Meet Dave | Captain Ahab: The Story of Dave Stieb, Part 1 | Dorktown
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- “Who’s Dave Stieb?” you might be asking. Well, this is a guy who had never stepped on a pitcher’s mound in his life until age 20. Just four years later, he was the best pitcher in the American League. This is the beginning of the almost unbelievable story of the man who put the Toronto Blue Jays on the map.
Written and directed by Jon Bois
Written and produced by Alex Rubenstein
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hey everybody! Jon here. Alex and i hope you’ve enjoyed this series so far. thanks for giving us the time of day. just wanted to give y’all a heads-up: Part 2 is going up Tuesday, March 15th, Part 3 runs Tuesday, March 29th, and Part 4 runs Tuesday, April 12th. why aren’t we releasing them sooner? the answer is simple: i have a poor work ethic! i don’t want to work hard! anyways in between we’ve got some other good Secret Base stuff coming, including a Weird Rules from Seth and Clara about a baseball game that was delayed for the dumbest possible reason. hope you enjoy, and we’ll have much more Stieb Content coming your way soon.
Surprised with the choice of topic but good video otherwise
Looking forward to more Clara content!
A whole 6 weeks to complete the Story of Stieb?! My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
is there any way we can find the music used in this video, pastebin, etc?
@@nols550 All the names and artists are listed in order during the credits at the last 10 seconds of the video
I’ve never heard of Dave Stieb but I am fully prepared to get deeply emotionally invested in him and his career
He was the man. Legend in Toronto.
Hard same.
I'll never forget when he finally got his no hitter. Remember that game like it was yesterday.
he only played till '93, so i dont know how many theres gonna be, but im still hyped
@@thomasma1872 4 part series!! Plenty to praise!
Because of Dorktown I am now:
- a mariners fan
- a falcons fan
- a dave stieb fan
Same
As a Seattle transplant sports fan originally from Miami I liked the Mariners but Dorktown made me love them
Never heard of Dave stieb before this.. now I talk to other people about him like I watched him growing up.
Bought a griffey jr and sr jersey cause of it lol
Im with you, well, not a falcons fan, not sure anything could get me there, but I just bought a signed Dave Stieb baseball and now me and my kid are Mainers and Dave Stieb fans. Good god this was heart breaking to watch.
I mean this with absolute sincerity: Jon Bois is probably one of the best storytellers currently alive
the whole team is tbh. theres nothing like it.
They have a preternatural ability to make people who have zero interest in sports care about sports.
Pure magic he is
Not hyperbole.
No, the best living storyteller is Mr. beast. Otherwise he wouldn't be the most popular.
Me at the 1 minute mark: "How are they going to stretch this into 4 episodes?"
Me at the 20 minute mark: "How are they going to squeeze all if this into only 4 episodes!?!?!?"
I have the utmost respect for the amount of work that goes into making long haul, exhaustive video series like this one. You guys must be elated to finally release this masterpiece into the world.
Excellent work!! 👏 👏
it’s the speedrun guy
And you would know!
Damn this is like the baseball bits/summoning salt arc
Oh hey, its bismuth! Another great video creator
Every time they do a new Dorktown, and they show the big overview of all the different episodes woven together, I realize that the stories come together to make a literal town, composed of data charts and stories
A town founded by dorks!
@@brickwallblitz By dorks, from dorks, for dorks!
Jon calls it the Dorktown neighborhood.
The boys here have such good creative talent and energy.
"To say the move backfired implies the possibility that it could have correctly fired"
More absolute gold from Jon Bois.
I am just delighted with the fact that you guys connected Roy Halladay to Dave Stieb in such a dramatic way. This is a great masterpiece.
That was just Halladay’s 2nd career start too!
They even gave a connection in that beginning to Stieb’s final MLB manager Tim Johnson, who his story is forgotten by many except Blue Jays fans.
Managed them to a 88-74 record his 1st season and then got fired in Spring training 1999 when it was found out all his thrilling and motivational stories about being a war veteran in Vietnam were all lies and the team hated his guts for it.
For real that was excellent. I really appreciate how these guys find those connections
correction halliday connected himself to stieb like this. and literally noone noticed except secret base. for like decades. this is why i love secret base.
