Toyota GR86 v GT86 v AE86: DRAG RACE
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- čas přidán 19. 03. 2023
- Thanks to Ross for lending us cars for this race: / s18rsg
Thanks to Ben for joining us for the race: @BenCollinsDrives
What’s the performance difference between the new Toyota GR86, the GT86, and the classic AE86?
Well, we’ve got all three lining up here, so we’re going to put them to the test over the quarter-mile!
So let’s see how the cars compare. Starting with the GR86, it’s powered by a 2.5-litre 4-cylinder boxer engine that can produce 234hp and 250Nm of torque. It drives the rear wheels only, comes with a manual transition, and weighs in at 1,275kg.
Next up it’s the GT86. Under the bonnet, you’ll find a 2-litre 4-cylinder boxer engine with a power output of 200hp and 205Nm. It’s also equipped with rear-wheel drive and manual transmission, and it comes in slightly lighter than the GR86, tipping the scales at 1239kg.
Lastly, it’s the classic AE86. Powered by a 1.6-litre 4-cylinder engine, the power output is well down on the two other competitors, at 124hp and 145Nm. Just like the others, it’s rear-wheel drive with a manual transmission, but it’s a whole lot lighter than the others, coming in at just 970kg!
So will the GR86 walk it? Or could the others spring a surprise? There’s only one way to find out… LET’S RACE!
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What's the best car in this line-up?
AE86
im good thanks
how are you
GR 86
THE OG
That AE86 has got a really good paint job and some tasteful wheels. Good job to the owner in keeping it mint.
Enkei mesh
AE86 also has unmatched handling.
@@purwantiallan5089 only if you completely mod the hell out of it
@@purwantiallan5089 lol no it doesn't, lay off the cartoons mate
That paint is factory
As a GT86 owner myself, I think the problem with Ben's launches is that TC was not fully off, so the computer kept cutting power in the wet. When you press the TC off button once, it only turns off part of the TC (which is what Ben did). To further disable control, you will need to hold the button for 3 sec. And for older model such as the one in this video, you will need to do the pedal dance to fully turn off all electronic control (except for ABS).
Congrats on wasting your money on a slow, shit, ugly car
I suspected this!
i was actually thinking about the torque dip, i thought that was the bogging...
Spot on. Being a former 86 owner I can confirm.
What is pedal dance?
Strongest 124 HP I've seen. Sheesh! That AE86 has a killer launch. Imagine if it had a 20V 4A-GE. 😅
Also much pricey than the others
and a 6 speed, would rival the GR86 far better
just look at hibino keihin fcr 250hp 7ag ae86 doing against all those way more powerful turbocar in D1SL
is the 20V 4A-GE has a 160 HP?
@@Zeratsu google
This is the dream vid for people who’ve watched initial D and MF ghost
The Gr is remarkably beautiful and the AE is a great classic look.
Agree. Classic look that never dies.
the gr86 is an overpriced slow shitbox. shouldn’t even be called an 86
It lacked the front rear HP cylinders that the clutch dymanics required for that actual time
Beautiful? Haha no. But definitely better than before
@@mediocreman2 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The GR series did not worry about contours
Was a pleasure to help out with both this video and the Supra video guys, thanks for having me along.
Whenever Mat wants me to come and convince him to buy a GR86 again, you know how to get hold of me 😂
nice car mate
@@borablerta9090 the AE86 still legendary since 1985.
The GR86...wow. Now I see why they opted not to go for a turbo. The 2.4 is a huge upgrade.
@@bamboosho0t the reason they didn’t go with a turbo is so they could still sell the more powerful yet heavier GR Supra. No one would buy a 1500 kg Supra with just under 400 hp if they could buy a GR86 at 1300 KG with 300 hp for half the price .
Nice car, this race shows the torque dip of the 2015 really well
I'm loving the videos with Ben.
Excellent video matt like always
Give the GT86 it’s respect, 11 years ago it was the revival we needed and was improved upon.
i leased one for three years and put an hks air filter in it and some stickier tires, it was the most reliable and fun car i have owned, but the interior was kinda dull, i preferred when i upgraded to a gti, but i couldn't drift the gti like i could my scion fr-s(gt86)
The GT deserves respect in terms of reviving the original 86 but the GR gets the most respect as the performance is what the 86 should be in terms of today’s standards.
@@dennyklein1965 the entire point of the GT was to offer a car with a back to the 90s basic package, including its power output and the fact that some models have knob ac controls, the car was supposed to be a revival of the 90s sports coupe which I think it captures very well. Don’t believe me? Look it up
Like it or not, you have to admire that AE86 just because it is such a JDM Legend!
Me too. As a diehard Nijigasaki fan, i also love this legend car from Initial D.
