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  • Dave Stieb had just experienced a level of heartbreak that only the sport of baseball can deliver. His relationship with the game had always been a complicated one. But the two were not yet finished with each other.
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  • @uncleflansy5621
    @uncleflansy5621 Před 2 lety +1784

    Apparently Dave Stieb has been watching these, and loves them. His kid tweeted some of the text messages between her and Dave.

    • @jackfeinstein722
      @jackfeinstein722 Před 2 lety +82

      Can we get a link to the tweets? I'm curious to read them

    • @willphillips2522
      @willphillips2522 Před 2 lety +31

      Or at least his kids Twitter handle?

    • @TheMETALLICAFAN999
      @TheMETALLICAFAN999 Před 2 lety +6

      Following

    • @AutumnReel4444
      @AutumnReel4444 Před 2 lety +2

      Deets man!

    • @lelandbatey
      @lelandbatey Před 2 lety +127

      Ash Stieb (child of Dave) posted screenshots of conversation with Dave where Dave talks about how much he likes the show. YT doesn't allow direct Twitter links for me, so you'll have to Google to find it.

  • @fkrnews
    @fkrnews Před 2 lety +2528

    Ricky Henderson is so good, he's out here stealing the runtime of other people's documentaries, like, damn.

    • @StevenEveral
      @StevenEveral Před 2 lety +106

      Every time is a good time to talk about Rickey Henderson.

    • @kenlytle4331
      @kenlytle4331 Před 2 lety +69

      His Baseball Reference page is a work of art. It's hard to find the most incredible thing on it.

    • @paysonfox88
      @paysonfox88 Před 2 lety +59

      There are many debates in baseball about the best player of all time, and the best at certain positions. There is no debate who the greatest leadoff hitter is. Ricky Henderson is so far ahead of any other leadoff guy who's ever played, the only players like ichiro Suzuki, Pete rose, and ty Cobb can even come close to him.
      In the modern game, I would say ichiro Suzuki came the closest to the results that Ricky Henderson produced. He stole 500 and something bases in a 10-year span, and he hit way better than Ricky.
      However, Suzuki and Rose did not walk nearly as much as Henderson. They didn't get on base is often, and they weren't nearly as good at stealing.
      In the old days, Ty Cobb had a similar on base percentage to Rickey Henderson, and he did steal like 900 bases. I think Cobb is the closest.

    • @dmmonkey4
      @dmmonkey4 Před 2 lety +13

      Nobody loves Rickey more than Rickey

    • @SadMarinersFan
      @SadMarinersFan Před 2 lety +7

      @@paysonfox88 i wouldn't say Ichiro was a better hitter than Henderson. On a pure contact sense sure but from 2001-2010 Ichiro had a 117 OPS+ while Henderson had a 142 OPS+ from 1981-1990, his best 10 year stretch

  • @mrtweak13
    @mrtweak13 Před 2 lety +1915

    Prior to March 1st, 2022, I had no idea who Dave Stieb was or even that he existed. And now here I am 28 days later, crying tears of joy watching 31-and-a-half year old footage of a mostly-forgotten pitcher finally throwing a no-hitter he rightfully deserved. Absolutely beautiful storytelling, as usual.

    • @paysonfox88
      @paysonfox88 Před 2 lety +72

      Dave was the best pitcher of of the 1980s. If you look up his statistics on baseball reference from the early 80s, you will see that John's point of him being robbed of three cy Young awards was correct. He was the greatest workhorse of any franchise in the American League for at least the first six years of the '80s. He led the league in innings pitched multiple times, and yet had a top three or four era in the league at the same time. There was actually a season where he had 19 complete games, five shutouts, over 250 innings thrown, and had a winning record, and still didn't even get in the top 3 of cy Young voting.
      Him losing 5 or 6 no hit attempts in the 9th inning during that span proves he was the best in baseball.

    • @KyleMc16
      @KyleMc16 Před 2 lety +30

      I don't even like Baseball and I was crushed thinking he somehow had another no-hitter taken away at the last batter.

    • @graemecheadle8569
      @graemecheadle8569 Před 2 lety +37

      He's not forgotten in Toronto, I assure you.

    • @wallacecreed4746
      @wallacecreed4746 Před 2 lety +4

      Don't worry, the real pain is yet to come.

    • @OriginalGrasshopper
      @OriginalGrasshopper Před 2 lety +2

      Stieb was a massive star in the 80’s, so if you didn’t know who he was it must be due to not being alive yet back then. Us old timers fondly remember him though!

  • @c.seanholliday3153
    @c.seanholliday3153 Před 2 lety +954

    "This is how the sport of baseball moves:
    not at all, and then, all at once,
    with such terrifying speed the lines begin to bend,
    and then not at all,"
    I think that line is going to stay with me for the rest of my life.

    • @DetectiveOlivaw
      @DetectiveOlivaw Před 2 lety +29

      That is poetry, and good poetry too. Inexplicable how talented these guys are.

    • @dansawyer4332
      @dansawyer4332 Před 2 lety +8

      This the kind of line that keeps me re-watching Ken Burns' Baseball documentary. It's full of stuff like this that fills my baseball soul. I love this sport.

    • @kevinlynch8059
      @kevinlynch8059 Před 11 měsíci

      @@dansawyer4332it literally brought a tear to my eye

  • @ianrye7778
    @ianrye7778 Před 2 lety +642

    "This is how the sport of baseball moves. Not at all, and then all at once." Love it.

    • @dylanlawrence4858
      @dylanlawrence4858 Před 2 lety +19

      It's hard not to get romantic about baseball

    • @mk-ro1zw
      @mk-ro1zw Před 2 lety +23

      "stieb first motions toward a fist pump something modern and learned, quickly melts into something more ancient and universal...." oohwee these guys can write

  • @connor4wilson
    @connor4wilson Před 2 lety +793

    This was incredible. I actually cried. I cried over some guy winning a regular season baseball game in 1990.

    • @dylanlawrence4858
      @dylanlawrence4858 Před 2 lety +23

      Yeah lol. Not Canadian and I don't even like baseball but I was so god damn happy for Dave Stieb. What a story and what a guy. Legend.

