Geely’s 1 Million mile LFP Short Blade Battery is the safest battery in the world
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Geely owns a number of car manufacturers, Volvo and Polestar are two. These batteries will be game changers for all Geely owned manufacturers.
Let's not forget Zeekr.
"Geely’s 1 Million mile LFP Short Blade Battery is the safest battery in the world" YT video put out by "The Electric Viking" channel a day ago. Of course, Toyota, world's most indebted company, was caught flat-footed in terms of EV adoption & has had to beg for partnerships with Chinese companies to manufacture EV's for them.
Shorter Blade batteries allows many configurations of Battery packs and 800V architecture ( faster Charging Speed ) which is the new direction for EVs. Plus Smaller batteries into smaller EVs.
Exactly. And even more than one plug lol. Charge multiple batteries at the same time at the same two plug stall.
How do you achieve 800 Volt Isolation for Service and Repair of this BEV System ?.
This is amazing news. Cars with these battery packs need to be able to plug into other cars and houses. They need to charge other cars to eliminate range anxiety. They need to power your house in case of blackouts. If they can go for a million miles, they have much more untapped capability.
Well it's great news , I hope it come in the market soon .
just like all baterries what he talk about for years
Just another load of BS from the Chinese.
Solar battery storage manufacturers are selling LFP batteries that are guaranteed to maintain 90% of their capacity after 10 years or 6000 cycles. The chemistry of these cells should be very similar to these Geely batteries. If your solar system charged your LFP backup batteries every single day, it would take 16.4 years to reach 6000 cycles. So, the solar LFP batteries should easily last 20 years or more while maintaining 90% of their capacity. I think that the EV world is just now starting to understand the potential of the LFP design. CATL's newest batteries that mimic solid-state design capacities, charging speeds and durability are based on an advanced LFP design. In the near future, LFP batteries will dominate the EV world and it is likely that some of the first solid-state batteries will be LFP hybrids.
I think that you would be wrong. Just check the high Nickel(90% or more) ingredient NCM or NCMA battery out which is most suitable for electric vehicles.
@@geoquestprime9447 Actually, there are websites that track the real-time degradation of Tesla vehicles. The LFP batteries degrade the least over time. The NCM and NCMA batteries are not as durable.
I have a used 2022 Tesla Model 3 with 79,000 miles on it. Reccurent rates it at 95% of its capacity, but I don't think that it takes into account that my car has 19" wheels. Recurrent tracks actual EV statistics. My car will get between 225 - 250 miles on a full charge. The 19" wheels decrease the total range from 272 miles to 246 miles. So my car's actual battery capacity is approximately 96% - 97%.
If I drive with 10 miles of the speed limit and the weather is temperate, it is possible for me to get 250 miles out of a full charge. I typically drive more aggressively, and so I get around 225 miles on a charge. But range depends on a lot of factors.
Now, Tesla's non-LFP batteries are probably the best in the industry, but they are not as good as the LFP batteries. That is why Elon Musk is working with CATL to build a factory in the US to produce CATL's new ground-breaking LFP battery which is supposed to have 620 miles of range and charge in 15 minutes. CATL has taken the LFP battery and improved it.
We see that LFP batteries have literally taken the solar battery industry by storm. Nearly every solar vendor no longer even sells storage batteries that are not LFP. Further, Tesla's new Powerwall 3 uses LFP battery technology and the warranty has been extended from 10 years to 25 years.
So I am pretty sure that I am correct on this subject. Tesla is abandoning its NCM batteries to switch to LFP. But it cannot do it instantly, it is transitioning as quickly as possible away from NCM batteries to LFP and possibly, new solid-state battery technology that is already in production from other companies.
