalan people like slaves
For 20 seconds, I thought they were talking about California and wondering why they felt Spanish.
Bruh 😂
Well they were part of mexico once lol
swaizland changed its name for sounding the same as swisserland
@@Luisyz_ they were spanish for a long time too, like florida, texas, arizona, etc
didn't california use to be in spain? or mexico
so, catalonia asked EU for help to separate from Spain while spain is one of the most well-respected members in EU ?
that's like if palestine asking U.S to help fighting Israel.
you can't get more wrong from that
Malik no. We didn’t ask for help to separate. We get they need to side with Spain. We asked them to ensure that Spain acted democratically, which it is not doing. So long for the European values...
Are you aware all the south of Europe is known as pigs that don't pay taxes and that includes Spain.
Nil Fabra you must be stupid if you think spaniards do not pay taxes. I work in the EU, and that is false, everyone contributes.....
nah you are a fat pig that think that we dont pay taxes
our govs are corrupt
"Well respected"? 18% unemployment rates, hmm
If everybody starts to do this then the world will be a literally broken place
true if all the united countries and the ones with different regions split up there would be like 10k countries and more micronations
Because the world is not already a broken place.
@@gabor6259 it would become "more" broken
@@BadDictator no, it would become more free
@@BadDictator I see it as a good thing.
I am from Barcelona and no one of my friends and family want to stay in Spain, but I feel more Spanish than Catalan 🇪🇸♥️
I hope you guys win every el Classico I am a fan
SUGAR COOKIE
Oleee!! Viva España 🇪🇸🇪🇸 :)
@Painter
Tus muertos 😒
Free catalonia
Catalunya Lliure!
A few points to be made:
1. The UK does not have a constitution like Spain does. Spanish constitution, just like every other constitution in the world (except Ethiopia) forbids such referendum.
2. Scotland was once an independent kingdom, Catalonia belonged first to France and then to the Kingdom of Aragon (and then Spain). It has never been an independent state.
3. Catalonia already has an exceptionally high level of autonomy, at the same level of States in the USA or german Landers. They control their education, healthcare, public TV and they have their own Police force.
4. Spanish autonomous regions can express their rights within the legal framework, the constitution can be changed by the parliament.
5. The catalan tax system is quite fair. There is a greater economic inbalance with in Catalonia. Catalonia has all their provinces conected through high speed trains. Infrastructures could be better without the corrupt catalan goverment (see 3% and Jordi Pujol).
Lucas De Lorenzo You, sir, need to be way up in the comment section
Catalonia has never belonged to France what are you on about. There was this thing called the Spanish March during the High Middle Ages, a bunch of landlords and counties inside the Iberia that was also used as a buffer zone. But that march covered the whole of northern Spain, from Pamplona, not in Catalonia, to Barcelona.
mateo sanchez fitzgerald Hombre, no se si tu fuente será el instituto de Nova Historia que dice que Colón era catalán pero, grosso modo, Cataluña fue un territorio francés. El Imperio Carolingio creó la Marca Hispánica, como tú dices desde Pamplona hasta el mar. Posteriormente aparecen el reino de Navarra y de Aragón, y el único territorio peninsular francés que queda son los condados catalanes Barcelona, el hegemónico, Gerona y Ausona; juntos abarcan gran parte de la actual Cataluña. Luego estos se integran en la corona de Aragón. De esta manera, simplificando mucho podemos decir que Cataluña (los condados catalanes) perteneció a Francia (Carolingios) hasta que se integró en el Reino de Aragón (España).
Catalonia was possessed by France during the Reign of King Louis XIV
Lucas De Lorenzo Olé tu, tienes razón en todo
you left out how catalonia benefited from all the infrastructure and factories while the poorer regions have railways from the 19th century
The first train in Spain was in Barcelona, furthermore, the trains in these years advanced so low... Catalonia didn't benefite until 20th
@@claudiabeltran6381 What about all the investment for the 1992 olympics; what about the SEAT factory, and so on!?
catalonia benefited, yes, but others cities too so Catalonia is as important as all cities in Spain.
Irene Viñas ‘as important’ of course, not more. Despite what Más, Puigdemont and Torra have said, there’s no real animosity towards Catalans.
Not exactly true Paula. The infrastructure and factories were set up in Catalunya because the initiative and workforce was in the North. it was Franco who encouraged poorer parts of Spain to emigrate and work in Catalunya in the 50s and 60s where they were generally very welcome and have become so Catalan that many of them also want independence 50 years on. The poorer regions of Spain at the moment have free modern motorways, as they should, the fastest trains in Europe, good hospitals and good schools and this has been a successful distribution of wealth which the Catalans applauded and help to set up from 1979 onwards. The issue and crisis is not about this at all. It is based on a deep resentment of not being respected or listened to, despite contributing more that 20% of the GDP.
lol so they want to separate from Spain cos of a different culture and language..India would be divided in atleast 500 parts then if that logic is applied.
Introducing Pakistan and Bangladesh. What is your point?
@@MrEueu89 point is, having a different language and culture is not enough justification for a separate country.
You can be a united diverse multicultural country and still preserve and promote your language/culture.
@@netajithevar296 It can be done and it has been done. We don't get to decide whether it's a strong justification or not, the people involved do.
@@MrEueu89 if we bend to every whims and fancies of separatists, we'll be back to feudal age dutchys.
Unless you are not given equal constitutional rights, your language/culture & way of life is restricted. There is no justification for seperatism.
@@netajithevar296 Sorry but I don't dwell in the ifs and shoulds. I'm merely commenting on what has already happened; culture, language and/or religion can cause separation.
Not all Catalonians want independence!! At least 50% want to be a part of Spain.
Lets just do vote like quebec and Scotland... It is simple if half wants remain than why are spain not even giving Catalonia voting right....