    • @hockeylake7219
      @hockeylake7219 Před 2 lety +3

      Same

    • @paysonfox88
      @paysonfox88 Před 2 lety +3

      The most amazing thing in this video was that the New York Yankees had the number 9 hitter by the name of Roberto Kelly. And that their last hitter in the lineup was still batting 330! If there was anybody that was going to bust up Dave's perfect game it was going to be that guy.

    • @justjakobii7341
      @justjakobii7341 Před 2 lety

      Yeah lol yeah that’s

    • @justjakobii7341
      @justjakobii7341 Před 2 lety

      I’m

  • @albinococonut7550
    @albinococonut7550 Před 2 lety +1038

    “And then he, and we, ride with him on this merry-go-round again. This is how the sport of baseball moves: not at all, and then all at once, with such terrifying speed the lines begin to bend, and then not at all, perfectly into Felix’s glove” brought me to tears. Best description of baseball I’ve ever heard.

    • @sanic1085
      @sanic1085 Před 2 lety +37

      I knew it was perfect when I was hearing that line. Tears.

    • @man4437
      @man4437 Před rokem +1

      If I could cry, I would

    • @ramesj9161
      @ramesj9161 Před rokem

      @@sanic1085 I oooof go to the park with you 😮😢😢😢😢

    • @bentleytoal2581
      @bentleytoal2581 Před rokem +3

      Dude, this one got to me. Tremendous narration.

    • @tommydebo5
      @tommydebo5 Před 19 dny

      It happenes everytime I watch it, those lines bring me to tears. it's just so beautiful.

  • @brickwallblitz
    @brickwallblitz Před 2 lety +360

    The fact that Dave Stieb has not only watched this but also called it one of the best documentaries he’s ever seen is extremely heartwarming.

    • @KardiFan2000
      @KardiFan2000 Před 2 lety +3

      Source?

    • @KardiFan2000
      @KardiFan2000 Před rokem +2

      @@warlikebiscuit9113 Yeah thanks...i saw her tweets shortly after I left that comment

  • @chriskauffman9901
    @chriskauffman9901 Před 2 lety +826

    I’m not going to lie I needed this today. I needed to know Dave Stieb threw a no hitter in 1990. Thank you

    • @Tabathew
      @Tabathew Před 2 lety +70

      Fucking really. Seeing all those cubes light up blue I actually physically cheered laying in bed watching this on my phone.

    • @johnpazniokas1143
      @johnpazniokas1143 Před 2 lety +9

      @@Tabathew Aw, man... I wish I didn't know. I loved it myself, and I knew he got it in '90...

    • @roebuckmckinney
      @roebuckmckinney Před 2 lety +2

      Yup. Me too. Came home after a rough day and watched this while washing the dishes. After that, I was ready to take another shot.

    • @paysonfox88
      @paysonfox88 Před 2 lety +1

      Roberto Kelly of the Yankees reminds me of the number 9 hitter for the Houston Astros in 2013. Marwin Gonzalez. He was an All-Star a couple of years later, and batted 286 or so. That was the guy who broke up Yu Darvish's perfect game with one out to go. It's not really surprising that both of these players were good enough to get a slap hit in that situation. To his credit, Dave did throw his best pitch right where he wanted it. The same thing is said of Darvish. He didn't mess around with Gonzalez, he was going straight fastball and it got hit.

  • @the_kelvinator_
    @the_kelvinator_ Před 2 lety +1055

    That moment at 43:29…knowing that I would see another hit, and more heartbreak…what a turn, I was physically shocked. Brilliant writing boys 👌🏻

    • @brandonkrause7308
      @brandonkrause7308 Před 2 lety +74

      I literally stood up and punched the air. Holy fucking shit what a story. Dave Stieb and SB are legends

    • @xxboywizardxx9573
      @xxboywizardxx9573 Před 2 lety +1

      Couldn’t agree more

    • @jamesh7469
      @jamesh7469 Před 2 lety +36

      Not to take credit away from the storytelling, but Stieb’s story nearly writes itself. Ridiculousness

    • @PTFVBVB
      @PTFVBVB Před 2 lety +37

      they got me crying about a baseball boy.

    • @iceteabreak
      @iceteabreak Před 2 lety +21

      i gasped when i saw him catch the ball

  • @mstieler8480
    @mstieler8480 Před 2 lety +382

    "Rickey Henderson, an individual" made me bust out laughing.

    • @UNHchabo
      @UNHchabo Před 2 lety +24

      They used that same phrasing in the standalone Dorktown on Rickey Henderson from 2018. I appreciated them calling back to it. :)

  • @jeremymccommons7741
    @jeremymccommons7741 Před 2 lety +523

    I remember watching Part 1 and scouring that list of no-hitters for Dave Stieb's name. No matter how hard I searched, he wasn't there. I thought I had spoiled the ending for myself. Everytime he got close, I had to remind myself his name wasn't listed, he wouldn't succeed. I KNEW Stieb would throw a bad pitch to end attempt #8. I KNEW the batter was hitting a home run.
    The shock I experienced when he caught the ball is something I feel only Jon Bois could provide. Well done

    • @Jack-zx5jo
      @Jack-zx5jo Před 2 lety +13

      Yeah ha ha ha. Same man. These boys really do know how to make me emotional

    • @icedo1013
      @icedo1013 Před 2 lety +15

      That was my thought exactly. I had pretty well managed to forget I hadn't seen him and that I had even looked, but when they zoomed in on the chart at the end I started smirking to myself. It tempts me to go back to the first video and find the cleverly disguised unnamed dot that managed to get a hockey fan a little choked up.

    • @panner11
      @panner11 Před 2 lety +2

      The line Jon narrated in that moment was amazing. Such great writing.

    • @emeraldaly7646
      @emeraldaly7646 Před rokem +3

      Conversely, I knew Stieb actually did get one after all his close calls, but when I got to that point in the video someone was chopping onions for me too 🥺

    • @davidb4935
      @davidb4935 Před rokem +2

      Fist pumped so hard at that moment

  • @MrBooblo
    @MrBooblo Před 2 lety +1887

    I'm just so grateful Stieb is finally getting the attention he deserves. Thank you for this public service Jon Bois and Alex Rubenstein. Hopefully this rights the wrongs he faced and gets into the HOF

    • @buck45osu
      @buck45osu Před 2 lety +122

      Cheered for a random pitcher to get his damn no hitter in my living room. Literally cheered when the dude caught it to finish the game. Dave Stieb, you are a legend.

