Two-strike strikeouts, three-ball walks, and other counting failures | Dorktown
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- Have you ever tried counting to four? It’s a skill that’s almost impossible to master, and baseball players and umpires find it as difficult as the rest of us do. In this episode of Dorktown, we’re examining the dozens of times that everyone on the baseball diamond has gotten the count wrong.
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This can be baseball’s version of scorigami. Imagine an account tweeting once a year saying “3 BALL WALK 🚨”
Twitter fame can be yours
Scorigami is art. Getting the count wrong is just hilarious. Or frustrating, depending on your favorite team
Dear god! If you have the twitter API and some MLB stats API which i dont know but MUST exist you might be able to do it all automatic !
@@LeonelEBD that’s why I suggested it instead of actually trying to do it, there’s no way I’m smart enough to do that myself so hopefully someone can.
rack him!
Yeah, uhh... ...I'm going to need a "You're in San Diego and I'm in Hell" sweatshirt in the Secret Base merch shop immediately.
Yes
That line sounds like a perfect emo pop punk lyric, like if my brain wasn’t functioning properly, I could have easily mistaken it for being lyrics from a Bayside album
Came here to say this
I read this abomination in the annoying up-speak infliction that basic white girls use
Arent those the same places though?
The two takeaways from this:
1) baseball announcers literally have no object permanence.
2) umpires refuse to admit when they're wrong, because they're afraid the baseball players will launch a Spartacus-esque uprising.
As a commentator, it's better to play along than get mad/draw attention to something you're not even sure of
"ohh look this fastball is 77 mph, that's gotta be a record, anyway like i was saying it's 3-2"
A 77 MPH Fastball.. and it wasn't Jered Weaver
Dude zito used to throw like a 70 mph fastball, never understood why no one ever just waited on it and crushed it lol
I love the Mariners Special cameo. The Dorktown Extended Universe is really stretching it's legs.
I’d like to buy a bedspread that’s just the entire graphic of the DORKTOWN nebula
The Mariners cameo made me very happy
We live in that universe
The Pretty Good Dorktown Extended Universe
Go Mariners
I completely brainfarted once in middle school baseball and ran to 1st on a passed ball, except that pitch only made the count 3-2. Made it to 1st, sold it like a WWE champion, and the umpire called me safe and kept the game moving. Biggest finesse of my youth sports career.
Stole first base
@@Thomaas551Tim Locastro is jealous
Fake it til you make it.
Jon Bois having a mini-meltdown is epic.
He's had some great ones.
“YOU’RE IN SAN DIEGO AND I’M IN HELL”
(Heavy sigh...)
@@jasonremy1627 I think, if you had to create a top 5 list of the best Bois meltdowns, at least three would be from Dumbest Boy Alive
@@EMETRL that one, or the Olympic marathon one...
The best advice I ever got in my career in television was “as long as you walk in like you’re supposed to be there, no one will ask what you’re doing.” I’ve entered so many events and buildings in this way. Never once questioned.
it's pretty much the thesis statement of the entire Hitman franchise
@@IncoherentMoron Helps if you steal somebody's clothes first.
You can get in anywhere with a ladder and some confidence. Everyone just assumes you're supposed to be there
This was my mantra for attending sporting events. Use the security entrance and just walk to the nearest elevator or stairwell without acknowledging anyone.
Classic example of "Social Engineering".
"You're in San Diego and I'm in hell" sounds like a quote from the Charger's front office to its 8 remaining fans.
Saying the Chargers have 8 fans is a very generous number 😂
@@JWex-jy7sk True. Half the fan base did disappear when River's kids became Colts fans.
I'm offended. I know for a fact there's at least 10 of us.
@@bobbyshizz2138 Typical Charger's fan, loses count after running out of fingers. :p
I'm one of the 8. I'm stuck in this fanship with no way out.
Stephen Strasburg pitched an immaculate inning that only the radio booth realized was an immaculate inning
I need to see this
in 2020 the announcers didnt know plesac threw one as well
I was at that game. I didn’t realize it either.
