New Toyota GR 86 vs Honda S2000 Drag Race! Old School vs New School...who's faster?
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- Note: The Honda S2000 is completely stock, and was fitted with brand new tyres before the race. It's an awesome question, and it turns out the answer is just as awesome. Luckily we have an S2000 in the wider Cars.co.za car collection, and when the new Toyota GR 86 came along, we thought we just had to pull off this race. And we are delighted to share it with you...here we go!
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00:00 Intro
03:14 First Race
04:54 Second Race
06:16 Third Race
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S2000 still continues to prove that it’s been the real deal for over 20yrs, good stuff Honda!
Because it beat the cheapest and lowest powered sports coupe available today?
@@19hundoc47 Because it beat a similarly priced vehicle with a larger engine (2.0L vs. 2.4L) marketed towards the same customer base that came out 24 years later, and you can't even blame emissions regs. How does your 24 year old computer compare to today? How about a 24 year old f-150 compared to today? Because the ap1 s2000 went on sale in 1999; that's why it's impressive.
@@P4NC4K35 lol not even close dude. The s2k was 33k new back in 99? That’s 60k in todays dollars. So now compare the s2k to a 3.0 Supra and there’s your fair dollar to dollar fight. 33k today for an 86 was 20k back in 1999. So explain to me again how the s2k beating an 86 is impressive lol
@@19hundoc47 S2k is around 20 euro where i live sometimes 15 k lol
@@19hundoc47s2000 here are around 35-40k Cad. New GT86s are 45-50k Cad… go find me a 33k gt86 in todays market please. There’s something called msrp and the actual mark up cost.
Extremely impressed how the S2000 still holds up today.
Well, the s2000 was in the Boxter, BMW Z3 category of sports cars when released in 2000, not entry level like a Miata for example. The GR86 is the entry level sports car of today that finally caught up to the mid segment sports cars from 20 years ago.
yea no fucking shit it was competing with the porsche boxsters,
@@30hours51 Porsche boxster shouldn't be held as a reference. Even the 200 HP front wheel drive Integra beats the boxster around a track. It was a terrible car.
Keep in mind the s2k was a 60-65k car in todays equivalence..
It's racing the second slowest sports car in today's market. It's not that impressive...
This was probably the best drag race I've seen in two decades... WoW... what a finish...
We're so glad to hear this. Thanks for watching
Look up gr86 vs mk4 supra
Facts!
lol
S2000 is such a gem of a car. The F20C is an engineering masterpiece too. Great races, especially the last one.
I rode in a S2000 a decade and a half ago once and was hooked from the start. Still an incredible machine regardless of age. I love it and still want one eventually. Amazing video Ciro and Ash!!
GR86 with 4 seats and trunk is a winner to me. More useable/practical. Lived with various mr2s over the years. Having a sportscar that can do more than just weekend fun is great.
I packed a bunch of luggage and went on a 4000+ mile road trip in my s2000. Just don't pack a hard shell suitcase for the airport and you'll be able to do 90% of the daily stuff you could with a civic.
Honestly, the two don't even compare to me. The GR86 is somewhat practical but the driving experience of the S2k completely outshines the GR86 in every way IMO.
@@nycyabber7103outshines is a stretch. Gr86 is honestly a future classic. If nostalgia isn't a factor, I don't really see why you'd pick an s2k over a brand new gr86.
@@alexc7864 Idk I was shopping for a new GR86 and ended up with a S2k. Wasn't even shopping for an S2k but once I drove it compared to all the GR86s I test drove, I wanted nothing else. It was that much better to me.
This is one of the most amazing drag races I've seen!! And it is between two simple 200HP cars!! Not some supercars!
20 years old and the Honda still more than holds its own! I love my S2000!
At least Toyota is still making sports cars we can buy today.
Also the fact that we have it in SA.
100 percent. People complain Abt brz and GR but we are lucky to have Toyota make these amazing handling cars at affordable price..
Toyota isnt doing anything but rebadging cars lets be clear lmao toyota has lost its MOJO
@@chevyss934 oh ok , well I really enjoy the GR86 and thoroughly glad I got a new one. I’m glad that Toyota partnered with Suburu with engineering the car they designed.
@@CrimsonOrguss toyota didn't do ntn but slapped a badge on the car and changed cosmetics on the outside lol
F20C, greatest NA 2.0 L engine of all time. Period.
20 years older and 20% down on displacement, still wins. Mega.
It was down to the driver, but how it held up after roughly two decades is remarkable.
bc it was built to compete with porsches, the gr86 is made to compete with the mx5.......