@@soulfly3438 I believe Bobby Higginson was the man who created the connection. I don't think Halladay intended that pitch to wind up in the bullpen.
@@soulfly3438 Nope, us Jays fans made a big deal of it symbolizing a passing of the torch at the time. This began Toronto's love affair with Doc.
I'm a huge Dave Stieb fan and this is my first time hearing of him
Dave Stieb pitched the first no hitter in blue Jays franchise history on my birthday September 2.
Dave's a cool guy in private life I've been told.
@@duaneday5474 Spoilers!
The power of Jon and Alex bro these guys have an innate talent to make things seems grandiose is nuts
@@stebjin I mean if you looked at the poster for the series it already shows it, plus the foreshadowing is already there
@@duaneday5474 what an awesome day that was. My brother and I were listening to it on the radio while doing yard work. Went in to watch the 9th. What a game
I can't wait to watch a 5 part series about a dude I've never heard of, who plays a sport I don't follow, in a country I don't live. No sincerely, I can't wait!
In that case I'm afraid you will have to wait a little longer. This is just a 4 part series.
Same
This is why we're all here
@@beckobert very Boisian response lol
Growing up, I watched Dave Stieb, play a sport I follow, in a country in which I live... and I can't wait either!
That Halladay intro is like these video game overtures, where you play another character starting maxed up with a boss fight and lose, just to introduce you to the game mechanics. Genius.
completely caught me off guard seeing my uncles Detroit team making an appearance in the first minute of the video. RIP Kimera Bartee. Another great video though you guys. keep these vids coming
really glad you liked it! i read about your uncle's passing just a few days ago, i'm so sorry. from what i read it was very clear that he was beloved in detroit and everywhere else he went. - jon
Wow, sorry for your loss. I am feeling like a community of friends who watch these and I will say a prayer for your family. The pain can be comforted by the assurance of him at peace in the end.
My condolences to you and your family.
Your uncle is one of my all time fav Toledo Mud Hens! Ive lived in toledo my whole life n have easily attended 500 Hens games. Kimera Bartee ALWAYS seemed to be smiling, taking time for the kids, and just enjoying every moment he was in. Def one of the guys i wished i had asked for an autograph but sadly always thought "I'll have another chance".
RIP KIMERA BARTEE. ONCE A HEN, ALWAYS A HEN. WE FLOCK TOGETHER. ❤Muddy
dang i remember him from the pirates, good guy
Jon and Alex make these stories sound like the mythology of some mostly forgotten civilization
See also Jon's devry video to see that actually happen 🤣
Given Jon has written 17776, he very much cares about sports in a way that the theoretical people in that story don't.
I have never once cared about baseball, but Jon and Alex have a magical power to make me care about anything and everything, god damn it I love you guys.
the mariners story is just classic tv. they have years of teams and eras to do more dorktowns.
Obsequious alert!!
I can't believe Dave Stieb gets his own Dorktown, I'm so immeasurably exited
It took me a hot minute to realize what I was looking at!
i still can't believe it
"Excited"?
Who da fock is that guy?!
Watching this for a second time. You know your in for a good Dorktown when Jon has a throwaway line about a MLB coach getting canned for making up Vietnam War stories in the first couple mins.
"He has hit just one home run in 890 career at bats. That's about one in 890."
I took me 3 seconds to realize what you said.
these guys are so good with numbers. i would have never found out what 1 home run in 890 at bats is equal to.
I have watched baseball my entire life, and research it with the majority of my free time, but I guarantee Jon and Alex will tell me something that I never knew about this man.
I’m from the UK and went into the Seattle Mariners series never having heard of them, experiencing their fortunes entirely through the incredible storytelling of Jon and Alex. I fell in love with them, and the series got me through the first lockdown. I had never heard of Dave Stieb before this video and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
I'm from Toronto and thought I knew Stieb but I assumed he had been pitching for years prior to his major league debut.
I knew the media hated him. And that there was a tendency to write off teams north of the border, particularly the then-recent expansion Jays who were far worse than their cousins the Mariners.
You should think long and hard about what this says about American sports writers. That the best pitcher in baseball barely registered with the people that are paid to write about it is an embarrassment.
@@Millipede666 Sportswriters have gotten a lot better about understanding the sports they cover. Even on completely amateur blogs you'll find great, insightful writing.