A few years ago, I scored a college game in which the umpire issued an apparent three-ball walk. Batter tosses the bat toward the dugout and trots down to first. There were runners on first and second, so both of them move up. But the pitching team's coaching staff questions the count, the umpires convene and they realize the error. Plate ump says, "My mistake, ball three, batter you're still up."
Thus, the batter returned to the plate as instructed. But here's the goofy part: the two runners got to stay at second and third. And best yet, their advances officially counted as STOLEN BASES.
Not goofy at all, it's actually brilliant strategy! I'll bet they practiced the "pretend walk/double steal" play many times, totally catching the other team by surprise and capitalizing on everyone's confusion!
Subtitled: "You will never forget the word for 'chyron' ever again."
I never even knew it was called that. I just thought it was a scoreboard
I always thought a chyron was just the text on the bottom of a news screen
We call it the "score bug" sometimes. Fully operated by a guy in the production vehicle.
@@bmac4 I thought it was a centaur.
"Chyron" is actually a registered trademark. The news chyrons are more properly called the "lower third" and, as Rick said, the ones in sports are known as the "score bug".
we now know that you can’t make a Dorktown video without making a short amendment to the Mariners video
I bet this video came out of the Mariners series. They saw the two Mariners incidents and wanted to include it, but figured a seperate, bigger video would be better
Appendix 1 looking ass
“...We don’t need a sweatshirt! You’re in San Diego, and I’m in hell.”
Top quality Jon quote there.
that's the thing! we DO need a sweatshirt! and it needs to say "You're in San Diego and I'm in Hell!"
@@DoubleKillFilms true, THAT sweatshirt needs to exist. But Bois is correct that in Hell, like in San Diego in late September, it's generally too hot to wear a sweatshirt.
(full disclosure, for the hell part, I'm relying on heresy, not personal experience)
@@DoubleKillFilms it is,jon says it's san diego and living in hell sweatshirt was always forgotten moments ever,In My Opinion.
@@JMacSD it's getting rain out here in san diego.....because the announcer and also The broadcaster sports didn't notice that....probably #Dorktown #SBNation
As someone who has lived in San Diego County since 2010 you generally wear a sweatshirt at morning/night starting around September/October, and all day from about mid November-mid February.
"There's the Ump, doing his very best Richard Nixon impression" got me so bad 😂😂😂
Why were they even drawing a heart on Logan Foursythe in the first place
So I went and found the game here m.czcams.com/video/ECyU-nehgd4/video.html the venable AB is at 1:26:30 about and as best I can tell they are doing it because they're excited for forsythe's future because he impressed them at the end of the season. The other announcer is already talking about the sand sculpture by the time he draws the heart, and the only thing he says about it is "I haven't seen this many hearts since February 14th"
@@sethh5106 The funniest part of this is that Logan Forsythe got traded to Tampa about a year and half later and he never played another game for the Padres after 2013. They fell out of love so fast xD
As a Padres fan, this question wouldn't occur to me. Mark (Mud) Grant, the color guy on Padres TV broadcasts since the '90s, does goofy crap like this all the time.
A meaningless game at end of a long, bad Padres season? I would doubt Mud said more than 20 words about what was happening on the field in the 3ish hours.
logan we-can't-count-to-foursythe
@@JMacSD Early-80s, late September, middle of the week, very heavy rain, bad traffic, home team is 30+ games out of it, so are the opponents, and I was at what must have been a record-small crowd at a Mariners game. The Kingdome was warm and dry, but why would anyone bother going to the game? They could have had all sorts of bad calls, incorrect calls, announcers talking about Grandma and her rye bread...wouldn't have mattered one bit. But Jon Bois would have looked at the box score. Love it.
This is it. This is why I love baseball. By sheer volume of plate appearances, the improbable becomes inevitable.
21:37 The game actually did have some implications, with regards to the 2012 MLB draft. If the Padres had lost that game, they would've picked at 5 instead of 7. Instead of being tied with the Royals and Cubs, they would have a worse record than both and pick in front of both of them. With the 7th pick, the Padres selected Max Fried, which they might not have if they were 2 spots higher. In that case, Fried might have been selected by a different team and never traded to the Braves, which means a crucial part of that World Series run would've never been on the team, and possibly the World Series would've been much different.
