Amiga After Commodore - Rare Petro Tyschtschenko Footage
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2020
- Rare footage of former head of Amiga Technologies and Amiga International Petro Tyschtschenko speaking about his time at Commodore , the Escom buyout , and his time at Amiga before handing control of Amiga over to Bill McEwen. This footage is from a 2001 roast hosted by Amigan St. Louis . The original video is titled "The Petro Roast" and was produced by Bounce Back Videos. It was sent to me by Bob Sharp of Amigan St. Louis back in 2001 due t being president of The Westchester Amiga User Group. The original video is 1 hour and 20 minutes long so I cut it down to Petro's speech only. Enjoy!
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I've bought one of those last Amiga 1200 in those years, I've had hope for the future. Unfortunately that was my last Amiga, which I've been using for 10 years before to search for an alternative. Good memories mixed with sad ones. It's incredible how, after more than 20 years, I finally bought again an Amiga 500 and a 1200.
Thank you for the great video!
Thanks for the kind comment. It really is amazing that the Amiga is still fun to use in 2020. It i sad that it is no longer produced, but Amiga certainly isn't dead.
Man, I miss that computer loyalty and excitement so many of us grew up with (before they all became basically the same...) An era is gone forever, though maybe not with the extreme interest in retro-computing lately (both software and hardware being created for old systems on a regular basis). Even the old Atari 2600 (the Amiga's maternal grandmother!) is still getting new stuff!
I miss it too, but it is awesome that these old systems are getting as much love as they are here in 2020. They had style, swagger, and personality. Fortunately we can still enjoy them
@@TheGuruMeditation Yep. I think MAME and other emulators also had a hand in reigniting interest in these old systems, plus the fact that the people who were young teens or so back in the day are now fully grown adults with some disposable cash...
thanks u so much Bill, keep the legend Alive !! what a great adventure the Amiga :)
Thanks Thai. It sure is an adventure, lol
Great video guys ! Keep on the great work with AMiGA area it s all a pleasure to watch ! Thank you for your time spending for us !
It is our pleasure. Thanks for all the support and comments like this keep fuel in our fire. AMIGA4EVER!
Thank you for the upload! :) I have never seen or heard him live, despite being at World of Commodore and Amiga. But the magazines here hyped him so much, as a last stand..
My pleasure. I was really excited to find this video in my dad's garage and wanted to share it with everyone. I am in the same boat as you. I have been to many Amiga events but never heard him speak. I understand he is a very nice person. Cheers!
Its very heart warming to see this video. I know there was some hate towards some of the guys from those days, but this shows how rich in emotion he was. I know David Pleasance is writing a new book, and has invited Petro to write a chapter, and I do hope he does - as it was a long time ago and he has nothing to be ashamed about. Of course if Medhi Ali did a talk like this, Im sure it would be the next Guy Fawkes Night.
I agree. You can tell he really loved the Amiga. I hope he is in David's new book as well. I believe Trevor will be reaching out to him
Awesome video guys, thanks a lot for share this stuff !
Our pleasure Max! I am going to give the entire video to AmigaVideo.net
This is a little piece of Amiga history.. Thank you Gurus!
Cheers Stefano! I was very excited when I found the VHS tape and wanted to share it with all of you.
Man, this just goes to show how old the Alley McBeal show is and therefore how old we all are!
You are only as old as you feel, so.....ahhhh crap! LOL
A wonderful video!
Cheers, thanks Gadget!
Guy was a snake in the grass though!
Thanks a lot for that footage. Petro is a very passionate person and I think that the german amiga community kept the amiga alive for way longer than the amiga technology would have made it worth while. But Petro (with all of his shortcommings) pushed the amiga in germany and europe for way longer than the amiga actuallly deserved it
Cheers. Thanks for sharing a German perspective especially since were are over here in New York. Everyone who I know that has met Petro says he is a really nice person
Wow, what great video. Real history right there. I still have 2 Amiga 1200 at home. Such a heartwarming view. Beautiful machines. Amiga still rulez!!