I mean, the GR86 also deserves a credit. After a struggle to beat it's competition for years the GR nailed it now. Even the GT can't keep up with the elder.
Pop up head lights!! Sexy. AE86 wow still punchy.
Yeah, Initial D car
Same engine they put in the MR2 AW11. Sounds awesome 6.5 k onwards.
Mat I have a suggestion! Can you also put the Mph when crossing the line? It would be great to see how fast these cars when crossing the 1/4 mile
That’s actually an amazing idea! 😮
i agree, trap speed showcases the car's ability better and takes less of the skill out of the equation so we have a better idea of which car is faster.
A drag race isn't really the setting for these cars but was definitely interesting to see the performance enhancements :)
Seen Ben driving a few times now, and I cant say I am impressed... 🤨
Agree. I am also impressed far further.
I think track days are more his thing but you'd think he'd be able to launch better.
As a so called "race driver" he is not good
Racing on a circuit and doing drag races is a bit of a difference. Put them both on a track and I'm certain Ben Collins would have him haha
@@Gazshadows what are you talking about, do people not launch on the track?
as far as im aware top gear track times always started from a standstill.
That GR 86 is just so amazing! I know without the GT 86 there would be no GR 86, but the GR 86 seems like the TRUE modern AE86 but really I love them all, Toyota's 86 is my favorite line of cars ever. 🥰❤️
That final drive on the gt86 is what’s killin it
Considering Ben gets a rubbish launch every time he drives a car on this channel, we definitely need to see a car swap to prove if it's the driver in one of these...is the Stig just rubbish at launching? I mean, it's not a main skill for him whereas launching cars is basically the only skill the Carwow team need most of the time!
Secretly, Natsumi Onitsuka and Ren Hazuki also love this AE86.
Didn't have TC actually turned all the way off in the wet but I actually had this exact same thought before I realized.
I mean Top Gear didn't exactly do drag races but I guess the laps had standing starts
I agree, noticed the same thing in last few videos
Also noticed this
Me too. Ben seems excessively bad at launching cars. I don't get it.
Mat's got his "I beat the Stig" T-shirt, cap, mug, hoodie and pyjamas on order.
Yes.
And so he should 😂
FINALLY DREAM COME TRUE!!! THANK YOU CARWOW I REALLY REALLY APPRECIATE THIS.
My 2023 Gr86 just arrived and I'm in love!
GR86 is a great car and we all knew which car was going to come 1st 2nd and 3rd in the race. The AE86 honestly is the underdog in the race. I am impressed.
AE86 may not be the fastest in a straight line but it'll definitely win you on a mountain race while delivering your tofu
:DD
Especially when listening to Eurobeat music with lyrics poorly translated in English
it's the driver
@@Deniz69567 what does the driver have to do with so much less performence
@@th3Kun well, if you are talking about a mountain pass with full of narrow corners I guess power isn't really necessary to have
Should do multiple races and drivers switch cars each race
More Ben Collins please, the dude's awesome!
More Ben Collins?
Are you serious?
That man is a joke
Love the drone angles during the race and the augmented reality when showing info on the phone.
Agree man.
That AE86 is beautiful 🤩
As beautiful as even 1999 Honda S2000 and 2002 Viper GTS.
Easily best of the bunch for character and legend status.
It’s a shitty old Toyota with a price tag only an idiot is willing to pay
@@purwantiallan5089 hell no
@@nacl2858 12 year old
The AE86 was just so well designed it launches like a rocket!!! even with only 120hp. Check out DK's AE86 with the green carbon hood!
love it when you have Ben on...hes really great serious yet funny
I like Matt & Ben but I'm rooting for the classic AE86
Me too, Zohir rooting this classic AE86.
I love how Ben doesn't ran out of excuses,the stats are in favour of the GR86 though. Nice video.
This is the only race ive ever needed
Imagine if it had the GR Yaris engine in it. That would be epic
Just an Idea for future races. Maybe try changing the lanes where each car is between launches in the initial drag race. It will help us see if maybe the tarmac has anything to do with the times.
I wanted them to change drivers.
Mat never fails to wow us with all these insane reviews, drag races and videos!
Same old BOT COMMENT 💤💤
now this is a real legendary drag race
Great race Mat!😸
Matt's gotten so skilled at launching a car for quarter mile racing, that I feel the rolling runs give a better measure of a car's performance against its competitors.
That 2.4ltr is a nice improvement over the previous gen
Ben Collins making Mat look good again, no wonder Sam's not been seen lately - anything to make Mat look better 😆
God old clutch feathering, stoping wheelspin without removing throttle, good for engines with small torque figures.. and burning a clutch or 2 😅😇 great work mat and carwow team.shout-out to Ben, always great to see him back.
