My Disc Golf Journey from 250ft to 400ft (75 - 120m)
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2022
- My journey of improvement in disc golf backhand distance! Let's hope this is a part 1 :)
In the video I'll be going over my backhand form improvements in chronological order. We'll talk about footwork, finding the snap, making space for the disc, consistent throwing plane etc. I hope you find it interesting!
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This was interesting! I had to do a similar thing when I was building my technique as well. I'm really curious about that simulator you used to see what angles are ideal. Have you tried increasing the angle at the shoulder past 90°? It'd be really interesting to see what exact angles produce the highest speed
Thanks! I still have a lot of things to test with the simulations. Haven't tested putting the angle past 90d yet, I'll have to give it a try!
@@SketchesForHumanity nice! I'd love to see what the results would be 🤘
one of the farthest throwers on tour now wants to see if he can throw even farther. god save us all
@@SketchesForHumanity Great video! And cool software. If you're taking requests for experiments, it would be cool to see how arm/lever length affects release velocity. Help put in perspective just how impressive it is when Emerson throws 500' 🤯
Didn't you and Tristan do a motion capture thing? I assumed that would've yielded all kinds of authoritative next-level insights.
Wow. Great work on both your form and this video!
Thank you, Josh! 🙏 Great to see you here, you guys' videos have helped me a lot! 😊
@@SketchesForHumanity me too!
That right shoulder thing is gold.
Holy shit, I've been studying the pros relentlessly, filming my form, everything, I got stuck around 360 roughly 3 months ago. I thought I tried everything, but that tip about bringing the right shoulder forward and also driving through with the left shoulder as well as with your hips just blew my mind. I decided to give it a shot and gave it some reps with a towel and it felt crazy. I then tried it with my discs in a field and it immediately put me over 400.
The shorter x-step really helped too.
Best video I've ever seen. Finally an honest presentation that explains how complex the backhand form is. Incredibly inspiring. Wish I had seen this video 10 years ago. Very well done!
I'm 71 years old. I went from 220 feet to 292 feet following many of your examples. The most important one for me was the 90-degree arm illustration at 12:35.
This is has to be the best progress video I have seen to date. You have definitely created a relatable and helpful video for those of us who seek more distance. The way you have documented your journey, spotted inefficiencies in your form and corrected them, and using simulations to back your findings is fantastic. Thank you for doing this, I'm looking forward to more.
Yea I was glad to see it wasn't Robbie C. So I clicked on it and now I bet I can get my old distance back.
Man.. I just gotta tell you, I don't know if it's the Finnish summer or the fact that I was cutting onions earlier but that moment made me tear up. I saw that. I saw how important that was for you. And that's what it's all about. This is why we dot it! This is why disc golf or personal growth in any regard is such beautiful thing! I'm definitely sharing this video, this was done in such a genius and humane way. Thank you man! Have a good one!
I love the idea of my body becoming a slingshot now being taught (2023+) rather than starting the lawn mower "pulling across your chest". Like your Blender simulations proves, the most awesome sling of them all - the Trebuchet works by this exact principle. Inspiring video, thanks!
Your "pushing the ground" is "The Brace". See Drew Gibson, to see what he does with it.
It causes your right hip to move backwards and hence increase your torso rotation rate, plus it also means you are extending up into balance on your plant foot. Trying to brace against a bent leg is fruitless, and you just glide over the top. Plus, once the leg is completely straight, the body can rotate in place about the stationary hip joint.
Coincidentally, the bracing leg extension radically increases grip and traction simultaneously, just when you are applying maximum torque to your contact patch on the ground. :) Even more fun, is the fact that once you have finished extending into your braced position, the pressure on the ground radically decreases, to allow for easy plant-foot rotation/heel spin, and it relieves torque on the knee, as well. :)
Since you learned to walk you have mastered the ability to land with a bent leg, and to quickly stand up straight into perfect balance. Using both legs to jump, or just one.
If you extend too quickly, then your foot disengages from the ground during the smash, and that is bad news. Your foot can rotate, but it should never move sideways from your plant foot. I call this pole-vaulting, as it lifts you completely off the ground, even if only for a few milliseconds.
If you take a final step that's too long, you can't brace against it properly, and if you are going too fast then you can't come into balance on your plant foot after the release. And to finish in static balance means you must have maintained dynamic balance throughout your throwing motion. :)
in disc golf, you don't have much time, so you can't flex deeply when you land, as you have no time to stop your downwards motion, and reverse it before the disc is gone. Land with plant leg almost straight, absorb and extend the earliest you possibly can, but do not extend too quickly - as above.
This is another thing in disc golf which is greatly dictated by physical talent and ability - and which the rest of us just have to work really hard on, for year, after year... after year... after decade... after decade!
"trying to brace against a bent leg is fruitless"?
Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but doesn't Paul McB have a very bent brace for example?
You can brace/plant with a bent leg as long as it is firm. You see this in several rotational style throwing motions - baseball, javelin to a lesser extent, etc. It doesn't necessarily have to be straight, but it appears that a straight leg is more common.
I really hope that you'll make it to 500 feet and make another video.
The physics based animation and explanation were some of the best I've seen on the topic! Thanks for the great video!
I am not even kidding when I say this:
I am at the “making space” phase. I have spent ages before this trying (similar to you) to chase the tension in my back.
Something about you mentioning the “snap” tension and creating space for the disc and my discovery of that has made something click and I just got a PR drive. Fantastic video besides that as well but I want to say thank you!!
Time Stamps:
2:32 Throwing Plane and Follow Through
4:05 Footwork
6:19 Snap and Off Arm Drive
8:56 Disc Spacing and Shoulder Rotation
11:42 90 Degree Throwing Arm
13:39 Heal Rotation
14:44 Reach Back Timing and Rubber Band Effect
16:05 X-Step
17:15 Results
Thankyou.
For people watching, especially if you are not young, be careful with your shoulder/rotator cuff. A safer long term focus is to focus on core muscles pumping the shoulder tilt rather than trying to tweak the right shoulder angle. The body likes symmetry of dynamic balance and movement for safely handling explosive movements.
BTW- You seem like a genuine character, so I wanted to point out one more thing for you. In your personal best throw toward the end. Watch your lead leg as it goes from foot strike to flat onto heel- It looks like your knee is destabilized and bends awkwardly, as your plant foot rolls awkwardly over to the side during its clockwise rotation. From that angle it looks like your swing axis is compromised. The destabilized swing axis, also seems to be affecting your hip opening timing as your power-L arm heads toward the dynamic power pocket, and when your hips are fully open, as indicated by vertical back foot, your elbow hinge is already open. Easier to fix if you take the run up out of the equation, and find better hip activation/core flexibility.
Such an amazing video! After looking through the comments I know I'm not the first person to say something like this, but as somebody who has been obsessed with the sport since picking it up 3 years ago it feels amazing to see the same journey I worked through in somebody else's eyes. We all have this infatuation with improving and putting together a solid performance piece by piece, it's what disc golf is all about. Don't stop overthinking, and don't stop practicing, all the effort you've put in and the knowledge you've shared today would be worth it all on their own, I hope you get some real recognition for how much this video will help beginners for years to come. Keep up the good work!
I do practice a lot for last 3 years. Still not happening anything, but Im not gonna give up 😂
Thank you. Restarted 3 months ago after playing for 9 months five years ago. I get to 230 to 240 on good throws. Practicing for like 1.5 hours a day. Making progress, but slowly. Can't wait until I can consistently throw 330 to 350. Glad to see I am not the only one that this will take forever for.
I've been watching the slingshot guy, Ben's big drive, overthrow and so on. Your idea about pushing the right shoulder forward really helped. Gave me about 7 m extra distance on my first tries. One thing led to another during the same session and I think I got about 12 m regular distance as a consequence of that shoulder move.
I'm going to be sore tomorrow.
Please, I want to watch more rigid body simulations in relation to disc golf.
The shoulder thing made a huge difference for me. It feels like it was the main thing I was missing.
You want to lead with your elbow
@@jackdonkey22 I’ve recently started feeling the power pocket. To where 350-370 ft now feels like what 300 foot shots felt like one year ago
The elbow is very underappreciated im the throw
I'm optimistic that will be the case for me as well. It finally feels like my left arm and legs will impact the throw.
Fantastic progress, thanks for sharing!
Love this channel, thanks for the high quality content
Loved this video. Great work, I'd love to see more!
I love these types of videos! Congratulations!
REALLY love this. Great video and explanation. Love the progress.
Simulations like that will definitely convince nerds like me and my friends to correct misconceptions! I'd love to see more :)
Awesome vid!! I am very excited for this continued journey!
This video is incredible!! One of the best form growth videos I’ve seen, and that simulation of the throw was super awesome I’ve always wanted to see what that would look like!
Fantastic video and breakdown of the process!
This was great insight on your personal journey. Thanks! This was insightful.
Awesome to witness you tackling your challenges. Love to see it,
Great job sketch
You have great content man. I follow everything you post.
This is an excellent video. Thanks for taking the time to share your journey and I'll definitely be sharing this around!
Really reallly great video. thank you for taking the time to do this, and make such a good video and tutorial. Really well thought out and well shot. Really enjoyed the animations part =) =D Congratulations on the new PR =D
Great information, many thanks!
Well done! Thanks for sharing your journey and your technical insights!
absolutely incredible video. this is objectively one of the best tools for learning disc golf as well as improving your game. i smashed all the buttons my dude great video
That’s awesome! Tons of work in that I see congrats and good luck
Great video. Thank you for your time and dedication ⛓🥏⛓
Well spoken and explained, thank you very much!
