New Toyota GR86 v Mk4 Supra: DRAG RACE
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- čas přidán 27. 02. 2023
- How’s this for a Toyota RWD drag race!
We’ve got our hands on an all-new Toyota GR86 and it’s going head-to-head against a Mk4 Supra!
So let’s see how the two compare. Starting with the GR86, it’s powered by a 2.4-litre 4-cylinder that can produce 234hp and 260Nm of torque. It’s equipped with a manual gearbox which drives the rear wheels only, and it tips the scales at 1,274kg.
In terms of the Supra, it’s equipped with a 3-litre turbo 6L that can produce 326hp and 434Nm. It’s heavier than the GR86, at 1,490kg, and it’s also equipped with a manual gearbox that drives the rear wheels.
So on paper, you might think it’ll be a clear win for the Supra. But will it be able to launch well in these slippery conditions? There’s only one way to find out… LET’S RACE!
Thanks to Ben for joining us: @BenCollinsDrives
Thanks to Ross for helping to supply these cars: / s18rsg
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Which would you choose - the all-new GR86, or the classic Supra? VOTE below!
VOTE: GR86!
VOTE: Supra!
SUPRA!!!
New is new ✌️
Il vote the old supra
The fact they found a Mk4 that didn't make 1000hp is amazing
I know, right. They either 1000+hp or $100k+
i somehow always liked the MK4 Supra bone stock a lot more than custom ones. Some non stock supras look nice in their own way but i always gravitate towards the stock ones. They look great as they are, Very smooth, Nice lines, Not too aggressive but very recognizable non the less.
They don't really need to be anything else.
Its not that hard there are plenty of stock supras in japan the hard part is to find 1 in the UK
the bone stock mk4 supra looks amazing
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That airplane grease excuse was hilarious 😂
😂😂😂😂
Ben Collins is absolute savage! TOP Guest of CARWOW! (Y)
@@stingererscale5193 agree bro.
Stop spoiling!
Racing driver always have the best excuses
The new GR86/BRZ actually is pretty quick. It can keep up with a lot more expensive high HP cars on the track. Still lacking in straight line speed but its a momentum car after all.
@Christopher Holden it really moves after 5k
And I heard the BRZ have STi Version which is Awd BRZ
@@kylepodolak4336 That reminds me of people complaining about "There's no power in the lower revs"
Like that's totally how engines work.
Who the hell races a car outside of its powerband??????
I'd put it against my 2016 5.0 F150
@@RyuusanFT86 americans at stoplights lol
Ben's perfect in his role. Love his behaviour and character. Great work Mat & CWow Team, really remarkable.
The GR86 winning those races...with less horsepower shows how much technology has advanced since the 90s
It really is the perfect example of the figures aren't everything
i think there's something wrong with the supra (a boost leak, for example), because at speed this much power difference would manifest itself. i don't think drag coefficient differs too much, nor should the frontal area, so 100 hp more would be very apparent, but supra isn't gaining on the gr, while it just must.
Supra needs a real driver. It’s not the technology. Dude couldn’t launch the car
The laws of physics don't tend to change over time. The Supra is a MUCH faster car if it's working correctly. This one isn't.
@@marcevensauguste bro it's stock cry harder if it was modified he'd win
"Never thought I would be giving the Stig a driving lesson" - Mat Watson 2023
Achievement accomplished Mat, well done!
Ok BOOMER.. Collins need to F off.. He’s perfected
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I don't think so, Mat just had a better car, nothing else. He didn't give any proof to be a better driver.
@@Isha048 Matt Watson is already better actually.
There are a few races with Ben around on this channel which clearly shows that drag-races and gear-shifts are not the strong point of an elderly Stig.
Great to see The Stig back on our screen! I'll be following Ben on his channel for sure...
What a good video piece of art. Keep it up Matt.
I definitely want to see this standing race again in the dry.
Have to get out of England
So would I.
Gr 86 wins
Ben can’t drive man
@@totov7673 A manual twinturbo Supra like this have lsd from factory.
Thanks for taking good care of my GR86 Mat. Was a great day out, and as expected the cars been faultless, and continues to get better and better every day!
Thanks for letting him use them ✌️
@@davey999 Happy to be of service, great to help out with good content 🙂
hey is the rev limiter in your car was stock or did you tune it for that
@@OmgTheyKilledKenny101 Car was completely stock in that video mate, same as the Supra 🙂
@@S18RSG ok thank you the rev limiter is so cool 😎
My flabber hast been gasted... watching Ben Collins get excited about beating a slow car in a car many people think is a natural rocket, is awesome
Schooling the stig on driving techniques!!! Priceless 😂👍🏻
Carwow are slowing becoming the new top gear with Ben now driving in these drag races. You guys are so close to 8 million and not far of overtaking top gear in terms of subscribers!
