*Saltburn* is NOT shocking (to Rizzo)...
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Reaction Commentary to "Saltburn" (2023) starring Barry Keoghan, Jacob Elordi, Rosamund Pike, Archie Madekwe, Alison Oliver, Carey Mulligan, Richard E. Grant || Directed by Emerald Fennell
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4:55 People don't talk about this enough. The bike wasn't even broken, just a flat tire. This rich dude caved at the mildest inconvenience and decided to be late to class. In reality, there is a bike shop 4 minutes away from the campus, he could have bought a new bike in minutes. Oliver had found the perfect guy to manipulate, and pretending to be downtrodden is their common denominator.
that is fascinating. Love that observation
Fr Felix just SAT there STARING at his bike as if the sky had fallen loool
He could also just go on foot lol
I think the movie tells us that Oliver is a liar and unreliable narrator from the very first moment, he says he isn’t in love with Felix, but we get those “love shots” that we all know when we see them mean “I am in love with this person” when we first introduced to him. We are told from that, Oliver isn’t to be trusted and that he doesn’t tell the truth.
I really like how it’s done, cause you just kinda brush it off and are like “well you clearly are in love with him” and don’t really think about the deeper fact that this shows him as a liar and an unreliable narrator. You just think “what a silly little guy, it’s obvious you love him”
as a 4'11 girly i can say that at some point, the neck pain from looking up at a tall person overrides any possible crush
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But seriously, I think Oliver wasn’t sure if he loved Felix or if he wanted to be Felix until Felix finally rejected him. I think at that moment he determined he would finally knock over all the dominoes he had set up. He handed Felix the bottle and gave in to his dark desires. It was that one moment… he seems like he didn’t want it to come to that based on the grave scene. Felix wrote his death sentence the second Oliver poured out his heart and he freaked out. The only person Oliver was genuinely obsessed with was Felix…. When he couldn’t have him, he decided he would just be him. Cement himself into this awful family… Felix was the angel keeping the devil at bay… with him gone, it was easy to get through the rest. I also think not everything in this movie was meant to make sense. Oliver is beyond unhinged
BEYOND!
i love how when they were tossing rocks oliver's didnt actually land in the water because his dad wasn't actually dead
That was clever foreshadowing
Also when Oliver tells felix that his dad died the red curtains are peeking open, then when felix was killed, they’re fully shut
If the final scene, after oliver’s lil dance, was him hearing noise behind him, and then saying « took you long enough » and they revealed farleigh standing there with a smirk, and flashbacked to showing us they were in on it together the whole time, i would’ve been sold
Now THAT would have been an actual twist!
@@PinkPopcast That would have been so interesting.
Maybe not the entire time but maybe the night that Ollie's in Farleighs room, and they come to an arrangement because he's being cut off.
@@KitAE0 that's good too.better actually. the way i was seeing it, was that since oliver and farleigh had the same academic advisor, they have like months together before oliver ever talked to felix, so i was picturing that somehow ollie found out about farleigh's money troubles and figured it would be his way in, and they would get in a relationship, and everything ollie did, was planned by them together, farleigh giving him the insight on felix to help him manipulate his way in. and their enemies thing is like a kinky thing lmao . but i like your idea way better, it makes more sense with the story, that the moment they slept together, that was the switch
oh that would've been GREAT.
It wasn't drinking the bath water that was as disgusting to me, it was the tonguing the bacteria-laden drain. I've earned my red wings in bed, but NOT LIKE THAT!
Hahah there’s a difference for sure
The drain is the worst part for me. Have you seen the inside of a shower drain??? It’s full of hair!!!
@@AmyAberrant My thoughts exactly. A truly nauseating action. Have you ever watched one of those plumber videos of them using a drain snake thing? It's almost enough to make Oliver's actions make you puke.
Ty for confirming this movie is just not for me 😮
@MelindaChovexani I've only watched the full movie with reactors via Patreon, but I can confirm that the movie definitely wasn't for me either! I can only imagine it'd be worse watching it alone.