You can tell he is very passionate
Bought a 1200 in the mid 90´s and started it once. After many years i did recap it and it worked like a charm. now i own 7 amiga 500 :) 1 1200 and an 4000 / 030 :) just fantastic machines :) great old memories aswell
Nice! You have the Amiga fever. I love it!
@@TheGuruMeditation Yes, i admit that im sick on a good way. :) will always love theese computers :)
This is a fantastic piece of history! Thank you for sharing! Has he ever written that book?
Thanks Patrick! Yes he did write the book, but it was written in German only
I’ve always believed there were two sides to a story and quietly I have known for a while that whilst some bad things happened during the Commodore buyout of 94/95, from reading over many years that despite many contrary reports I think Petro did have a good passion for the Amiga and if you read on Usenet the PR and what happened in 1995 for all his faults they did manage an unlikely operation. It’s easy to criticise and yes maybe Escom did the dirty on Commodore UK but I still think Petro did a good job overall. Let’s face it Commodore UK couldn’t have really changed things by 1995/96 the Amiga though I love it was too far behind by then. Escom’s bankruptcy brought about far too quick a conclusion to some very hard work, by few people, getting Amiga back on the shelf with monitors in short time. Petro is not perfect, and neither am I, but I feel history is treating him a bit too harsh. Many of us have been in the employ of others who directed the terms, of which we felt no power or ability to change and have to do as we are told. And so I close with, what the Amiga needs is peace, not factions or recriminations but as it has seen, a reclamation of all it stood for and still is.. peace. X
And yes I was there when Jim Collas headed Amiga and that was the only time between 1996 and 1999 I thought Amiga had any chance of a commercial comeback. That was a special show back in the 1999 in Kensington town hall in London for the world of Amiga, plus ça change, plus ça change.
Did a good job? he just about single-handedly sabotaged the effort of real Commodore/Amiga people to have the absolute last chance of giving the Amiga some sort of future as a hardware platform, instead he delivered into the hands of PC manufacturers who had no interest in the Amiga hardware as they only wanted the Commodore brand. It's thanks to him we were stuck in 1992 with 2mb A1200's on the shelves for the next decade instead of Hombre and whatever else they were working on when it went bankrupt.
Extremely well said Vickie. I appreciate your perspective very mush especially as someone who is from the UK. I have heard so many great things about Petro from my friends who have met him. I hope I will one day as well.
Planet Barry I did not say he was perfect or history was, but honestly Commodore UK’s plan for Micronik’s A1200 tower would not have saved the Amiga either. I’m not saying Petro was perfect, or that day David Pleasance and Colin Proudfoot was wrong and god knows the underhand buyout tactics were subpar but honestly if Commodore UK had got the Amiga in April 1995 could it have chucked out a Sony PlayStation killer in a year? That’s a tough ask, and I say that as someone who sees the Amiga as productivity machine not just a games machine but the latter is where it’s volume cane from. My point is to say in a short few months a good job was done in getting Amigas back on the shelf regardless of their viability. There was not a cat in hells chance of hombre being out in 1995. If you want to point fingers at balance, it’s at the man who Petro carried bags for.
I'm not saying anyone could have turned it around, just that his interference made sure that the only people who were serious about the Amiga were denied the chance to try. This is the reason why he is not well thought of. Otherwise i'm sure he is a very likeable bloke who couldn't have done much more for the Amiga, given the circumstances he lead it into.
I meet him few times, I drink beer with him and talk about today's Amiga computers.
I bought his book with super duper dedication :)
I really like Petro. Hi is good person.