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia Před 2 lety +131

      The Virgin Jack Morris HoF activist
      Vs.
      The CHAD Dave Stieb Truther

    • @josephvanhorn5347
      @josephvanhorn5347 Před 2 lety +5

      Yeah he's definitely not a HOF pitcher. He could've played his entire career for the Yankees and he'd still be miles away from Cooperstown.

    • @ryanchase9332
      @ryanchase9332 Před 2 lety +130

      @@josephvanhorn5347 Thank you for showing you didn't watch or pay attention to any video in this series.

    • @buck45osu
      @buck45osu Před 2 lety +73

      @@josephvanhorn5347 did you see any of his numbers? The dude who should have won multiple Cy Youngs isn't a famer? Wow.
      He plays on some winning teams and he doesn't have this video cause you'd already know him.

  • @AlanGohel
    @AlanGohel Před 2 lety +691

    As I’ve just finished the third part of this series, I currently look myself in the mirror, grimacing in an effort to fight back tears. It’s a losing battle for me. I don’t even know why I care so much. Dave Stieb used to be a guy I’d have randomly clicked on the front page of Baseball Reference. Now he is a protagonist; fully formed, both tragic and strangely uplifting. Perhaps it is something so undeniably human that I can’t help but relate. I’ve had things that I wanted more than anything else, and I’ve had defeat snatched from the jaws of victory time and time again before, but I still can only imagine the pain of trying to write your own page in the history books just for your entry to be edited out by someone else. I’d rather not spill my heart out here, but I’d like to say that this feels like a complete story already, so I’m really interested to see the new and interesting ways Part IV will crush my soul.

    • @markangelocalica1478
      @markangelocalica1478 Před 2 lety +3

      Probably it will the moment they will conquer the World Series

    • @insanusmaximus2857
      @insanusmaximus2857 Před 2 lety +14

      It's phenomenal storytelling, and a story that deserves to be told. It's amazing stuff.

    • @picklenik9658
      @picklenik9658 Před 2 lety +10

      @@markangelocalica1478 Sadly Dave was let go of the team that season before the rest of the Jays win the series. Thankfully, the team still awarded Stieb a WS ring and include him as part of their team honours

    • @Mike-gt7sk
      @Mike-gt7sk Před 2 lety +3

      it's rare that you find poetry on the internet. what a breath of fresh air this comment is

    • @randylevy
      @randylevy Před 2 lety +1

      Well said, Alan.

  • @Zaximillian
    @Zaximillian Před 2 lety +22

    Dave Stieb had watched these videos. He sees VIII. He knows what's coming. He sees the date. The opponent. This man that we're all rooting for is transported back decades of life. He's young again, in a moment no one can really understand.
    Dave Stieb smiles. I know he does.

  • @theorosen8350
    @theorosen8350 Před 2 lety +252

    The scoring errors episode took baseball stats and made them funny. The History of the Seattle Mariners took baseball stats and made them entertaining. Now, Captain Ahab takes baseball stats and makes them heartbreaking. Amazing work by Jon Bois and SB Nation.

  • @JWex-jy7sk
    @JWex-jy7sk Před 2 lety +690

    10:59 My goodness this moment just made my heart drop!
    Out of all no hitters Stieb lost, this perfect game had to be the most crushing of them all!

    • @manzac112
      @manzac112 Před 2 lety +10

      Dave Stieb: 😐.........👹👹👹👹👹

    • @valakemedia
      @valakemedia Před 2 lety +41

      baseball jumpscare

    • @georgelochinski8144
      @georgelochinski8144 Před 2 lety +55

      Such a vicious commercial break too!

    • @chubbsthestuntmonkey7262
      @chubbsthestuntmonkey7262 Před 2 lety +4

      It just makes you sick, doesn't it?

    • @just_gill6113
      @just_gill6113 Před 2 lety +28

      I literally jumped out of my seat and screamed no at that, it hurt.
      Jon Bois and Alex Rubenstein are a masterclass of storytelling if they can get me all jazzed up like that.

  • @ndrocca
    @ndrocca Před 2 lety +637

    It’s always a great time to talk about Rickey Henderson. Especially 1989 Rickey Henderson.

    • @lovelessissimo
      @lovelessissimo Před 2 lety +7

      That's my favorite Rickey.

    • @joshuaheistman2481
      @joshuaheistman2481 Před 2 lety +42

      Honestly, I know that Stieb is supposed to be the hero here, but as soon as Rickey shows up, I'm already rooting against our protagonist.
      Sorry, Dave.

    • @Arbiter099
      @Arbiter099 Před 2 lety +4

      A pretty good time, even?

    • @StevenEveral
      @StevenEveral Před 2 lety +9

      '89 Rickey Henderson is the best Rickey Henderson that ever Rickey Henderson'd.

    • @sabotower1792
      @sabotower1792 Před 2 lety +23

      "Rickey's the best, Rickey's the best" (in front of a mirror)

  • @bemoore4
    @bemoore4 Před 2 lety +301

    Been a Blue Jays fan since their inception. I am intimately aware of the Jays’ career of Dave Stieb-so much so that I already knew how all of these games played out.
    But it was fun looking back at his career through this incredibly well-made series.
    On September 2, 1990, I was living in Cincinnati, Ohio. My friend, Jayne, and I decided to drive to Cleveland to see the Indians (the team she grew up loving) face my beloved Jays. It was Labor Day weekend, so we didn’t have to work the next day.
    Of course we had no idea what we were about to see. I spent most of the 4.5 hour ride home explaining Dave Stieb’s career to her-helping her understand how big the moment we’d just witnessed was.

    • @nucc1331
      @nucc1331 Před 2 lety +2

      Wow that’s amazing. Thank you for sharing

    • @teen_laqueefa
      @teen_laqueefa Před 2 lety +1

      That season was magical, for the Reds. Hopefully you enjoyed the home team go wire to wire.