Unless you're talking gen-sports guys on national media. ESPN has been a bastion of ignorance for decades and embraces it.
@@SimuLord I was referring to the overall culture. Yes there are amazing writers all over the place these days but they tend not be in prominent positions in national sports media.
Decked out in our STIEB 37 Jays jerseys, my best friend and I quietly cheered against then-absolute no-name Halladay during that ninth inning. We didn’t need a second-start kid bagging a no-no with the progenitor of Blue Jay heartbreak in the ‘pen and likely on his last Major League watch.
We were in the top-ring 500s, first row, homemade Stieb signs draped over the ugly cinder siding, shading toward centre-right. Higginson, one of the better Detroit players, left off the lineup card that day until his call to interrupt history, launched that gopher into the sky and we just looked at each other, eyes saying “trajectory,” and watched it carom into Stieb’s mitt.
He barely flinched. It’s not an easy catch, considering speed and surface, either. He held the ball until the handshakes, quietly dropping into the kid’s hand, and that was that.
Jeez. If I’m getting THIS much material off a sidebar story, what am I gonna get out of the main course? Much-younger me was also at Stieb’s home debut, July 9, 1979, a four-hit 7-1 CG win where the only Brewers hits came off hall of famers (Yount, Molitor) or future battery mates (Buck). Lot to unpack. Looking forward to the opportunity.
Those 79 Brewers were no joke either. They lost to NYY in the playoffs.
@@daBEAGLE1017 Sort of the proto Harvey’s Wallbangers of ‘82, right? Yeah, they were good, deep, consistent. Lot of near-.600 seasons in that Brewers period.
@@leonardlumbers they really did have some good teams in the mid 70s up to early 90s. When Molitor left to win a ring was the beginning of the dark era. At least us fans had somethings to root for since the mid 2000s. Those dang 82 Cards.
@@daBEAGLE1017 I suspect we have another - and I say this without an ounce of salt - healthy Cards hater here. That org’s gotten up into SO many grills over the years. Seems they’re always around when heartache’s on the menu. Unless they’re playing the Papi-era Sox. (I liked those turn-of-the-‘80s Brewers teams, fwiw. Classy guys, beer-league avatar guys, HOF guys, best darned ball cap logo ever, effectively Fonzie’s hometown, a lot to appreciate… When Molitor and Hisle won up here in 1993 I remember sparing a thought for MIL fans and hoping they got a little something out of seeing Paul’s eyes welling up in the group celebrations following the Carter HR.)
@@leonardlumbers i still have Larry Hisels autograph for some odd reason. Do i hate the Cards.....nah but i wont doubt their dominance. Its strange how they beat the Brewers in 82 and now they both are in the same division. I also will never hate the Cubs. My family used to be able to pick up WGN in the 70s/80s and since they were the closest NL team to Milwaukee, i always rooted for them....the WhiteSox tho are a different story. I seen some good fan fisticuffs when both teams were in the AL.
God bless Cub fans....Card fans too.
Lets go True Blue Brew Crew (if they have a season this year at least)!!!!
I grew up in Western New York in the '70s and '80s. Never has there been a more unsung hero deserving, even retroactively, his place in history as Dave Stieb. Thank you for this.
Greatest Blue Jay ever and his frickin’ number isn’t even retired
@@CandlestickSec7 The two Blue Jays who were the first to reach the "Level of Excellence" should have their numbers retired:
1. Dave Stieb #37
2. George Bell #11
I agree with Halliday's #32 being retired, but if his is retired, Stieb and Bell should receive the same honor.
Finally, it is time to put Roberto Alomar's #12 back into circulation...he destroyed that privledge.
*wipes away a tear* Finally, someone understands Stieb's greatness. Thank you.
keith law is a big-time stieb backer
If you're down here in the comments after having just watched all 50 minutes of this video, I would implore you to go back and rewatch the first 5 minutes. You will suddenly gain a whole new perspective on the magnitude of this video's opening. It just gave me chills.
I watched this series as it was coming out. Im here watching it again and the chills are indeed real
Best pitcher of the 80s. Arguably best pitcher in Blue Jays history. An absolute travesty that he's not in the hof. If he played on any team other than Toronto, he probably would be. Really hope you guys bring him some well deserved recognition
I couldn't agree more but my brother thinks "Dave Stieb, best pitcher of the 80s" are fighting words.