That's awesome Vato! Everyone who has met him has said that he is very nice. I would like to meet him one day too. I also want to read his book, but I believe it is only in German. Love you my man YeeeeHAAAAAAA!!!! Sto-lat
Reading the D. Pleasance book, he's not well depicted, some trouble on the acquisition of Amiga by Commodore UK caused by Petro. And some other facts regarding his work in Commodore as head of logistics, some mistakes occurred.
This guy is a must! very hilarious story!!
When I bought my Amiga 1200 with 3.1 kick rom, I was so excited to get on it, then I joined a computer club local to me where we helped each other out with scripting / coding, I miss carrrying my 1200 and TV to that place, it was about 1, 3/4 miles xD, and I did this with enjoyment just to have a great time, not with todays computers, personally I feel that the spark of adventure has gone as it's mostly all click and go, At least with the amiga it made you want to learn more, maybe that's just me, I got two amiga 1200's now and hoping to put one in a tower with upgrades and leave the other as standard, let the adventure begin I guess.
Of course we know David Pleasance and Colin Proudfoot made an attempt to buy Commodore, without success. I am curious if they made a later attempt such as after Escom failed.
No, I don't believe so. From what David told me, he was do devastated about not getting Amiga, he left the industry all-together until recently.
That legit technobeat with zero text kinda got me
What is the name of the last music score in this video (the part where petro dances as a hmm troll?) ?? thanks
I am not sure, but based on the credits it could be called "Amiga Theme" by Daniel Schultz. But that is just a guess. I am actually surprised I didn't get a copyright strike for any of the music.
The name of the song is Back for the Future from Daniel Schulz , Vocals by Georgette Vanessa Carbonilla. Beautifull song composed on a Commodore Amiga. czcams.com/video/szMGxqwfxiI/video.html
@@maxsmarts8210 thanks Max!
"Ya Ya Ya ... We know Mr Tyschtschenko, you with your Scientology computer " 7:07. 😂
I can see Petro, but where's the roast? It's a monologue, surely. He's not likely to answer any of the tough questions if no-one asks them.
I will send the whole video to AmigaVideo.net. All of Petro's parts are in this video. The rest is other folks talking about him. It is good history too, but I wanted a video with just Petro's parts because they don't happen until over 1 hour into the original video.
Fantastic video great to hear the story from the horses mouth. I always feel petro is treated badly. The German vs Uk prejudice comes into it a lot. Petro was a Commodore guy from the early days. Commodore Germany were in the same situation as the uk. I don’t think Commodore Uk had their bid ‘stolen’ I just think they were worse businessmen. Now imagine a world where dell won the amiga assets. Would they just of stayed in a box? Would we still be talking about it today? Petro was cheap and not perfect but he also helped bring stuff together like the operating systems updates, ppc and be a figure head the community needed at the time. Thanks for the uploiad
Cheers Ravi, thanks for the thoughtful comment and all the amazing work you do for the retro community
hey, THX for Upload!...this man is in same name like...steve jobs,gates, wozniak and co..for me ;-)..NICE 2022 ALL FREAKS ..! your GrauKappenHippie from Germany
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Yes! He speaks in this video as well. I am going to give the entire 1 hour an 20 minute video to AmigaVideo.net This is just Petro's section that I cut out of the video
Is he mistaken about the A4000? Didn't the original Commodore produce both the desktop and tower units?
The way I understand it is that Petro is talking about Escom's re-release of the 4000T which was a larger production run than the original one by Commodore
@@TheGuruMeditation The A4000T was the very last Amiga C= produced, they made maybe 400 of them at most, probably more like 200, before the parts supplies issues and bankruptcy killed them.
@@NozomuYume yep. Exactly. And I would love to have a 4000T!
Does he mention how he screwed over Commodore UK's management buyout of the Amiga and thus scuppered any chance of the Amiga surviving?
He mentions the buyout, but doesn't quite frame it like that.
Wasn't David Pleasance more interested in the Commodore branding, and store distribution channels in the UK than he was with Amiga hardware ? I'm not a fan of Escom, but at least they made 1000's more A1200's, and I probably wouldn't have my A4000T without them.
