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  • čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
  • "macOS Sucks" was originally recorded (live) on June 10th, 2023.
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Komentáře • 541

  • @josephlandry8787
    @josephlandry8787 Před měsícem +223

    macOS is the best SSH client money can buy.

    • @justanothercomment416
      @justanothercomment416 Před měsícem +18

      And VM host. So you can do actual work in VMs.

    • @dnel83
      @dnel83 Před měsícem +24

      It is a SSH client money can buy

    • @drishalballaney6590
      @drishalballaney6590 Před měsícem +18

      correction: MacOS is the best netbook money can buy

    • @Ironically-Sarcastic
      @Ironically-Sarcastic Před měsícem

      @@justanothercomment416 With the ARM architecture it's no longer good for hosting x86 Windows/Linux VMs, and requires emulation for that now.
      I do literally use my Macbook as an SSH client (via Mosh for speed), with tmux on a remote LInux server and VIM for editing code. I can't stand how dev tools work on MacOS's confusing filesystem.

    • @judewestburner
      @judewestburner Před měsícem +9

      The most expensive ssh client money can buy 😄😁

  • @stam_ehad
    @stam_ehad Před měsícem +60

    The wackiness and flexibility is what brought me to linux,
    Never knew the mac was so flexible in the past

    • @FlameForgedSoul
      @FlameForgedSoul Před 29 dny +10

      So few remember/understand just how amazing it used to be.

    • @JeemsJustJeems
      @JeemsJustJeems Před 19 dny +1

      @@FlameForgedSoul it was too busy crashing constantly for the rest of us

    • @redgek
      @redgek Před 19 dny +6

      and what's funny linux is getting less flexible as the time goes. Almost every major distro is the same these days, many even down to package manager. RedHat OS? IBM TUX? It's getting there. At least you still can customize a lot of the things manually, but it has been feeling hostile to it for some years now. Back in the day I would just install a WM and made a few scripts, now I need to glue so much stuff to get most programs to run because they all expect a full DE dbus and systemd.

    • @Damglador
      @Damglador Před 9 dny +1

      ​@@redgekKDE Plasma > Windows > MacOS

  • @lowstaar
    @lowstaar Před měsícem +34

    Almost every IT snob I know thinks I'm and idiot for saying that old Mac's in the early 90's had dominated very specific niches like music production, they just simply can't understand that running dual displays with a fully GUI music production software was only possible with a Mac. So much for knowing the proper history of IT.
    1989 - Digidesign launches the first digital audio workstation system, Sound Tools, for the Apple Macintosh. The company refers to it as "the first tapeless recording studio"

    • @adampope5107
      @adampope5107 Před měsícem +8

      That's weird. The only things I knew about Macs were that people used it for music and imaging.

    • @SinistralEpoch
      @SinistralEpoch Před 19 dny +3

      @@adampope5107 Literally what was described is something most music producers do today. Macs destroy the PC platform in this space.

    • @felixtanuki
      @felixtanuki Před 7 dny +1

      Macs dominate Creative Apps, Gaming apps not so much unfortunately.

    • @bobweiram6321
      @bobweiram6321 Před 2 hodinami

      The Mac transformed entire industries, including printing, video, music, and graphic design.

  • @justinhall3243
    @justinhall3243 Před měsícem +116

    To prank someone I once took a screen shot of the mac desktop and used photoshop to clone stamp the trash can something like 100 times all over the place. Then I set that image as the wallpaper and used resedit to hide the actual trash can.

    • @UNATCOHanka
      @UNATCOHanka Před měsícem +16

      How do you feel knowing you have a date with Satan in the future? 😂

    • @mattvanderwalt6220
      @mattvanderwalt6220 Před měsícem +3

      Had similar done to me... at the same time they switched all my keyboard keys around.... many 4 letter combinations

    • @jamestillman5247
      @jamestillman5247 Před měsícem +2

      Are you a child? This is something wannabe nerds do to show off their "leet" skillz to their unsuspecting friends. But for real though this cheezy prank has been around for 20 years and you had the balls to rattle off the process like you were special or something lol.

    • @justinhall3243
      @justinhall3243 Před měsícem +8

      @@jamestillman5247 At the time, yeah I was a very young adult with the mentality of a child. This was 25 years ago.

    • @justinhall3243
      @justinhall3243 Před měsícem +1

      @@UNATCOHanka damned

  • @chrisnelson414
    @chrisnelson414 Před měsícem +64

    Linux Foundation uses Macs, so that figures.