    • @davyjonessmallesttentacle
      @davyjonessmallesttentacle Před rokem +9

      A jays fan there in attendance on the road for the franchises’ only no hitter? Now that is a pretty amazing and exclusive badge of honour for any fan, especially a lifelong one.

    • @bemoore4
      @bemoore4 Před rokem +4

      @@davyjonessmallesttentacle
      it was a very easy trip to make. I lived in Ohio at the time and drove to from Cincinnati to Cleveland for the game and came back to Cincinnati afterwards. I used to go to Cleveland to see the Jays play a lot. I would also go to Chicago and make a yearly trip to Toronto.

    • @ericksontaruc3944
      @ericksontaruc3944 Před rokem

      @@bemoore4 ARE YOU canadian what made you a jays fn

  • @daddyskaddy94
    @daddyskaddy94 Před 2 lety +228

    Another masterpiece series. The Mariners and Falcons series were incredible. This one has the same magic as well. Please never stop making these.

    • @ikepigott
      @ikepigott Před 2 lety +5

      THERE IS A PART FOUR - BUCKLE UP!

  • @12packersfan
    @12packersfan Před 2 lety +517

    I love everything these guys put together but putting the commercials at 10:59 and 43:49 was downright evil😂

    • @mikethomas2191
      @mikethomas2191 Před 2 lety +40

      I yelled at my phone lol 🤣

    • @zoom3184
      @zoom3184 Před 2 lety +75

      oh my god I am so glad I have Adblocker, that is truly heinous.

    • @arkyst1
      @arkyst1 Před 2 lety +17

      I thought I was the only one! That was just wrong

    • @Baruch.Spinoza
      @Baruch.Spinoza Před 2 lety +96

      I’m never going to even consider buying a Toyota Corolla cross now I’m malding so hard

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia Před 2 lety +27

      I dunno, I think getting blue-balled like that is thematically fitting 😂😂

  • @vollrathfgc
    @vollrathfgc Před 2 lety +127

    I started to cry when I saw that ball get caught
    Dude spent so long and had so many tries at a no hitter and was so close every time
    I came into this series not knowing who Dave Stieb was, but every time he got close I was rooting for him to just get 1... And he got it

  • @Brdleysmth1
    @Brdleysmth1 Před 2 lety +126

    I can't believe this didn't win an Oscar. this is hands down the best sports documentary I've ever seen. I straight up cried at the end. 10/10 gentlemen

  • @serraramayfield9230
    @serraramayfield9230 Před 2 lety +141

    "...perfectly into Felix's glove."
    Immediately in Stieb's mind, the wall built to insulate himself from the possibility of a no-hitter, seven times denied - including even a failed perfect game - begins to crumble. The gears begin to crunch as that final out quickly sinks in, and in moments, as his teammates finally get to live out their greatest dream and surround their hero, this no-hitter exposes itself to his mind in the only way it could: a searchlight.
    Its hum washes over him as that light, an obelisk pointing forever into the sky, lets the world know that he, Dave Stieb, has achieved immortality. No longer will the monuments to failure - his necropolis - be the only things to his name. His name is now written forever in the holy book of no-hitter lore.
    That wall was honestly a lie...he never stopped looking for that crown. He only had to wait until the very end.

    • @teen_laqueefa
      @teen_laqueefa Před 2 lety +2

      Damn, this was a beautiful description.

    • @serraramayfield9230
      @serraramayfield9230 Před 2 lety +2

      @@teen_laqueefa I would happily write for Secret Base if I could. The problem is that I have no qualifications other than what I write in my spare time.

    • @ChristopherBowenSuperbus
      @ChristopherBowenSuperbus Před 2 lety +7

      @@serraramayfield9230 Those are literally the only qualifications you need to write. Just... write.

    • @SimuLord
      @SimuLord Před 2 lety +4

      @@serraramayfield9230 Even if all you do is write as a hobbyist, write. Never let that creative fire go out, because that fire is fueled by your very soul and, in turn, creates fuel of its own that the soul then uses to perpetuate itself. It is the world's only truly working perpetual motion machine.
      I used to be a full-time freelance writer. Paid my rent, bought my groceries, traveled and had a blast. I don't do it as a career anymore-the world got more expensive and accounting pays better-but I keep an NBA blog updated every Saturday. It's my soul machine. And I'll quit writing it when I'm dead.
      For the love of all that is good in this world, if you have the desire to write, then write. Whenever you can on whatever subject takes your fancy. And fuel your soul.

    • @BigBlack81
      @BigBlack81 Před rokem +2

      @@SimuLord Late, but thank you for writing this. I needed to read this as the words have fallen silent from my fingers for a long time. It's high time they came back. ✊🏿👍🏿💯

  • @BaseballHistorian
    @BaseballHistorian Před 2 lety +206

    Sometimes I struggle to explain to non-baseball fans why I love this game. Whenever that happens I just show them one of these videos instead and they understand.

    • @KMcNally117
      @KMcNally117 Před 2 lety +9

      How can you not be romantic about baseball?

    • @shreknskrubgaming7248
      @shreknskrubgaming7248 Před 2 lety +8

      As a non-baseball fan, stories like this are awesome. I've watched a lot of videos about baseball from Jon Bois because he knows exactly how to tell these stories. I love stories like this, I just don't like baseball. Same reason I'll listen to stories about tennis or Runescape or any other number of things I personally don't enjoy. Hobbies aren't a universal language, but everyone can enjoy a good story.

    • @paysonfox88
      @paysonfox88 Před 2 lety

      My favorite is Zack greinke for being weird. He quit baseball to go mow lawns in 2006. He had to get talked back into training camp in the offseason that year.
      And the toughest man in baseball Nolan Ryan. That guy had a cattle ranch that he ran in the offseason. That's not an easy off season job.

  • @cgonz8
    @cgonz8 Před 2 lety +212

    It is so hard for me to refrain from googling how this story ends

    • @falcon1378
      @falcon1378 Před 2 lety +4

      Same

    • @Drogon7102
      @Drogon7102 Před 2 lety +12

      I love the suspense of learning something from jon bois dramatic style. Its worth the wait.