I think Benji’s analysis hits closer to what I assumed about the film, but wasn’t conveyed very well by the film’s writing. I honestly assumed his goalposts kept moving as he kept going further and further into their world and family. He honestly just planned to be Felix’s friend and then use his connections to build wealth and status. But he kept moving his goals as Felix invited him to stay, then introduced him to his family, and so on. Eventually, Felix’s rejection is what actually snowballed his plan into a “well now I can’t have him so I’ll take his wealth and family” and when the mom turns up years later and invites him to stay again, and there’s his solidified “this life that I’ve wanted and believe I’m entitled to belongs to me now.” He wins.
I think Emerald knows how to give incredible cinematography and tell a compelling story and one that’s very conversational, but so far her movies fail to nail the ending. Promising Young Woman ended with Cassie alerting the police and that’s her “I got the last laugh,” but that ending is going against the film’s own message, which is that the justice system doesn’t support or protect victims, it’s not justice.
Saltburn ended with something a bit too convoluted and almost hamfisted in a sense, and there were things setup within the story that would’ve made a bigger impact had they played a greater role in the ending. But instead, it’s chalked up to “Oliver was playing them all along and had this grand master plan from the start” which doesn’t really work for me and for others I’ve talked to.
I don’t think he had a master plan. He’s a compulsive liar and compulsive liars lie to themselves.
To me the montage showed his steady state was habitually lying and manipulating with no long term goal, which is what pathological liars do. Every word out of their mouth is a lie, they are incapable of telling a straight story.
But as an audience, we are used to seeing that type of “all the bad acts” montage and consider it a “master plan” revelation, when it wasn’t.
It’s very difficult to get an audience to view certain tropey sequences in a different way.
For Promising Young Woman, does it really look like justice in the end? I don’t think so at all.
To be fair to Fennell, the studio had her add the gotcha from the grave ending. She wanted to end with them getting away with it (which is what she did with this movie, actually, to be fair to critics of that).
@@LadyScaper I could definitely see that, Oliver being a compulsive liar and just snowballing from there. That’s an interesting interpretation for me to look on when (if?) I watch the film again. I honestly think he’s a bit too intelligent to have just been making it up completely as he went along, since he had so many contingency plans for if someone didn’t do what he wanted them to do (or if they did). I do agree that he’s a compulsive liar though, I really wish we learned more about HIM and not just what was going on in the narrowness of the story.
Also, Promising Young Woman ends with Cassie having scheduled that text and all the incriminating evidence ab the guys to be sent to the police during the wedding. Technically, I think that’s what she thought would be “justice” even though Cassie died. Like I said, it kinda goes against the message that was set up at the beginning of the film, which is that the justice system fails victims and doesn’t care ab protecting them. Why set up the theme of systemic corruption and it’s failures, just to end the story with relying on the system to do exactly what it DIDN’T do at the start?? It doesn’t really WORK for me in the way I think it worked for others who liked it.
I just feel like Fennell’s writing kind of falls apart by the time she gets to the ending, but we’ve only had two? projects from her so far so I understand she’s finding her footing still. Definitely watch Princess Weekes’s video ab it! It’s really good and it highlights so many issues with the film and analyzes the genre as a whole.
Thanks for putting in words what I was feeling about this movie.
@@cristenkray5192 About compulsive liars, I have known several on one side of my family (coping mechanism for them, I know at least 4). All they know is to lie, there isn’t any forethought in the moment. Lying is a reflex. It’s just attention seeking (good or bad), a momentarily means to get out of trouble or seeking a feeling of control/power when they feel they don’t have any. They don’t just lie to everyone else, but they constantly lie to themselves to justify their awfulness.
Did Oliver have short term goals? Yes. His main goal was to get with Felix and it did change and snowball from there. He most certainly didn’t plan to get Saltburn, the second he saw Felix.
Some compulsive liarsdo try to be what they think another person “wants” but it quickly falls apart. Some “just exaggerate” and some go MUCH farther than that.
Those go farther types tend to have chaos as their steady state. They aren’t capable of being truthful as their brain sort of isn’t wired for honesty as the default. (Compulsive lying starts in childhood, but by the time they reach adulthood, lying to themselves is a huge component of their compulsive lying complex.) When some do get caught, they do fall apart, some don’t. Oliver panicking… that made sense as compulsive liars aren’t smooth manipulative masterminds 100% of the time. They do get found out.