Thanks for making this video, i'm getting insights that will take my hobby further
Incredible video! Thank you for relaying the information you found in an easy to understand way! So cool to see the progress like this with those simulations. You’re brilliant!
Fantastic video!!! Love hearing I’m not the only one with distance struggles. Keep grinding!
This is EXCELLENT. Thank you.
Great video! Thanks for sharing
Fantastic breakdown! Thanks for taking so much time to go into detail about what you learned. This has helped my drives already.
Bravo! I really enjoyed your work and the way you share it with us. Thanks so much
Excellent insights, this video encouraged me a great deal!
This is an amazing journey. I am just starting to really focus on bettering my form and you have opened my eyes to a much better understanding. I've watched a lot of really good form videos that have taught me what I need to change, but this video somehow pulls it all together for me. Thank you for sharing your experience!
Excellent video. Thank You.
"It's really difficult to bring up the muscle memory to have a consistent throw, when you are constantly making changes to your form". Couldn't agree more! :D. Very good vide and I really like the blender animations, they really explain things well!
For what it's worth, I was listening to a book "the brain always wins" where they discuss 'muscle memory' and suggest that repetitions of any kind are helpful. In other words, you don't need to be out in a field throwing discs to improve (I could argue this could be worse if you are throwing with poor form, you could injure yourself). If you know what you are aiming to do, focused imagining of what you want to do can help you improve as well. That, along with drills as you suggested with a towel should make your fieldwork and course play a well-rounded set of mental and physical reps to improve.
@@dwmichaels Yes, I agree, and have heard this 30 years ago when I was training athletics at a relatively high level where the mental game is also an important factor (and also have a long history of coaching). I do a lot of visualisation, mostly as a coping mechanism for ADHD (I need to think about something exciting to improve my dopamine levels). This is how I learn new sports quickly (martial arts etc.) but I have never struggled with a technique as much as I have struggled with the disc golf backhand. I can do the correct motion with a towel or without anything, but as soon as I get a disc in my hand timing changes completely. I still just can't do what I know I should be doing. But sometimes a longer rest helps, and I think I'm just thinking too much. But as long as the "new" technique does not come naturally, I see no other option. But my friend has improve enormously once we started playing together as I have coached him with what I know (but cannot do myself) :D
@@creativeflyfishing998 Yeah, there seem to be some basic techniques that are "simple" for some and "virtually fkng impossible" for others. I've been trying for > 15 years. I can throw a disc the same distance with less effort, but not further :(
@@dwmichaels sounds familiar yes, at least I know there is hope 🤔😂
Wow what a great video man! Thank you so much
Absolutely one of the very best videos anywhere on the internet on improving the back hand! Thank you!!
Fellow 125m max guy here.
I see that your head is pointed 90 degrees away from your target. One thing that has been working for me is to look at the target for as long as I can before throwing. This helps me to not reach back too early. Also helps me with not taking a huge x-step and over rotating my hips and torso. It makes everything faster in a way which was what I needed to fix my timing (at least improve) . It also helped with accuracy, which makes sense for obvious reasons.
I will definitely watch this video again and try to improve on many of the good points you make here. GL on your journey to 150m
Such a great video! Way to stick with it and thank you for sharing your findings. Your explanation was very fluid and easy to understand. Again, Thank you
This was a great video and process of learning how to throw better. Will be sending and sharing with many friends! Well done my man, Well Done. got another sub from me. cant wait for update of 150m.
So glad this video came up in my feed. Definitely a few gems in this video that I'll be chewing on and applying to my throws. Really great video!!
Congratulations and thank you for making this video. I've watched a few videos to help improve my distance and yours makes the most sense to me.
Fantastic video and explanation. I really loved this content and would love to see more experiments/analysis with the simulation as many others have said. Well done.
Such an interesting and enlightening video! Had to watch it twice to pick up so much detail. I really like the way you showed the injection of the back arm.
Well done and thank you! 🙏
Well done!! Absolutely love the dissection of your journey! Will absolutely try and film myself more!!! Thanks!
Great viedo! Thank you for this. You explained a lot of things that I think I have felt when getting some longer throws but now understand why they felt better and what to focus more in the future.
This is an awesome video, definitely taking notes!
Really good video! Thank you so much for this
Fantastic Video! amazing detailed and nuanced development of your understanding of the form and technique, very helpful! keep up the good work. Thank you!
man there is so much gold in this video! Second time watching and it makes me so motivated to learn the proper form. So many people tell me how smooth my form looks, but for me it is always so nerve wracking to throw and I dont throw very far either. Right now I have to get on top of an injury in my chest that I think I got from disc golf, and then I will try to do the same as you!:)
Thanks for the great video. Really enjoyed your documentation of your journey. Great explanations. I am still learning and realize it will take a lot of time to get good, but I am enjoying the journey so far. Good luck and wishing you continued success.