    • @overdahedge2014
      @overdahedge2014 Před 2 lety +8

      it's been so worth it

    • @Lastclerk3
      @Lastclerk3 Před 2 lety +8

      I remember when they had a previous episode end on a cliffhanger game about the 85 Royals, and as a life long Royals fan I was like… welp, I don’t know exactly how this goes, but it ain’t ending well.

    • @falcon1378
      @falcon1378 Před 2 lety

      @@Lastclerk3 at least you guys won in 2015, (congrats btw) Us nationals fans had to wait like, forever.

  • @theladyhrae
    @theladyhrae Před rokem +33

    There's a beautiful difference between how Jon and Alex deliver their gut punches in story-telling. Jon is an early yelp right as the coaster crests that first dizzying climb; there is always a sign, no matter how faint, that your stomach is about to drop. Alex catches you before your mind has a chance to register what is happening; by the time you understand, you're already bleeding from the knife in your gut. It's gorgeous and horrifying.

  • @benstephens4994
    @benstephens4994 Před 2 lety +69

    I'm English. I've watched about half a game of baseball in my life. I actively follow at least 4 other sports. At no point did I believe he would get a no hitter. Despite all of this, Dave Stieb is now my favourite player of any sport of all time.

  • @derick-smith
    @derick-smith Před 2 lety +72

    I said the Mariners series deserved an Emmy. This deserves something bigger. The biggest thing I can give is the bucket of tears I cried watching this alone in a dark room with a concerned dog looking at me. Amazing storytelling. Like damn.

    • @dannycomellas
      @dannycomellas Před 2 lety +1

      Seriously. I wonder if this can be submitted for "Best Documentary" at the Oscars.

    • @paradoxicalbum4489
      @paradoxicalbum4489 Před 2 lety +1

      My dog was also concerned.

    • @CGlied
      @CGlied Před 2 lety

      It’s already been nominated for a Nobel Prize. True story.

  • @dfp_01
    @dfp_01 Před 2 lety +269

    Jon and Alex never fail to bring tears to my eyes with their flawless retelling of events, no matter how dull. That they've devoted so much time to the story of one man is incredible. Thank you both

    • @Thej611
      @Thej611 Před 2 lety +5

      I’m literally in tears right now. I’m right there with you

    • @laurenm908_
      @laurenm908_ Před 2 lety +4

      not just tears. i am sobbing. womanly emotions and the beauty of baseball mix perfectly.

  • @carletto91
    @carletto91 Před 2 lety +29

    The final line is what really does it for me.
    "He really got it just in time, in the final month, in the final full season he will ever play. But this was just one of his whales. Whether he can see them yet or not, the others are still out there."
    It almost moves me to tears every time.

  • @to_tire
    @to_tire Před 9 měsíci +5

    That crescendo of a sentence "This is how baseball moves" is delivered so perfectly, with such force, as to make beautiful all things that have come before that moment, for it is all those hardships, sadnesses, jubilations, and breakthroughs that enabled this one perfect, crystalline moment. Bravo. Well said.

  • @bluemonkjd
    @bluemonkjd Před 2 lety +51

    My ignorance of Dave Stieb has made the story all the more compelling. Which is to say, you really had me believing he'd lose one more no-hitter 26 outs in.

  • @Mardorion
    @Mardorion Před 2 lety +68

    I still remember watching the Cleveland game in my basement in Burlington. The thing that stuck most in my 7 year old brain was that there was an airshow happening near the stadium at the same time. It blew my mind that he could focus so completely on pitching while airplanes would periodically fly by.

    • @MKPiatkowski
      @MKPiatkowski Před 2 lety +7

      Probably because we have an airshow in Toronto every year during the final weekend of the CNE (which is where Exhibition Stadium got its name). He would have been used to it.

  • @TheMightyPatapon
    @TheMightyPatapon Před 2 lety +111

    I don't watch or care much about baseball. I've never heard of Dave Stieb before. It is a testament to everyone who works on these that you can get me to feel so much for something I otherwise have no connection to. I do not think it is an overstatement to say that you guys are polishing the writing of sports and its players to a near perfect finish. There is nothing else quite like what you all do out there, and I'd like to thank you for doing it.

  • @GreekInThe6ix
    @GreekInThe6ix Před 2 lety +41

    Dave Stieb is the “comic’s comic” of Major League pitchers: everyone in the league knew how he good he was, but only a cult following among fans understood.

  • @eglizabeth4336
    @eglizabeth4336 Před 2 lety +96

    everybody always talking about Jon Bois but people are sleeping on Alex Rubenstein and how much he adds to these

    • @Klatchan
      @Klatchan Před 2 lety +8

      Agreed, same with Kofi in Fumble Dimension.

    • @kimblandino
      @kimblandino Před 2 lety +1

      I find Alex, Kofi, etc. more easy to listen to.
      Jon's vocal fry can grate on me.

    • @isaacjones6323
      @isaacjones6323 Před 2 lety +7

      Alex is great, but he feels like he's reading a script while Jon's delivery is more natural

    • @justinlewis4970
      @justinlewis4970 Před 2 lety +11

      I think Alex has come a long way. He's made his metaphors more simple and provides the right tone for the heavy statistical work he's presenting. They've found a groove.

  • @mauriciobetimpaesleme8702
    @mauriciobetimpaesleme8702 Před 2 lety +122

    Crying my eyes out on this ending....
    I had already forfeited all hope, NGL
    Jon Bois, you are a masterpiece in crafting a moment!

  • @danielphillips6859
    @danielphillips6859 Před 2 lety +79

    As someone who had no idea how this story was going to end, I said to myself, wow. He's really not going to get it. And then he did, and I couldn't do anything except break down and cry. Just marvelous storytelling. I think it's the most beautiful, emotionally fulfilling video I've ever watched. Thank you for sharing it.