@@30hours51 Wrong... The S2000 was built to celebrate Honda's 50th anniversary, not to compete with porsche... Honda started the design and prototyping in 1995 almost 2 years before the boxster came out. They wanted a modern version of their S800 roadster from the 60's.
@@tracewaybos I seen the prototype. It looks pretty badass.
and it also is way less practical and doesnt have back seats
One of the best Japanese race , S2000 still keeping up with new school after 20 years is wonderful
I wouldn't say that the twins are new school
@@nicolasrosa37 I would say that, the new 2.4 is over a second faster to 60mph and does 215hp/170lb. to the wheels, gen1 can't compete without force induction. The numbers they gave (6.4s is too high, it's more like 5.8s in a drag, on the manual anyways)
As a S2000 owner, I smiled when I saw that launch, that's how you properly launch a S2000! Keep the RPM up at all cost to keep that power coming!
Yep, had to launch my AP1's at like 8500rpms to make sure you landed above 6k rpms for vtec. Otherwise you bog or land out of vtec= 1st race.
My dad has a red S2000 exactly like that one. He bought it new in 2009, one of the last to be imported before production ended. I have driven it lots over the years and it still puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. You don’t get cars like the S2000 anymore which is sad because it is such a simple machine - great chassis and handling, NA engine, short shift gearbox, relatively low weight. It is a driver’s car and it wants to be driven. It is an irreplaceable car in my opinion.
you dont get cars like that anymore ?? how about the car it was racing or mazda mx5 ??
@@rhett7716 nothing wrong with an mx5 but nothing beats an ol reliable coupe from honda. Especially the 2.4 it had at the time.
the 09 will fetch a high price if your dad decides to sell it. Problem is, any replacement is a downgrade!
04-05 is the best years, it was before they switched to electronic throttle
The S2000 reminds me why I'm a Honda fan 🏁🏁🏁
and the gr86 reminds me why i always pick toyota over honda =)
Honda makes the best 4 bangers combined with the best gear boxes.
@@notsure3535 they make fast engines but not as reliable as Toyota
@Tony Cruise Skate Ministry this is not true. I do believe the current line up of toyotas are better. But honda has a nice line up of 4 cylinders that are very potent and reliable. Toyota are just as good as far as reliability but Hondas are faster.
I'm really happy to see the S2000 punching hard but for pete's sake, this video is going to keep the second hand values high 😂 Some of us are trying to live out our 90's fantasies here!
Min 400k for one with low km like this one.
LMFAO!
Glad I got my ap1 even tho it's broken right now hahaha
@@kushlord1989 I think the GR will take an AP1, but damn for a car 20 years old with less torque and 0.4L less that is impressive. With a turbo I would bet the Honda has the advantage.
@R Camacho yea . Not with me driving tho lol
we need more showdowns like this old school vs new school
Driver skill is huge for the performance of a S2000. S2000 Driver did extremely well for his first time behind the wheel.
Facts! I agree
Right! He went gentle the first time and then realized he had to launch it high in the rev band.
I have driven too many cars in my life , but it is the S2000 deserve my admiration
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Hector is going to be running three Honda civics with spoon engines, and on top of that, he just went into Harry’s and bought three t66 turbos with nos, and a motec exhaust system.
🤣🤣
Getting old now
Get a life
Before race: This fool is running a Honda 2000. I'll win. Then me and my dad can roll together when he gets out of prison. It's all good.
After race: NO! S#!T! OH, GOD!
A couple of SR20s will pull a premium right before Race Wars!
that s2k is gorgeous
And has a beautiful sounding in-line 4 engine!
Ash is great at launching manual cars, always impressed how he is able to do it even with FWD cars.
He learned from the first launch to let the first gear rung out much later in the revs. Giving the 2nd gear a good run.
Otherwise it would have boughs down.
@nboy7, not sure if you know, neither of these 2 cars is fwd.
@@brianwkunklecih7724 he didn’t say they were😂
S2000 such a special car. Needs a super charger to take it to 250kw. Then she screams and flies!
That s2000 is so beautiful 😍, really impressive 👏🏾
THAT 3RD RACE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH WAS AWESOME!!!!! THANKS FOR THE VIDEO
That was so good to watch, 2 great cars & 2 great guys having fun
Great video! I freaking stood up from my chair at the last race cuz it was so close!
This is so great to hear! Thanks for watching
Seriously, best race I've seen on CZcams
👏👏👏
This is so great to hear, thank you!
S2000 is a beast! 20 years and still a mechanical marvel.
This was so much fun to watch!