Great explanation of how you learnt things, very helpful. Thanks
Super fascinating video. Love looking in depth at body mechanics please do more!
Eureka! These are break through details and your explanations are spot on. I can't wait to try these. I'm an instant subscriber and look forward to your coming content.
Really great video, rewatched my own videos on my form and figuerd out I had the same problem with the run up. This helped a tonn thanks!
This was really useful! I'm at where you were in the beginning of the video. Let's hope your sharing this will make it easier for me. Thank you!
I'm just hitting the 6:18 mark and what you are describing is exactly where I feel like I am at. thank you for making such a relatable video...earned that sub my man!
I love the fact that you took your time to explain everything into details
Just watched your video and thoroughly enjoyed. I just started on my journey and love the discovery that comes with disc. I cannot wait to go out and throw and try out some of your swing thoughts.
Dude, amazing video! I’ve only been playing a few months but this makes so much sense to me, more so than any other video I’ve watched. I’ll seriously pay you to coach me.
Side note, I can’t help but notice all the equipment in the background. Is that you on the keys!? Amazing!
Great information and technical throwing
one of the most objective, and best delivered sources of dg form info. :thumbsup:
Great video! Very useful how you went through the progression from a beginner to where you are now. It's easier to relate and learn from than some videos from pros!
Thank you for a very thorough description of how you improved your form. There are a lot of really good "aha moments" that I hope to replicate. Super bonus points for the Blender animation and congrats on reaching 120+ meters! :-D
Great work and thank you. Seriously. Great education
Finally, a video for us everyday people out there that really explains and opens the feels and executions of what little ah hah moments for real improvement.
Great video!
This was a really great and helpful instructional video! To se what you've been struggling with and how you make change's and progress was easier to take in instead of just watching clinic's from the pro's. Tack you for that. :D
I really liked your video. I am 5’8”, 56 years old, having undergone multiple spine surgeries and had to give up ball golf. I started playing in May and could only throw 100’. I now can sometimes throw 230’ - 240’ but that’s all, more consistent around 170’ - 180’. My form is very inconsistent, having much to work on and this video gave me a lot of food for thought. Thank you.
This video is so good. There are so many things in this that I try to explain to my group and I will be sharing for sure. Thank you for making this
One of the first videos I’ve seen that actually went over more than just the very basics and explains it well, thank you.
Very clear instructions on what worked for you. Good job
Man, this is good! Very good!
One of the best videos on this subject I’ve seen! Great work and thanks a lot! I could really use a same kind of video of putting technique 😅
Loistavaa! This was the most analytical, but still the most understable video about backhand drive. Great explanation on the time line of improvement and the details. I believe I have to rethink my form also, because I have stuck on the 90-95m marker. This was really helpful and motivating.
This was great. I’ve been obsessing over my form for a few years now, with small breakthroughs along the way very much like you. This was helpful, and also inspiring. Thank you!
Great video - thanks for the depth and multitude of tips.
Amazing video! So well done and impressive to see how much time and effort your put in to understand the technique so well. I'm currently in that 330-350 foot slump so I'll definitely be implementing your techniques as I know I've still got another 100 feet in me. Thanks for posting!
Thank you so much for making this video. Sent this way by Simon Lizotte. I'll have to use your method!
I think that was the most enjoyable CZcams video Ive ever watched. Your explanations were very eloquently put. So easy to follow and made so much sense
Ive been working on the same things, so its very inpiring to see others doing the same. Also, i think your form looks really clean and effortless👍🏻
I started playing last June at the age of 50. I started off with the "start the lawnmower" pull style of throwing that everyone seems to teach new people. I started instituting one change at a time to my throws and I am now up to the point where I can throw a 9 speed a little over 300 feet regularly at age 51. I am not tall (5'9") and have slightly shorter arms than my height would usually suggest. I look forward to getting better distance with more control as I keep making progress.
Bravo man! That was extremely helpful and informative.
This video was awesome! I'm stuck at 100 m myself so I will use this video to try to improve my distance. I especially found the simulations was really educational. Interesting experiments and results you found with the simulations. Keep it up! Hope to see more videoes where you have improved your distance or just your form to get more accurate shots🙂
Great video. We have had pretty much the same journey except the right shoulder position change. Brilliant!
Great progress by you and a great video. Thanks for sharing your intel!
this was amazing almost brought tears to my eyes. I'm currently going through this same process.
This video is nothing short of amazing! Thank you for all the work you put into this. Sharing your cycles of progress, struggles, epiphanies, and success is incredible! An absolute CZcams gem!