@@geoquestprime9447 Tesla's new Powerwall 3 uses LFP battery chemistry, and the warranty went from 10 years to 25 years after the change to LFP batteries was made. When you consider longevity, NCM and NCMA battery chemistries are inferior. That being said, all of Tesla's batteries do a great job of maintaining their capacity. However, LFP batteries dominate the industry in longevity right now. Model S cars with Tesla's early batteries lose about 20% of their capacity over (approximately) 200,000 miles. LFP batteries are maintaining over 90% of their capacity after 200,000 miles. Some are maintaining 95% of their capacity. They also are much more durable when you charge them. You can charge them to 100% and it's actually good for them. They are not as good in very cold weather, but all EV batteries being used currently degrade significantly in cold weather.
There are websites that track actual EV battery longevity and LFP batteries are by far the best.
Interesting in how fast the battery market is changing this year. I'm. Still waiting for Tesla to adopt a newer chemistry for its RWD models and reduce the price again.
Check out Sakuu's metal free batteries. They are lighter, thinner and have no casing, so should be easier to build into an EV battery pack. Sandy Munro did a short presentation of them. Battery technology is progressing at such a break neck speed that ICE will come to a screeching halt, most likely by 2030 for most new passenger cars.
When they did the nail penetration test without it catching fire, did they mention what state of charge the battery had? That would be pretty significant information.
Watt-hours! Finally! 🎉
From simple mental arithmetic, starting at -40°C being -40°F: A temperature of -30°C is -22°F.
Hi Sam,
You mentioned at the beginning that the battery had some downsides, but the weren't in your opinion very important. You didn't however go into what the downsides were compared to other batteries.
Compared to high-nicker NCM or NCMA batteries (Nickel 90% or more), which are currently a game-changer as batteries for electric vehicles, the disadvantages of LFP batteries are as follows.
The disadvantage of the LFP battery is that, due to its battery characteristics, it is not suitable for an automotive battery that requires high charge and high discharge C-Rtae. If such an instantaneous high charge/discharge situation occurs, in the worst case it may cause a fire. Another important drawback is that at temperatures below zero Celsius, the power characteristics are almost halved and the driving range is also halved. The unit volume/weight energy density is also much lower than that of high-nicker NCM or NCMA batteries. In other words, because of these shortcomings, the LFP batteries are used as ESS batteries rather than automobile batteries. Soon, Sodium batteries will even replace LFP batteries as ESS batteries. This is because, despite having a similar energy density to the LFP battery, the low-temperature characteristics of the Sodium battery are much better.
Wait one week and there’ll be a NEW "best battery" technology. Then a week later…
Fantastic, isn't it?!
If this is western company they prefer to release technology by 5 years and increase the price, bc why inovate so fast when you have no competition in past?? The aim is money and acquire more asset.
@@mb-3faze No, it is not, it is all crap!
EV tech >>>>>>ICE tech
@@larryc1616 EVS are crap.
Good to see the cycle life has been further improved, but what about the calander life?
Sam - could you explain the standard the battery companies use for "charge cycle". For example, you mention this battery can be charged 3,500 times. Is that a 0-80% (or 100%) charge, or does a partial charge count. This is relevant because most of the time, people are charging EVs at home overnight and probably add only a small fraction of the total KWH a battery can hold. For example, I average adding about 20-25% charge to my model s each night. In my situation, does the 20-25% charge constitute a "charge cycle" or would it be 1/4 of a cycle?
This is relevant because 3,500 cycles is only 9.59 years (3,500/365 - assuming daily charging counts as a cycle).
Cycles are always for full charges from 0-100% dod. Not partial cycles and only the complete amount of kwh from empty to full counts as 1 complete cycle of the pack. 👍🏻
charged always assumed at 100%. Thats why you can have long lasting NMC with 1000 cycles as long you never charge it above 80%.
LFP = 0-100% and 3500 charges to 80% capacity left.
Do you really think he knows? He just reads others' articles 😁
Just adding to the other replies, you can see why 3,500 cycles is easily two or more decades of battery life.
Dude, I love your studies… this is amazing, extremely passionate & it’s so infectious
-30 deg that’s normal here in Finland in the winter 😂
Tengo una pregunta, si la batería no se usa, igual se degrada igual por el paso del tiempo? O poniéndolo de otra forma, cuántos años dura una batería aunque no se use?