    • @rnts08
      @rnts08 Před měsícem +18

      They're very pretty sah clients and text editors, and a good tax write-off due to it's cost. Old school Macs had a purpose. The pros up to g4 had some use. These days, they're just shinies.

    • @spht9ng
      @spht9ng Před měsícem +25

      @@rnts08 Just shinies with best in class performance and power usage. But cool, continue the anti-Apple circlejerk. It gets you sick Lunduke viewer updoots

    • @MogelBoom
      @MogelBoom Před měsícem +4

      ​@@spht9ng
      Id love to have a mac-level case in a Linux laptop too

    • @tutacat
      @tutacat Před měsícem +10

      They don't even support Linux. The Linux Foundation does not figure.

    • @Falsechicken
      @Falsechicken Před měsícem

      @@spht9ng If the context that was given in their explanation is true then to them they would be just "shinies" lol.

  • @LordApophis100
    @LordApophis100 Před měsícem +39

    Apple started to shorten hardware support when they decided to transition Macs to Apple Silicon. We'll have to see if they lengthen the support again for M1 Macs.

    • @user-bz9sj8mh5d
      @user-bz9sj8mh5d Před měsícem +10

      Considering the big push for AI and the massive RAM requirements for it, don't count on it, at least with base model systems. I have a hard time believing macOS 5 years from now will run comfortably in 8 GB of RAM.

    • @isaac80745
      @isaac80745 Před 18 dny

      @@user-bz9sj8mh5d Maybe pushing 5 years when they stop releasing 8gb model. Many pc users know it's better to have more ram just in case.

    • @BleakVision
      @BleakVision Před 9 dny +1

      Oh let's see. They love to cut support for Gen 1 products early. See Core Duo Macs, iPhone and iPad for reference.

    • @kimeraevent
      @kimeraevent Před 9 dny +1

      No they didn't. They have done a 5-8 year support window for devices for a long time. It depends on what the device is. Laptops usually get 7 years, phones 6 years, desktops, 10 years. M1 has been around for almost 4 years now. They are about 3 years out from being EOL.

    • @knorze1777
      @knorze1777 Před 3 dny

      PowerPC G3 and G4 support was dropped with Mac OS X 10.3 and 10.5. respectively. The last G3 iBooks and G4 iMacs had a short life.

  • @organismseven3700
    @organismseven3700 Před měsícem +30

    So... its time to bring back a new modern version of AmigaOS?

    • @slaapliedje
      @slaapliedje Před měsícem +1

      Yes please. AmigaOS4 is actually pretty sweet... if you can get it to be stable...

    • @ErazerPT
      @ErazerPT Před měsícem +3

      You already had that WAY back when. The "new modern" and imho still the best and unbeaten paradigm was simply DOpus 5.5+ as desktop replacement. It... just worked. And it was as much "power user" as you were, because it WAS designed to be built-on ad nauseum. Very little past 3.1+ was put in that most "power users" weren't already using with some patch like MCP, NewMenu, etc... That's why many users didn't even bother with anything new, as 3.1 with all the good stuff was rock solid.

    • @slaapliedje
      @slaapliedje Před měsícem

      @ErazerPT Yup! And 3.2+ has some nice things that are now built in so you don't have to install a lot of those old things anymore.

    • @ErazerPT
      @ErazerPT Před měsícem +1

      @@slaapliedje Looks interesting, sounds a lot like "It's 3.5, or how it should have been". Which makes (and made) a whole lot more sense than 4+.
      In a way, it seems to be a common trend. System was cool, needed minor fixes, got OSX/macOS. Workbench (3.1) needed some minor fixes and improvements, 3.5 was almost that, but then... 4 monstrosity. Windows 7 was the best windows ever, needed minor fixes and what not. Here, have 8, a clusterfsck, and now have 11 an even bigger one.
      Guess "it's the same but just better because we fixed all issues" doesn't sell as well as "ZOMG LOOK AT ALL THAT BLING!!!".
      ( on Linux side I'm a Slackware user so I'm obviously biased towards "don't fsck things that work well" ;) )

    • @organismseven3700
      @organismseven3700 Před měsícem

      @@ErazerPT
      Agree.
      Except I am a DOpus 4.16 man.

  • @scrooge-mcduck
    @scrooge-mcduck Před měsícem +21

    I started to work on a Mac as a designer in 1990, having transitioned from an Atari and PC clone. Initially I could not afford a Mac of my own so I got a magneto-optical drive and just copied the system folder over, this way I could use any Mac that was available around as mine. I lived through and experienced the '90, '00 and on. I miss those times, software now is not like it used to be..
    Your presentation is excellent, the Spirit of Mac had been lost when a computer company became a consumer electronics company. That day when they downgraded labels on files and folders.