I would love to see these cars compared on track with Ben behind the wheel.
Just like in the old days
The TC wasn't completely off on the GT86. Hence the wheelspin.
You need to hold the "TC OFF" button longer.
Great challenge, the ae 86 is the one for me didn't let itself down at all against the modern stuff 👍
I'd love one of these videos with all the mr2's including both turbo and non turbo mk 2's
Nicely done
My guess on the GT86 is it's got those crap low rolling resistance Prius tires that it came stock with. Tires really make a huge difference.
GT86 and GR86 2013 maybe cool but nothing came close to AE86.
please stop disliking GT86 im crying i just bought it on used car shop
@@SupezCZcamsStudios its alright.. deoesnt matter what others say.. as long as you are having a blast and fun in it.. i plan to get the brz (2 liter version)
@@SupezCZcamsStudios I really want that car. I think it's the coolest looking out of the 3. You've got a really cool car, no need to regret buying it! If we all wanted the fastest thing we'd all want Bugatti's.
Tyres has nothing to do with engine bogging down.
The AE86 just reminds me of the Irish countryside, all the lads n ladies love these , all over the country
Track mode on the GR86 does not disable traction control, it allows for more wheel spin before cutting in. The stability program light comes on to indicate it’s not at its full potential and will allow the slide more before acting.
Press and hold the t/c button with the sport mode button and it turns off everything and you can let the lsd diff do it’s job fully.
Got Love that Hachi-Roku. One of my favorite corolla's
The new gr86 looks and performs really good🙌🏻
Pop down the pop up lights...more like these please!
What Ben described as dumping the clutch sounds more like a perfect slip when the tires will hook, what I think most people think off as dumping the clutch is side stepping it, which is much more violent.
Really enjoyed the comparison! Was thinking about the GT bay after this I would rather save up more and get the GR.
Love the video Mat!!! We need to see the Mazda MX5 generations race 🏁 🏁🏁
Should have went to Akina downhill and did the race there. Would have been amazing
Akina Homoto also love this AE86.
Except “Akina” doesn’t exist in real life.
It was loosely based off mount Haruna.
@@purwantiallan5089 Keiichi Tsuchiya is still driving his AE86 up till this day.
Nice to see you got Ben as recurring guest
Thank you for this. I had a 2016 FR-S. Got rid of it for a Toyota Tacoma manual transmission in 2018. Missed the FRS and ended up selling the Tacoma in 2022 to get a GR86.
These cars are not meant for drag, and it's meant for turns. They're similar in weight; obviously, the one with the most power will win. They should take these cars on a race track. Would love to see how these cars perform, and see how much difference they have considering how old the AE86 is.
Doesnt hurt to test these cars on a drag race. Like how keichi tsuchiya tested the hellcat on a touge, this is like that
@fastcars514 yes, it doesn't hurt to test these cars on a drag strip, but these cars doesn't shine in the dragstrip, so it's not using it's full potential. What this video should've done was test these cars on both to actually see the difference. Yes, I saw DK Tsuchiya using that kittycat on the touge. All it did was lose traction lol.
Finally, Takemi Fujiwara in carwow🖤
Great video. I would love to see a Toyota celica generations dag race. As someone who owned a 2000 vvtli would be great so see how it holds up against a gt4.
I would love for you to feature the 2000-2006 Toyota celica at some point if you could fit it in a video in any way 💙
A 16year old could launch the gt86 better
This might be a weird flex but I know how to drive a manual and I am 14.
where my licence at
No it’s literally a matter of the gt86 being so unbelievably pathetic for a 200hp car
@@dingus3182I used to have a GT86 and I can tell you you’re very wrong and I assume you’ve never driven one so you’re saying that because of this video. Admittedly I never launched mine in the wet but launched perfectly well in the dry and it was so responsive, delivered its power really well through the revs and handled like a dream. Personally I think it looks better than the GR too.
Yeah racing driver my ass 😂😂😂
oldskool AE86 anyday! love how timeless this shape is👌
school*
Legend shapes never die bro.
These cars are all about straight line, well done
🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤 I enjoy seeing all your videos, more when Toyotas appear, really nice and cool content, love you mates best regards from Mexico 😎🤙
Love the AE86 and would have one over the new ones. The 4A-GE is a peach of an engine and was in the MK 1 MR2 I had and was a proper screamer mounted behind your head. More old school Toyotas please.
That AE86 is gorgeous 👏🏽
Wien Margarete and Natsumi Onitsuka approved it.
Yeah...its cool
But I really like the new look of the GR86.
It looks really mature.