Oliver’s mother making excuses for Oliver is exactly what I have seen people close to compulsive liars do. Either that or people get fed up with them and don’t deal with them anymore (hence, Oliver having no friends). Oliver exhausted his previous victim pool and had a fresh start and a new victim pool at Oxford as no one knew him.
The high of Oliver’s manipulations working (in spite of his mistakes) is something compulsive liars and manipulators thrive on. Oliver was able to be his true self at Saltburn.
For PYW, we have no idea how the case will go in court and it wasn’t even for Nina’s rape. Having to sacrifice oneself just to get the police to consider arresting someone, does not seem like the justice system working or caring about victims. I mean… Cassie is dead. Those guys will get out on bail. If the justice system had worked, Cassie wouldn’t be dead. For Cassie to give up living she didn’t have much hope. Her sending the evidence was a last ditch desperate attempt at some kind of revenge as she didn’t know about the recording of Nina’s attack before. I don’t consider it justice. Will it become public what those guys did? Yes? Will they get out on bail? Most likely. Will they be convicted? Considering the type of lawyers they can get, that’s truly up in the air. Especially considering the excuses society makes for rapists. That does not seem like justice. I find people have faith in the “just us” system too much.
I do think Fennell’s writing does get weaker/muddled at the end. I do think a part of it is producer interference and some of it is she is trying to challenge the audience farther then they are willing to go. (That’s why I think her needle drops are so literal, so it’s easier for people to reach the more complex point she is making.)
I notice she is a fan of Jordan Peele. They both look at the “quiet part “ that we aren’t supposed to say “out loud” with their works. I think Peele is better at communicating his points, but even he changed the ending of Get Out. (I also notice people didn’t critique Get Out about police investigations at the end, yet they do so with Saltburn. )
Certain things, I think people expect too much of Fennell. Like she does not hide she came from a wealthy background (which I appreciate). She has even admitted she was able to get ahead at points in her career because she could work for free when others couldn’t. How could she write an eat the rich story? That would be disingenuous and completely fall apart anyway. She did make a class and system critique though, in a much different and interesting way, and based on her background more authentic to her. People kind of can’t see it in part due to audience conditioning. I truly think she wants to break that audience conditioning and I appreciate that.
(Some people genuinely think Oliver represents the middle class.)
For me I was close to figuring out the class commentary of Saltburn on my own, and after talking with others I did come to a conclusion. While I still think it’s a character study, it is also a pointing out our system highly rewards the worst of us. Then we get told to revere these horrible people (the first music cue at the start of Saltburn tells us this). Clearly the system as a whole is the problem. But people tend to view class commentary as ONLY eating the rich. As if the system itself isn’t the problem.
shocking ? no. gross? yes!
Hahah
It was hot af 😅 I guess I’m weird lol
i finished the movie being shocked and aroused. am i weird
@Forev3rYoung1947 Nah, you ain't alone. Plenty of women (me included) found that period sex scene hot 😭
@@Zedd...I wish more people weren’t grossed out by it. It’s natural and in my opinion it’s super sexy 😅
I like to think that Oliver is so conniving in this movie that he's always making backup plans, if I can't get him I'll get his sister, if not her the mother, etc. But his goal is the same throughout the movie, he just goes back and forth between his love for Felix and his desire for what Felix has.
One thing i noticed is that at the lunch scene after Felix's death Farleigh and Venetia both react in the same way that Oliver dominated them. Venetia is pouring out the wine and drinking it insatiably - just like he tells her she will eat everything and not get up from the table until its gone. Farleigh tries to be the reality check the family needs, just like he tried to warn everyone throughout the movie, and eventually he is dethroned from his status in the family simply because he is told to do what he is told/told to behave how they want him to (Sir James yelling at him to sit down, no one cares about his feelings, and then he is banished due to being essentially framed by Oliver). Not only that but Elspeth connects with Oliver because he nurtures her delusions and flatters her fakeness and he uses that in the scene as well. Its one of the best scenes of the film thematically.
That’s amazing!
@@PinkPopcast ahh thank you! As flawed at the films script was, I actually really enjoyed this movie lol.
i've been on the internet too long that I didn't even blink at anything happening in saltburn
Right!?!? Like have y’all never watched an R Rated movie before!?