@Quizzical have you heard of the grand tour lmao
Imagine caring about someone elses subscriber count 🤣🤡
Sadly Ben won't race there anymore as he said, in case he lost the race..
@Quizzical no they cheesy AF
@@PrivacyEnt i heard it.
I love Ben as an edition to the team. He's a true legend
He drives manual gear cars better than others
@@Nfs-HP-Enjoyer yeah plus they hit him with all the broken cars like that M5 last time out. The fact that supra never walked the GR down at 70mph shows it wasn't exactly the freshest example. Plus Ben won't do false starts because he's an actual Racing driver and it's bred into him not to do that as its an instant disqualification. Mat would get disqualified at santa pod too he pre launches hoping the car reacts as the arms drop (all modern cars have a lag at launch) but you get kicked for that anytime reaction times and staging comes into the equation. Mat would get a fright even at a Run-what-you-Brung day at Santa Pod. CZcamsrs are youtubers not drag racers.
@@bigduphusaj162 i am reading allat🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️
Edition lol
addition*
We absolutely need more of this dude on the channel.
I didn't know that was the stig I remember I was really really curious to know who is it when I was 10 years old lol
Glad to see him in CarWow!
It gets better everyday thank you guys 🥰❤️
it would be interesting to do the drag race, then put the cars on the dyno, to check the announced power figures
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Yeah my guess is that the GR86 has been underrated (as shown by many dyno tests) and the Supra has lost some power over time
Supra most likely has a boost leak. No way it’s that slow. 😂
@Angel 🇺🇦 right? 15 second plus quarter mile? No way it's making stock figures
@@angelgjr1999 Unfortunately it is that slow. The MK4 Supras aren’t that fast stock.
The problem with these comparisons is that the condition of the older car is always going to be an unknown quantity.
Unless it's part of a heritage fleet that's been renewing the mechanicals & not just the shiny bits then the new press car is generally going to be quicker.
Thanks for coming Ben. It was nice to see you on a show again. Sorry you have to leave. lol
Ben is such a brilliant addition to car wow hope he continues working with you!!!
3:19 Drag 1
4:45 Drag 2
7:04 Roll 1
8:48 Roll 2
10:28 Roll 3
legend
goat
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The hero we needed
Didn't need a video this short time stamped and I just skip forward 10s by double tapping on the screen for ease of use to avoid watching sponsors.
The race I’ve been waiting to see
Would love to see both of these cars on a Dyno, I wonder if the old Supra is down on power.
We absolutely need more of this dude on the channel. He's hilarious
Mat's races are so unique and amazing, I always love them.
Been waiting for this!!!
Legend for a reason. Cool video.
The kind of races we would never get enough of watching.. thanks mat
I have had enough of drag races, personally.
@@a_single_white_female for me i never had enough with these amazing drag races.
The look on Mat's face about upcoming drag races tells you we are in for some awesome drag races ahead.
Yep. What about a drag race between 1990s DTM vs 2022 DTM GT3 Cars?
Ben Collins one of my favourite understated and underrated drivers, raced against him many moons ago in the British GT Championship.
Matt watson you are a free man, incredible, what a job you have sir
14 year olds have been waiting to see a 30 year old Supra shitbox on this channel forever. Good job carwow. You made it happen again 👌👍
Yesss fuck mk4 over hyped overrated the only good thing is the engine but only when modified people will defend this thing with their whole existence lol literal overpriced rust buckets
I LOVE my GR86 - it is an absolute blast but one of the first things I had to do was get rid of the artificial engine noise in the cabin - the speaker controller is right above/behind the glove box
Gets whipped on track and road by an old RX8 mate.
@@bigduphusaj162 If I was worried about that I wouldn't have bought it - not a straight line car. It is such a blast to drive, had it just over a year and haven't regretted the purchase once.
@@TylerRox yeah they are decent enough I won't argue. Just expected a hit more I can get a newer MX5 around the B-roads here faster.
@@TylerRox dont worry this guys a supra fanboy. Any comment of someone liking the 86 he tries to shut down and come up with some bs about it losing to something else. If he knew anything about cars he wouldn't even bring up that bag of shit rx8
@@bigduphusaj162
There are over a hundred things about driving that make the experience rewarding and not self destructing is one of them.
Regardless of what car is winning, this was epic and beautiful to see the two cars, evenly matched and being wrung out. Just epic.