Because of dorktown I now want a child called bob that plays for the Mariners and I’m gonna bet him 50 bucks that he can do this in a game.
Just make sure he doesn't eat rat poison.
Or getting trapped in porta potty a whole night
make sure to send him to DeVry
Buy him a really nice lawn chair.
@@whups1744 And a bunch of balloons.
Me, watching this while eating: "Stupid umps. They count to 4 all the time and it's so easy. If something is easy and you do it all the time, how could you possibly make a mistake?"
Also me: "Damn, I just bit the inside of my own cheek!"
That's the thing. If you do something _all the time,_ it's pretty much inevitable that you will screw it up eventually. The reason we all bite our cheeks, stub our toes, trip on shoelaces, etc. is because we do them all the time. If you've never texted the wrong person by mistake, that's probably because you text less often than people who have, not more. It can sometimes produce counterintuitive results. If you start a youth soccer program in a neighborhood focusing on sports safety, even if the program is effective, you will probably end up with more soccer injuries after the program than before, since more kids will end up playing soccer.
Baseball is a symphony conducted in 4/4 time, but some umpires think they're dancing a waltz.
You can’t fool me. This is just the second epilogue of your Mariners doc
A 3-BALL WALK JUST HAPPENED AT TONIGHT'S MARINERS-ANGELS GAME
the mariners finally caught a break even though the announcers noticed it
edit: batter was carlos santana and he ended up scoring to put the Ms up 4-2 in the top of the 9th
another edit: took advantage of the extra out to make it 5-2 on a groundout with 1 away
Dylan Moore pinch ran for Carlos Santanna, who used Jedi mind tricks on the ump to turn a 2-2 count into a 3-1 count
CHAOS BALL
I’m convinced this is the greatest series on CZcams
It's pretty good
I second both of y'all
@@mephenstessina6081 both dorktown episode like God-Awful NFL reccords and Three strike and four ball stories is better to remember this
@@TheRepublicOfJohn it is
@@muhammadwahyuhidayat21498 anything Jon Bois is associated with is worth remembering
I love how every time Jon says “Long-time viewers may remember...” I know exactly what he’s talking about.
It’s always a good day when they upload before Sunday
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isnt every upload before sunday
@@osamauremama they usually upload on Sunday and sometimes give us an upload during the rest of the week
One trick is to have plate appearances that don't go anywhere. Like the time I walked on only 3 balls. I needed to get on base, so I decided to go to closest base, which is what they called first base in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to get a bat costs a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them. "Give me five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now, where were we? Oh, yeah. The important this was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big, yellow ones.
And... you win the internet today
Jon Bois the man that can turn boring into electric with a touch of jazz
I'm just here for the day we get the holy grail: The One Pitch Strikeout
The Two-Pitch Walk
That will never happen, unless we have a drunk ump
@@bezllama3325 This will inevitably happen as long as baseball keeps being played at the sheer volume which it's being played
Why not? They started the no pitch walk a few years ago, along with the tenth inning automatic second base runner.. Maybe give each club one free "wild card strikeout" per game.
I mean, of COURSE it's the Mariners who gets hit with two 3-ball walks in a week.
Why am I even surprised?
Secret Base: **Uploads a new baseball video**
Seattle Mariners: "Ah shit, here we go again."
I present this video as evidence: you can make content on any topic and as long as it is presented well enough people will watch/listen. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if SB pulled a fast one on us to show how easy it is to get away with an undeserved WALK on three balls
I'd say it was when they made a 40-minute compelling video about punting.
The other day I watched a two and a half hour analysis video about the Vampire Diaries, a show I've never seen and almost forgot existed. I was honestly invested by the end.
@@incognitoburrito6020 okay i know you left this comment a year ago but i’m so curious: was it jenny nicholson’s video?
Yordan Alvarez has just achieved a four-strike strikeout
Funny enough that old man with his wife at the Marlins game (22:47) is a life long season ticket holder and has been to almost every game in idk how many years. I know this because I’ve been to many Marlins games and they always put him on the big screen. He’s also on every kiss cam they do. All of this to say that he might notice a wrong count lol. Thanks for another great video!