Problem with BYD long blade is that LFP have lower voltage which make it harder to fast charge. But they are cheap and durable.
Can't have the benefit of both worlds.
@@PyroShields eh, not yet but there are technologies that are showing promise in that direction.
When will this amazing battery be available in Canada and in what car?
The one that interests me is the CATL condensed matter battery with a density of 400 to 500 watts per liter, so you could get better range without weight penalty . There are a very limited number of chargers with charge rates that right now that allow these improved charge rates.
Yes, but keep in mind that 550 kW is the peak charging on a huge battery I presume. With a smaller (smarter) sized battery, I guess the charging wouldn't be 550 kW.
And it goes down with the battery filling up. So if you have a 250 kW charger, you might have only 250 kW ... but during the whole charging process ... which is already great (42 kW every 10 minutes).
It's misleading to talk about the peak charging power as it depends on the size of the battery. In my EV, the battery is 66 kWh and charges at 150 kW ... I could have a 1'500 kW charging speed if the battery was 660 kWh ...
@@johngonon1507 He's talking about the actual storage capacity for it's size, not the charging speed. Also charging speed doesn't just depend on capacity to that extent. The base chemistry of the battery matters more and size just influences that somewhat.
500 wH/kg rather than per litre - it's gravimetric denisity that is the being increased in batteries, their volume isn't that critical as they already sufficiently energy dense in that respect. It's kind of the opposite of hydrogen that has very high wH/kg but very low wH/ltr, where they are seeking to increase the wH/ltr by liquifying the gas.
The condensed battery is also targetting different markets at the moment, such as static storage, electric planes and possibly vans/freight EVs, where charging time is less critical. It's CATLs previous Qilin (255wH/kg NMC chemistry) and newer fast charging Shenxing batteries (205wH/kg LFP / 4C charging) that are targetted towards BEVs. The smaller pack size of the Shenxing batteries should also enable 1,000km range cars.
@@nfzeta128 He actually wrote 2 sentences and the second speaks about charging speed. The packs are composed of cells. The cell is the limiting factor for charging speed (chemistry, cooling, etc ...), but since they are charged in parallel, the more you have cells, the bigger charging speed for the whole battery you can have. So size of the battery (which is proportional to the number of cells) does matter.
The same can be said for battery life. The bigger the battery, the more km you can do before reaching its end of life (more km per cycle) ... but you still have the ageing of the batteries, so it's not as proportional.
Old news - the current Tesla LFP packs are already rated for 4000+ charge cycle equivalents
Do we have the charging infrastructure to charge these new batteries at the claimed speed?
Cars will become multi generational-handed down.They will be updated continually over the air and maybe have decoration kits/skins to upgrade their looks
This is a great battery - now if we get lower costs and maybe even a little more improvement in energy density it will be obvious even to ICE defenders that the it’s simply better
ICE defenders lost the argument when 2023 battery tech increased EV range to +300 miles, now they are just looking ridiculous.
@@PETERJOHN101 ICE defenders are grasping at straws.
When is it going into the new Model Tesla Y?
Trucks!! And busses too! Im looking forward for more EV adaption
Damn… is only a beginning of the technology
When you purchase an electric vehicle, you must check whether the vehicle is equipped with an NCM or NCMA type of battery with a high nickel percentage (90% or more).
Among existing battery types, the ultra-high Nickel ingredient NCM or NCMA has not only the highest energy density and the best low-temperature characteristics but also the fastest charging speed. Moreover, cost efficiency, i.e. price per unit volume/weight considering energy density, would be better.
Due to fundamental technical characteristics, LFP batteries are not suitable for electric vehicles that require a high C-Rate (high current charging/discharging). So LFP battery is not stable in such high C-rate environments in cars and it may cause fire.
Instead, an LFP battery is more suitable for ESS (Energy Storage System). The LFP battery will be replaced with a sodium battery soon because the low-temperature characteristics of a sodium battery are much better than that of an LFP battery.
You all need to keep this in mind.