@@buckodonnghaile4309 I could take your brother and all his grade 3 friends
@@herotomillions4095 good, he deserves it.
If he’d been able to produce after the age of 32, he’d definitely be in. He’d have like 250ish wins, with the rest of his resume. He probably stays his whole career in Toronto and is available to pitch in the first WS, and then would win the second one. Unfortunately, it’s all what ifs. Certainly of the best who isn’t in the Hall.
@Courtney Valdez he had 16 years in the bigs. If Sandy Koufax, who had 12 years and is a worse pitch than Stieb by a large margin, can make the Hall, then Stieb should be in the Hall too. Steib does have a WS ring
23:46 When Danny Ainge has to try to cool you out, you know you're pretty fired up.
There aren’t many constants throughout baseball history, but one thing you can always count on is the writers’ near-superhuman ability to somehow screw up the awards voting on an almost yearly basis.
FACTS!!!
The sports writer that sent the one vote against Derek Jeter to the HOF needs his credentials stripped. You’re exactly right. Out of the major sports it’s the baseball writers that never fail to perplex every baseball fan out there.
Love your channel
@@jpmnky If you’re stripping that guy of a vote then you also have to strip everyone who didn’t vote for Griffey, Bonds, Seaver, Ripken, Aaron, Gwynn, Randy, Chipper, Maddux, Bench, Carlton, Henderson, etc. because they’re all better players than Jeter and got fewer votes
You realize you're enjoying a sports writers video? Cut em some slack. Everyone's got their own opinions and expectations.
39:53 Barfield does hitting lessons relatively close to where I live and after meeting with him a few months back, I can confirm he is one of the nicest, and funniest people I’ve met.
I don’t think I’ve smiled more at a baseball related event in my life.
Met him in Cooperstown when I was 12 and he let me wear his 1983 Home Run Leader ring. A wonderful, wonderful man
Are you in the Houston area?
Quick side note for those who don’t: Buck Martinez wasn’t just a great catcher, he’s the Jays announcer now, he’s the guy who people are willing to spend hours every day for 6 months listening to. He was also recently diagnosed with Cancer, here’s hoping for a quick recovery.
Buck is back baby!
I’m ready for this to run my life for the next two months
You missed the i in Manfred's plan.
After doing a little research on Dave Stieb, I hope this series can have a similar effect that Foolish Baseball's vid on Larry Walker had on his legacy and hall of fame candidacy. There is no way a player can dominate his position for a decade and not be recognized for it. Though different his peak stats remind me of Felix Hernandez.
@@charliemorris9111 Veterans Committee, baby!
19 seasons. 19! Crazy
First thing I did was pull up Baseball Reference and...
...no. Not a Hall of Famer. Good career. Even a Very Good career. But a Hall of Fame career? There's a hundred guys at least with a better argument than Stieb's got.
@@SimuLord Forgive me if I'm wrong as I'm pretty new to baseball, but isn't part of the veterans committee to look at more than stats and accolades? A dude that didn't pitch until he was 20 and was one of the best in the game just a few years later is remarkable. And would be he a HoF candidate in your eyes if he had picked up a Cy Young award or two?
@@jamesmalthus2018 I'm a stat guy through and through when it comes to baseball and basketball (football is a different beast because of the nature of the game; I'm not qualified to talk about hockey.)
A Cy Young Award or two would tilt the balance for sure, so would a World Series (Stieb wasn't on the '93 Jays), but even with that, the numbers don't really "pop" in a way you want them to for a Hall of Famer. Just my two cents, of course. If you're more about intangibles and the "fame" part of "Hall of Fame", Stieb certainly has a case that way-one Jon and Alex are clearly making with their documentary here.
As a lifelong Seattle Mariners fan, I didn’t think anything could get any better than that documentary. After watching the first episode of this, my jaw is wide open. Brilliant! I now have emotions about a guy who I never heard of, my dad has never heard of, and several baseball fanatics I know have never heard of. I am SOOOO stoked for the next episode!