Yeah let them vote
@@hectormonfort1295 that would ba a great plan..... If the last time the secessionist and independentists hadn't falsify the votes, filling the urns with apers in favor of the independence..... Before the vote even started. A guys voted for the independence 6 times, in 6 different places. So, if the vote was held by Catalunya, it would obviously be a yes, mainly Beacouse of all of the corruption and lies.
the most of they are immigrants from other parts of spain
@@TheLostPrimarch2nd you just invented that man. Ridiculous
Wow, everyone wants to be independent, wont be long untill each house is his own country.
crewcutter2030 😂😂
Exactly my thoughts 😂
crewcutter2030 like California wants to separate from the usa
It's better that way. God made us naturally dislike each other in Babylon for a reason. Because humanity being united apart from God is tragic. We should all be united under Jesus Christ. If we can't, forget about unity because humanism or human unity apart from God is the highest form of evil.
Sam Bee oh get the hell out of here with that nonsense
Just a catalan who doesn't want independence passing by..
So you're like the majority of catalans? Also what is telling is that the working classes, the people who would actually have been most harmed by the recession and Spain not spending enough on Catalonia oppose independence.
thats right
Catalonia is part of Spain!
yezz.
Catalonia my people, Spain my homeland and Europe my future!
So, when did your Castillian ancestry migrated to Catalonia?
Hollawar Stop lying
Of course subtitles are manipulated.
The man who said that "secesion is not good for Spain" is false. He said that is not good for Cataluña.
Despidan a su traductor jajajaja
Lee bien. Los subtitulos dicen que no es una buena idea independizarse de españa. Nunca dicen que sea malo para españa. Te quejas y ni leer sabes
El que no sabe traducir eres tú.
The effort on doing this video 'the right way' is something you can tell when watching and appreciate a lot. This issue is probably the topic that concerns most people in the whole country, it is something important in Spain. Every broadcast around Spain and political situation done right helps a lot. It is just a pity that such a great and relevant communication channel like this, in the effort of doing their job right, has built the story with an unbalanced bias opinion. This political disagreement is a match between a very noisy little group and the rest of spanish people. Anyway, Great channel! keep on the good job!
This is really poorly explained
Estoy de acuerdo, yo vivo en cataluña y explican todo como si los independentistas fueran la victima y eso no es verdad( aunque algunos indepes tambien sufren)
Educate us plz
Tal cual...
Or maybe u mean its not explained as "U Want It"?!?😀.
@@huuuphuuup6312 No, it really is poorly explained, and I'm surprised VOX hasn't published an updated piece.
I thought Basque have more differences to Spain than Catalonia?
And if tax is the problem, imagine this.. Do you want metropolitan city seperate from farmland just because farmland pay tax less than metropolitan city?
they have but all are similar to the rest of spain.
Ronald Actually basque culture is much different to per say Andalusian
Basques indeed have more differences with rest of the Spanish regions than Catalonia. However, in both cases, other closeby regions such as Valencia, or the eastern part of Aragón, in the case of Catalonia, and Navarre, and northeastern Castille for the Basques, specific culture, traditions and personalities are quite similar. Moreover, these autonomous communities share a number of common factors with the rest of the Spanish population, not only language, but traditions, personality and a common heritage. Hence, all the Spanish regions share something from our common history, although each has its own particular traditions, foods and landscapes, we all have been sharing country for 500 years in harmony, and only now, for the personal interests of politicians, who initially created this movement in 2013 to cover up the corruption scandal of the Pujol family, this division has been present. Hope the current situation and the history behind it is now clearer.
@@sergioarbesu5347 they're in the occitan language family actually
EXACTLY!!!
I'm from Barcelona and I'm SO fed up with the independence movement. The separatists have polarized the society and made a huge ammount of people feel like they are strangers in their own home. Half of the population here is afraid to speak out because of how irrational the separatists have become. Its a sad situation in which the ones who want to overcome a greedy romantic nationalism are generally overrided by being ilogically called opressors or fascists (??). I have friends all over Spain and really saddens me to have to feel like a criminal just because I want to keep belonging together.
I hope everything is well now in Barcelona, i hardly hear any bad news from that beautiful region lately, accept FC Barca 😂😂
>Independence
>8 Seconds later.
>Catolonia: “We have to appologize!...”
hahaha you dont understant this
@@rogergrau881 he understands better than you do. Saludos.
That's even the same as the riots happening in Hong Kong ,China
So right they leave and they come crying back to Spain 😭separatist tears😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
They did this searching for dialoge but they only got the prision and repression
With this mindset India would have been 29 different countries but we stay Indians and belief that diversity leads to prosperity
Santosh Moopanar a strong united nation can stand better against corporations .
Talion shut up
Talion I'm dead 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bo Rz Lol yall are pathetic.
I think the big difference is that India has a federalist government, which gives considerably more power to each of the states over their own internal affairs. Although Spain has devolved some powers to Catalonia, they still feel like they don't have adequate control over their own economy.
I agree with you that a strong, unified country is better for everyone, but I think that if Spain wants to quell separatist sentiment in Catalonia, they need to give them more power on how their tax dollars are spent.
Congratulations, I'm from Spain, this video explains really well the situation. Although there's some information missing, this is the most objective explanation from a foreign media channel I've seen so far.
I'm Spanish but I'm not Catalan, nor do I want Catalonia to be independent from Spain (for various reasons). But you cannot deny that Catalunya feels like a different country. Not only is the language completely different, but the food, traditions, holidays, culture in general is so different that you cannot compare it to Spain. One of my friends from Sweden was telling me how she went to Spain for Christmas and did traditional ''Spanish'' things like ''caga tió'' and ate ''sopa de galets'' and ''butifarra d'ou'', and i'm 100% sure that if you go outside of Catalonia, other spaniards will have 0 idea what she was talking about.
So what? Do we want states culturally and ethnically clean now? There are plenty of countries where multiculturalism is accepted, where different languages and lifestyles live together in harmony and tolerance. Spain is made from different cultures and identities, like many other countries, and that is desirable and sane way to live in democracy. Intolerants want to rise walls, to divide by ethnicities. Let that not happen in Europe again.