  • @thatgingermatt
    @thatgingermatt Před 2 lety +28

    I’m a guy who was born in 1997, has only lived in the Carolinas and am a Yankees fan. I had ZERO idea who Dave Stieb was before this series and now here I am, at 9:40 in the morning, crying in my car before work because he finally threw his no hitter. This series is amazing, thank you

  • @ardenstaples9114
    @ardenstaples9114 Před 2 lety +77

    I swear every Dorktown episode or season is exactly what I am looking for in sports writing. This is so well done every time. Live forever Jon and Alex

  • @alexward1319
    @alexward1319 Před 2 lety +42

    i had never heard of dave stieb until these started and now he's my favorite player of all time

  • @Cheezus22
    @Cheezus22 Před 2 lety +46

    Jon, Alex. You guys (and your team at SB) are the ONLY ones that could make me (a person who has not watched baseball in any capacity in over 20 years) care so much for a person I have zero connection to, zero rooting interest for, and zero knowledge of. When that outfielder caught that pitch I teared up, like wtf. You guys are the absolute best.

  • @Flargenyargen
    @Flargenyargen Před 2 lety +88

    10:55 is the most well written, timed, and edited thing I've ever seen in a documentary. Legendary story all around, too. Awesome stuff!

    • @Trainlover2002
      @Trainlover2002 Před rokem +21

      It made me jump, HARD, the first time I watched this. An actual "baseball jumpscare".

    • @BlueValleyTS
      @BlueValleyTS Před rokem +1

      @@Trainlover2002 ME TOO, literally just happened! 😭

  • @charger479
    @charger479 Před 2 lety +144

    Not being a baseball fans makes these videos hit even harder. im watching the story unfold like im back in time. Great as always guya!

    • @dominichooson7308
      @dominichooson7308 Před 2 lety +10

      today you got to learn about the goat Rickey Henderson for the first time and im truly envious

    • @teen_laqueefa
      @teen_laqueefa Před 2 lety +1

      Guya?

  • @bigugly4770
    @bigugly4770 Před 2 lety +49

    This was one of my favorite CZcams videos ever. When that ball was caught at the end I started crying

  • @shauneagle
    @shauneagle Před 2 lety +42

    After watching part 3 of this series, I went out to eBay to buy Dave Stieb's rookie card at any cost.... only to find that including shipping, it cost me $1.60. Ugh.

    • @Zaximillian
      @Zaximillian Před rokem +13

      So you get it signed by the man himself, removing all silly notions of price on this unique thing in the world. Maybe ask him to sign,
      "To Shaun:
      Tomorrow you'll be perfect.
      - Dave Stieb"
      I think he would.

  • @KMX22
    @KMX22 Před rokem +5

    44:00 Only Secret Base can make me shed a tear for a player I never knew existed in a sport I've rarely watched

  • @CB-vt3mx
    @CB-vt3mx Před 2 lety +57

    I have maintained for years that Stieb was one of, if not THE most valuable pitchers in the MLB from 1981 to 1990 and in a fairer world should have 2 if not 3 Cy Young awards and potentially 1 MVP. But those awards are TV driven, not performance driven. Had Stieb pitched in St Louis, NY, Cincinnati, or even Oakland, he may also have won 2 or 3 WS rings. The fate of being the franchise pitcher for a club like Toronto is to be Dave Stieb.

    • @YOSSARIAN313
      @YOSSARIAN313 Před 2 lety

      If he pitched on the Yankees he'd have had 2-3 cy youngs

    • @richardkralick3062
      @richardkralick3062 Před 2 lety

      There was talk from the conservative people in the US that the 1992 WS should not be awarded to a foreign team, as it's an US pastime.

  • @georgemichaels3rdnut
    @georgemichaels3rdnut Před 2 lety +82

    The ending about baseball in motion so violent the words made me tear up ive never been able to quite explain the love for it and why it is. Perfectly described

  • @TheRotundRider
    @TheRotundRider Před 2 lety +35

    43:51 I wasn't expecting it. I was in shock. I had to rewind the whole sequence and watch it again because I was convinced I had heard it wrong. Upon reaching this moment for the second time, I started to full-on ugly, man cry for this man.

  • @bentucker1107
    @bentucker1107 Před 2 lety +8

    It is my humble opinion that every movie should have a 15 minute aside where they just talk about Rickey Henderson

  • @chaosof99
    @chaosof99 Před 2 lety +41

    After the heartache of last episode, I knew that the way the episode started could only end in disaster, but like falling out of a building you know it's not going to be pretty when the splat comes but you still dread it all thet way.
    However, I am so glad that at the end of the episode, we finally saw him catch the whale. In wrestling terms he pulled a Tetsuya Naito: Find success by no longer caring.

  • @eshep71
    @eshep71 Před 2 lety +171

    That was a great shot and narration used for the final out of the No Hitter. All of your guy's videos are great.. but the two of you working together on the past couple of series' has been something else. Excellent quality

  • @da4an1qu1
    @da4an1qu1 Před 2 lety +45

    Damn those feels! What a kindness you've done to Stieb, baseballers and baseball in general.

  • @nickymolitoris799
    @nickymolitoris799 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Coming back to this video just for the ending. That quote, "This is how the sport of Baseball moves..." is maybe the most beautiful and spectacular way the games ever been described. Dammit Jon you did it again.

  • @robertskarklins5740
    @robertskarklins5740 Před 2 lety +18

    I’ve never been so happy for something that happened 30 years ago. In a sport that I don’t know nothing about too.

  • @dcbandnerd
    @dcbandnerd Před 2 lety +42

    43:37
    Of the many great quotes about this game I've loved my whole life, this one may be my new favorite. Thank you.

    • @InchonDM
      @InchonDM Před 2 lety +6

      I couldn't agree more. It's a perfect summary of something I've been trying to express about baseball for years.

    • @c.seanholliday3153
      @c.seanholliday3153 Před 2 lety +5

      "This is how the sport of baseball moves:
      not at all, and then, all at once,
      with such terrifying speed the lines begin to bend,
      and then not at all,"

  • @dasamont8274
    @dasamont8274 Před 2 lety +19

    Damn, this got me teary-eyed. Especially now that I know that Dave Stied is sitting at home watching this with the rest of us.

  • @najakwarkle
    @najakwarkle Před 2 lety +3

    The mounted expectation of another let down, the ball in the air, the slow motion and blur of the camera hastily tracking the ball, I got up and turned away, gritting my teeth at what I thought would be another gulf of bad luck. To see Stieb get so close to another no-no, on the razor's edge of success and failure, and then achieve it. The wave crashed. I cried. ♥

  • @jacoblebold8462
    @jacoblebold8462 Před 2 lety +18

    Gotta love how Cleveland, the team that he played for that first one-hitter, is also the one that gave him his no-hitter.