I wish they would combine this with battery leasing. Then a person on a budget could lease a slightly used battery and a richer person would trade in to get the latest and the greatest every 2 years. This would make entry level EVs more affordable.
Short blade battery is unable to be composable as part of the car, which means Cell-To-Body or CTB tech is unapplicable, which means it will always give a poorer internal height comparing to CTB cars. Also, blade battery is secure on the same level, shorter or longer, piecing through 1 needle or piecing through 10 needles. They are about the same because no big changes internally. Lastly, Geely's short blade battery, as shown in the tech details of Chinese industry website, has 150 compacity (not 190 as Geely says itself, they trick the calculation method to confuse consumers), which is only a bit better than BYD first gen blade battery (145). The BYD's battery has evolved a lot since (first gen is five years ago) and it's going to release blade battery Gen2. I think many companies are doing well in tech, but Geely tends to be the wired one which always likes bragging about itself. When you check the accurate numbers on Chinese official website. Those things don't match and it has a very big leap than Geely advertises! Honestly, I can't say I like this.
A boast that Chinese people like.
Don't be fooled by their propaganda.
I think we need batteries that will last the life of the car but we also need some that make the tradeoff of only lasting 150k km but have performance in other areas. Maybe charging faster? Also, if the battery were cheaper to replace maybe $1,200 exchange for a refurbished one after 100k km it wouldn't need to last as long. The most I've even kept a gas car was 240km and I got all of the value out of it for what I paid.
For an EV, the life of the battery **is** the life of the car. Current battery tech is now superior to legacy automaker fabrication of the platform and chassis. ICE is dying.
@@PETERJOHN101 If batteries get cheap enough to replace the life of the battery won't be the life of the car. I predict they will get cheaper to replace in time, and maybe even be upgradable.
@@frankcoffey If you're going to replace the battery of a car might as well buy a new car. This argument is ridiculous.
@@PyroShields It depends on the condition of the rest of the car. There are people who tear up every part of their car inside and out in 5 years and there are people who take very good care of them and they are still good.
@@frankcoffey If the engine goes in your car and it's old you replace the car.
However if you're EV is 5 years old and less than 100k miles. Tesla will change the battery if there is something wrong with it.
Frankly, the power efficiency of ICE cars will be severely affected by the time it pass 150k km. Anything that last 300k km is already fantastic to me.
yea most ICE cars over 150k have a lot of fuel efficiency problems and then all the other small problems of the fuel line and combustion engine which causes noise problems, driving problems etc.
I don’t think you guys (or girls) know much about cars. I have a 2006 Golf with 202K on the clock and a 1995 Daihatsu with 200K. My mate’s 1997 Land Cruiser has 380K. All 3 vehicles are used every day and maintenance has just been annual oil changes, filters, brake pads and tyres. Totally reliable, no issues. Another mate has a 1968 Valiant that has done 650K and he still uses it every day, tows a trailer to work sites (electrician). My neighbour Stan, recently dumped his 2023 BYD Atto 3, lost thousands on the deal. Car was absolutely appalling, fell apart. He bought a new Toyota RAV 4 Hybrid.
@@MrPropanePete See there is your issue you're comparing work trucks to passenger sedans.
Not to mention this is totally anecdotal as overall that's not going to be the case for those vehicles at that mileage. Also I bet all lost a lot of fuel efficiency.
@@nfzeta128 Still get the same mpg as when they were new.
@@MrPropanePete wait this the same person lying again?
No car keeps the same mpg as new. NONE.
At most you may not notice as it happens gradually.
Good stuff, get battery tech sorted & EV's will sell themselves
Range isn't an issue anymore, it's mainly about charging rates.
@@PETERJOHN101 I think it's more about price than charging rates. Very few people use anywhere near the max charging rates available. It's to the point where charging stations need to catch up to the charging rates that cars allow.
I think now that EVs will remove the huge ice car limitations even in Siberia and northern North America.
Where are you going to find a 550kw charger.
Where is the heat going when you charge at that rate.
When you cant get spares or find any places to service your vehicle what difference does it make.
