I was scared to delid my CPU, but then...
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- čas přidán 21. 11. 2022
- DeBauer sent me his 7000 series CPU delid tool... this was way scarier than I thought it would be!
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ah yes, "Iridium" on the CPU. XD
New drinking game. Take a shot every time I say the wrong element
As a car guy, I can see how easily you can mix up Indium with Iridium. Iridium is used on certain types of spark plugs.
@@blockbertus Iridium is also a satellite system. Like Starlink's grandfather.
Does Iridium on the CPU get you a Starlink satellite connection?
iridium is minecraft business, in this case IndustrialCraft 2 or Gregtech ^^
derBauer: "It's idiot proof."
Jay: "Sounds like a challenge!"
it would have been nice if you SHOWED US HOW YOU PUT IT ALL BACK TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! W ... T .... F ... .... J ... A .... Y ... ????!!??!?!?!!?!??!?!?!
*red eye sound effect plays*
Surely you mean "Challenge accepted"
I mean, I see this as derBauer taking a joking jab at Jay. And Jay fell for it.
Jay.... Grabs belt sander.
The “decapitate” part of the manual is probably due to the fact that Roman calls deliding “köpfen” in German which literally means just that. Considering the amount of CPUs he’s already destroyed during deliding I think that’s actually a pretty accurate term for it 😂😂
Behead thy mate
"köpfen" is actually a pretty common term used by many germans in hardware forums - "Temperatur probleme, CPU geköpft oder nicht - thermal problems cpu delided or not".
It's just our way: one syllable less to pronounce 😜
Omelet, eggs.
lid and head are synonyms in this case.
It was neat to watch the delidding, but I was also hoping to see how you got it all back into the system. I was a little disappointed that it jumped from getting the top off to running the benchmarks.
Yeah! Same here. I was kinda curious what the process was. Not familiar with delidding.
Same, I wanted to see how replacing the retention bracket etc went.
Exactly! I was watching attentively to see Jay's solution to his retention bracket and they jumped from delidding to the benchmarks. :/
I'll give you one guess why he didn't show that part, and yes, I was deeply disappointed as well. It's literally the only reason I was watching this stupid video of a grown man risking the functionality of an extremely expensive CPU for literally no good reason whatsoever. Delidding CPUs is just trash nonsense.
He talks about it at around 26 mins, but sure, would have been nice to see.
I delided a 4790K years ago, used the vice method,, this was before you could buy a delidding tool, now that was truly terrifying! thankfully all went well, I applied some liquid metal pro and temps dropped a good 15 degrees, probably the best CPU I ever owned as far as overclockability, these days I don't bother as it's not worth voiding the warranty and overclocking is pretty much automatic these days (kind of lost its cool factor) unless you're into LN2 extreme overclocking otherwise it's just not worth the hassle
I think with these new temperature norms, delidding is going to be worth it again. I mean, look at the fact that he's 20 degrees lower with lower wattage with equal/better performance. That's absolutely worth losing warranty over, IMO.
I used the utility blade method for the 3770k. Can't recommend that. It was terrifying.
The vice method was positively tame on the other hand and about the same as one of the delidding tools minus the "fool proof" nature of it that came years after. It's what I used for the 4790k. Dropped from 100C to 70C at 4.7ghz. On a hyper 212 evo... Was very impressed. This was the era where you could get a hyper 212 evo for $20 on a sale with a mail in rebate. Ah good times.
@@LiveType bro, hyper 212’s are 60$ nowadays
It’s stupid…
But a great replacement is the Thermaltake UX200 SE
Comes with an RGB fan and is just as quiet and cools just as well as a 212 while costing 1/2 as much
@@rustler08 This happened because AMD wanted to "keep" the AM4 mounting but in order to achieve that the IHS got thicker and that is not helping with the heat dissipation. The thicker the IHS the harder it is to dissipate heat. Just like MSI did on the RX 5700XT, they used un-GODLY thick thermal pads on one of their GPU models and the memory temps where through the roof.
I use a 4790k in a secondary PC. I set a 4.7ghz all core OC and Temps are fair. Seeing you speak about delidding yours makes me want to attempt it.
Jay's german accent is more terrifying :)
xD
Lmao
The question is how much German Jay's knows?
not as terrifying as my Chinese 🤧🤣
@@weler1806 Probably not that much, looking at his performance here.
Would have been interesting to see where the clockspeed ends up with the 85°C limit and the -40mV offset to see if it is worth doing that (probably not but I'm still curious).
it would have been nice if you SHOWED US HOW YOU PUT IT ALL BACK TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! W ... T .... F ... .... J ... A .... Y ... ????!!??!?!?!!?!??!?!?!