9:19 Loving the "Mariners' estimated win probability" chart that just there and is never acknowledged.
That's the key to so many things, isn't it? Just act like you're supposed to do there and act like you're doing what you're supposed to be doing.
Hahaha, glad I’m not the only one who noticed. It was like an itch that you can’t quite scratch in the middle of your back, lol.
So what I'm getting from this video is that lots of guys get bored and mess up sometimes, but also that Chris Stewart, specifically, probably just can't count.
OOH! A Jon Bois Saturday special is on the menu boys
I'm glad that this channel has helped the world know what I have known for 24 years as a lifelong Mariners Fan.
We're a meme. We're the universe's dumping ground for chaos and confusion.
Even the guy runnin the scoreboard says he was out, and he’s way up in the mezzanine!!!
“I must kill...the queen.”
@@MarcoCaifan87 Armando Crishone ...... Crishone
Hey! It's Enrico Pallazzo!
I won't believe he's out until the Statue of Liberty confirms the umpire.
"You're in San Diego and I'm in Hell" is a fantastic quote
"Just act like you're supposed to be there. Act like you're doing what you're supposed to be doing. It works. I would know."
Cool to know Jon Bois steals hotel breakfasts just like me!
So, I want to mention cricket for a minute.. Bear with me.
In cricket we have a division of time called an "over". An over is 6 legal balls (pitches). Overs (along with clocks) are then used to measure time in the game. eg. length of a game, innings, or time played between breaks, etc.
There are 2 umpires on the field in cricket and both are counting. To aide this they use a simple counter. The typical design is an oval shaped piece of plastic that has 4 wheels that display 3 different things. At the top is a wheel with the numbers 0-6 on it for counting balls (pitches) in an over. There is a wheel on each side numbered 0-9 for counting total number of overs. Lastly there's a wheel at the bottom numbers 0-9 for counting the outs (there's 10 outs in an innings of cricket). These wheels require deliberate effort to move, make an audible click, and lock into place, requiring another deliberate effort to move again.
Standard practice is that after 4 balls (pitches), the umpires look to each other and show 2 fingers to indicate 2 balls (pitches) remaining and confirm they're both at the same number.
With all of this, we still get it wrong all the time.
Apparently counting is hard.
Not as hard as trying to understand cricket if you weren't born and raised in a Commonwealth country.
"Just act like you're supposed to be there. It works. I would know."
Jon. Dude. You're one of the greatest storytellers working today. Don't sell yourself short.
Carlos Santana just got a 3-ball walk against Aaron Loup in the top of the 9th inning, Mariners at Angels, August 15th 2022
(chyron and scoreboard(?) both said 2-2 but ump ruled pitch 2 as a ball)
@@richardzhang7474 Even better, the umpire called 2-2 but forgot the count and Santana convinced him it was actually 3-1
I will always appreciate Jon Bois for bringing the Mariners into the light.
I just had a HS baseball game last night, there was a terrible umpire who really didn't know what to do. our team just kept walking to first after ball 3, and it works twice before the other coaches began to notice what we were up to. it was hilarious.
May I take a moment to say how much I love the work that goes into this and all Dorktown videos . I have literally zero interest in baseball, yet I have watched them all many times.
I nearly cried when the Mariners chart showed up.
Look Jon, it's summer in San Diego, everyone is just killing time between the zoo and In-N-Out.
Anyone else come back to this video after Yordan Alvarez got away with a 4-strike groundout against the Red Sox?
I work on college sports broadcasts and "put up the pitch speed to hide that we're skipping 2" moments happen in every single game
I never realize how much I miss this series until I see a new episode posted.
And now I'm fully invested in seeing Jon and Alex pointing out other people's mistakes.
ditto. that also goes for the former series back then, wonder how much they left in the table that could be reused to content. never heard from them back to why they criated that much only to forget it.
I can already tell I'll watch this video at least six times
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@@kassondraaleman8993 Get the fuck out of here
We now have a 3 strike non-strikeout to add to the list!