@@uberdude2555go watch the three hour video with David, he mentions the business plan he had, including hombre.
I do believe Petro really wanted to do something positive with the Amiga and really tried to. But, all in all, his reign won't be remembered very positively. In many countries, people didn't even realise the Amiga was back on the market after the Escom buyout. Maybe it was different in Germany and the UK, but in Italy there was no marketing, no commercials on TV or magazines..nothing. And I think in many other countries the situation was similar. Also, in 1995 people expected more than 1992 technology for their money, A1200s and A4000s were simply not enough in a world already dominated by Pentium PCs and PowerPC Macs.
Well said. Thanks for the thoughtful comment and perspective on Amiga in Italy . It was pretty much the smae situation here.
@@TheGuruMeditation Italy was ridden with software piracy so I understand why it wasn't considered an important market. But Commodore had sold many Amiga and an incredible number of C64s here, it was a household name. We also had at least 3 Amiga-only magazines still active well after the CBM bankruptcy. So it was disappinting to see that Escom couldn't care less about Italy.
I have an amiga mouse signed by him ;)
That's awesome!
Where is Petro now? Did he ever write his book?
i wonder if he did write that book. i want to put it next to the two books of David Pleasance.
what a strange brand our so beloved Commodore Amiga. it's like a bad luck tiki from the Brady bunch, everybody who own's it goes bankrupt.
Yes, he finished and published his book (in German) a few years ago, so I have Petro's and David's both signed on the same shelf.
He did write the book, but I believe it is in German only. I would have to do some serious Google translate!
i have mixed feelings seeing this video. i remember Petro back from the time he tried to get the walker darthvader helmet to go in production.
to be honest i did not see that happening then allready. imagine a vacuum cleaner on your desk. but then still in my hearth full of convidence something good would come from it.
but our minds we already gave up.
our so beloved boing ball was like a ping-pong ball never to settle once again.
Such a strange brand, our almighty Commodore Amiga. it's like a bad luck tiki from the Brady bunch, everybody who own's it goes bankrupt and perish with a wide smile on his face of satisfaction.
Well said. Thanks for the comment. I think Petro did the best he could and he really loved Amiga, but it was too far gone
I remember when I was a kid for awhile having an Amiga Walker poster on my wall, the design does seem kind of eccentric now, but back then when most PC cases were boring beige boxes I thought it was cool and futuristic looking.
Great stuff. So nonstal;gia.
I have an ESCOM 486 that I plan to gut and fill with an A600 =]8¬_D
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Cheers Philip! #AmigaSurvivor, ahhh ha ha ha! I feel you
Where is Amiga now ?
There are a few parties fighting over the rights so the future of a new Amiga is very uncertain and unlikely, but in this moment, people are still enjoying their classic Amigas very much and there are many people making new games for it as well as new hardware. The community is strong.
@@TheGuruMeditation Exactly. The Amiga is not the legal battles, it's what we do with it now, and how we pass on both it and its spirit to the next generation. Otherwise it will die as a historical fact.
@@vix_in_japan exactly Vickie! We really have to get kids into it or else it will be mostly forgotten. Hence my family friendly streams
ah if he could tell the truth... I wouldnt need notes. I suggested we needed to go RISC.. IN FACT PA RISC/Itanium , Petro is a marketer. I got Gateway over there in 1995 after I worked with them in 1994 // you all said that wasnt true funny now its admitted ,and petro said he worked on gateway.. yet.. he said here .. he did nothing.. I did the work. .. gateway bought the use of the name so did vIscorp .. if u have IPs like I do you can do ANYTHING. DONT BS PETRO. There where alot of A1200s, and parts due to a contract with richard branson.. that was broken in 1991.. dare we forget.. It was there ,and then Amiga went belly up 1992 I did so much more, david Pleance told me he lies Petro told me david lies..
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