I would not risk warranty over temperature difference
@@yoool7137 A few months in I would be comfortable using the lapping tool though. That would get the IHS down to a 5000 series thickness and tame the temps. 95 C does not feel right
@@Nobe_Oddy bruh you actually did this expecting it to be reversible?
@@bickyboo7789 He meant reinstalling the AIO cooler onto the delidded setup.
Jay, consider investing in some Kimwipes and acid brushes for cleaning PCBs. The brushes allow for getting into tighter spots and the Kimwipes are fiberless so you can use them to pick up the grime, flux, pastes, etc remnants that you loosed with the brush.
Acid brushes leave bristles everywhere, don’t do that. Kim wipes are good but of limited use here. Starting with a razor blade and removing the bull in one big piece is best
Don't do what either of these fellas recommend clearly you should invest in SHAM-WOW! that thing is INCREDIBLE
DONT LISTEN TO ALL 3 OF THESE SILLY BLOKES, LICKING THE BOARD CLEAN IS THE BEST OPTION.
Thanks for recommending kimwipes. I almost bought the blue shop towel because that's what everyone's using, but it's not locally common here in the Philippines.
@dj Kplus yes, you too can apply your tongue to your motherboard
Jay "I'm German. My mother is from munich"
Me, a German: "That's Bavaria. That's not Germany ;)"
Oh and for the 3 people, who understand that reference: Nochmal Bayern 👍
Everything south of the river Elbe is Bavaria. Northern Italy begins from the Kassel mountains. Gruß aus Lüneburg 😀
@@Lunatic3984 ey
Greetings from the Mountains around Kassel lol
I'd be really interested in seeing what the stock performance vs all the mods would be. Like a value breakdown
it would have been nice if you SHOWED US HOW YOU PUT IT ALL BACK TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! W ... T .... F ... .... J ... A .... Y ... ????!!??!?!?!!?!??!?!?!
@Defective Degenerate Besides speed, this helps maximize the efficiency of the cooler, keep components running at lower temps and lower voltage for better longevity, and lower noise of fans.
Not much difference actually I run a 7950x with bitspower block 360 Rad and idle temp is 36c on a strix 670e, the only Temps it actually helps is the 95c limit.
@@JoeMama-yl1ow I have a corsair 420mm AIO, and hit the 95⁰C limit, but my boosted cores hit between 5.8 and 5.95ghz.
@@nick_pappagiorgio longevity???? Practically no one who does these stupid modifications keep a pc longer than a few years.. because they damage more then they help. 🤦♂️
Colgate also makes two extra soft brushes. They have one that has a large surface area of bristles, with the other one having a much more thinned out & rather point styled one. Both work really well for cleaning out sensitive spots on uncured resin prints, so I imagine that it would work rather well for this sort of application also.
Mate, thanks a lot for this video. My order for the new Ryzen CPUs was litterally waiting for a video that showed me if it was possible to delid this thing and gain some degrees. Good job :)
22:06 Literally the thing that keeps me from doing any manual overclocking. These names are too arbitrary, some are there some seem to be missing, then it changes based on board manufacturer. I'm just too afraid I'll fry something because I misunderstood the name.
Kryonaut Extreme definitely has 1 to 3c better cooling but it also dries out quite a bit faster, as far as my experience shows. You want to re-apply yearly or you lose that extra thermal conductivity. If your going for overclocks or just peak performance it's one of the best you can buy. If your looking to build a system and use it long-term without changing components don't want to re-applying thermal paste regularly there are some better options for longevity over thermal conductivity.
Kryonaut is not great at high temperatures and the new gen is all about that. I don't know about the extreme version though but I believe it's an issue. I'm using MX-6.
I’m using graphite pads and my 7950X doesn’t hit 95 degrees until it’s well overclocked. Yes the IHS is awful and cooler compatibility wasn’t worth the compromise, but the hysteria is overblown. It’s not that big an issue. Certainly there’s no need to start lapping or delidding.
I used the NT-H1 on my CPUs and now 1 GPU the other Day. As far as i can tell it doesnt dry out for quiet some Time and it is one of the Best Thermal Pastes out there (for reasonable Price).
that's true. that's why most of mid to high range of pastes need few cycles of heat and cooling to really give their best. they last longer but they take more time to give their best. high end Grizzly is really made for OCers that don't wanna lose time with that. they give their best almost right out of the seringe. but you have to replace more often.
which is not an issue for a pc nerd. honestly i'd rather change it every year and have best cooling possible than using cheap paste. it's really not that hard to do. but i can understand people not liking to do it.
it's like running a car with old engine oil... many people push that to the limit and even way further. which is really not good at all.