  • @diablosv36
    @diablosv36 Před měsícem +41

    It was the iPod that changed Apple forever. They were able to make a MP3 player that was extremely user restrictive, with a non replaceable battery and forcing iTunes software to use it, but it did very well for them, and that was the turning point for them. No longer giving users total freedom made sense to them anymore, instead providing a more restrictive curated experience was what they were finding success with.

    • @goatmeal1880
      @goatmeal1880 Před 29 dny +11

      I remember when my brother got an ipod for the first time and he tried to drag and drop a file onto the ipod and it wouldn't work. that's how I knew something was wrong

    • @diablosv36
      @diablosv36 Před 29 dny

      @@goatmeal1880 I tried the same thing. That's when I knew that this device was not for me

    • @annybodykila
      @annybodykila Před 27 dny +10

      A friend brought an ipod over and wanted an mp3 i had, only way to add music is itunes, installed it, it renamed 20gb of mp3s from atrist-song name to random gibberish, i was so mad ive never used an apple product since

    • @bobweiram6321
      @bobweiram6321 Před 12 hodinami

      You all have the iPod to thank for music! It was on life support thanks to Napsters, but the iPod was so good, it was no longer worth stealing music.

    • @diablosv36
      @diablosv36 Před 7 hodinami

      @@bobweiram6321 It was a marketing triumph no doubt, but it was possibly one of the worse MP3 players when it came to user friendliness. There were Mp3 players before Ipods that were much easier to to use, where you could just copy music to it without special software.

  • @nzcurtis
    @nzcurtis Před měsícem +9

    I like to think that someone born around 1998 or later learned that Mac is short for Macintosh from this video lol

  • @RockTo11
    @RockTo11 Před měsícem +16

    The current macOS GUI is super-pretentious. I think the pretentiousness really took off from when they released iOS 7.

    • @halfsourlizard9319
      @halfsourlizard9319 Před 25 dny +6

      It's more like infantilising ... It looks like it was designed for small children.

    • @syloui
      @syloui Před 18 dny +7

      Which is why it's so frustrating that the average Linux desktop environment, which used to be very distinct and dynamic, is now a wasteland of Mac OS clone themes

    • @nazgulsenpai
      @nazgulsenpai Před 13 dny

      @syloui 100%, GNOME since 3 basically

    • @WalnutOW
      @WalnutOW Před 5 dny

      @@halfsourlizard9319It’s completely form over function, basically the designers jerking themselves off, for lack of a less vulgar phrase

    • @The_Boctor
      @The_Boctor Před 5 dny +1

      @@syloui They'd be more forgivable if the decorations and widgets looked anything like what they were striving to imitate. The results are more like any other WM theme but with circles around the decorations.
      QtCurve was one of the coolest things ever, though. So many user-created styles to pick and customize, and every regular QtWidgets program respected it. QtCurve actually still builds just fine, but HiDPI (which incidentally killed neat pixel art widgets) and Kirigami are not so friendly to it.

  • @waynedegeere
    @waynedegeere Před 28 dny +6

    MPW was “Macintosh Programmer’s Workshop” - Not “Workbench”

  • @monterreymxisfun3627
    @monterreymxisfun3627 Před měsícem +30

    To be fair, employers bare some blame from locking it down so much.

  • @ingikjartansson
    @ingikjartansson Před měsícem +12

    I still miss the old classic Mac Os, I don’t miss the unstableness of it, but I miss it 😢

    • @RockwellAIM65
      @RockwellAIM65 Před 29 dny

      It was awful how it crashed all the time and you had to use MacsBug to try to figure out which extension or application was _maybe_ the instigator!

  • @JanRademan
    @JanRademan Před 4 dny +1

    The original Mac used in the 1984 demo was not a production version. In order to make the demo work, they had to install additional RAM, which wasn't offered as an option until later.

  • @dahlia695
    @dahlia695 Před měsícem +21

    Back in the pre-OSX days there was this utility named "Resedit" and you could edit various parts of any program on your Mac. I used it to edit the trash can icon and turned it into a dented trrash can.

    • @MaxOakland
      @MaxOakland Před měsícem +3

      It's fun to open the System file and see what weird little icons and text strings are in there. Same with applications

    • @FlameForgedSoul
      @FlameForgedSoul Před 29 dny

      And glorious sites like ResExcellence that cataloged how to do such things and warehoused/linked to custom GUI elements you could use. All of Our application splash screens were custom.