@@herodess you're a hypocrite if you think Spain respects multiple cultures. Parties like PP, Cs and VOX are literally trying to ban Catalan from schools. In Menorca (my island) they're trying to remove the right to be seen by a doctor in catalan, our language. They want a Spain with Madrid in the middle, where no territories have a say. And they're achieving it, at least in the Balearic islands.
@@1987Marineta That's what you'd like. You'd love seeing Vox ruling the country so you could play the victim once more. But bad news for you, the left will rule the country, your rights will be respected and you'll have no reason to complaint.
And please, stop lying, no one, not even the most radicals, want to ban Catalan (mallorquín). They just don't want it to be mandatory, which is quite different.
Language completelly different??? OMG!
And if you go to Galicia, you'll know waht are "filloas de sangre", and if you go to Andalussia you'll eat "salmorejo", or in Basque lands "marmitako", or Extremadura "migas", or in Castilla "sopa de ajo", or in Canarias "mojo picòn", or in Madrid "gallinejas", or...
My God, THAT MEANS D I V E R S I T Y.
Not only Catalonia is diverse...
Welcome to Spain!!
Catalonia is not special, that's only POLITICS.
Such an amazing video, finally giving a clear overview of the real issue. The topic was taught in school but only by the means of the articles mentioned in the video by which we were supposed to derive the entire problematic. Moreover gonna have an oral exam about it, thanks for clarifying.
Quebec is similar here in Canada, but with less hostility.
They will declare their independence and then apologize. The government will declare illegal the independence and then apologize too :D
Matt Johnston Canadians are known for not standing up for themselves
The Don no, we stand up for ourselves, it's just not the spectacle that others make sometimes.
Quebec's culture is very distinct from the rest of Canada; however, they receive the highest amount of the Equalization Payments($22.7 billion this year [1]), and thus would likely be unable to support themselves as a nation. Both legal referendums have been 'No' to separation is the past, and as recent as 2016, most Quebecois were against separation[2]
1 www.fin.gc.ca/fedprov/mtp-eng.asp
2 www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-angus-reid-canada-indepdence-1.3788110
Matt Johnston Quebecoise would be the biggest morons in the Americas if they split. The rest of Canada has literally made French one of the official languages across the entire nation to placate them, and Canada's biggest political dynasty are Quebecoise. Why they hell they think they are so different and more special than other Canadians is beyond me.
You didn't need 5 mins to explain this. It's simply that rich people hate paying taxes.
Its not jus that, Is more complicated
IrelandVonVicious sure, maybe they forgot a lot of things like the fact that the Spanish government wanted to diminish catalan at schools. That the investment in road is a joke. That according to a former Spanish minister they had to make catalan kids more Spanish. Maybe they forgot that we passed rules to fight against energy poverty and the central government make them unconstitutional. And so on. So do not oversimplify the things. And do not forgot that Spain is ruled by culturally incompetent politician that are the less prepared of our society. They are there just because of money and future positions in enterprises.
@@Celulinscienceforeveryone you're lucky. In France they never allowed Catalan or Basque schools. Only French.
You don't know what you are talking about. Look who is making the video: VOX... if you like fascism, allright!
@@jeanbethencourt1506 beacause of Napoleon, if you are proud help yourself.
Having said that, it is such a complex matter that it would need not only updating but a more in-depth approach to show the whole picture.
Love how objective this video was. Thank you.
So when Spain was rich nobody wanted indepencence and now everyone is like "we have a different culture a different language bla bla bla..
Carlos Sánchez yes , that is how miserable human being are . I like you as long as I can profit from you , once you stop benefiting me I don’t want anything to do with you . Catalonia is a goldigga.
Just wait when all those multinational companies went to Madrid and fired all the workers in Barcelona. Only then, they would realize they are not exactly 'rich'. Unless they have their own natural resources, they have nothing to trade.
Just wait when all those multinational companies went to Madrid and fired all the workers in Barcelona. Only then, they would realize they are not exactly 'rich'. Unless they have their own natural resources, they have nothing to trade.
Carlos Sánchez Shut up spaniard, watch the video and learn something
We have wanted to leave since 1714 in one way or another and during this time Spain has never been rich ass it lost all its colonies during this time then the republic the end and the beginning of the fascist rule of Franco which slowed the development of Spain.
You forgot to say that people voted as many times as they wanted
yea
That is completely false
That is the absolute truth, and couldn't be the other way around as there was no control www.elconfidencial.com/espana/cataluna/2017-10-01/irregularidades-votaciones-referendum-cataluna_1453255/
SrAntonio so on December 21st people also voted many times? Since there were more indeoendentist votes then than on Oct 1st.
The media in Spain is controlled by the government.
In a nutshell: Catalonia earns more money than any other part of Spain, but Catalonia has to pay to the other parts of Spain to keep them functioning well. Catalonia obviously does not like this because they want to use their money for themselves and become independent as they already have their own language. Catalonia won’t be able to become independent, it just can’t happen, Without Catalonia, Spain will be critical.
Catalonia for Spain reminds me how Chechnya being ruled by Russia, albeit with a more democratic facade.
Madrid makes way more money
Yeap have you guys studied Spanish History 101? Do you know why Catalonia (well, basically Barcelona) has a more solid industrial network than other regions in Spain? Isnt this a common feature of nations tho? California in US, Milan in Italy, London in UK, etc.
Breaking down a country's self determination to a financial situation its not what's this all about. Catalans would trade the better finances for a fully independant state imo.
@@jfarinhote first, they wouldn't but, paradoxically, they actually are right now. Secondly, there cannot be self-determination for a territory that has never been a country.
Before Franco, the catalonian people tried to be independent and the second Republic sent the army and finished the independence. It was not only Franco.
What a lie 😂
Study a bit before talking!