@@flimermithrandirthis. super easy to handle. spreads easy. cleans easy.
Really looking forward to seeing the finished build.
Just bought some Kyronaut and the CPU Guards (Pads) for my 7950! Always glad I watch Jayz videos before I build! Thanks!! 🍻
They are ball bearings, but they are thrust bearings. So they are designed to allow movement on 2 parallel flat surfaces rather than just an axis inside a raceway. If that knife you are opening the box with is a higher quality one, it may have thrust bearing on the pivot to let the blade flick open without the resistance you would get if it was just a nylon washer.
The curve optimizer offset is just under the PBO settings. In my motherboard its under "amd overclocking". You dont have to change any of the voltages themselves.
Could be Asrock's bios is just kinda broken 😅... no motherboard OEM is infallible. Have had some wierd bios issues with my aorus elite x570 with settings not sticking (that was almost 3 years ago - built my current in Sept 2019) after that I only install bios revisions that don't have a letter in the version name.
@@earthtaurus5515 Probably bad settings, I have the same board and it will flake out easily if you push some things too much or change one thing at the wrong time. Curve Optimizer is usually hidden in the PBO menu. Set PBO to manual it shows up.
@@earthtaurus5515i learned that when you have an OC failure followed with hard reboot or auto reboot it messes up the saves. that's why i always do a clear CMOS when it fails. i always restart with a fresh clean bios. i just write my best results on paper. like this i can safely work on overclocking without having weird response from bios. once the best result found, i just create a profil with only 1 save. i don't leave multiple saves.
I started watching almost 3 years ago. Always wanted to do something with computers but computer science is beyond my knowledge. Thanks to your videos I start in IT courses in spring!
Good Luck!
GL M8
@@johnanderson7739 thanks!
@@luapynneb3069 Thanks!
@@monad_tcp I know... I didn't say it was computer science, read correctly. Was just stating his videos made me realize my love of the hardware, not programming and coding. So I went IT not full on computer science, you're comment comes off very negative for such a positive post.
Eagerly awaiting this delidding tool to hit retail, have been working slowly on a custom case and running the cpu daily since launch to check for flaws before I finally tear up my warranty 🤞
I'd love to see you test the graphene sheets by FrostSheet and compare those to paste!
Been followring your content since 2020 when I got into pc stuff because of you. I learned a lot from you and will be continuing to watch and learn from your awesome content! PC building is very expensive here where I'm at, so even though without my own pc, watching your content makes my day. Cheers to you guys and I hope your content spread more. Happy thanksgiving to ya'll 😁
15:53 NOT for the faint of heart! Awesome though.. Been watching DeBauer work on this thing for a bit now, I'm glad you got the hook up from him!!
i love watching this types of videos even tho i would probably never do that in my life but i just want to know that and watch it and learn, honestly thank you Jay 😄
As a german, every time Jay speakes german it just puts a smile on my face lol
Same here. I'm Pennsylvania Dutch but I grew up speaking it mixed with English at home.
@@DigitalJedi Bruh... Dutch and Deutsch are not the Same...
Dutch = Netherlands
Deutsch = Germany....
voltage offset on Ryzen 7000 series may appear stable in CineBench but crash in Blender, so its best to test both for stability when overclocking/undervolting.
i didn't comprehend the implications of all the data but it was neat to see you take apart a cpu and not kill it (i think)
Jay. Never change.
Your humour is absolutely the best.
I remember the first video I saw of yours. Reviewing the fx 8350. Look where you are now. Always enjoy your content. Keep it up and keep the vids coming! 🙏🏽
makes sense he is a amd fanboy lol,
it would have been nice if you SHOWED US HOW YOU PUT IT ALL BACK TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! W ... T .... F ... .... J ... A .... Y ... ????!!??!?!?!!?!??!?!?!
Im hoping its possible to delid the X3D variants too! And AMD makes it possible to overclock
Just watched your 4 year old video on the r5 2700x w/ wraith prism cooler running at ~4.2 semi-stable, knew you're probably not going to be looking at old video comments so I came to your latest video to thank you, I got an r7 3700x, at 4.2ghz and a vega 64 auto vram oc (adrenalin app) running star citizen @80avg on 1080p with the stock cooler.
So again, thanks a ton for that video man!!
Really enjoy your contents jay!
You make it easy to understand even if English is not my native language.