The new GR86 has a bit of Mitsubishi FTO vibe from the back view, looks amazing!
The older 86s look better
The 2015 86 looks like a femboy car. The AE86 is obviously the only better looking one.@@maggaveli6764
For 5 drag races Matt been saying "we got something coming up don't wanna miss" well I'm waiting Matt
Come on, Supra isn't something you don't wanna miss? :P
just to get subs as he knows they upload a lot of utter crap content apart from the drag races and reviews
@@manilove2pwn well drag races and reviews represent about 85% of Carwow’s channel so…
I'm hoping someone's gonna lend Carwow a Jesko or AMG One.
@@remino7779 remino777, the 2022 GR86 imo still miles below the 1997 Supra and even Pulsar GTi-R.
Massive fan of the videos with stig royalty! More genuine banter and interactions on Carwow than any of the new Top Gear series
Excellent race!
So good to see the stig!!!
Mat thank you so much for this insane video!
This is the perfect combination thanks Matt
This was hilarious 😂😂😂. Great stuff Matt💯
Would love if car wow did drags and also timed laps around a circuit with some corners. That’s where it’d be great to see these cars perform
this.
Damn who would lend a supra for YT drag?
the supra would get wiped by pretty much anything in a circuit, my fucking baja turbo can corner harder than a mk4 lmao
Baja turbo? What is that?
@@jmmch3358 subaru baja turbo
Great vid and all once more but I got a suggestion for the future: I would like the countdown to change or be made more clear for guests.. You see Ben is reacting to the drop of the hands while Matt is just timing his launch to the 1,2,3 (sometimes quite a bit earlier too 🤫). I think it should be reactive like in F1. The lights don't go out at a predetermined time.
I think The 3 2 1 is edited over the top Mat doesn’t hear that. I don’t think it’s the same person starting each race but it’s always the same voice.
Je d is right. That's the voice of one of the original countdown employees from years ago. They just dub over the current countdown employees voices with hers.
@@Zzyyxx22 sure, I haven't noticed that. But like I said in my original comment I judged based on the hand movements not the voice. And every time there is a race with Ben, Mat goes earlier. Even in newer vids. Now it doesn't matter who's at fault, this isn't a real competition. They just need to clear it out between themselves.
Mat definitely gets a bit of a jump every time, but I doubt it would change the outcome. They're touting stock BHP figures from thirty years ago. Put that car on a dyno and prepare to be disappointed.
That Supra is the same blue that my 1995 UK spec Celica GT-FOUR was, aaah memories. I bet my Celica would be worth a fair bit too these days. Man I so miss that car.
Yes. Dont forget the Lancia Delta and the detuned Delta S4.
Storm blue with cream interior, classic UK spec. I've a 6N0 MKIV4 but an auto
My parents have a UK Supra Twin Turbo, 1995 owned since 1996, only 55,000 miles and been garaged since 2009!
The two of you and Yianni should take over Top Gear on BBC. That dynamic would make it worthwhile watching again
Ben is great, hope to see him in more of these
Would be nice to blend the drag racing series to the dyno series for a special video.
Yep. Maybe in June 2023.
Impressive as ever ❤️
Great battle.
My two favorite cars together!!!!!
I didnt expect that!!!!
Thank you carwow!!!
Can never go more than 3 mins in a matt Watson video without innuendos X a million
amazing vid!
Wish it was the trueno vs. gr86, but it was still a good informative video
I can’t believe we just saw a person who knows how to rev a gr86
Yep. Revving em up.
Just gas it
Lol
I remember turbo MKIV supras being low to mid 13 second cars stock. I get the conditions are not ideal here, but this poor thing has to be so down on power. Caranddriver has it @ 13.1 (with their very generous rollout lol). I demand a rematch for us old guys!
I think the press cars were ringers if I remember the old tale correctly
@@BlackMagicStudio224 what? You can't ring a supra it's a unibody mate. It would snap in half the second you hit a pothole if you even tried. It was conventional chassis cars that were getting ringed back in the day.
In 1998 I made a 13.36 pass at the track bone stock on crap tires. Fast forward to 2010 (at TX2K), the same car with just a downpipe, exhaust, boost controller (no tune), and FMIC on 7 year old rotted drag radials ran a 10.98@125. Of course this was on dry surfaces. I'd wreck my sh@t in the wet.
@@bigduphusaj162 what do you mean by "ringers"
@@NextInLine008 A ringer is a stolen car with "legitimate" VIN tags. Usually shared by a group of criminals.