@@dpcss1009 Is true what he said
@@edumorera7427 No, it's not. Looks like here's someone else who haven't studied. It's true that Catalonia proclamed itself as a Republic of the Federal States of Iberia, but then the Spanish government had to discuss about it with Catalonia, obviously Catalonia didn't get the independence while the second republic, but they never sent the army to Catalonia when that happened, by the way, by that time Francesc Macià was the president of the Catalan government.
@@dpcss1009 I know that they didn't send an army, but they sent the police and sent the separatist leaders to prison
@@edumorera7427 No lol, that's totally false, I mean wth, where have you read that they went to prison??
The problem is that Catalonia isn't the only region that suffered under Franco. They weren't the only ones who lost their people in opresion not they people who fought him. They are bordering the richer France which already would make your economy stronger. And the democratic Spanish government always had proeconomic laws making sure their economy stayed strong. Yes they do have a distinctive language but so did other regions of Spain. Why would they want to alienate themselves? ...
Xaverius 1 Because they do, isn't that what country's independence is all about?
I think being too close to French people affected them
Josué Barrientos vive la revolution
Xaverius 1 I'm a Galician Communist (Galicia has been much more opressed), and the problem is much more compressed. I am against independentism and support the union with Portugal for socialism, that being said, the movement not only comes from nationalism but also because the central government is filled with corruption and francoist manners.
Thank you finally someone understands, people make out that they were only suppressed and not others like pais vasco or galicia
Last time I was this early Spain was under umayyad rule
Last time I was this early Spain was under Carthage rule
Last time saw this early most of Spaniards are Celts
Last time I was this early, Spain was composed of Basques and Aquitanians.
Last time I was this early king alfanso is still alive(learn that from CK2)
Last time I was there, Dinosaurs still alive. Nice to meet all of my ancient alien brothers
Last time I was this early Spain was ruled from Marrakesh
We kicked them out
That never happen... it was the Umayyad caliphate, with capital in Damascus, then in Spain.. Actually, actual Morocco was also conquered by the Umayyad caliphate 🤣
No it was not, it was ruled from Cordova
I was there last year on Sep 11 independence day, it was incredibly fun. Came to Barcelonas Festa Major de Gràcia and left a day after independence day. Pretty cool since I had no idea and didnt plan it out
September 11th is not exactly independence day (since Catalonia has never been independent), but the day Barcelona got re-conquered by Spains new monarchy in the 1700 war. It's actually something that people who support Catalonian independence shouldn't cherish. This
Irony that richer people are demanding better life!
We are not all rich. I'm from there.
@Almogàver el catalan esta reconocido como uno de los idiomas oficiales dentro la constitución española, en Francia el francés es el único idioma reconocido, ustedes solo quieren sentirse ofendidos por cualquier tontería
@Almogàver por lo que yo veo los catalan que quieren independencia solamente lo quieren por no pagar impuestos lol
@Almogàver no es lo que digo. simplemente no veo la ventaja de seperarse de espana y de la union europea si no por el no querer pagar impuestos (o pagar menos impuestos). Son muy ricos en catalonia y los pobres dependen de ustedes. La gente pobre por lo general no se quiere separar en comparacion con los ricos. No es una locura pensar que los ricos de catalonia simplemente son codicios
@Almogàver no soy de espana y no se como es el sistema de impuestos en tu pais pero me imagino que la gente pobre pagaria menos impuestos que la gente rica. Como pais yo pensaria que es su deber mantener a la gente que es menos fortunada. Por eso me imagino que la gente pobre en catalonia no quiere irse de espana. Me enfoco mucho por el dinero porque no veo una razon por la cual catalonia se quiera librar de espana. Si mo lo quieres explicar, me gustaria escuchar.
this video literally was posted the day I was given a project about this topic and it helps a lot thanks @Vox
How'd you fare with the project?
@@gaming10701 ^^
The classic question of what defines nationality. We here in europe seem to think that a language or a difference in culture is justification for independence but the rest of the world disagrees.
I’m from of Barcelona! Spain is not a dictationship! Catalonia is an autonomist region with more develop powers than Scotland o Quebec! The nacionalist are crazy. Much people in Catalonia feel spanish! Television manipulates people! 🇪🇸🇪🇸
Pero que me estás contando... Si pones Antena3, Telecinco, La Sexta etc.. Sacan imágenes de un grupo de gente con esteladas y prácticamente te dicen que són un comando de eta.
No hay televisiones mas manipuladas que las de España y por eso en dicho país reina el catetismo, Catalunya vive en el siglo XXI y España en la edad media.
@@dosescopetastengo6581 no se, yo apenas go los temas de last esteladas(a lo mucho copaban 1 espacio del telediario cuando hacían mucho ruido) por los telediarios
I found the territory size/economic output analysis very poor. This kind of measure could be misleading for the viewers of this video. Cities usually work as economic motors of the nations meanwhile rural areas are usually less wealthy. The region known as Île-de-France accounts just for the 2% of France total territory but it contributes for more than 25% of the national GDP. Does it mean they are working more than the rest? Do they deserve a larger piece of cake than the rest of the country?
The graphic shown in this video tries to insinuate that Catalunya is traited unfairly in the Spanish tax distribution but there is no any firm evidence about that opinion other that the total territory of Catalonia in comparisok to its economic output.
www.elperiodico.com/es/politica/20170713/catalunya-tercera-comunidad-en-aportar-y-decima-en-el-reparto-de-inversiones-6165691
"The graphic shown in this video tries to insinuate that Catalunya is treated unfairly in the Spanish tax distribution" thank you! I've seen this argument everywhere, it seems like they fail to understand how the economic works in a nation as a whole.
I wholeheartedly agree here, felt a little biased and not transparent at all.
I noticed that as well and thought that it was an odd comparison. I then looked up the populations of Catalonia and Spain. 7522 thousand vs 46468 thousand. That means 16% of the Spanish population live in Catalonia, while they pay 21% of the taxes. Sure, it's not 1 to 1, but it sure as hell is a lot closer than 6% vs 21%.