Cheers from Italy 🤟
The most amazing thing I learned from this video was that there was a keyboard shortcut for task manager! It never occurred to me in nearly 3 decades that one even existed until I saw Jay do it at 3:09. Don't know how I never knew that one.
ctrl-shift-esc has been around since win7, so it's a relatively newer one.. earlier versions used ctrl-alt-del to pop taskmgr directly or pop a menu that could get taskmgr
@@niteriderevo9179 ctrl-shift-esc has been a shortcut for Task Manager since windows 95, actually.
hell i didn't know either.
@@AnalogPipeDream never knew that, only heard of it on win7+
@@niteriderevo9179 It’s been around for ages. It’s the first trick my dad showed me when I got my first PC back in 1999
Edit: But it’s not only a OS specific thing. Crtl+Alt+Del triggers a hardware interrupt on the CPU (at least on x86 systems)
As someone who has a 7950x on the way and saw the various videos about the ihs / delidding I appreciate the videos. Definitely tempted but would have to figure out the mounting before I start ordering stuff.
And some additional money for the delid tool and liquid metal. And Iam not sure if/how often liquid metal has to be changed.
If you have some cpu heavy software running and earn a living with it, why not. For just gaming? Keep the hood on since you will most likely be throttled by the gpu anyway:)
it would have been nice if you SHOWED US HOW YOU PUT IT ALL BACK TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! W ... T .... F ... .... J ... A .... Y ... ????!!??!?!?!!?!??!?!?!
@@Nobe_Oddy IKR!
I want to share a tip for cleaning sensitive things. Makeup brushes. The eyeliner ones, or slightly bigger, i use a lot of stuff from makeup section for a lot of sensitive accurate things, they feel premium compared to art store brushes, and are sometimes cheaper.
That being said, toothbrush is sensitive enough if you are careful. Smaller brushes are good if you feel the need for a little more sensitive tools to compensate for hands shaking when doing a scary operation like this. I know i'm taking the slow route.
How did you get it cooled after you took the lid off? Why did you skip that part?
right?!?!?!
He actually got the pronounciation of München correct.
Not bad.
I prob watch 1 in 8 of your uploads... Now this is the content Ill always get around.
Back 10 plus years ago, I learned from forums to BSEL mod my dual Xeons to be "Extreme editions"(1800mhz FSB).
All it took was two 2mm bits of electrical tape on the CPU's.
Tricked the motherboard to think the CPU's where double the FSB.
This is extreme risk for reward.
: )
The cablemod ad showing out of stock is so accurate and amazing lol
I'm definitely going to pick up a tube of that Thermal Grizzly compound. I'm running a 5900X and a little more thermal headroom in the Summer months would be a good thing.
I'd recommend a static overclock. I got a slight increase in single thread performance and a very significant multicore boost on a 7700x
I only use the kpx paste now. I've used the thermal grizzly kryo as well as just about everything else. Like the Kingpin paste the most. And it's pretty decently priced, 30 gram for $45 ish.
I've been a Thermal Grizzly fan for a while. Got it on my 5900x with a water-cooled AiO and have never seen temps over 61c
Glad you didn't kill it, either. Be careful with that liquid metal. If it's hyper alloy, it can form up and attack you. I've seen it happen.
Did Arnie save you? 🤣 which t model was it. gotta know what weapon to use, just in case 😁
@Soyel Daumm! ,I btought the wrong gin. Got shum no2 tho. Shoot it, Nowa!
The CO voltage offset is found in the advanced PBO config on X570 boards, not beside the basic voltage tuning places. I'd assume it's roughly the same on X670.
Glad to see it worked out well.
I'm so excited, I have a r9 7900x coming. Thought about going with the 7950 but for what I'm realistically going to do, the 7900x is already overkill. I figure since I'm not upgrading GPU this year I can still do the other major components and hopefully see an uplift.
Why wouldn't you wait for the x3d instead then
@@maegnificant I'll upgrade if/when that happens if the uplift is worth it. I never keep my stuff long enough to begin with.
in my case 7950x might be overkill but wanting to run a windows VM for gaming and doing coding at the same time I felt it's best to just go full force. Only negative is I'm not sure how much the GTX 1070 might hold me back but as long as GPUs don't skyrocket again in price I'm fine with waiting a bit longer.
@@U1TR4F0RCE I think honestly the price you can get some 30 series cards for they're a decent value at the moment. They're plenty capable especially with DLSS.
I bought a 7900x and it's awesome ngl, am gonna use this CPU for at least 6 plus years and in that time ryzen am5 will mature
The thing with the "decapitation" translation is, that in German we say "köpfen" if we delid a cpu. So it's not a dark translation, rather a dark word we use for deliding, because it literally means decapitating or even more literally beheading. Kopf --> Head. Köpfen --> Beheading :D
In Polish, they call it "scalping" a CPU. I don't like the term though, so I stick to the English "delidding."