Having driven a TT Supra yesterday, the reason I loved it was the excitement when the second turbo comes in at 4,000 rpm but it’s also the reason it is losing in the wet. Still, I’d rather have the excitement than modern turbo engines that feel N/A with their linear delivery!
Being from the US you hear stories about the UK being rainy but I always assumed it was overexaggerated. Yet at this point, it's a pleasant surprised when one of these drag races is posted, and the runway *is not* soaked.
The GR86 actually has about 245-250hp when checking dyno videos and doing whp conversion to crank hp, they are great cars for that price
The GR86 also has similar bhp to Toyota MR-2.
BS my Rx8 GT 231 walked away from them about 70mph. Multiple different ones so no fluke and that was only 189 at the wheel
@@bigduphusaj162 should upload to your channel and show us
@@bigduphusaj162 maybe GT86, but not GR86.
@@alicekim7351 I'm not a genZ kid that films illegal races. Sounds like you can't handle the fact that a few near 20yr old sports cars put out about the same . Stick on a proper older dyno SAE and you'd get a shock at how low all the HP ratings are compared to what people claim especially this channel and the 2-bob laptop ran dyno garage they used in previous vids. Modern dynos are a complete joke they are a torque measuring device and its all algorithms to get any other figure, the algorithms are a different standard to old and the bhp figures nowadays are vastly inflated. GR has about 228-231 crank 196-198 at wheels SAE. I think I should know since I own the place that had them on the older dyojet machines. Cheers Alice and enjoy your Forza kid 🍻
This is the very first time in my life finding out the identity of The Stig..... I never knew they were publicly known.
there were many stigs over the years
There are numerous people beneath The Stig persona over the years with Ben being the most popular out of them
He's the second Stig and the first one to appear with white overalls (the very first Stig was using black overalls)
Yea there were a few, it was mostly michael schumacher when they tested Ferrari's
If you're interested look at car throttles podcast they did with Ben Collins. It explains how he got rec9gnised and the secret behind the stig. It's good.
@@welephant2013 I'll definitely check it out, thank you!
Ben is cool. I remember when Michael Schumacher was the stig too. Gee, I miss those days!
1:20 very rarely the presence and presentation of any guest matches with matt but god this guy is so good
I'm not mad about this at all 🔥🔥🔥🔥
"it's meaty and it's mighty"... We still talking about the car, right?
Yep. About that what about the RX-8??
Hmm, you reckon?
I agree. I would most definitely like to see this race again on a dry surface. If that supra got traction, that would've been a better challenge.
That was entertaining
I enjoyed every moment
GR86 looks great. Nice 👌👏
Yep.
@@conor7154 Wich one??
Forgot that was the Stig, legendary Ben Collins.
Really shows how far engineering has come on over the years
Lovely dragrace! I still consider the mk.4 as the last/recent real Supra
Sound check took my heart away. What symphony. No wonder they also made the LFA.
It's hard to put down the power if you have too much of it for the conditions and turbo cars have that swell of torque that hits when the turbo suddenly reaches peak efficiency, which makes it hard to make use of the power in wet conditions. Even my old '18 Q50RS AWD struggled with traction in the wet, so it's not hard to see why the RWD Supra is struggling here. The GR86 has a great balance of power/weight. On dry ground no doubt this would have worked out a lot differently but the GR86 is still very impressive for how "little" power it actually has.
Good balanced comment. The GR86 is benefiting from much newer tech whereas the Supra is stock trying to live up to the legend everyone thinks it is. Love the Supra for its looks and the legendary tuning potential, but it's foolish to think newer cars and tech haven't surpassed it. Just a shame the Gen 5 is a Z4 with a body kit.
@@chriswattie3392 they should have got subaru to make the new Supra, and then used a toyota V6 engine. Like a BRZ/GR86 on steroids. For the interior they could have just used the Lexus people.
That would have been a better new Supra, and a more 'Toyota' Supra (since Subaru and Toyota have ownership stakes in one another, and Lexus is obviously Toyota), but I'm just talking crap really.
@@Jez4prez1 that would be one way to keep it 100% Toyota but to people who grew up loving the Supra, it’s blasphemous to use anything but a straight 6 engine. I personally do not find Toyota V6 engines very inspiring so I’m glad they didn’t use the 3.5. With the budget they were given, partnering with BMW was the best way to build it with an I-6 and keep the traditional fan base mostly happy. They have been very solid cars so far, and the B58 has actually proven to be dead on reliable since it came out in 2015, even now that it’s been in use for several years. Like a lot of Supra fans I also wish Toyota would have resurrected the 2JZ but the B58 is the next best thing, and it has some big advantages over the 2JZ in that it weighs less and gets far better fuel economy, which is a bonus.