@@PinkPopcast or read fanfic or hung out on twitter for more than 10 mins 😭
I was waiting for something insane to happen and after the movie when I saw what scenes people were talking about it was like ”oh….sure I guess”
people were acting like the bathtub scene was the worst thing theyve ever seen, seriously 😭
@@ash.1353 I remember 2 girls 1 cup circulating internet 😭 the bath water is nothing
Oxfam is a charity shop, which sells donated/secondhand clothes. Keep in mind this was 2006 and thrifting wasn't trendy for rich people yet.
I figured that’s what it was 😅
I never knew this thank you for sharing!!!
Barry was doing a scouse/ Liverpool accent, not his natural Irish but the scouse accent is derived from Irish settlers in Liverpool.
It's interesting that the only one of the four young main characters that actually has a 'posh' English accent is Archie Madekwe, playing the only American!
And he didn’t get to use it!?!?
@@PinkPopcast It's weird you weren't tuned in to his American accent. It was a convincing one by the actor. How could you hear an English accent from his audible performance?!!?
@@ameliacraiig4193 ? They never claimed to hear an English accent from Archie. They're surprised that the only actor with a genuine posh British accent played a role in which he didn't get an opportunity to use it.
Honestly both of you are right, cause it’s still pretty obvious to us Americans that his accent isn’t 100% natural (despite how good it is). It’s a little too polished. American accents are… lazy lol
@@PinkPopcast Yeah, I thought that was what you were implying. Maybe his American dialect coach chose to take his character into consideration by revealing, through his accent, a sense of affectation & façade in his persona. I could see it being a deliberate choice; because apart from it being "too polished" iyo, he's not off in his pronunciation.
Oliver switches his plans everytime he got rejected by Felix because he was trying to get him.
The first time Felix got angry at him and didn't invite him to the pub, he mades up that his dad died to pull him back in (his mom probably was just calling to get news from her son, nothing more).
Then when Felix finds out the truth about Ollie's lies he knows he's gonna lose him again, prepares the drugged bottle and tries one last time to get him back. When Felix says his ultimate 'no' to Ollie, he basically seals his fate.
Had things turned a different way I'm pretty sure Oliver wouldn't have gave him the bottle.
So yes, Oliver had a plan since the beginning but not necessarily to wipe out the whole family. You cannot trust what he says because he's an unreliable narrator to this story.
He was very much in love with Felix, to the point his obsession turned to hate at moments and was eating at him. Hence the violence and anger everytime something doesn't go his way. He loved Felix up to point he was told 'no', then he turned on him and decided if he couldn't have him he was gonna have his soul and all his family's, along with their possessions that made them feel so superior, (most probably hated the family since day one when he overheard them talk crap about him behind his back).
He's just an obsessed entitled chaotic person who just relishes on power and how he's able to manipulate people around him (Venetia, Elspeth...).
He had to make Farleigh go away too because he was too persistent and could see right through him.
“Am I broken?” No we just grew up with wattpad
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"Why should he get expelled for that?" Exactly. That's what I thought too.
Farleigh was a VICTIM!
12:50 alternative title: “we watched the Weird Little Freak movie” 😂
*barry has skittered into the chat
The ads are always impeccable. So happy you didn’t choose a grave.
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when he says " im a vampire " .. i think of the Nick Cage screaming IM A VAMPIRE IM A VAMPIRE
Omg I can't, "if mans not gonna sleep with you gotta drink his bath water" 😂😂😂😂😂
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I agree with Benji, it started out as Ollie just wanting to be a part of Felix's life and escalated from there. As soon as Felix made it clear that wasn't going to happen, Ollie went for the next best thing. Several scenes prove this, at the grave where he knew no one was watching and at the end where he was throwing Elspeth's lifeless arms around him. He very, VERY obviously didn't /want/ to kill them, he just wanted to be included in their lives but when he knew it wasn't going to happen he became them instead.
What I wouldn’t give to have a movie with Elspeth and Poor Dear Pamela. Even if it was just the two of them providing commentary to things happening around them.
OMG that Greek Chorus would have been FANTASTIC!
Prequel when they were young and wild.
"You want a man to be clean every time you have sex with him?" If you don't want to get infections, pretty much, yeah. (Obviously, this is not an issue for Oliver, as we can see from his grave behavior.)