I owned an S2000 for 12 glorious years. I also owned a BRZ for 1 year. Thanks for this awesome side-by-side. I'm impressed how the newer gen GR 86 kept up as well as it did. The older gen I owned definitely felt slow compared to my S2000. I was rooting for the Honda to win, and I'm glad it eked out victory, however close.
S2000 is at a whole different level: comes with a true double wishbone suspension, a bespoke engine, one of the best gear boxes in the world at any price and exceptional build quality. 0-60 or 1/4 times was never a priority for the s2000, but it’s interesting
to see how it measures up against the 86.
The gearboxes were only good for a few quick changes before they started grinding and crunching.
The S2k was always meant to be a special car. The twins were meant for ordinary folks who wanted a cheap daily.
@Masr ali my 05 AP2 still shifts like butter. Maybe you should learn to change gears better
@@darkknight097 mine too, works perfectly still! After 20 years, i changed the urea grease (that Honda fat stuff) and the plastic stuff just as a precaution.
@@masrali4696 My 00 S2000 has never grinded gears. My NSX on the other hand will grind second when cold.
That was exciting!!! Good driving guys!
One of the best I have seen. Really engages the viewer!
This is great to hear, thanks for watching :)
The most impressive thing is the Honda resale value.
Love races like this!
It does not need to be super fast but it is fun.
I put 120k miles on an AP1 and sold it for more than I bought it 12 years ago. Such a fun car. I just bought a GR86 that should be delivered in a few days, I just hope it's as fun as the S2k was.
hope you’re enjoying it!! just got mine it’s a blast!
Really-really awesome drag race, was really amazed with the Honda S2000 VTEC !
Great drag race 🏁 thanks
The honda driver never let's us down...well done ash
Honda - The power of dreams!
Now take em on a track or autocross course! I sat in an S2000 for Autocross and I thought I remember people saying it didn't have that much power (or maybe torque) but it impressed me, seemed pretty powerful and handled awesomely.
Look at the how low the belt line in s2k is compared to gr86. They are both one of better if not best designed front engine/rear wheel drive cars of their time but my god the s2000 has that classic old school British roadster proportion, long dash to axle short front over hang, low belt line classic E type. Due to high belt line GR86 looks more modern but proportional it looks flaw against the s2000
Oww yesss bring back them Drag races!!!!😁
By the end I didnt care who won. I thought it was a perfect race. The S2000 is THAT car. It was way ahead of it's time and still competes well against modern cars with similar power and weight. The GR is no joke either. That 2.4 boxer has given it the power it has always needed with less of the toque dip (it's still there but not as big) and increase of toque to now make it go. Excellent video
Drag races. This is what I live for 😍❤️
This was awesome💯🔥
Guys this was absolutely and truly amazing... I loved every second of it... That S2000 is a great machine.
We're so glad to hear this, thank you for watching
Great race guys.
Please show the times at the end of a drag race. Thanks.. Keep these type of races coming.
I have an AP2 2005 S2000 and I absolutely love it. I think I’ll grab a second probably an AP1 down the road to build.
I was rooting for the S 2000 all the way...
Man loved those races.
Great races
Bought an S2000 almost, gosh, 20 years ago now and this video brought back so many good memories.
S2000. One of the best sounding engines ever. Needs a k+n induction kit though.
Closest drag race by far ! Awesome 👌
What an amazing drag race. These are both phenomenal cars. Good entertainment guys 👏
Thank you so much, we're so glad you enjoyed it
Thanks so much! Thanks for watching
Both great cars! What I'm impressed more is that drone keeping up with them. 🧐
EPIC 3 races dudes!
These 2 are fairly evenly matched together regardless of the age difference in all a great video that s2000 Honda is in good shape too for its age 👍👍
Great news either way. The legend is worthy of the title, and we can still buy that performance today.
Hats off to you Mr. Ash, very well driven!
More drags like this please
Well done Ash! funny to see you pop up on my feed. Lol. Hope you're doing well!
That was great, good action!
Awesome race there gents
Really love the 3rd race
Honda s2000 is still the number 1 fastest NA 2.0 motor on the market
Well done gents
That rainbow like RPM gauge is amazing !!! I still remember my 1st ride in my buddy's S2K DAMN it was so bad ass, 9000 RPM Redline is unheard of these days in a stock production vehicle & RWD 4 banger as well
As an S2000 owner, I am soo proud to see how it keeps up with modern machinery. The S2000 is a legend and a classic. Over 20 years from launch over a 10 year production run and a birthday present to Honda itself, the S2000 can’t be beaten for a sports car. It’s amazing.