This was good but I’d say mariner’s history was better
Only the opening credits sequence and I'm already in tears
Also shoutout to Johnny Vander Meer for pitching two no hitters in a row in 1938, visible at 4:53
This is the first of these dorktown series that I am going into with pretty much zero knowledge beyond the basics. I’m excited to learn more about a pitcher I already recognize as underrated.
dorktown is unparalleled, there’s nothing quite like it
I arrived in Toronto from Guatemala via Honduras in 1985 as an 11 year old baseball fanatic. I grew up watching and idolizing Stieb and the Blue Jays.
I have learned a lot about Stieb pre 85 and can’t wait for the rest of this series.
Huge fan of Mr. Bois. As an 80's Toronto kid, having The Man present the story of The Man? I'm so happy right now.
Few know the joys of growing up in Toronto in the 1980's.
One of the most beautiful cities in the world.
5:36am, class in four hours, but as an australian who had no idea what a hit was until the mariners documentary, i'm always here for the ride
When you hear those opening notes of "Dossier", you know something is about to go down.
Great work guys, can't wait for next episode!
Part 2 comes out the 15th
Love that song. Hoping for more panning over data uses for it in this series
You know you watch Dorktown videos too often when you start to recognize all the songs.
Similarly, I go straight to crying when the opening sax notes sound on "Serengeti," and wait to see if I'm exultant or devastated.
@@TheHouseOfSparrows "Down to Business" always gives me chills, personally.
I've never heard of Dave Stieb and now I'm fully intrigued with Dave Stieb. I'm avoiding looking anything up about him throughout this series to maintain surprise of what comes next.
he was my fave player growing up and i too want to remain surprised at what comes next.
The next half-decade’s the payoff to the immense 1981-85 buildup fashioned by the guys here. It’s a true funhouse mirror and rollercoaster ride rolled into one, my good man, and the insane apex will appear as the doc reaches late ‘88. It’ll be worth the wait, it’ll be worth the ride. Cheers.
3:38 This has got to be the first half of one of the absolute sweetest book-ends I've ever seen/heard in sports writing.
Dave Stieb is so underrated, in my opinion the best pitcher of the 80's that never truly got his due. The fact that he isn't in the HOF is beyond crazy.
He had a great first 12 seasons, definitely hall of fame worthy. Sadly, he did next to nothing after age 32, so his counting numbers are well below HoF standards. He is in a similar spot to a guy like Sandy Koufax in that respect. Stieb was actually good for longer than Koufax, but Koufax's stretch of 5 years of utter dominance that included 3 Cy Youngs is really the reason Koufax is in. Stieb was great for a longer period, but he never reached those same heights of dominance.
@@Il_Exile_lI As a huge Blue Jays and Dave Stieb fan this is a fair analysis. As you said, he was not as good as Koufax at his best, but was elite for far longer.
I'm a bit more of a "big hall" guy than most on the basis that it is already kind of a "big hall" with some members falling far below the standards of the greatest players ever. Hard to make the argument that enshrinement should be reserved only for guys who were truly head-and-shoulders above the rest when there are plenty of guys in there to whom that description doesn't apply. Either those more fringe guys (by Hall of Fame standards) should be removed or someone like Stieb should be a shoe-in. He was similar to Whitey Ford in terms of his on-field impact and nobody debates that Ford was a Hall of Famer.
That said, I understand why people who are true "small hall" guys (for some reason) would think he doesn't belong.
It's insane Jack Morris is in there when neither his peak nor his overall career were anywhere near Stieb's.
beyond.
@@jasonmoyer Morris is in because of his postseason heroics. Bill Mazeroski got in because he hit a walk off HR in the world series. Agree that Stieb's resume is better than Morris'.
This is already my favourite Secret Base episode.
Probably because I'm a lifelong Jays fan who watched Dave Stieb, Todd Stoddlemeyer, Al Leiter, etc throw when I was both in little league after watching the Jays do back-to-back World Series. Watching Joe Carter's walk-off on live TV was one of the defining moments of my childhood.
Long form Chart Party is on trajectory to reach perfection. The Falcons, the Mariners, the Bobs... the topics, the music, the graphics, it's all so good.
Is it even possible to wait for the compilation to release or do most watch all the individual parts and then watch the whole thing again?
Cheers for this and these, yall.