Right!?
honestly i personally think they make Oliver look so small to try and show felix’s family look down on him
I can sense that. It was very patronizing of Felix when they first pulled up to be like, “oh this is lOveLy”
I think this was a great visual for the classic unreliable narrator. It starts giving us clues, like when we see him smoking after he says he doesn't, instead of telling us. I love the slow unravel and spiral this plot takes us on (yes, I'm a Lit nerd and this felt like reading catcher in the rye a little)
Definitely an unreliable narrator
Barry > Jacob
He gives off the “I can fix him” vibes and I would ruin my life for him 😂
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For the non-Brits, Oxfam is a charity shop, which is like a thrift store but the revenues go to charity
Thank you!
Like Goodwill in the States.
18:12 i didn’t notice when i watched for the first time!!! a doppelgänger of Felix walks past the window, foreshadowing his death!!!!!
this movie is genius. modern gothic romance realness 🖤❤️🔥🖤
This movie reminds me so much of _The Talented Mr. Ripley._
Rizzo is feeling himself! What kind of wild night did he have 😆 🤣 😂
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Anybody who’s seen the Talented Mr. Ripley is not surprised by the twist and the execution of the themes were done better there instead of here. BUT Saltburn is so much fun, the style over substance works for me here, call me a nostalgic millennial but the soundtrack sold it for me 😆🤷🏻♀️
Music can make or break a movie for sure
Your freaking Barry Keoghan in the bushes had me DYING🤣
FINALLY! I was so happy with that visual gag but you’re the first person to mention it! Thank you for enjoying our weird sense of humor :-)
@@PinkPopcast My dog was frightened I laughed so freaking loud, every time he scampered across my screen. And when you all scampered past as well XD Also, I agree with Rizzo I was actually mixed on it initially when I first watched it. But my rating for it went higher the 2nd time I watched it.
Shoutout to Rosamund Pike, so different in _Pride and Prejudice_ and _Gone Girl_ and here. Also Carey Mulligan, who is so different here.
It seems weird going through all the other rooms to get to the rooms you're going to instead of having a hallway, but I guess that's the way they used to build big fancy houses. Saltburn seems an odd name for it, but it's all about how it burns when you rub salt in those wounds, I suppose.
Thank you, Rizzo! I've never done and never will do those things, but I also thought nothing of them.. My only thought about people freaking out was : "Have you never watched a movie? Ever?" xD The most disturbing scenes to me were the scene at Ollie's house and the scene right after they find Felix's body.. :/
A mother's grief and scream will always destroy me 🥺
lol someone fucking a grave is nothing????😂😂😂😂
which movies have you been watching oh my
@@nonoeee I love horror movies, which, to me, show worse things sometimes.. Also, I don't think fucking a grave is normal, but I also wasn't screaming at the top of my lungs and looking away from the screen, like I've seen a lot of people do.. :)
‘Murder on the Dance Floor’ is when Rizzo encounters bigots at the Queer Celebration Party.
KICK-A-BIGOT DAY!
The dump him Britney Spears shirt made famous ❤by her , in this movie is iconic
Wait! Who’s wearing that???
@@PinkPopcast Archie
I think the grossest part of the bath scene was just rimming the drain like it doesn't collect detritus from every bath, not just the cute ones where your crush gets off
but the hardest to watch was the easy over eggs because the second hand embarrassment nearly killed me.
Hahah that drain was gross but second hand embarrassment is deadly 😂
@@PinkPopcast SO real
Edited my spelling.
I had a panic attack watching the bathtub scene. It was so gross because it's not just the water, but it's him slurping in the drain
The drain!! That’s the issue!
@PinkPopcast the biggest issue
@@PinkPopcastnope, all of it's disgusting from drinking someone's bath water to bath water laden with sperm to licking the drain.
They didn’t lie to us with the phonecall scene. Oliver got a phonecall from his mum, and then he told Felix he’d got bad news, and his dad had died. Both those scenes happened. What his mum actually rang him about is not really relevant so it didn’t need to be covered.