Volvo uses blade bateries and they catch fire just by looking at them.
Obviously!!!
Heat dissipation has been solved by battery fabrication, not at the charging station. As for fires, that is far more likely in ICE cars than EVs, especially Tesla.
True statement: "The best EV battery in the world known to Sam as of on or about July 03 2024". Updated aka replaced with new latest greatest somewhat regularly.
Sourced reports, dude.
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Sounds like a good battery
Lifespan of the vehicle itself will be the issue.
There are fewer moving parts in an EV than in an ICE vehicle. And the battery certainly is the most expensive part. What parts would you expect in future EVs to limit the life span, other than the battery? I think that mechanics of ICE vehicles might be able to service/replace them?
@@liveslowsailfastonlanier1374 still has parts that will deteriorate over time. Unless the owner wishes to continually put money into it. I’d say 1 million km you’d need new seats, steering wheel, suspension, motors and have to contend with a lot of rust.
@@liveslowsailfastonlanier1374 SAIC already willing to give lifetime battery warranty because other components will be damaged/destroyed before the battery reach acceptable degradation.
Batteries and motors will last longer than the body +20 years
@@paulb1951
If batteries outlast the overall construction of the vehicle, that makes EVs superior to their ICE counterparts.
This is impressive but what EV's have this battery?
He said in the video. Geely cars in china. Maybe also Zeekr.
No Sam I have it in my car 😆
But you said, you don't drive 🤔
From what I'm seeing the battery safety tests are structured to generate the desired results. I'm not seeing battery behaviour under crash test conditions where battery output leads and terminals will be compromised. You can make a fuel tank safe in and of itself but put it in a vehicle and crash it to see what might generate a fire or explosion.
BYD drppedit fro height, ran over it with 😢truck then put it back in a car. It worked fine.
@@markhartung1190 That's not a crash test in a vehicle. I can beat the crap out of a battery with little to no reactions. Stick two terminals together and I've got a welder.
The ICE fanbois will blow a fuse over this.
I hope Tesla will use them within 2 years. Safety, Longevity, and quick charging! That’s truly a game changer! Seriously!
Is there a 500k mile warranty? Otherwise, all words are meaningless.
EV you tubers really have a lot of faith in Geely 's marketing department. i bet these little shits will still catch on fire like the rest.
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If this is warrantied for 1,000,000 miles, and it's manufactured affordably, then it's really a game changer. The removes one of the two real issues with BEV's, replacement cost of the high voltage battery.
It doesn't beacuse failure of the high voltage battery is not a real issue.
Tesla tracks the health of the battery in all of its cars. About 6 months ago it released the data on the battery health of its cars at 200k and failure rate was under 1%.
A 1m mile warrenty would be nice to have but in reality it would make no difference because just as now, for almost all drivers, the battery will outlive the car
@Alantj22 I have two different coworkers, in the last 5 years, who have failed Tesla battery packs out of warranty. It certainly is an issue to them.
@@GOLFandWRX Unlucky. The full data was been published and independantly analysed. My Model S replaced a BMW M5 that by the time it had clocked up 80k miles had also clocked up over £25k in out of warranty repair bills.
No such thing as a 1 million miles warranty and never will be. Come to reality.
@@PyroShields CATL could easily introduce one. It would shut up the idiots still claiming that EV batteries need replacing every few years and cost them almost nothing as hardly any cars do anything like 1m miles.
Would the Americans buy this battery to put on their EVs or r they not allowed?
You can't battery swap. Best option buying a car with this battery.
Afternoon mate
Geely 👌
Imagine the energy density boost if they only added in the M into LFP
NIO is the only EV company capable of installing the latest battery technology in 3 minutes in vehicles that were produced years ago. Probably the only EV with resell value greater than an ICE car.
Big deal. The Nio business plan, based on EVs having very short ranges, is bust. Having to hold a very large inventory of fully charged batteries to handle the worst case use case, e.g. start of the holiday period, makes it unprofitable.