    • @RockwellAIM65
      @RockwellAIM65 Před 29 dny

      NeXTStep had an equivalency for this but unfortunately Apple dropped it. You used to be able to go in and modify nibs and do all kinds of things to customize NeXTStep. It was tons of fun! Also, with Display Postscript you could pull all kinds of magnificent shenanigans with aesthetic appeal. I hated the Mac as it kind of fell apart over the years. But I hate the current version of "NeXTStep" more coz altho' it was a better system in terms of extensibility+customization than the Mac, "Ample Computers" never tried to keep it fun to use.

    • @dealloc
      @dealloc Před 4 dny

      You can still do this, except it's built into Finder since OS X. Right click on the app and open Get Info, drag an icon on top of the app icon. You can backup the original icon by clicking on the app icon and copy paste it anywhere. You're welcome.

  • @krunkle5136
    @krunkle5136 Před měsícem +7

    MacOS is NextSTEP but turned into consumer focused bloatware.
    Sad.

  • @JodyBruchon
    @JodyBruchon Před měsícem +19

    One thing I think you missed is *A/UX, or Apple UNIX.* Apple had their own full-blown graphical UNIX port way before OS X. It looked just like the Macintosh System but it was a true UNIX system.

    • @peterstefanov3594
      @peterstefanov3594 Před měsícem

      With MAC OSX 10.2, you could run the UI over A/UX, though I remember it being extremely slow compared to Mac OSX.

    • @OtherTheDave
      @OtherTheDave Před měsícem

      I really want to play with A/UX some day.

    • @RockwellAIM65
      @RockwellAIM65 Před 29 dny

      A/UX was fine I used it coz I had the employee discount at Ample Computers. In fact I used it to learn Unix. But I quickly graduated to NeXTStep in 1989, finding used systems quite affordable by that time. Very fun machine. A/UX _could_ have pulled ahead the soda-head CEO of Apple (Spindley?) kinda saw it but didn't have the vision.
      Steve had too much vision with NeXT... it frustrated him and it took a long time for the vision to work itself out, coz it was far ahead.
      I think by the time it re-shipped as MacOS, he was tired and didn't want to bother keeping it fun. Add to that a lot of the partners at NeXT included companies like Clorox, the CIA... y'know corporate guys. So I think he didn't wanna revisit what he definitely thought of as "amateur hour." He only wanted the big league. The current guys are the same and really into sameness. They will never have an independent thought in their lives (I know... Eddy Cue was my boss and altho' I liked him fine... imho people like him are at the core of the problem at Ample Computers).

  • @connorkiss2614
    @connorkiss2614 Před 14 dny +2

    Damn the last bit. I miss the old Macintosh days.

  • @nopana_
    @nopana_ Před 15 dny +2

    Are there no project at all like the old Mac OS? (and/or the hardware) If there is, please tell me!

  • @AlexandreLollini
    @AlexandreLollini Před 18 dny +7

    For me it's the files/folders : the filesystem, the linux-mess, the multi-user-mess. Good old mac use to be : you drag and drop a system folder and you BOOT on it, bang. You drag an app and you use it bang. You trash an app and ALL is gone, bang. The mouse does better than a terminal, because bang. The editing of text is magnifiscent, simple, crisp. A computer user manages his files hierarchy, his folder tree. Apple destroyed all that when updated itunes, iphoto to NOT having a human friendly file hierarchy. Apple destroyed that when file search zapped from FILENAME to CONTENT. Today computer are not ours anymore. I don't feel ownership on all that current junk.

    • @BleakVision
      @BleakVision Před 9 dny

      Deleting app data by trashing an app has never worked for me. I have data from apps I used on Tiger still in my libraries folder. I have never done a clean install since then, always restored from an Time Machine backup when setting up a new machine.

    • @AlexandreLollini
      @AlexandreLollini Před 7 dny +1

      @@BleakVision Tiger has already both feet into the Darwin BSD unix ; in my comment I was telling a story of classic mac OS like 7.5.3 or 9.0.4 . For me Tiger can be considered as good too, but it's already much more complex than a classic mac os. In Tiger to delere an app if you don't have an uninstaller it need a lot of work, there are files everywhere. Also a clean install is hell since then you would have to find and re-install all the tools and apps you accumulated over the years, and always something will be missing.

  • @TechTimeWithEric
    @TechTimeWithEric Před měsícem +1

    I guess I’ve been watching Mr Lunduke long enough that I knew it wasn’t going to be an hour long diss track lol. But I do wonder if Mac will go back to longer OS support as the last of the Intel Macs are phased out.