RIZZO WHAT??? U BE DRINKING BATH WATER ???? FING GRAVES ???? 😰
I’m assuming no, but it doesn’t shock him I guess lol
@@PinkPopcast 😭😭😭 yea ofc the “ i did some filthy things “ just threw me
Also, he was writing, he wrote milk and cookies toward the left of the screen lol
The obituary said 2022 so from 2006-2022 He played the long game like Josie at the 20th high school reunion.
Lastly, Barry Keoghan "Oliver's" antlers were an homage to his film that put him "on the map," The Killing of a Sacred Deer. I love that they had that in there so much!
Yes. I also caught it with The Killing of a Sacred Deer! Which is indeed much more disturbing than Saltburn. That's a movie I'm not going to watch a second time!
if fucking a fresh grave is not shocking, i don't want to know what is lmao
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I’m so desensitized
I watched a horror film last year that had someone eating her child’s brains out of his head like popcorn from a bucket 🤮
I'm guessing you've never watched the human centipede then?
Disconcerting, how atunned is Benji with the toxic little freak's train of thought: first, how his machinations are scalations, and his goal posts are ever changing (yeah, at the beggining he just wanted Felix, the house and everything else were after toughts of the "and then? and then? and then?") and then about the overdosed bottle; it was't his primary intention to kill Felix, but after failing to rail him back, what more is it there? after that he was sure he was never going to have him.
And then his conclusion? maybe his 5'5" gives him Oliver's same kind of perspective (Jk Benji, just in awe of your reading)
Lol I guess I’m an empath?
the whole cast was perfection in this. and i could write an essay on the nuances of farleigh as a character. its a very fun movie to talk about
Absolutely
Benji will not rest till he perfects all the accents in the British Isles and as they say in Italy, “Girl, that was fierce.”
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I thought it was pretty clear, Oliver is just making plans up as he goes along . He gets a goal, if he fails he pivots. Watching it back you can definetly see that whenever he is humiliated, that’s when a new lie comes in
That’s definitely what I was thinking, as I was watching the film for the first time, but the ending confused me. I’ve seen a few comments, suggesting that his final big reveal is actually from a wounded ego, trying to recontextualize everything as a master plan, which is something I find more interesting!
@@PinkPopcastthanks for sharing, that’s makes sense! Oliver definetly seemed to have ‘illusions of grandeur’, so he would lie to himself to feel smarter
i dont think he knew what he was doing the whole time, hes an unreliable narrator. even emerald said the first thing he says about not loving felix is a lie. he lies to himself and the audience. i think he only really planned on killing anyone once he thought he lost felix.
Yea I definitely an unreliable narrator
Rizzo calling Barry Keoghan "weird little freak" through out the commentary had me 😂
recovering from surgery rn and so glad i got a good video to watch! love y’all!
Glad we could help in a small way :)
5:51 as Nicole Rafiee has said: Jacob Elordi is the size of the Empire State building.
Hmm, maybe he should have ended with saying they enjoyed hearing and living in other people's tragedies and so he gave them one of their own.
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I screamed my house down when the bathtub scene happened I just went " Barry you sick bastard eww !!!!" 😂😂😂🤢
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Honestly Oliver just seemed like the book version of Joe Goldberg, so I was grossed out but not surprisingly
He should have typed "All work and no play makes Oliver a dull boy" over and over.
That would’ve been great 😄
please watch the talented mr. ripley if you enjoyed a premise like this!!!
We will eventually 🎉
"Don't sit next to him--you'll catch scholarship status."
oxfam is a charity shop in the uk, people donate their old clothes and those shops resell them very cheap, she was basically calling him poor
I totally get what Rizzo means by the twist being not twisty enough.
I think it would have benefited more if there were more clues along the way, so there could have been moments where you might have questioned something, but it wasn’t too out of character for you to be too suspicious. Even with a second watch, I didn’t feel like there were little hints along the way.
So instead of the twist being “OHHHHHHH” it was more like “Oh.”
Right!? Lowercase: “oh” 😐
31:07 after this scene, “memorial rock” that Oliver threw that dropped in vomit made some sense
still fuming there was a kiss scene with Felix and Oliver we didn’t get to see lol
Omg I hope they release it!!
Honestly this whole movie felt like a disturbing sexy dream someone would have and wake up questioning themselves then be too ashamed to tell anyone about.