Stieb was a beast in his prime and the Blue jays ace for over a decade. He still does alumni events and is a great Blue jay ambassador at charity events. He never got the recognition he deserved for being one the dominant pitcher of the 80's, so its good too see somebody finally cover his story.
40:26 Rance Mulliniks makes his second appearance on the channel! Former Card Show great!
in terms of underappreciation, Rance Mulliniks is to the blue jays what dave steib was to the majors.
Currently watching through the Falcons series with my friend (my 3rd time, his 1st time), can't wait to start this on my own. Any day with a new edition to the DCU from Jon, Alex, and the crew is a great day for sports!
@Fries The breakdown of the playoff game against the Eagles, with Francis Monkman's "Contrapunkt" as the background track, is the greatest thing Jon and Alex have ever done.
I mean, Game 5 of Mariners-Yankees was great, but they got a lot of help from the legendary Dave Niehaus in the broadcast booth. Alex had to carry that football call by himself.
I thought I was a pretty knowledgable guy when it came to sports trivia, but that Danny Ainge factoid had me scouring his Wikipedia page in disbelief, and the way you just so casually mentioned it made me laugh for a good five minutes.
Dorktown series is a love letter to baseball .... great work --- this one hit close to home ... i remember watching these early 80s blue jays in my home country (Venezuela) since a countryman; Luis Leal, was part of the pitching rotation those years -- at one point he was only behind Clancy & Stieb in number of starts
I remember Luis Leal! Got to see him live a couple of times. He was great for us.
ok but…Rickey IS the best 🤷♂️
Hey guys, I found Ricky Henderson's youtube account!
Seriously, guys, that opening intro is so god damned beautiful and you should be damned proud of everything you've made that has gone into it. Congratulations, this has been an awesome ride so far.
I've been using youtube for about 15 years. I"m going to hit the bell icon for the first time ever because this video existed for a week without my knowledge and I will never EVER miss out on Jon Bois again.
I watched the game when Stieb almost pitched that perfect game vs. the Yankees. I turned on the TV and was switching around just to find something to watch and turned on the Yankee game, not expecting to stick with it long, but watching Stieb pitch that day, by the second inning I said to myself, "This guy's gonna pitch a perfect game." Not a no-hitter. I said, "Perfect game." I had never seen a pitcher's pitches look like that. They were just buzzing. It didn't look like anyone could touch him. Of course I stuck with it to the end. I had seen a couple of no hitters, but never a perfect game. We all know how it ended, but it was the most dominating performance I've ever seen by a pitcher, and I had seen Tom Seaver's 19 strike out, 10 straight strike out game vs. San Diego (and Seaver's near perfect game vs. the Cubs too). But Stieb that day vs. the Yankees was better.
I'm a Jays fan who is too young to have seen Stieb pitch in his prime, having been born in their 1985 AL East champion season. I love seeing spotlight pieces like this that give the rest of the world those good feelings that those '80s Blue Jays fans in Canada must have felt. Never mind the lack of Cys, wasn't he only on the HOF ballot for one year? Criminal!
I'm not even a baseball fan, but I love the element of humanity that exists with these stories in Dorktown. Getting into Dave's head like this is so dang fascinating, that I can't wait for his no-hitter to arrive.
Another banger. I can’t say I’ve watched more than 5 hours of baseball in my 20+ years on this earth but these stories are so damn compelling, I’m glued to the screen as if it were my lifelong interest. Incredible work.
your missing out. theres nothing in the world like going to a ball game.
I was a die hard Jays fan in the 80's. I knew all about Dave and was his biggest fan. It was heart breaking to lose to Kansas.
Thanks so much to all the people and their work to make this video. I can't wait for the rest of the series!
I was a psycho Red Sox fan then never missed a pitch, Stieb killed us
23:39 Danny Ainge ! Forgot dude was also a baseball player ! What an athlete.
Cannot believe I watched 48 minutes about a player I've never heard of in a sport I actively dislike and also will watch parts 2-4. I'm going to put 3 hours ish into this. Hats off guys, impressive.
Jon Bois is really good at finding the most interesting story with the most obscure sources. First The Bob Emergency and now this. Kudos Jon, you’re a great storyteller.
What gems those bob videos were!