I knew exactly which part you were going to play when you queued up the Der8auer video. Hahaha! Good one JTC!
This is what I like, you take the risks, show the rewards. So we can sit back and consider the possibilities. I still doubt I will do this, but it's good to know its an option.
I have the same motherboard with a 7950x. I didn't change TJmax, but I did test and validate -30 on all cores. I was a little confused by your original clocks, considering I'm hitting around 5.3GHz on all cores _with_ _air_ _cooling._
I don't care if it hits 95C. It's a safe temp, according to the manufacturer. Actually, they say 105 is technically safe. If the CPU lasts until they've released a couple more generations of AM5 CPUs, it will have done its job. With air cooling, there's virtually no cool-down period after returning to idle, so I don't need to worry about heat-soaked coolant reducing performance later. I also don't have to worry about lost coolant, pump failures, or leaks. Heck, I even tested with the CPU fan removed (in a fractal torrent) and the performance barely changed.
I'm still tempted to de-lid, but I'd probably try some PTM 7950 rather than liquid metal. That should only be a difference of a couple of degrees. My cooler is already modified to fit AM5, modifying it further to fit a delidded CPU would be trivial.
Amazed at the air cooling... What brand air cooler are you using?
Yeah it's safe but prob not ideal for longevity. They just need to get it to survive long enough to check off some requirements on a list to call it safe.
The only reason to delid is if you're doing some very extreme overclocking with a custom loop and a huge voltage drop
Time for a custom loop and push the chip even further.... have a good Thanksgiving jay
I saw the same thing Jay.
The reason is because the CPU voltage is mostly controlled by vid.
Set vid in lockstep with your voltage
I did the curve optimizer on ryzen master with my 7700X on this same motherboard. I did the per core option and ended up hitting 5.45GHZ under Cinebench r23 full load, managed to stay under 90 with no cpu mods on a custom loop. It took a couple hours but I feel was well worth it. My voltages max out around 1.270.
Sounds like that AIO would make a great video for you on how to refill it.
The mysteries of automatic hidden background automatic motherboard/CPU adjustments has been the biggest hurdle for me with the move from Intel to Ryzen. It sucks that this wizardry screwed up your testing here, but the tool looks cool and I'm going to be grabbing one to finally let my 7950X cool off.
it would have been nice if you SHOWED US HOW YOU PUT IT ALL BACK TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! W ... T .... F ... .... J ... A .... Y ... ????!!??!?!?!!?!??!?!?!
The lapping tool seemed less insane, and it's cheaper though single use.
@@stephen1r2 It absolutely is, but if I'm going to physically modify my CPU, I'ma go all out.
It’s actually because of a BIOS update. PBO was nerfed and will now drop very sharply once more than four cores are being boosted, which obviously kills benchmark performance, but also is actually pretty noticeable to people like me who actually do work on their computers. Unfortunately memory compatibility on BIOS without the nerfed PBO is bad, so downgrading isn’t a great option either.
I suspect it may be a sinister attempt to make reviewers recommend the CPU, but then drop the performance before end users start doing RMAs. You can use an external clock to artificially raise the boost limit, my ASUS board supports this on the latest BIOS and so far it seems to work fine, but I don’t think this feature is a universal thing.
@@CycahhaCepreebha on my system or on Jay's? My board is Asus which has a feature to re-enable the normal/older boosting behavior.
Man this is so cool... these channels have sooo many extra computers components.. it would be like heaven to see...
And to be like.. ohhhh... I just have a 12th gen top tier system.. just sitting in the corner... lol .
Good stuff
I have a velocity2 on my 7950x and it doesn't use an ek backplate. It mounts right into the stock backplate using a keyed stud that you tighten from the back.
What I would love to see... a series of videos on various approaches to water-cooling. Like this: Build 3 or 4 identical systems simultaneously, each using different gauges of tubing and whatever variations we newbies have to choose between in each build so we can see exactly what is different in real time. Make sense?
For someone who is looking to build my first pc some time in the future, watching various videos, learning what I can and also wanting to buy the best products I can when the time comes… this seems way too much of a head f**k to be considered as a viable option.
This is for the extremes when it comes to OC/thermal performance; you do NOT need to do this for your first pc.
@@jonnathan780 Was about to say this. Delidding and relidding isn't done for normal enthusiasts. The sole price of it and risk means you are only gonna do this in extremely high end parts that can run almost any game to begin with, chances are this is done for overclockers enthusiasts of those that seek efficiency and performance over actual usability. Keeping the normal components with MAYBE an aftermarket cooler is more than enough for the rest.