That's the second in recorded history after the one at 12:11!
The Chiron on the Padres/Giants actually reset because it’s controller was so confused. The batter flew out with Chiron stating 0-1
That’s because the chyron software, in this case, it’s a separate proprietary graphics machine used by fox called “foxbox” that has logic built in based on the sport, so if the controller records a 4th ball it automatically puts the guy on base and resets the count.
In the past 4 years, they’ve added an undo button which is helpful in these type of situations especially when now the graphic shows who is at bat.
Hey, even super bowl MVPs struggle to count to 4 sometimes.
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I still don't know how we beat the Bucs lol
Convinced that was a ploy to keep expectations low heading into playoffs
The Cameron maybin one is the one I always remembered. I’m not even a Mariners fan and that one made me so mad
@Ryan Soltner What impact did that have on baseball history...
Well that was a 1-0 game and had the Padres never scored the Mariners could’ve won it in extras and the Padres finish the year with 70 wins instead of 71 wins.
That would’ve gave the Padres the 5th pick in the 2012 draft instead of the 7th pick and they probably take Kyle Zimmer and Max Fried (now an All Star pitcher) probably gets selected by the Royals
I love secret base but theres a certain feeling I get when I see a thumbnail that has a blue background and some weird graphics. It’s indescribable
The last line of the video is making me think Jon’s hiding something
I think it's just a reference to how his career developed. Jon was an early college dropout and is now a creative director at a huge sports blog - he likely had to fake it till he made it at least a couple times. And, as evidenced by his use of Google Earth as video editing software (???), he's definitely used to doing things his own way until they stick.
I love that Dorktown is growing. Pretty soon it’s gonna be Dorkcity.
At this point, Dorktropolis is only a matter of time.
Then, Dorknation
Super Dork Galaxy
The Dorkverse
@@praketingrichraft6181 the dvu- the dork video universe
As a kid, one time the batter after me had a one pitch walk. The last ball to me was a wildpitch with a play at the plate and some commotion ensued.
The ump forgot to update his clicker in all that so when the first pitch to the next batter was a ball, the umpire's clicker said ball four and he sent the runner on his way. I know some people noticed but my team werent saying anything and the other team was too confused and didnt say anything until it was to late.
I could listen to these two talk about anything for hours... how you managed to keep my undivided attention about counting to 4 for nearly a half-hour... you have a gift.
This reminds me of that Rangers/Padres game on June 18, 2012 where the Rangers' announcer proclaimed the go ahead run was at fifth on a botched robbery. Dude wasn't having a stroke, he was just following the scoreboard.
Imaging watching every game that you choose to watch with a lazer focus, now imaging seeing something like this... you might be the only one who noticed, and yeah you could tweat about or make a rant about it on youtube.
But do you really want to?
Wouldnt you prefer to save the memory and keep it secret? Maybe dm the guy who did the thing and say "hey i know". That moment in baseball is now yours and yours alone as a fan.
And I fucking love that.
Alex: “I hope the Yankees go 0-162 every year.”
Me, a Mets fan: 😍
Red Sox Nation endorses this post.
Me, a baseball fan: 😍
Me, a Mariners fan: Can we just make the playoffs, please???!!!
@@spiderman110990 I feel ya, buddy
@@spiderman110990 Look, we let you win 100 games so many times, and you did jack-all with it. You lost your playoff rights.
dorktown and baseball bits on the same day within a few minutes of each other? this might be the best day ever
Who else is back here after the 3 pitch not strike out by Yordan Alvarez
very glad this is still a series
Whenever SB mentions the never ending plight of my Mariners, the vein in my temple twitches ever so slightly.
You're bang on with the "other sports get it wrong too..." thing. 1995-96 Australian cricket season, one day match, Queensland vs South Australia. Umpire Parker allows an over of 11 legal balls (a wicket on the 5th ball was followed by a drinks break, and he restarted from zero...) This is in a sport where 6 legal deliveries from one end constitute an over, and the bowling must then change to the other end. A miscount of 1 either way is not unusual; a miscount of 5 is, as far as I am aware, unique.