At the very least, a comparison of populations would be a better indicator of whether or not a particular region is over-paying in taxes. According to my calculations, Catalonia represents about 16% of the population of Spain, so the amount of taxes they pay, while perhaps a little higher than would be expected, is not totally unreasonable.
Thank you guys for trying to be objective in this video. There is a lot of missing information, but I understand it's hard to talk about this very complex issue in a 5 min video.
I'm spanish, although I live in the US at the moment. To me, this issue has shown a bigger problem. And that is the blind trust people have in their political leaders. Catalonian independist have used the strong nationalist sentiment of the region to win power. Even blending multiple very different parties in order to rule, with the sole common objective of achieving independence. And the way it's been handled by everyone is extremely irresponsible.
Something that most news outlets don't talk about is that Catalonia is one of richest regions of Spain, because it's part of Spain and the European Union. 80% of goods produced in Catalonia are sold in Spain. Catalonians should be the first ones to try to gain independence (if that's what they really want) the right way. And never impose it, which is what is happening. They are the ones to lose from this.
Most independist only see what their independist leaders want to show them, the fact that they pay more money than other parts of Spain, but that happens everywhere in the world, the richest regions pay more taxes everywhere. That doesn't mean that 'someone is stealing your money' that just means your region is richer, not because Catalans are better than everyone else, but because they benefit from the commerce with everyone else. Without Spain, and with no support from any other country in the EU, Catalonia would have a very hard time maintaining their actual status.
+Santiago Ferrari, a lo mejor si nos dedicaramos a hacer comentarios largos y con fundamento y a no creernos que los problemas políticos se puedan resolver con chistes en twitter, las cosas irían mejor.
I agree with almost everything you say, independence would probably be catastrophic for Catalonia. But you also say they should try to gain independence 'the right way'. What is the right way in this scenario? This referendum was of course nonsense, because lots of anti-independence people didn't vote and there was no real debate teaching people the consequences. The courts won't allow them to hold an actual referendum, so that couldn't happen anyways. What are they supposed to do if they can't debate it and vote on it. To make it fully legal the Spanish constitution should be changed, which Spain will never do. So what should Catalans who want to gain independence 'the right way' do?
Independist fucktards think they are better than everyone else.
NewsfromNY western hypocrisy at its finest, you love to support indepedence movements abroad but when its happens on your shores all of a sudden those poor 'misunderstood' rebels turn into right wing nationalist supremacists. Democracy everywhere except not when its convenient
@NewsFromNY That is why Spain should make an agreement: Catalonia will be treated as its own nation for a trial period. During this period, if they are not able to maintain their "nation," they will immediately become part of Spain again.
Why y'all acting like catalans are opressed or sum
exactly
Yes
Looks like British divide and conquer strategy still alive and well.
That was a roman strategy first used by Julius Caesar spastic
@@user-vm4wx8eb4s That was to win wars. Britain used it whenever they lost colonies to ensure civil war. Spastic
@@dd1607 not to ensure civil wars but to rule the colonies by not letting them to unite.
So only the well-off citizens of Catalonia want to leave while the poorer ones want to stay. Why is that exactly?
Because they don't want to pay for poor I guess. Idk.
Existence Defies Logic The well-off citizens pay higher taxes than the poorer citizens. The issue here is that those who pay taxes feel like they are being robbed, as they don't see that money being invested on their region but on poorer regions of Spain. They want independence because they feel that the government is not fair when it comes to distributing tax money across the country. This argument has been going on for decades and, because of that, in Spain we have the stereotype that Catalans are greedy.
Well isn't the definition of a nation is a strong and unified group of people in order to support each other out ?
Alejandro Velázquez Ummm....thay is literally how taxes work in every progressive nation. The richer parts subsidizes the poorer.
3a9lani You are absolutely right, but they don't seem to understand it.
First, thanks for the explanation. Splitting off from Spain would be bad for Catalonia - it is increasingly harder in the current world for a small geographical unit to be as successful for a larger one.
who are u to tell people what they can or can't do?
@@jaisbrennan7696 Philip Frandsen
@@jaisbrennan7696 Literally he has only say that it would be bad not "no you cant do it" so at least awnser what he is saying
except if you are a tax haven, maybe lol
who needs success when you have freedom, autonomy, and equality?
You forgot to mention that Cataluña has the best universities, highest industrialization, lowest unemployment, and wealthiest middle class of all of Spain. The Spanish government's response was harsh, but that doesn't make the Catalan's reasons for independence ridiculous.
and who gave them those things? The Spanish government since the XIX century. The problem here is that we forget history. The independence movement claims to be based o history , but thats very far from reality. It's just a nationalistic political movement that, as most of these type of movements, want to seem well-researched and funded.
Not true- basque country and madrid long overtook you guys, valencia will be hot on your heels and sion Andalucia. Complete miss management by independence driven fanatics who would happily sacrifice jobs wealth and future prospects just so they can take power and dictate
@@PSTorres Who extracted and still does the wealth of Catalonia? The Spanish government
@@vulc1 Okay, so you basically want to get rich no matter the others stay poor. What a great argument for independence. We all have to pay our taxes according to what we make and produce, this is not a Hunger Games film. And who has stolen most of Catalonia's money to citizens? The so-called Separatist leaders, like Pujol.
@@PSTorres The argument for independence is that Catalans are a different nation from the Spanish and thus have a right to self-determination. Self-determination is protected in the United Nations Charter and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
Do one on South Tyrol, the German speaking part of Italy in the Alps. I would be very interested to find out more about this region in which borders had been re-drawn in 1918!
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The whole thing is over already... Catalonia's leaders escaped from Spain. Really shows you how tough they are eh?
Vox has a written news website called www.vox.com where they reported on Catalan weeks ago. These shitposters man
Don't rush them. Their slick video editing is half the reason I watch this channel
Dennis Chan It's more on a hiatus than being over
offchance I have been looking into the Catalan problem for the last 7 years, and it's only that short because I was 13 when I started (also, earthquakes...). It's been a problem for quite a while. It feels like the world is only just waking up to it.