I'd love to see a battle of the old 90s sports wagons IE ( stagea, legnum, ect ect )
I think you should introduce a drift competition. That could be awesome 😁🔥
Tyres, Tyres, Tyres.......I'd say the AE86 has some high spec tyres helping the launch
can you add power to weight to the still slide with the power and weight figures? that would be most excellent
I don't know about these results but in 2004 I got that AE aka corolla, added some vinyls, NOS, and a body kit of course. That car flewwwww while Riders on the Storm was banging as loud as possible 😉🔥
also great vid keep it up
Im from Australia and have ordered the new GR86, the aussies were late to the party, wasn't able to even order one till September last year. And 12month wait 😅. I managed to test drive both BRZ and GR86, found the 86 spoke to me more although maybe some bias as i work at a Toyota dealership. My first and current cars are Subaru's, still a subie fan. Also, I have a motorcycle now too.
The GR86 2023 not even close to the 1985 AE86 TRUENO.
@@purwantiallan5089 So? Still a great car that he is getting whilst you can only dream of owning
Yea I’m in Australia, I’m a mechanic at a dealership. I’ve seen one GR86 on back of a truck and one on the streets. Yet I’ve seen probably like 30+ of the BRZ’s
When you get your GR86, please get your oil pick up checked after you've driven it a bit. Seems to be a common issue so far with the fa24's.
Who asked for a whole life story you need a girlfriend 😂😂
Boys see AE86 appear : "yo that's Takumi"
Mat thank you so much for this insane video!
The bot fancies Mat😂😂😂
What a treat, and the AE 86.. phew... still partially able to keep up with the GT. Like you guys mentioned, pure genius.
That OG AE86 is still perfect all these years later
That AE86 is honestly beautiful still to this day 😍...... im very surprised at how it kept up with the gt86 the whole time .....
Tc wasnt fully off
Finally the drag race that makes sense
I quite fancy this Toyota 86 series❤
Would be fun to have a 20v swapped with it as well. See how that compares!
Ooo I want to see that
ive got an AE111 Levin with the 20v Black top engine.. I raced a GT86. I smoked him..
Same
If you get a 20v in a ae86 you have to upgrade you transmission then ... i had 20v with stock tranny and it really lower the 20v potential , i mean , my bluetop with little work on the head was faster than my 20v coz of 5 speed
Should put a 2zzge in it
would love to see a honda s2000 ap2 going against the gr86
Hey Matt can’t wait to see your new car on your personal car when you show it on your channel
One suggestion. . . You guys should show all the launch timings. . . It would be fun. . .
nice i'd love a gr 86 shame about the limited number, what a nice line up
I must’ve been the luckiest man ever but I once walked in a dealership selling the limited gr86 was gone in just a few days
@@POPOLAMEYT ah yes probably 10k over msrp
@@POPOLAMEYT That's so lucky. In my country every GR model sells so fast you have to contact Toyota early to put your name in a list.
@@harth05 Ha-chan, the AE86 imo still unrivalled in terms of handling.
@@POPOLAMEYT GR86 was gone in 2 days?
My father had that same AE86 Trueno with 124 hp in white back in the 90s. It was a real sports car for that time and the pop up head lights were really cool and rare. 🤘 I would not forget that soft bell sound it made inside the cabin when going over certain high speed 😄
and did he, by any chance, make you deliver tofu down a mountain road every day?
I'm starting to doubt all Stig top gears laps were so that good 😂
Matt should do a drag race against ben and other guest drivers with all driving the same cars, prefebly cheap cars😂
Should be fun!!
The AE86 just stoles our hearts. Cars back in the day were iconic
😂
The AE86 was hated when it was released first and only became iconic because of DK and initial d.for the longest time it was just another corolla in people's eyes.
You are so wrong 😂
Mat congratulations on your new car! You absolutely deserve it you’re an amazing motoring journalist
What a year! Doug and Mat getting their dream cars!
Which car??
Hi Matt
@@kunj5802 911 gt3 rs
@@kunj5802 992 gt3 rs
Carwow, I'm hyped to see a race between the new Toyota GR86 vs the new Hyundai Elantra N 🙌
Thats a really good jump,that's a really good wet drag
That AE86 is honestly beautiful still to this day
Ae86 will always be more desirable than any newer versions.
@@QiyokuuIt's a classic, that's why.
@@Qiyokuu Initial D
@@Qiyokuu I feel like initial D made the car desirable and the weight distribution that's literally it
Not a chance
No.
I loved the video I'm just sad there was no footage in the ae86 I'm sure it sounded great inside haha 😢
Show more the old cars. The interior, rpm etc
My dream cars going at it
Legendary AE86 against two Subarus...
😂
I like the way Ben Collins talks. Its kinda poetic
That was fun to watch. I own a 2016 Scion FRS. The motor is definitely the worst part of the car, otherwise a complete joy to drive around as a daily in both winter and summer.