Foolish and Bois at the same time? Let’s go?
An occurrence like this should henceforth be known as a Bailey-Bois.
@@DiscGolfLeagueMVP nice
4, never heard of her.
the music for this series is like home for me.
Thank you so much for keeping this going. It's amazing and I love you.
I love that Dorktown just goes back to the Mariners all the time. Appreciate it guys
I wish there had been at least once where the only person who noticed was one announcer, going “wait, was that not ball 4?”
They're probably under instructions not to contradict the umpires and like getting paid.
@@roguishpaladin This. Ive noticed that announcers are way more lenient to bad calls these days.
"This guy's off in his own universe, and good for him"
Also the music is always spectacular in these videos. I'm eternally grateful you put a list of tracks at the end
I think one of the big reasons most have happened in the past Decade is that now most people have the ability to pause and rewind live TV. It used to be that if you thought they got something wrong you just had to accept that you're wrong but now you can rewind and check for yourself
Best series. LET'S GO!
Ah yes, Pokémon’s drama queen likes SB Nation as well. What a surprise.
FINALLY!!!
Oh gosh a new Dorktown AND a new Baseball Bits on the same day? How are we so lucky?
I dont know if this was intentional, but I love that the information from the other Dorktown episodes is kept there with all the new information, like each episode adds more little "houses" or "buildings" which is what the information boxes are, truly creating a "Dorktown". If so, super neat concept!
these videos are so relaxing to watch
although an outlandish scenario, we may one day see an 8 pitch immaculate inning due to a 2 pitch strikeout
"We made an intern watch every at-bat in Major League history."
Ancient Vin Scully didn't miss a trick a few years ago in an Astros-Dodgers game. The batter worked the count to 4-2 but stayed in the box to hit. "Here comes the 4-2 pitch", cracked Scully, and it was fouled off. Another three pitches were fouled off until the batter popped out. This was sometime during the 100-loss years for Houston (2011-2013) and tells you why they lost over 100 games.
Saw the upload and got really excited
I love that this happened to the Mariners twice in a week
The thing about a 2-strike strikeout is that you really only need to count to 2, not 3. As long as you can count to 2, you will realize that after the last pitch, there were 2 strikes. You might not know too much about 3, but you know it's not 2, so the batter shouldn't be out yet. It's literally the dumbest possible counting error, since you don't exactly "count" to 1.
i havent really been in to sports since i was in high school. but your channel is awesome. i like hearing about the math and statistics you guys point out as well as the oddball rules. keep up the great work.
The colorado 5th down was especially interesting because the distraction was most likely caused by a fan having a fatal heart attack behind the buffs’ bench
“I never realized how boring this game is”
-sober Homer Simpson
It's been a good while since I've clicked on a video this fast!
On Jomboy they made their version of back alley baseball: no running, just hit and throw, one inning a piece. 4 games in, they already lost count of an at-bat.
It's endemic, whenever baseball is invented, people forget how to count.
I love the way Dorktown is growing with each chart!
"How hard is it to count to four?"
Neither of you know too many drummers, do you? :P
Look after listening to 70s prog and jazz for so many years I can confidently say drummers have turned forgetting how to count to 4 into a genre
My pal foot foot
New update: Gio Urshela with a 3-ball walk last night against the Tigers.
Another update: Yordan Alvarez with a 3-strike non-strikeout.
Thanks Jon and Alex.
Love you guys
Incredible as always sb
Need a sequel to “The Browns Live in Hell” now that they made the playoffs!
“The Browns Have Escaped Hell.”
My first big score in the sportsbook when I moved to Reno in 2002 was "Browns +8." They lost by 5.
18 years later, they shattered the hearts of the fans of the same team they covered that spread against all those years ago.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of assholes (says the Patriots fan about Pittsburgh.)
Only in 2020 can the team from hell make the playoffs
Annnnnnnnnnd they're in a whole new kind of hell LMAO
The integration of the Mariners’ graphs 👀👀
Best episode of Dorktown yet! And Alex & Jon are back!!!
The content u guys put out help me escape reality. Thank u so much.