Dennis Chan You say this like someone who doesn't know much about it. One of the original leaders of this movement within the politics of Catalonia was already gone a couple of years ago. This referendum they talk about, it's their second attempt at it (also, they did make a song and dance about the local elections basicly being one). A large portion of the leaders are actually arrested, and some are coming back to be arrested. This is not over yet, this is far from it.
One of the richest regions playing the victim. They are not more productive because they work harder, the central government has always protected Catalonia's industry and economy, just like France protects Rhône-Alpes, Germany protects Baden-Württemberg and Italy protects Lombardía. These regions are supposed to support poorer regions, but Catalonia has always been selfish. Luckily, almost 3000 companies have moved out of Catalonia since the "declaration of independence," this will benefit other regions like Valencia, Aragon and Navarra.
Funke Motor Did your magical government support Catalonia when it was an anarchist state and it was the richest region because its economy was controlled by the peasents and workers?
As a Catalonia citizen I can say with no doubt about it that you're wrong. Catalonia has never been selfish, we love helpping the poorer regions. The problem is that the amount of money that we donate to the spanish goverment every year only return the 40% of it. We are the region of Spain that donates more and recive less, but this is not the main issue, we can live with it.
But what we can't stand is that Spain doesn't allow us to do a democratic referendum and decide ourselves the future of Catalonia. In my point of view is the main problem.
@catalunya life, Mam\Sir, Think for a moment. What happens when you catalan people get filthy rich and with best infrastructure and other materialistic things, but your neighbors fight poverty, it will lead to chaos, violence, revolution and everyone will pay price(including catalans, rest of Spain, Europe and in some case entire world). So, try to negotiate but in a peaceful-friendly manner because even an independent-autonomous states needs a peaceful-prosperous neighbor.
PS: we are already suffering from our failed state neighbor.
Catalunya Life Insert Tabarnia here. Just as i wouldn't Support Kosovo Independence because of Srpska seceeding from Bosnia and Herzegovina Back to Serbia, I would not Support Catalonia because of Tabarnia.
Funke Motor freedom 4 political prisioners!! Freedom 4 Catalunya!
Catalonia is Spain from Serbia !
Islander Local Spain supports Serbia over kosovo so we support Spain over Cataloina 🇪🇸🇷🇸💖💖
Islander Local As I said they support us.
why do sebrs always do this man, you lsot a wara against a country the size of montenegro
Catalonia is in Spain, but Kosovo is not in Serbia :)
Yeah, storically and ethnically they are spanish, It has never been an independent state, separatists are actually traitors, no way
It would have been interesting if you analyzed how this movement connects to other movements of nationalism in Europe, and how it divides along party lines. This was too shallow in my mind.
And now it’s racist to be a nationalist
was waiting for this video thank you, i liked your explanation. The thing is that i have lived in catalonia for 15 years, and its hard to explain to someone the problem, because it not the same, i lived that situation myself. I liked the video because it is easy to understand for people that are not from catalonia.
A bit sided but well explained overall. As spanish I respect catalan cultural idenity but I don't think independence will benefit no spaniards or catalans (economically will be terrible for both sides). I find it more like an excuse some politicians have created to distract catalans from regional corruption. I hope will end up finding a solution.
waterglass21 thanks for the respect! It is not something politicians created (it actually started in the streets!), and I wish there could’be been a peaceful debate and a peaceful referendum. It was an easy-to-solve political problem, and yet, the police was used against unarmed people who just wanted to vote. That changed it all.
Considering that EU is an integrated economy,an independent Catalonia is not bad for Catalonians. But, bad for Spain as it will lose itz prosperous region. Both sides should restrain from violence.
But, i must say Spain will not give up easy. Only way to turn opinion in favour of Catalonians is peaceful resistance !
But Catalonia without Spain will be not enabled to join the EU.
Do you know Pujol the politician?
If you have more taxes is because Generalitat puts them higher than Madrid's government for example.
You wanna know what its unfair treat...take a look:elpais.com/economia/2017/09/07/actualidad/1504799988_582658.html
Please don't spread disinformation.
"Catalan is a different culture"... So is Basque, Galician, Andalusian, Asturian, etc.
It's all Spain, that's the entire point of Spain.. THERE ISN'T ONE SINGLE CULTURE, it's made up of a bunch of different peoples/cultures that came together to create 'Spain'.
It's like literally any country, Southern USA is QUITE different from Northern States when it comes to culture... They're still all American and it's all American Culture.
Yes, but we all speak English. Spain has a lot of regional languages that were supressed by the central government and what we call “Spanish” was forced down to the regions and a national identity was fabricated where it hadn’t been before. USA has came to be after nationalism became a thing, so our national identity was organic, but in Europe it’s a new thing relative to how long the cultures have existed. Pretty much every country over there has different regions with different languages and cultures, which is even crazier when you remember how much smaller each country is than the USA all together. The 50 states all chose to be together, while Catalonia was on the losing side of a civil war against Nationalists.
@@ciroguerra-lara6747 Most of what you said is true, but most if not all indigenous people here speak English.
Well said 🇪🇦👍🏻
@@regularamerican6034 Spain as a whole was a nation way before America was discovered. Organic? What do you mean? USA was created by murdering native Americans and forcing English to immigrants coming from everywhere. I mean this is the funniest comment I've read in months. Catalonia has been an integral part of Spain way before the British ever set foot in American territory.
The diversity of cultures is down to a longer history compared to the US and a lack of homogenization done the French Jacobin way.
"There isn't one single culture!!!"
Two words for ya: *The Balkans.*
I read this as California and was heavily confused.
I hate this recent increase of nationalism everywhere.