Love your videos, also the "we interupt this video to bring you, no! we interupt this interuption to bring you this interuption" those are awesome!
Yea... Motherboard manufacturers often pump the voltage up to the moon. It worked on CPUs before the whole auto boosting thing, to score a tiny bit higer than the competition, but now they raise it so much that it actually hurts performance.
Using curve optimizer is usually a must because of that.
any release sell date for this 7000 deliding tool?
this cpu delided is a monster. The best performance/efficiency , way above 13900k.
totally
Always got the coolest stuff to play with.
Lapper, delidder, liquid metal... nice.
This was a fun watch, the delidding process is too risky for my liking and size of pocket though; but that's why I watch channels like yours.
I've just re-greased my Ryzen 7 5800X with Kryonaut extreme and I've never seen such a large drop in temperature just from changing the thermal compound. It was a pain to apply (doesn't adhere to the IHS very well so was tricky to spread thinly and evenly) but the performance is great, reduced my temps by about 7°C
I did have high temps on the first boot, I even ended up with the BIOS going to default due to a failed boot attempt, it seems that this grease needs a few minutes of hot operating to 'bed-in'. By my third Cinebench run the temps were way down to new lower levels and have stayed there since
I suspect that the grease may act as a non-Newtonian liquid so that when the block is pressed down it actually becomes less fluid under the pressure (which would also explain the issues I had spreading it) so if it is not perfectly even it can take a bit of time to create a good interface..
I'll be interested to see how it performs tomorrow morning when I boot from cold... 🤔
This morning: my system boot looped and reset the BIOS again on the first power-up - there are definite issues with this thermal grease, my CPU is overheating on the cols startup, the grease acts as a thermal BARRIER when it is cold 😒
I'm concerned that this grease has two major issues:
1. It seems to act as a non-Newtonian liquid so its performance can be significantly affected by the pressure of the block (something which I have no way to effectively measure)
2. It also seems to act as a thermal BARRIER when cold causing CPU temps to spike on cold startup a machine which cannot be good for a system that is powered down at night like mine
At this point it seems that the issues outweigh the benefits and I'll likely be returning it to Amazon as not fit for purpose unfortunately
The way you are using the cooler might be causing cavitation on the pump. Try to use it "upside down" with the intake and output in the bottom
no,
pump is at the lowest point so no
Panch_88 - Absolutely NOT, your thinking is wrong/backward. Intake/output should ALWAYS be higher than the pump.
I agree. Gamer's Nexus has a pretty good vid on exactly this. Any air will get caught at the highest point; in this case, the top of the rad where the tubing is. Here, air might be getting sucked in to the pump.
Personally Id like to see long term tests(5+years).
DeBauer follow up videos with machines actually doing work for him would be excellent!... Same for you Jayz.
Long term testing is the keyword.
: )
You'll never see it, and it wouldn't be of any use anyway due to the variances in the wafers used to produce chips. What worked well on one chip may not work at all on another exact same type, but different wafer pressing. It's the nature of the beast as to how chip fabs work.
Using the same cpu modded long term tests would be nice to see. I have several 5-6 year old cpus still going with all sorts of cooling mods over the years. Usually it's the motherboard that gives up before the CPU.
Wear an ESD strap when handling these things. Use an ESD mat. You will guarantee that no transistors are fried or fail later because of ESD. There are no backup transistors in there. If you have zapped a junction, you will know in 90 days, a year or two later. Wondering why it died all of a sudden?!
If you put another cpu in the socket and it boots, well that was ESD that probably killed the cpu.
Thank's to the contract frame, this thermal paste and a nh-15, -0.1V offset I was able to get more than 40k out of a 13900K (Asus Limits) with Z690 DDR4 (3600). But I needed about 280W, 100 more than you used with 7950x
DerBauer: Pretty much idiot-proof!
Jay: CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!
Me: There is no such thing as "idiot-proof", as idiots are supremely gifted and innovative at screwing things up. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TEMPT THEM!
The problem is that ASRock bios sucks :D
Jayz I would highly recommended you to change the motherboard in your final build.
I'm afraid you will have some strange behaviours in your system.
will updates not sort it over time?
Would be nice if he would test the asrock and give a kind of long time review.
Sorry, have you seen Gigabyte and MSI bioses? ASUS is the only manufacturer (maybe EVGA) that has better bioses than AsRock, and ASUS crams their motherboards full of bloatware like asus armoury and fills up system32, even copying file structures in program local. AsRock is one of the best vendors lol.