@@rogerphelps9939 Your comment suggests you know nothing about NIO
The proof is in the putting; one really can't judge safety by lab tests. You must have years of driving real roads and drivers before such claims are proven.Pleanty of BYDs have caught fire recently using blade batteries ; not necissarily these short blades but none the less a bit question about making them shorter really improving safety. Only time will tell.
EV fires start from damages done to the battery, salt water contamination or defective batteries and not from age.
@@PyroShields Dendrites grow at random inside lithium cells; more time means more chances. A Dendrite can strike & short a Lithium battery brand new or years later. Examples Falicity Ace fire; sinks a giant ship w 4000 luxury cars on board - brand new Porsche BEV, just parked. 10 BYD dealerships have burnt to the ground. Search BYD fires; you'll see brand new BYDS on the carrier on the way to the dealership on fire. The recent factory fire in Korea that killed 22 people. These are all brand new never or barely driven ; Tested good; charged one time at the factory, sitting doing nothing.
Did your wife are Ok?
Sanction, ban, and put tariff on this in America.
No! We want affordable and high quality EV's! All of them here tariff free! 🇺🇲
I appreciate the sarcasm mixed with the reality of our idiot politicians.
Chinese legendary build quality. No mention of our fire-fighters exponentially increasing callout rates to attend L-ion fires. Be warned these costs will be passed through to the public.
Internal Combustion Engines are dinosaur caveman campfire "burn something for energy" technology. RIP. 🎉😂
Taxi battery
All batteries are coming from the same place: china, and it is not a good sign.
Incorrect SMDH. Tesla and Panasonic had the world's first ev gw scale factory open in late 2016 in Nevada.
It was the single largest cell plant until catl surpassed it in late 2021.
The U.S. along with korea&Japan has a LOT of cell capacity built out and supplying over 30% of global ev supply without relying on China!
U.S. alone by 2028 will have enough locally sourced&built ev cells to supply 8,000,000+evs and over 12,000,000 evs by 2030-2032.
Not even counting teslas 4680 cell plans which are good for another 2,500,000-4,000,000+evs. 😎
Competition is great! Goodbye legacy auto!
While CATL and BYD are no 1 and 2? I think you should stoop watching Falun Gong cult channel like China Observer.
Geely also makes the least reliable cars out there
Shut up
If the battery would be fine in used EV (after 200 000miles), then the battery full 100% warranty must be the same for example 300-500 000 miles or 25 years. If manufacturers will not offer long warranty for battery, consumers will not trust that replacement is not necessary for old EV/battery.
LFP already cheap and some give you life time warranty.
@@yulusleonard985 Please inform me, which EV-brand will offer much longer 100% full warranty (than 8 years)? Also give some information about the brand which using on their cars LFP batteries and cheap battery replacement cost for EV.
@@iSot80 SAIC. MG4/Wuling standard range are using LFP, long range and X-power using NMC. At least in my area but they are now start offering lifetime for LFP almost everywhere. It just this year LFP reach rock bottom price and they start getting aggressive with promotion.
@@yulusleonard985 Ok, so 100% lifetime warranty for EV battery. That is what consumers need.
@@iSot80 Isn't an 8 year warranty long enough? You can't get 8 years on an ICE vehicle.
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Phew that's a relief. I thought you had gone!
No it isn't. What a stupid title.
Another day, another wounder battery that will not see light of day
Next week you will be putting out some lie about some other company making a better product.
Based on what evidence? What other lies has he told in his videos? Go back to inhaling fumes from your ICE automobile.
safest battery on the world, you could say that after 10 years or after someone will have 1,6milion km and not from ass paper specs
they have tested the battery, bozo.
@@PyroShields which one from his tales are not tested thru years are better question !? every battery include those of 500wat per kg or 720, or 1200 and so on!! only problem are why we still have shitty lithium then
@@Mr11ESSE111 Batterry fires happen from it being damaged, salt water or defective and not from age.
@@PyroShields if damage are litle scratch and most are then its shit and again why donkeys dont protect them better !? after all they charge well everything
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I don't believe what chinese says until I see the product (s).