They uses to be a nation in the 15 centary they just want it back.
aaron Salentine wtf?? They never were a country
@@asdfg8899 yes they were there own country look up the kingdom of Argona if i am spelling that right. The Kingdom of Argona mergered with spain due to fuedulism in the 15 centuary. This is there origin. They have there own language, culture and everything is seprate from spain. Though out history , the catalans have tired to separate from spain 3 times in there history including right now. I learned this in a history course on Catalona and spain at my university.
You don't know what you are talking about. Look who is making the video: VOX... if you like fascism, allright! You should worry more about the spanish nacionalism, not the catalan.
Anna A N JAJAJAJAJJAJA YOU IDIOT, this is a periodistic channel, nothinh close to VOX political party
All this is driven by economic selfishness. The lack of solidarity with other less rich regions of Spain.
Excuse me?
I’m spanish, and I can tell you that spain is VERY solidaric with the poorer regions. I live in the balearic islands, and we get a lot of money from turism. We pay a quiet high amount of taxes, and then we only get like 75% back, wich is a lot less than in catalonia. In poorer regions like Extremadura they get more than they give. I don’t know where you are from, but your country is probably less solidaric between regions
@@oscarkronborg7176 He's not saying spanish lack solidarity. He's just saying that independence movements are driven by economic selfishness.
themailman43 that’s not true. There are t2 main independentist parties in catalonia: esquerra republicana and PdeCat.
PdeCat is right wing liberalism, and esquerra republicana is left wing.
poyorudo and so? It’s their right
@@oscarkronborg7176 The guy was clearly talking about the Catholic movements being driven by greed.
Tus videos son realmente agradables. Son muy informativos.
Barcelona is located in Baix Llobregat?😂 I didn't know that...
This video was accurate 2 months ago, but looking at the december 21st election, the vote is a lot closer. Also, there is no denying that separation would destroy both economies.
I'm trying to keep an open mind here, but Catalonia agreed to the same constitution as the rest of Spain. If they wanted independence, they should have done it 40 years ago instead of adopting the constitution. They had their chance in 1978 and they threw it away.
Wrong they agreed under pression of a new civil war,the constitution was made by the army.
Krakaroth the constitution was made by the army under pressure??? WTF WHAT HISTORY BOOK DID YOU READ LOL
You don't know what you are talking about. Look who is making the video: VOX... if you like fascism, allright! The constitution was voted in extrem worring situation, after a super long dictatorship. People had fear. Never forget that Franco died cause he got old.
@@Annahappychristmas Vox es un medio (estadounidense) internacional (muy) de izquierdas. www.vox.com/
40 years ago people was beeing killed by police and fear was total. don' be naive to belive a dictature just disappears easily by it's own, just becasuse Franco became old and die! and all of the sudden people is totally free, and silly not to make independence right away.
While watching this, I understood every single word that was shown and spoken in Spanish, even though I'm from the US and so are both of my parents. I'm bilingual and biliterate in English and Spanish, and I'm hoping to become an immigration lawyer when I'm older :)
Remember when this was a thing.
This is so stupid. IF they were opressed, IF they were robbed, they had a point. But these are just toddlers who get the biggest slice of cake and are crying that they have to give a smal part of that to someone else.
If every wealthy region should split from the rest of the country California, Texas and New york should leave the US since they are 30% of the GDP.
If you think "that sound dumb" i agree, i live in one of those wealthy region (north italy) and i cringe every time i hear a party talking about independence here.
Francesco I wonder if they understand how arrogant they sound to the rest of the country
I thought independence didn't sound so bad for Catalonia. Everyone kept talking about how they were being mistreated, paying too much etc. Then I heard it was one of the wealthier regions, and now I laugh.
Francesco Well, I now slowly feel how the Germans are feeling. We're very rich over here while the rest of Germany isn't getting a eurocent of it. Still a lot of Germans consider the Netherlands to be part of Germany just as Austria. However, this country once was part of Spain too and we left it for roughly the same reasons as the Catalonians are doing now (paying too much taxes to Madrid).
Francesco california & Texas is different from the situation in Spain bro. Like night and day
The US decided it was illegal to split, and then we fought a war over it. 150+ years later, I'm curious what we learned.
I am an instinctive unionist. Be it with the countries that comprise the UK or the EU, union is often best.
However, Catalonia has managed to keep its language, despite the brutal suppression of Franco.
The Catalans deserve to be treated with respect and understanding.
And they are treated in that way. I don’t know why do you say that.
The video literally showed that the Spanish Constitution allowed and respected the region of Catalonia for its own culture. What else could be done?
If these things are allowed then there won't be nation's only small states
And that's a problem because...?
Sounds like a good thing to me, in all honesty.
Yay I suggested this on the suggestion video
Suggest next video about DNC collusion against Bernie Sanders, and Donna brazille new book
Catalan Independence resembles a lot more brexit than the Kurdistan situation. It's a rich place that benefits a lot from their current associations, but don't want the cost of helping the union as a whole. If Catalonia leaves, they should not be accepted in the EU, then they'll know about taxes.
except the eu sells more to the uk than the uk sells to the eu. and the amount the uk sells to the eu shrinks year after year. uk has a commonwealth it can make new trade deals and lessen eu dependency. catalonia on the other hand solely depends on eu and spain
error2k2 "the eu sells more to the uk than the uk sells to the eu" I find that very hard to believe.
Even in the unlikely scenario where that is true, without the access to eu market, many companies will take their headquarters from the UK to avoid losing this market. That would not be good for UK's economy and would decrease tax revenue.
This is a problems because catalonia wants stay in Europe
Plus we have been hated as much as they've wanted. I've seen this with my eyes in other parts of Spain. They bombed us, tried to extinguish our language, killed our democratic president Companys, beating us for a fake referendum, call us indoctrinators, you wouldn't understand but we are brave people we say not anymore
Yeah better keep the spanish pro africa in...No wonder why Europe is dead...
Why spain does not want catalonia independent:
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What the liga Will look?🤔🤔🤔
Spain doesn't have to decide that, Spain is that.