Ps: I would love for you guys to get to watch some Studio Ghibli’s movie, I think you are gonna love them
Omg yes, that’s what it feels like haha! Also yea we need to try some Ghiblis
I kind of didn't understand when people kept saying they thought he had a master plan from the beginning... That's not what I got out of it. I don't necessarily think he was just "making it up as he went along," but I thought his goals changed and became more ambitious as he saw the opportunities arise. I thought the montage at the end showed how it started with his interest in Felix, then evolved into infatuation, then love and obsession. Things started to change after he meets the family, cuz he finds himself wanting everyone to like him so he can stay there and continue being a part of that lifestyle, and he begins to want more and more as the story profresses. We can see that hes genuinely frustrated when he breaks his bathroom mirror, which happens after he realizes Farley isnt as easy to manipulate and gets embarassed him in front of everyone during karaoke, so he frames him.
After he gets found out to be a liar and ignored by Felix, then finds out Farley is back, then gets embarrassed again when no one knows his name during Happy Birthday, I think is when things truly change, because he feels like he's lost everything. He at least wants Felix, and its when he finallt gets rejected by him that he begrudgingly kills him and shifts his focus. I think the only reason he killed him was because of the rejection and the fear of embarrassment if others found out he was a liar, and he's clearly upset because of the grave scene. Then he kills Venetia because of the whole "stranger danger" thing she says, and once again, the fear and embarrassment of being found out. The drugs in the wine and the razor blades were hia contingency plan. Then he extorts money from the Dad.
It's several years later after the dad kills himself, and we don't see Oliver being involved during the montage, so he just sees the opportunity and gets back in with Elspeth to eventually take the estate. Even from the very beginning, we can see how much he's actually infatuated/in love/obsessed with Felix, because every shot lingers on him longer and is very ethereal while Oliver is talking about him (even during the final montage). We know that he's a liar, and I think that him telling the story and trying to convince Elspeth (and the audience) that it was all some big elaborate plan, is almost a way of trying to "save face" and convince HIMSELF that it was, since he didn't actually get Felix like he wanted. Some of the things he says don't actually quite match up with what's being shown on the screen, and I think that's the key. What we see is what he's actually thinking. What he's saying is what he's trying to convince Elspeth, the audience and HIMSELF of. That's what I thought anyways 🤷
dont be groundophobic! the earth needs love too :)
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I would love it if you both could react to "The Killing Of a Sacred Deer"! It's a psychological thriller movie in which Barry Keoghan plays the part of another little freaky guy!
A much freakier little guy if you ask me. THAT one was disturbing!!
had a horrific day but you guys always cheer me up- thank you so so much
I’m so sorry but I’m glad you’re feeling good enough to enjoy this 🥹
Rizzo looks so cool and edgy. Nice ear piercing. Very movie version of a Rockstar.
Thank you 🎉
The kid that yelled, then ask me a sum then, was he in House of the Dragon
That’s Ewan Mitchell alright.
I have far worse disturbing films (like Japanese horror my gosh they know how to make you feel sick) but I was surprised that a film like this made it into theaters! Most of them are too controversial and end up on DVD or streaming lol
So fun watching you guys react to this!!
Thank you for being chill Rizzo
16:54 omg please do a commentary of The Parent Trap during the summer…that would be 👩🏽🍳💋
THIS IS THE YEAR!
Rip Eric Saltburn
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I LOVE BENJIS HAIR MORE AND MORE EVERY VIDEO
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Honestly, the bathwater thing wasn't that gross to me (assuming there isn't soap in it), and when it started happening I just thought: "oh alright, he's dirty like that." It was just the tongue going in and around the drain that grossed me out.... LMAO 😂😂😂
Yea the drain was aweful haha
Saltburn did not shock me as much as this episode's ad did. I just did not expect it. lol Shocked as in surprised.