Not so obscure. There's a lot of material. 3 major Toronto papers and Stieb's own autobiography, which was a Canadian bestseller.
Dave Stieb was actually one of my favorite pitchers when I was a kid.
I can't wait to see the story of one of my favorite and under-appreciated pitchers in all of baseball
I remember him as a kid growing up watching my beloved Mets. I was always into stats & playing arm chair GM. I always wanted the Mets to add him to our insane rotation. The Blue Jays were always pretty loaded & talented in those days. Same with the Expos. Dave Stieb had an insane curveball. He probably had one of the nastiest hooks ever. I remember their insane outfield too of George Bell, Lloyd Moseby & Jesse Barfield.
Thanks @SecretBase
I’m a 52 year Canadian. I remember everything about Dave Stieb’s career.
This absolutely whips ass. Thanks Jon and Alex!
I only remember Dave Steib as one of the many many baseball cards I had back in the day that did not have Ken Griffey Jr.'s photo printed on it lol
Boys, this is amazing. I grew up watching those blue Jays, I can't like this enough. Steib had one of the most disgusting curveballs of all time. I'm glad I wasn't old enough to realize how badly MLB jobbed him over. Can't wait for the next parts. Thank you.
As a Jays fan I know this one’s gonna make me incredibly happy and also break my heart at the same time
there is a consciousness out there directing and observing us, baseball is it’s favorite game, and it often intervenes directly to give us poetry like the home run that opened and closed this series.
Glad to hear this joins the Falcons doc in the great lineage of the Mariners finding some way to show up in every Dorktown series.
Dave Stieb was one of those players that fans of his era appreciated but virtually no one else cares about. He's always been a player I appreciated.
I did not in any way think I would be watching a four part series on his career with each part probably taking an hour-ish, but this is going to be a hoot.
Super pumped for this series! As a Blue Jays fan, I'm all for my favourite sports channel shining a light and drawing attention towards the team, city, and ulitmately an entire country, telling us these stories in a unique and intriguing way. Dorktown never ceases to amaze and excite me! WIthout a doubt you guys have created the greatest sports anthology..thank you!
As a Mariners fan… enjoy. I still get goosebumps at the end of the Mariners series.
That was THE best intro to main character you guys have done to date lol
That intro credit scroll though??? 🔥🔥🔥
Alberto Bembo’s “Oblo”. I just tweeted him I love that he used that joint lol
I’m old enough to remember him pitching for Toronto. I knew he was good but not much else. Thank you for an interesting presentation. I’m looking forward to seeing the rest of the series.
As a Canadian, I have been wanting to see you guys do one of these on a Canadian team for a while now, honestly I didn't expect you guys to look at one so soon, especially since you guys don't really touch on hockey, so that only really leaves like the Blue Jays and the Raptors as potential teams to look into, but so far this episode been great. Also thanks for touching on the fans part, we really only have like one team in MLB and the NBA for a whole country's worth of people so we are incredibly grateful and love them very much. I honestly think Canadians would be very receptive to further expansion in Canada, like teams in Vancouver and Montreal, they are large cities and people love the sports.
An Expos video could totally end up happening as well
We are HUGE Blue Jays fans in this household. From my father, handed it down to me (born in 76) now handed it to my 3 children. We are so grateful and immensely happy that you put the spotlight on one of our greatest pitchers in franchise history!! WE have learned so much on what was happening behind the headlines. Thank you so much!
Criminally underrated career he deserved WAY more recognition
Stieb’s 82 contract would have been 8 years 100 million easy in 2022. In 1982 they give him pennies and deny he’s their best player. Owners are losers and players union is awesome. Shout out stieb
So glad to see you guys giving the Jays and Stieb attention with this series. Looking forward to the rest of it.
This was fantastic, entertaining, in-depth and well produced. 80's stars deserve more love. Can't wait for part 2!
i'm so happy you guys put out a video about the blue jays. as a jays fan, it's rare to see our team get this much attention
Please keep making videos like this. It's enjoyable, informative, well made and well researched.
You guys do such an amazing job of bringing forward compelling stories. You use the stats, the humanity, and everything in-between expertly and it just comes through so well. I didn't really care much about baseball before your Mariners series but now I follow as much as I can. It is clear that this is the sort of thing that you guys are passionate about and it shows. Kudos to everyone involved for such a stellar product, I cant wait for the next episode.