All minorities across the world feel helplesness about their causes, is the real face of democracy. And separatists are not a clear majority neither in Catalonia.
Yes we are a majority.
All those Separatist Movements make no real sense neither would anyone benefit from it.
Every Region from a Nation has its own culture and more or less differences in their language. But thats no reason to split because the ethnic similarities are bigger than the differences. Its like we here in Frankonia would split from Bavaria after Bavaria split from Germany. The two Germanic States of Germany and Austria are also complette nonsense because we are the same ethnic people, speak the same language, share the same cultur and history - so we should unite our people in one state to grow stronger and to repressent the interests of the whole German people.
Alexander Nevsky Austria Is Catholic
people usually want to split because the country they're part of isn't allowing them their own culture. I don't know if this is true in Catalonia but it's true for Scotland, Wales, Ireland and Cornwall in Britain.
the English government (unbeknown-st to ordinary English people) have made every effort to destroy our cultures for the past few hundred years.
I think Germans already tried that some time ago. It didn’t really work out.
@@CocoaHerBeansness Give me a break, hate England for things that happened in the past does not make sense at all.
@@babiecathegreat163 So is Bavaria, but they are a still part of Germany. Reason why Austria cannot rejoin Germany is because a treaty signed with the Allies after WW2.
I live in Barcelona, Catalonia's capital.
Although it is a simplification of the crisis (it's hard to condense all the info in a 5 minute video), it was well made. It showed both opinions critically and objectively, something that is becoming hard for Spanish and Catalan press as the conflict escalates. Although it is not up to date (independence was declared on Friday the 27th of October, the Spanish government approved the constitutional amendment that has temporarily suspended the autonomy of Catalonia on that same day, using that same amendment the Spanish president has called for elections on December and half of the former Catalan government is now in prison, with it's president in Belgium to avoid justice) it's a nice summary for people who don't know about the crisis and want to have some information about it.
Also, and this is an important mistake, pro-independence people are not a minority: we just don't know which opinion has the majority yet, although it is close to 50/50. Hopefully the December elections will clear things up a bit.
I proposed this topic when you asked the audience what did they want to see, so thanks a lot for making this video. I really enjoy your content.
*Now THIS guy. Best comment by far.*
Salut desde Girona.
And many Catalonians would agree that you can be catalonian and spanish - but when Rayol decided to set the foot and send the police upon voters, instead of starting a debate about the real problems and rifts (taxes, identity and culture) using the referendum as basis, he soured the situation to the point of mutual deafness.
Totally agree. Both sides have made a terrible job at trying to talk and hearing each other. In my opinion this has been the worts of all, which has led us to this extreme and has divided and polarized the society heavily, burying all the nuances in people's opinion under the two-block perspective. Problems are solved by talking, listening and by having healthy respectful debates.
Jamoncito hi! I don't know much about this conflict am just researching it online. However, going by this video its really easy to see its just about money. Catalans don't want to share/carry the poorer neighbours. Will the central government allow 20% of their source of taxes to leave? Haha no way...even I would never agree to that if I were the central government.
Trust me, if only it were about money, it would be much easier to solve... The conflict goes much deeper than that. The good thing is that things have calmed down, and we are going to elections next December 21st, which hopefully will clear things up a bit. Thanks for your comment!
Catalonia is spain and it will always be like this😃
Greetings From Turkey
You always say that because you don't want the Kurds to finally liberate their lands
@@gamermapper yeaahh , problem???
Support for unified Spain!
It is a beautiful country!
Beautiful for the tourists. Poor in almost every way
@@disbauxa maybe poor materially, but rich in human spirit
@Red Fox yes it is. U dont realize until u live here. Politicians are very very bad and are influential on people. Catalonia needs independence for his health
@Red Fox Majority of the Catalns want Independence, 52%. It's not enough but it is the majority. Most of those who do not want independence are outsiders. Have a good day too
@Red Fox the rest of Spain is piggybacking on the wealth of Catalan, it's riches must go directly to it's own people. They have a different language, culture and history. Every nation has the right of self determination, it is Catalan's choice to decide upon their political future not Spain's undemocratic authoritarianism.
Catalonia isn't even that rich in comparison anymore. Madrid the Basque Country and Navarre all have higher GDP than Catalonia. So everyone stop saying that it's the rich region that doesn't want to have to pay taxes to help the poorer ones.
To Pump A Butterfly gtfo Barcelona is historically than shitty Franco Madrid.
can't we all just get along
No, pacifism doesn't work.
@@Nordisk11 Finally, a person that understands humanity
Best reply ever! Can't we just all get along! 👏👍🙏😄😊😇
why do we have to fight?
why not just accept you're wrong and admit that i was right?
unfortunately, that's not how humans function.
Catalonia is Spain
Nah...
i can't tell the difference between spain and catalonia
I read this as “California’s independece movement, explained”
Wondering if something similar may one day happen with Québec...
Maybe
hope so
Whose independence wants the guy at the beggining? Weird... his English accent doesn't feel Spanish/Catalan at all... I don't think he's a native.
he is a native
Just because you think about it doesn't mean that it isn't, he is
When club rivalries got so heated that the entire region demanded independence!!
Madre mía, como catalana me da vergüenza ajena escuchar a una mujer diciendo que en Cataluña tenemos una cultura muy diferente.
Yasmine Gomez somos muchos más
Pues ese apellido muy catalan no es
Escucha a los de Vox mejor a ver si te averguenzas o no...
I like the content of this channel (mostly), but I hate the "under 10 minutes" format. I feel like these videos would benefit greatly from being longer, because that would allow for a more in-depth coverage of a subject discussed in the video since many of the topics and issues you're covering are rather complex and warrant more time dedicated to them. I understand you're trying to play a youtube game optimising the length of your videos in order to make them more profitable, but I fell like you're very much limiting yourself by doing that.
decentralization. this is the way
Surprising coming from Vox, but so many key details were left out of this video that people may have a completely different opinion on this issue if they heard them.