@@Appri Are you high as your name suggests? Maybe there's another AsRock in the world we don't know about
@@simoSLJ89 AsRock has the best reputation as a mainboard maker- are you high? I've used all of them over the years, ranging from all the major western AIBs as well as cheap aliexpress ones, and have found that ASUS, EVGA, and AsRock are the most reliable. ASUS was filled with bloatware however, and EVGA was definitely #1, while AsRock was a close second. You must be smoking shit if AsRock is a bad one to you, go look at MSI and Gigabyte.
What this needs is a small CPU sized, PCB that has pins on one side connected straight through the PCB to pads on the bottom -- the PCB then gets installed between the socket and the PCU raising the top of the de-lidded CPU to the height of a normal CPU. That way you don't have to do anything special to get your heatsink to mount properly.
That would raise the resistance of the pins dramatically and probably damage the CPU, putting something between the LGA pins and the CPU.
@@ColwellMarcus Yes it would raise the resistance. I don't know if it could be classified as "dramatically, the pins already have to go through the socket, through the mother board through the (for example) RAM socket through the DIMM to the memory chip so there is already a bunch of resistance. The question would be "does this add too much resistance?"
6:15 fast recovery Jay!
Wife’s toothbrush?
Why doesn't companies, like AMD or Intel, do these type of improvements from the start if they are constantly done, especially if it improves performance?
Because in the end companies will always look for the cheapest alternative to do things, doing stuff like this would cost them more on materials and can't be done consistently through machinery at the moment
The reason why these are improvements because this is basically doing stuff precisely and it takes time vs a load of machinery wanting to pump as much of these as possible out
Too much time or money consuming
He’s come a long way from 3d printed deluding tools for my 9700K. Glad to see he’s still doing great work and improving on his designs. Do they have a copper IHS for this cpu?
Also when removing the original thermal compound, I had bought some solder removal paste stuff from him as well. People said they ran out too fast so I used it very sparingly about 4-5 times before I got everything cleaned up well enough that I thought fit to add Liquid Metal and put my new IHS on the chip. Used 4 dots of super glue to hold ISH on and haven’t had any issues since delidding 2 years ago.
the standard Intel and AMD IHS' are copper, there's no point in getting an aftermarket one (der8auer himself tested this)
I can definitely attest to the Thermal Grizzly thermal pastes. I had to take apart my drone to replace the camera module, and I decided to YOLO it, buy some Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, and use it on my drone.
"Might as well go with the best" it's 13th gen lol. Not amd.
Yea
Nice ad for all the out of stock cables at cablemod. Thanks Jay!
11:55 what I like to do is use the CRC contact cleaner for situations like that. That stuff eats thermal paste like water eats cotton candy
I remember, it was 2001, I or we in the Technical Department of building and fixing pc's ,, used a flat screwdriver to spread the cooling paste on the cpu.
Nice nice video, Jay! Much thanks. I wanted to tell you something I heard about using Kryonaut for direct die cooling. I was changing my laptop's thermal paste because it dried out after 3 years (thanks, Intel). I read a lot online about how it dries out when temps are 80+ C or something like that. So maybe that is something to keep in mind when using it in your case. I am not how correct this is. I just wanted to tell you.
N.B.: I am using Arctic MX-5 now. It has been fine for the most part. A bit irrelevant.
Jay, have you considered using Argus Monitor to control all your fan speeds? It allows you to set your own fan curves, static, or bios controlled and works with Corsair Commander Pro, Corsair and NZXT AIOs
He did a video a while back about FanControl, think that's what he's still using. It does its job quite well imo.
Something that you should possibly try out is to set max limits on PBO and run prime95 small ffts and see how much power it can pull
Asrock loves beating CPUs with overkill voltages. My b450 steel legend was pushing 1.5v, with LLC of 5, onto my R5 3600. Needless to say my CPU was hitting 97c in the winter times, so went into the bio and manually set the voltage to 1.15v with an LLC of 3 and I dropped over 40c. This was on the stock cooler BTW.
Asrock have had over volting issues for years, enable XMP and expect the IMC to be overvolted, my 9900k was 1.37v out of the box, I manually dropped it to 1.25v and no instability whatsoever with massive power and heat savings.
I am guessing they do less testing than the more expensive vendors and throw voltage at it for safety. But it is good they added those easy undervolts in the presets and lower temp targets also.