  • @tjtaylor6431
    @tjtaylor6431 Před 2 lety +53

    I knew the “ending” but even still seeing it in Chapter 3 and knowing there’s a whole chapter to come still brought a tear to my eye.

    • @redskullz1249
      @redskullz1249 Před 2 lety +1

      Wait, there's another chapter to come?

    • @randylevy
      @randylevy Před 2 lety +2

      Same here...I really want to make some comments but am waiting another 2 weeks. ⏳

    • @teen_laqueefa
      @teen_laqueefa Před 2 lety

      @@randylevy thanks, don't spoil, I was a diehard Reds fan in my youth (the 80s)

    • @willd1790
      @willd1790 Před 2 lety +1

      @@redskullz1249 If you've been reading ahead you'll see that a rather...important chapter in Blue Jays history is right around the corner

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise Před 2 lety

      @@willd1790 Unfortunately Stieb was not a significant part of that. Glad he got his rings, but he was essentially done after 1990.
      The big focus of the next part will likely be the HOF case, and morecomparisons to Jack Morris in particular. Stieb certainly has the better stats than Morris, but Morris has the playoff success (including an insane 1991 earning a World Series MVP). If Stieb had a run like 1991, he would absolutely be in the Hall.

  • @chunt7343
    @chunt7343 Před 2 lety +30

    Jon is one of the most talented story tellers in history. Alex is an incredibly gifted writer. Amazing content.

    • @SimuLord
      @SimuLord Před 2 lety +5

      In some of the more recent episodes of Chart Party, you see "Additional research by Alex Rubenstein" in the credits. Jon just let Alex join in the commentary, because Jon is, like late-career Dave Stieb, a guy less concerned with individual glory and more concerned with using his talents to elevate his teammates.

  • @joanjobs4359
    @joanjobs4359 Před 2 lety +19

    I remember this game as a kid, with my family vacationing somewhere on the Canadian side of Lake Erie, watching on an old tv with rabbit ears as the signal carried from Ohio across the lake. if it had been against any other team we wouldn't have seen it, it was magical. And at that time Junior Felix was my favourite Blue Jay because he hit a homerun in his first MLB at-bat at a game I was at for my bday, so I was a little over-excited that he had caught the final out.

  • @Disastromatic
    @Disastromatic Před 2 lety +29

    I knew where this was going. I watched it as a child. The journey didn't mean as much then, and even for a 9-year old who loved the Blue Jays, the arrival didn't hit nearly as hard.

  • @christianlawrence2714
    @christianlawrence2714 Před 2 lety +45

    You now have a memory of your father saying, 'He's no Dave Stieb.'

  • @JoshTheOther
    @JoshTheOther Před 9 měsíci +2

    coming back to this because that standing ovation after the broken up perfect game is one of my favorite moments in any sports documentary period. Makes me cry.

  • @justinmartin1831
    @justinmartin1831 Před 2 lety +10

    I was at the game where Dave Stieb finally threw his no hitter. I was 10 years old and still remember the game fairly well. I was too young at the time to truly appreciate the magnificence I witnessed...and no I'm not lying. I actually was there.

  • @jkbuckeye1
    @jkbuckeye1 Před 2 lety +19

    The storytelling in this series is next level. You could hardly tell at any point (except maybe when Jon inflects “*three* no-hitters*) that this was gonna be the one. Plus the shot of Stieb in the dugout before that last ninth inning is absolutely everything.

    • @TheGeorgeD13
      @TheGeorgeD13 Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah that shot of him in the dugout is just great. He's so unbelievably tired of this shit but he can't help himself. He's a stubborn bastard ready to dance with the devil once more with gritted teeth.

    • @boxwi
      @boxwi Před 2 lety +1

      The inflection can still be compared to 0 no hitters Not that telling.

  • @petermccannell7565
    @petermccannell7565 Před 2 lety +29

    It's funny, I kbow the story of dave stieb, and even still I was sitting there at the end on the edge of my seat waiting for heartbreak, despite knowing the outcome. This has got to be one of the best pieces you guys have put out

  • @noahbaden90
    @noahbaden90 Před 10 měsíci +1

    It's my favorite thing that in the middle of the 3 hour Stieb documentary, there's a momentary tangent for Rickey Henderson's 1989 ALCS, and in the baseball bits about Henderson's 1989 ALCS, there's a tangent about Stieb having the most pitching WAR in the 80s.

  • @thenumberquelve158
    @thenumberquelve158 Před 2 lety +6

    Every little thing about these Dorktowns is brilliantly crafted. The use of gold tiles instead of silver or black to indicate Perfect Game instead of No Hitter, for instance.
    And then the delivery of the ACTUAL successful No Hitter was phenomenal. I don't follow baseball closely at all so I was completely expecting that final hit to be a homer. You led my heart down a dark path only to show me the light at the last second. I genuinely can't imagine better storytelling.

  • @yaboi912
    @yaboi912 Před 2 lety +17

    Jon Bois could narrate anything and I’d be invested.

    • @SimuLord
      @SimuLord Před 2 lety

      Jon's done so many amazing narrations that it's hard to choose the best of the best...
      ...but for my money, the framing of Bob Beamon's record-breaking long jump is his absolute apex.

  • @AndThatsBaseball
    @AndThatsBaseball Před 2 lety +24

    Man, you guys have somehow, some way, outdone yourselves again. What a great episode, can't wait for the finale.

  • @maxriley1769
    @maxriley1769 Před rokem +2

    I'm some random Australian guy. I don't watch baseball, and frankly I only vaguely understand the rules. And here I am tearing up about some random Toronto pitcher whose career peaked before my parents met.
    Transcendent storytelling. Sports Journalism as fine art.

  • @chairman96
    @chairman96 Před rokem +3

    The most emotional I have ever gotten over a youtube video.
    Seriously, why am I crying so hard right now

  • @jkbuckeye1
    @jkbuckeye1 Před 2 lety +5

    Stieb just built the tallest, brightest object in Dorktown proper, and now I’m wondering if they will keep it lit when we revisit!