That was a wonderful video. I am really looking forward to part two. Stieb was totally a celebrity and hero in Toronto. I remember meeting him during a trip to visit kids at the Hospital for Sick Children in the early 80s. Such a great person to the community.
I know how this all ends, with the ups and downs, but I am really still looking forward to it.
Toronto legend! Dave was well beloved here! Amazing video!
Absolutely stellar. I grew up watching the Jays in the 80s and 90s and this fucking rules. Superbly written and directed as usual. Bois/Rubenstein 2024
Thank you guys so much for the hard work on this. It paid off and its incredible!!
I'm so glad you guys incorporated the Higginson Homer off of Doc...Bobby Higginson is from my neighborhood in Philly (Frankford) and this homerun was LEGENDARY for us as kids....little did we know that later on in life, we'd be absolutely BLESSED to have Doc as a Phillie and witness him not only get to complete a no-no (in the playoffs by the way) but also a perffy .... rest easy Doc 🙏
Against my Reds,it was one time I was actually rooting for the no-no ,not the Reds
I have never cheered for a non-Jays team as much as I did for the Halladay's Phillies. And I am so disappointed that he never won a World Series.
To me he is the epitome of what a pitcher should be. He was efficient, effective, did his job professionally, and didn't stir the pot. For the decade of the 2000s he was probably the best pitcher in the game.
@@88porpoise yeah, it's a shame he never won a ring. I haven't had a Reds team for years
Happy he got a playoff no-no, gutted it wasn't with us.
As a Canadian 40 something Jays fanatic (and Secret Base) THANK YOU!!
So pumped for another series...some of my favorite content on all of CZcams. Thanks so much. I never understood why Dave Stieb wasn't more highly regarded. He was an absolute stud and I'm glad you chose him for the series. He's definitely a guy that should be considered for the HoF by a future veteran's committee vote. He was that good...dominated a decade when there really weren't too many other pitchers who could say the same.
Thank you so much for this amazing production. As a lifetime jays fan, baseball playing enthusiast and baseball dad, this is just fascinating
god, as someone who's been dealing with RSIs and chronic pain for years, i'm heartbroken just hearing that this guy is about to go on to pitch 3 nearly back-to-back games right after having had a clearly pretty debilitating arm incident. it feels like i'm watching a horror movie and just yelling at the screen "no come on man don't do it it's not worth it" even though i know it's futile
It was. Understand that he carried the team on the road to greatness. His excellence was what inspired through those dark days. There was no way he wasn't pitching in the playoffs because he had earned it through years of sweat. To not let him would have destroyed him, I think.
Always thought his name was “Dave Steve” until the Internet. Was always like, he’s got two first names? Cool.
I’ve now watched parts 1, 2, and 3 and this is without doubt my favourite sports documentary ever. Thank you
Fantastic work, been looking forward to this one! Now I’m looking forward to the next part. It’s nice seeing guys like Stieb get the recognition they deserve, albeit belated.
I watched him pitch. Big guy, great sinker, tons of movement on all his pitches. Great pitcher in an era of Great pitchers.
It's the reason that people said that Roy Halladay was literally the second coming of Dave. The same exact kind of pitcher.... Lots of innings, lots of complete games, respectable earned run average, staff Ace, enough starts to earn wins no matter the run support.
However, by 2003 Toronto had won a couple of world series and was not totally disrespected anymore. Dave took the hits so that Roy could get the reward. Roy halladays cy Young voting results are the minimum of what Dave should have had in the '80s.
If he doesn't get a no-hitter by the end of this I'm going to be absolutely devastated
When I pitched in over 30 mens baseball, I tried to pitch like Stieb. I never through a straight ball. My first and only year, I gave up 1 run in 5 complete games. I had no idea where the ball was going but I imagine he did. Location and movement are so much more important than just speed. Steib was fun too watch. His pitches were fun too watch.
It's insane to me that you guys can make videos about subjects I not only know nothing about, but actively dislike, and it's so good that I will sit down for 45 minutes to take it in.
That is so wild that Dave caught that homerun ball to ruin Halladays no hitter haha God damn