Those other voltage settings only affect Manual Overclocking, which is switched on when the CPU draws over a certain amount of watts after a certain amount of time. In manual mode, you can select a set voltage for all cores and a set frequency for all cores (or at least each CCX) to dial in optimal settings for an all-core workload, but it shouldn't be much different to what PBO could do under the same conditions. I would love to see a CineBench score for when the PBO thermal limit is at 95 degrees (which is what is advertised that they can run indefinitely at) and stable values for CO (24 hours of OCCT AVX2/Small/Extreme with only one core loaded at a time). I think those settings can be found under Advanced -> AMD Overclocking in ASRock UEFI. That could show off what delidding really can do. I'm not sure I trust that the "Performance Preset" options offered under the ASRock UEFI are actually stable. It's all about the clock speeds and benchmarks with this generation and not temperatures, since you can set those to any you want and the processor will throttle itself there.
Thank you for the very informative video as always, Jay. Say, that Celsius s36 was originally advertised to be upgraded to custom loop later, correct? If so would it be possible to just refill it? Asking for myself mostly. I was also looking at trying to get a 360mm 180x2 fan Radiator (if they ever become available again) for a fractal torrent case. My plan was to add the celsius pump and tubing to the 180x2 radiator... That pump would be ok for that rad, right? I'd imagine I would have to make sure to stick with a model with similar thickness?? I'll be honest tho I was looking at one of those thick boi's from alphacool lol. Keep up the great work. I always enjoy watching and learning from and with you.
I'm almost out of thermal paste, I guess it's time to get a tube of this stuff. I feel it's worth the extra money if it's gonna get you 6C or better on thermals.
So, if a few weeks is an eternity, how will you describe how long it takes to build a system?
As always, a good job guys!
Have finally reached the point where I can build a decent PC for myself, been using a 6thgen i5 laptop for games, and am wanting to go with the new Ryzen stuff. Very interested to see your more budget friendly builds for more ideas. I think I know what I'm going to get, but more info never hurts :).
don't buy any Ryzen 7000 CPUs yet if you can hold off a few more months. There's 3D cache versions coming in 2023.
@@Slimmeyy oh yeah I didn't think about those. Any idea when they would be released?
being that soon, I can wait. Will be worth it I'm sure 😊 thanx for that 🙂
On the one hand like previous Corvettes with the non-recessed headlights I could see where there might be a draw for the manufacturer to eventually delid cpus. But, from a liability standpoint that would be a nightmare with the way some folks *cough* verge *cough* build computers.
Jay your getting jacked!!! Good job homie!!
So Jay set the Fans to fixed 70% for consistency to test the temps but left the voltage variable LMAO
Professionals ^^
PS: That actually make me think how he does the Benchmarks (or what else he does wrong)
I'm just waiting for De8auer to put the deliders up for sale. I want to do this to my new build.
When are we going to see this in action? In other words, I would like to know the performance boost in clock speed, and what the reduction in temps are when delided? It would be awesome if you could do a video on all that. Thanks for the video!
Great video as always Jay!
What I am about to say I do not recommend. But My waterblock solution though questionable and dangerous to those who don't pay attention, it worked well for me. I had an old AM4 EKWB quantum velocity block, but the included standoffs wouldn't go low enough for a delidded 7950x. What I found through experimenting and desperation was that the threads on the cpu backplate on the Asus Crosshair Hero matched the threads of my long fan screws. I paired them with some springs from the exwb block kit, and some washers so the screws heads didnt walk on the cpu blocks bracket. Right now my cpu has no hold down mechanism, I am waiting for Thermal Grizzly to release the cpu mounting bracket. Which will hopefully be out soon. The temps and performance gains are nothing to be scoffed at.
I got my 7950x at Microcenter for sale, 170 dollars off with an included kit of Flare X 6000Mhz ram included. So i splurged on the Mobo. Expo ram is awesome just a couple clicks in the bios and you are running 6000 Mhz Ram. My number one recommendation for 7000 series is watch microcenter for sales, they have been happening rather often as of late. and if you do jump on the amd train update that bios once you have your computer up and running. The bios that came with my board had a habit of dropping all usb devices every 40 or so minutes. With the most recent asus bios update I have had zero issues with anything.
Hi J, could you please make a video comparing various CPUs snappiness in windows ? Like, day to day browsing in windows and so on
I use paint brush to wash cpus with alcohol, literally wash them, much softer than toothbrush, and to remove solder I use Flitz polish paste tube, it will just dissolve the tin solder and show you the mirror glass cover of the silicon wafer, perfectly clear not a scratch.
"MY MOM AND MY WIFE ARE GERMAN, IT'S FINE, THOSE ARE THE WOMEN I ORDER" JAY'S QUOTABILITY IS UNMATCHED
"I'll be the test of that"
Never before I have so viscerally experienced another man's fear
Jay taking German just made my day.
Because yes, "Flüssigmetallschutzdichtung" is a very bad word and definitely doesn't describe a peotective seal for liquid metal.