I have an older 86 and I love it... I really like the new GR86 too... but I would still choose an s2k over both... that car is a gem
my word was this interesting!!! the 86 sounds kinda good at full beans actually S2000 better for sure.
3:43 What a spectacular drone shot!
This gave me goosebumps 🥴. Ciro, if you think this GR86 is fun, I can't wait for you guys to test out the new GR Supra Manual when that launches. That is my dream. I know I've been telling you guys this for quite a few times but please do a video review of it when the car launches and comes for test. It will honestly make my heart happy. Absolutely enjoyed this video and Hannes's S2000 is a monster 👻 👽
sad to tell you that you will be dissapointed by the manual GR Surpa, it's a fat Grand Tourer and not a fun sportscar like the 86.
Beautyful to see the S2000 its an fantastic car. Wow the hole Video was so cool👍🏻trank you guys!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Epic battle. Never selling my S, but respect to all the Toyobaru operators out there.
s2000s are great cars but for a 4 seater that cost less than the 2 seater and still do what it does is amazing
@@tonycruise one car is 20 years newer. That is light years in terms of car technology
@@InTheZone85 not when it comes to power. The s2000 engine and the bmw m3 engine are few engines to make more than 100 hp per cylinder. Brz makes 230 hp out of 2.4 cyl which is not bad and I get 25 mpg, while having a back seats and a full touch screen and luxuries that the s2000 doesn’t include
@@tonycruise true, i have a s2000 and it would never go as the only car or even a daily, you also need a GR Yaris besides it for winter and shopping
What a Great Race! I enjoyed this thoroughly! If only Toyota continued developing it's iconic engines like the 4A-GE which used to rev to 8000rpm back in the day, they would have produced something truly special by now...
Toyota's iconic 4AGE engine is a copy of the British Cosworth BDA engine that had been around for quite some time back then and there's all kinds of modifications possible made to them by now.
A really good race! S2000 still got it! I driven one years ago! It handles well, sounds good and luv the VTEC!
wow very impressive clean run.
AWESOME AWESOME RACE !
WOW 👍✨✨✨✨✨!!!
that was AWESOME!!!! Very impressed by the S2K!
I expected S2000 to lose because is such a tricky car to launch . Especially for someone who doesn't drove it before. Still it has 6.0 as factory time for 0-100km/h. I did some 5.9 in my stock one few times but not every time. I have the proof on my channel.
i thought the exact same (oh no not again a S2000 drag race, we know no one can launch it) but Ash did a great job, i bet he launched it from at leaste 6k. I did a 5.5 in my S but it's a bit lighter as stock and i'm not sure if the road was really flat.
Great content
Wish you guys did a rolling race though 😅😅
While I agree the s2000 did phenomenally I just want to mention that the 09 s2000 was sold for AU70k new in Australia, whereas the gr86 and brz zd8 are selling for around 45-50k. It’s really great what Subaru and Toyota are doing at what is most likely a low profit compared to their other models 👍
No idea about US but it is really good value here in Australia
It’s great they’re making NA rear wheel drive cars but they don’t have the quality of the S2000, that’s why they were so expensive and you can still feel it now when you drive one, gearbox, engine and chassis are unreal!
The GR86 is a really good car. Toyota and Subaru have done good with the improvements to this new engine.
This is the best drag race I have ever seen! Well done to the Honda!
S2000s need to be launched hard due to all its power being in the higher rpms. In the right hands an s2000 is quick. This race had me sitting on the edge of my seat! Loved it!
Very impressive race....love that S2k....
Biggest example of driver mod for the s2000 I remember the first time driving my s2000 vs 6 years of ownership 😜
this was a great drag race , wouldn't mine seeing an 2005 C200 Merc vs Bmw 320i
I would like to know which of the two car has the faster cornering speed with equal size tires.
Good video....get them on the track next.
Wow
Very interesting
Next do a lap ;)
Love the 86… had the old one and it’s an Incredible - totally underrated - car.
S2k is Such a legendary car. I’m surprised that extra torque in the GR86 didn’t factor.
Gorgeous looking S2000.. Wow. 🙌
Great launch from both guys!
Well done! Amazing drag race
Great thanks 😊
I owned a first gen BRZ and recently got the S2000 I bought 6 months ago back on the road. It still needs work before it will be back in it's prime but I'm loving it already
That was such a excellent match! For the past 20 years I've loved and dreamed of owning a s2000 and never had another car even come close to my Infatuation of it. Until recently actually got to close to one of these gr86. I'm still on the edge of it but both really good cars. What a race tho.
We're so glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching and commenting
It’s amazing that we still measure the gold standard to a 20 year old car.
What a match!