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The ad with Benji in the tub 😂 I had the worst week and this made me laugh so hard. Thank youu😂❤
i really enjoy the idea that Oliver doesn't think that far into the things he does . he thought about how to get close to Felix and not much after that and so the whole movie is literally him just spiraling and the fact is ... he doesn't actually "eat" the rich because he is rich himself so dislike that idea . he just felt he deserved the cattons wealth more than they did . And lastly tying it all together was Venetia accurately calling him a moth ! he just acts upon seeing the shiny thing ! . nice reaction as always guys !🌺 and rizzo and other commentors i must disagree , what was deeply disturbing was the sheer grossness of it all, like the tounging the drain was plainly biological warfare and the grave scence was gross on like a spiritual level idk but no amount of toxic yaoi in my tween years prepaped for that 😅
Yes!! Haha that drain licking was so unsanitary 😂
I'm female and the vampire scene makes me feel ill😂 I feel you Benji😂💜
Thanks 😭
Yeah, it's disgusting. Lol I'm a woman as well.
Agree, the last twist cheapens it, it was more interesting to watch this volatile situation slowly implode, yes instigated by Oliver, but somewhat inevitable. Don’t need the plan, he was already playing the character and his tendencies, and the twist midway with the parents was perfect for his character arc. If he, despite himself, would have ended up in the same place, as maybe, like Rizzo said about the ‘work’ line , the only person in this situation able to survive the tumbling down, that would have been satisfying enough.
Agreed!
Please do Parent Trap 🙏
You mentioned it at 16:54 and I was like *Oh, heck yeah!* :D
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I keep forgetting this movie takes place in the 00s. That eyebrow ring is the only thing that reminds me lol. The polo shirts aren't enough because they're already preppy.
THE AD CAUGHT ME SO OFF GUARD LMAOOO
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The math guy is on _House of the Dragon._
y'all are almost to 100k omg!!
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YES... almost 100k. SPREAD THE WORD, TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO SUBSCRIBE and watch!!❤❤❤😊
100k subs. Congrats!!!
Thank you!!
43:00 C’mon Benji with the Lion King 2 reference 😂
Subtle but you got it 😏
Honestly the worst part about the bathwater scene is the fact that there's soap in the water. Otherwise I don't see any squicks about it.
I learned things about myself watching this movie 😋
Hahah definitely a product of this movie
This reminded me of your reaction to Heartstopper with Rizzo repeating the accent
Have you guys seen _Promising Young Woman?_ I'd love to see your reaction (I'll check).
Benji, I love the shirt you’re wearing. It’s a lovely colour.
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Thank you for considering that Venetia’s nightgown will be ruined. ❤️
The family seems to instantly believe the worst of Farleigh. I wonder why.
Notice the way Oliver gave Felix the champagne bottle, is the same way Annabelle gave Oliver the bottle of alcohol when he said Felix wouldn’t be jealous.
She was sitting outside freeflowing without underwear, it was ruined anyway
@@fuzzyappleshe could have been wearing period panties.
Oh maybe he picked it up from Annabelle lol
ever since this movie came out i can’t stop using “weird little freak” in my vocabulary and i’m sad it didnt make it into the video title
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I really liked Saltburn and I think Benji and Rizzo's analysis of Oliver were BOTH correct and here is my reasoning. We have to remember that Oliver is telling us the story and he is an unreliable narrator. Everyone else involved cannot tell their side of the story (except Farleigh who we assume lived) so there are no contradictions to what Oliver is saying. So the analysis that Benji gave about how things were planned, changing and evolving was actually what happened. How Oliver may have gotten emotional or over his head at certain points where he may have had feelings for Felix and ultimately chose to take his place (kill him) once he knew his position was threatened. Rizzo's analysis I think was the way that Oliver wanted the listener to BELIEVE it happened, maybe to make him seem smarter and more cunning than he was, maybe to be able to boast about it to someone or maybe because that is Oliver's truth/his recollection/his reality. Ultimately luck also played a part in helping Oliver. He did the work to get in close enough to the family to have an opportunity to take it all, and manipulated a group of people who had so much privilege they felt untouchable. Getting Farleigh out of the way and Sir James dying first really helped Oliver get his ultimate goal. He doesn't mention that much in his story and that's part of how he's adjusting the story to make him sound better than he was. But Loved this reaction and always look forward to more.
Not Rizzo expanding the lore by saying the word ‘kinky’ in an unironic way.
saltburn reminds me a lot of tom ripley, which i think shows a spiral more obviously and executes it better, i think
Damn! You guys are looking good this video 🥰 I also didn’t find this movie too shocking, but I watch a lot of twisted stuff
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Benji down all fours in the tub is crazy
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