  • @leonardlumbers
    @leonardlumbers Před 2 lety +3

    That sound effect at @11:00, ooof. Punishingly effective, guys. You know what I’m talkin’ about. Post-audio engineers throughout Hollywood will henceforth refer to it as the “Roberto Kelly Dagger” sound.

  • @jarenhimelick6748
    @jarenhimelick6748 Před 2 lety +11

    Thank you for this video, it gave me chills and made me tear up multiple times. This comment will probably get lost in the doldrums of the internet but I don’t care, thanks Jon and Alex, the way you tell sports stories is the best.

  • @GeauxWyatt
    @GeauxWyatt Před 2 lety +1

    When you think too much about it, sports are arbitrary games we made to distract ourselves from regular life. But the great thing about sports is that it can tell stories. Athletes are our modern day folk heroes, and rather than scripted drama, these guys live the drama, and in a way we live it with them. That’s the power in sport. Jon and Alex are doing a fantastic job elevating sports into true storytelling. Brilliant work!

  • @skynyrdjesus
    @skynyrdjesus Před 2 lety +19

    I'm sorry to say I watched this so casually it took me until Episode 3 to realize why it's called Captain Ahab

  • @owenhebda9083
    @owenhebda9083 Před 2 lety +4

    I’ve been looking for something to fill 46 minutes and 11 seconds of my day all morning

  • @seozo0w0
    @seozo0w0 Před 2 lety +5

    Dude they are so good they are able to use the mid roll ads to enhance their documentary WTF

  • @gjlrocco9793
    @gjlrocco9793 Před 2 lety +4

    Your videos on Dave Stieb should put him in the baseball hall of fame also, he should won 3 to 4 Cy Young’s in the 80’s. He was the best pitcher in that time. It’s very sad because he was so underrated as a pitcher.

  • @Doublee73
    @Doublee73 Před 2 lety +4

    Y’all fucking GOT me at the end you brilliant bastards. I’ve been so tramatized by the tragedies that Secret Base typically highlights that I was truly blindsided by the outcome

  • @randychilders9996
    @randychilders9996 Před 2 lety +5

    Growing up a Tigers fan in the 80s, I dreaded when Stieb was on the mound. It was going to be a tough day

  • @connorb3931
    @connorb3931 Před 2 lety +1

    I barely watch sports. I barely know sports teams or players aside from the ones that my friends and family mention in passing. Never in a million years did I think that I would be crying watching a documentary about a sport I'm not invested in, about a team I barely know, about a player I never knew existed, but somehow Jon and Alex have brought me to tears. Beautiful work, your story telling never ceases to amaze me!

  • @RamiroR22
    @RamiroR22 Před 2 lety +1

    Can't understand this level of story-telling and sports-writing. I have nothing but pure love for Jon and Alex. All of their videos are just heartbreaking and warming at the same time. I wan't to hang up with them

  • @parkourcabinets
    @parkourcabinets Před 2 lety +5

    At that final reveal, I completely popped off. So much emotion and resolution all in the catching of one baseball. Incredible

  • @christianrivera9148
    @christianrivera9148 Před 2 lety +3

    Dave Stieb underrated pitcher. Rickey Henderson is just unfathomable in his greatness. I remember being a Mets fan in 1999 when he cranked a homer vs Cincinnati in the wild card playoff and stole over 30 bases near 40 a true superstar.

  • @xiaoxiaostickguy
    @xiaoxiaostickguy Před 2 lety +1

    First, when describing the sheer rarity of the Perfect Game, not just a no-hitter, I couldn't bear to see that he failed yet again. I had to look ahead to be sure, my heart sunk, and even then, it gave me a painful emotional jolt hearing it go away watching it through. The detour into Ricky Henderson's greatness helped me relax after that, but when the story of yet another No-Hitter brewing up struck, I was just filled with dread. Thinking "This is just how it goes for him, isn't it? An elite pitcher who can't reach perfection." I've yet to watch the final episode yet, but it did make me appreciate the poetic end of his career that he was in the Bullpen and a Home Run ball that ruined a promising young pitcher's No-Hitter landed squarely into his hands.
    When he actually completed that No-Hitter at the end of this episode, it almost made me want to cry.

  • @citythink
    @citythink Před rokem +2

    I’m on the edge of tears watching the breakup of the perfect game. I remember watching it. I was born in 71, and grew up a Jays fan in London Ontario just down the road from Toronto. Stieb was a hero of mine. Always loved the guy and that ovation reflects how we generally felt about him.
    Awesome series folks!!

  • @kevinryba7424
    @kevinryba7424 Před 2 lety +6

    I don't even like baseball but that last out brought a tear to my eye. Good work, gentlemen.

  • @oswjim
    @oswjim Před 2 lety +5

    this is by far the best dorktown series, period ---- can't wait for the final episode

  • @spyinnzus
    @spyinnzus Před 2 lety +2

    I thought a scrolling shot of a ruler with Bob Beamon's jump would be the most emotionally touching thing Jon Bois would ever do to us. This has topped it.

  • @beezuschristo7547
    @beezuschristo7547 Před rokem +1

    “This is how the sport of baseball moves. Not at all, then all at once, with such terrifying speed the lines begin to bend. Then not at all.”
    Beautiful

  • @JackSerafini77
    @JackSerafini77 Před 2 lety +5

    Man, as a Toronto sports fan this episode just made me so happy and it is so cool to see Stieb get the attention he should as one of the all time greats.

  • @pokemonsterable
    @pokemonsterable Před 2 lety +3

    Stuff like this is so poignant because it represents what everyone feels, struggling to capture something you've been so close to but just keep failing. You start to tell yourself it doesn't matter and that it won't happen but deep down you still really want it. And then finally when you've almost given up all hope you achieve it and realize just how important it was to you.
    Thanks Secret Base for sharing these amazing stories with us.

  • @Bpgasoliney21
    @Bpgasoliney21 Před rokem +1

    Oh boy here I go crying tears of joy rewatching this. Every time I do I still can't believe it

  • @sp0ck1p
    @sp0ck1p Před 2 lety +1

    I've watched a lot of these videos now, but this is the only one that has made me cry a little bit.