@@chriswattie3392 The GR86 got destroyed from the rolling race @ 8:48 and 10:34 which lessens the terrible wet conditions from a dig.
I was around in 1993 when the Supra came out and read all the old magazine comparisons. It is a legend. Back then it beat the best Corvette and 911 Turbo and could out handle the Ferrari 512TR.
Hey matt, a suggestion about these races to know for sure wheather the car is the problem or driver, u should do 2 race in each car by each driver.
Be curious to know the differences in tires and gear ratios. But yeah they really gave the old car every chance they could.
That supra sounds sweet! I'm so tired of hearing over-tuned unnecessarily loud supras. This is a breath of fresh air, it's great!
It had an aftermarket exhaust
@@suprarcjpop545 Yes. But it sounds so tame that it feels smooth on my ears.
Nice race, that mk4 is for history books for sure man
Nothing match the 1997 Supra tho.
@@purwantiallan5089Supra is the best car in the world 1200hp stock
@@purwantiallan5089 r34 GTR, honda nsx.......much better cars than the supra. Supra is a drag beast, it would get walked by those other two around a track. To bad fast and the furious blinded you
@@subiesnacks8446 good one, NSX was a twitchy mess needed kept on song was like a 600cc sportbike chasing the high RPM to get it moving. R34 was a safe option but a bit wooden to drive and lunged to the left all over the place it was very lungey. RX7 was the best handling of the lot and the best to drive then Supra but supras even back then they chipped them at first they hit 400+ just with a refresh or chip and that was only like £80 at the time. Much more responsive and they smashed any stock Japanese car at the time at 400bhp. It needed a 350+bhp cossie to take them down at the time. E36 M3 evo was about the next fastest thing from the showroom and the Supras walked away from them at about 70mph
@@purwantiallan5089 ah yes, the "supra good" bcs it's a supra 2jz waa waa type fan
Please, more races with the GR 86 ❤️🙏🏼
This was a great video. I just wish the track was dry
Can’t wait to pick up my GR86 on Thursday!
Don't race any s2000 or RX8s they will dick you
Congrats
Good races, you need to retest them with dry weather
And a working Supra
Thanks Ross
Very impressive Power to weight on the GR86, great track car for sure!
I´m happy to see the old Stig back!
And 1 humble request to you Mat Watson can you plz do a drag race between a Red Bull F1 car and a Rimac Nevera... by the way I'm your fan.
Matt bring us an all GR Drag race.... Just for giggles + a manual a90 supra review.... 😊
This was amazing
so happy to see Mr. Collins again 💪
Matt!! You definitely should’ve switched cars just to see if there was any difference. It’s been done before 😂 switching drivers and I definitely think that should’ve happened in this one
More mk4 supra content please matt such an iconic car
Honestly a choice to choose between the two but I'd lean towards the supra because it's pure old school 100% Toyota!! Ben Collins!! Even after all these years you still the man! Great job Mat as always!
Nobody that knew anything about cars would even consider the GR86 compared to older Supra. That's a ridiculous comparison the old Supra is an all time legend.
To bad it isnt 100% toyota
Mk IV supra also has some mods im sure. Exhaust alone while minimal decreases weight + adds small amount of power.
I wonder if this has offset the losses from the car being 30 years old though
Not a small amount of power. Mine in standard form made 185kw, and 240kw with a catback exhaust. 280kw with a fmic and a full exhaust system. Supra gains big with small mods up to about 280kw.
I mostly blame the tires and the wet surface for the poor performance. It was 2 seconds slower than it should have been.
The power band throughout the rpm of modern engines are better. And not sure about the gear ratios, but I think the new cars have better gear ratios as well.
Would be interested to know the tyre comparison as well
Seeing this video right after putting in my order for a Gr86. Anniversary edition last night tells me I made the right purchase 😎
Agree. But its costed $100k.
@@purwantiallan5089 Where?! They run under $37k USD in my location
Lol this fun little video with a classic on a wet runway should have zero effect on anyones decision.
@@nighthawk0077 I never said it did 🙄
Just that I'm confident in what I purchased
@@NiquidFox lol you kinda did, you might want to read what you typed. Anyway nice car, I'm trying to find a stock 2018 Type R.
This looks like a post-Clarkson TopGear that we really enjoy.
Yep. Shame that 2020s Top Gear shows got outclassed.
No it doesn't stop talking the same garbage pal.
More Ben in this channel please! He is a fun guy!
This was so painful to watch but hilariously funny at the same time 😭🤣
The chemistry between these two is amazing 😍