  • @dakata2416
    @dakata2416 Před měsícem +7

    Finally someone with some common sense!

  • @seapanda-117
    @seapanda-117 Před měsícem +20

    I really enjoy my M1 MacBook. It’s not perfect, but my battery lasts way longer than anything else and that’s my specific need being away from a charger all day.
    A lot of this is right on point tho. 😂😅

    • @JodyBruchon
      @JodyBruchon Před měsícem +8

      And then the flex cable fails!

    • @user-qf6yt3id3w
      @user-qf6yt3id3w Před měsícem +1

      I think these "... sucks" videos are interesting because you have to know a lot about the system to write one. Or even appreciate one. It's like how people criticising hipsters tend to be at least hipster adjacent.

    • @obineg5752
      @obineg5752 Před měsícem +3

      my G4s still work, and when something breaks i can replace it. let´s talk about the condition of your M1 in 23 years from today.
      yes i know i am comparing apples with squirrels here, but you get my point. :)

    • @user-qf6yt3id3w
      @user-qf6yt3id3w Před měsícem

      @@obineg5752 This is the issue that will eventually force me back to PCs. Though since both Windows and Linux suck way more than macOS I dunno what I'll run on them.

    • @digitalspecter
      @digitalspecter Před měsícem +5

      Yup, M1 Macbook was the hardware I've been waiting for all this time. Enough power, doesn't get hot and loud, lasts for a long time. I happen to have that specific need as well. I can work for 3 days in the wilds (I'll take a small powerbank with me and that's enough). When this becomes possible with Linux I'll switch back because I do not really like macos.. but the hardware is great.

  • @smallduck1001001
    @smallduck1001001 Před měsícem +2

    I really don't think MPW (workshop not workbench +5:45) was free, but part of a pricey developer account. It's shell wasn't csh, and very limited because it couldn't fork processes: commands were run like plugins to MPW's app process and could only run one at a time. As an example, the Make equivalent couldn't launch build commands itself, but instead had to output a build script, exit, and have the shell run the script.

  • @TheBadFred
    @TheBadFred Před 21 dnem +2

    What are the alternatives? Windows 11, that most people don't want to install, Linux, X11 or Wayland? I think most developers hate Xcode, right?

  • @nixielee
    @nixielee Před měsícem +23

    Drag the system folder to a new drive and it will boot? That is truly impressive

    • @bloxyman22
      @bloxyman22 Před měsícem +9

      Amiga did that in the 80s... Also if you wanted to install a driver you just simply drag and dropped it into the right folder.
      You want your old video player or image editing software to support new codecs/formats? Again just simply drag and drop to the right folder on system disk and all software magically now support it.

    • @rnrbishop
      @rnrbishop Před měsícem

      the mac did that in the 80s before the amiga existed. ​@@bloxyman22

    • @MaxOakland
      @MaxOakland Před měsícem +2

      Yup. That kind of thing made me fall in love with Macs long after Mac OS 9 was gone. It was so cool

    • @MaxOakland
      @MaxOakland Před měsícem +2

      @@bloxyman22 Mac OS did it in the 80s too. Way before Amiga. Amiga has plenty of things to claim "first" on but that's not one of them

    • @bloxyman22
      @bloxyman22 Před měsícem +1

      @@MaxOakland Interesting. I honestly did not know and is one of those features I miss the most.

  • @TNVGAMING
    @TNVGAMING Před 5 dny

    Did you ever use NeXTSTEP OS back in the day?

  • @stulawson
    @stulawson Před 29 dny +4

    Apple has become what it sought to better than - a monolithic corporate lacking innovation and abusing its market position.
    Got my first mac in 1995 and it was glorious. Own an M3 but it doesn’t feel like it has the same spirit or rebelliousness.

  • @linuxman7777
    @linuxman7777 Před měsícem +1

    That hotswapable battery thing is really good, My Panasonic Toughbook and Fujitsu Lifebook both have hotswappable batteries. But they are both from the 2000s

  • @kimeraevent
    @kimeraevent Před 9 dny

    I remember that just before the announcement of the cheese grater Mac Pro and the Apple Silicon Mac Studio, there were mock ups of a modernized Johnathan desktop where each slice of the desktop was essentially a Mac Mini that connected together by stacking them together. The concept is insanely cool, but that kind of device has always been hard to build out and support.

  • @k11stan
    @k11stan Před měsícem +3

    not sure what he's taking about when it comes to longevity - I'm typing this on a 2015 MacBook Pro , with all original parts. It will likely last me another 2 years.

    • @obineg5752
      @obineg5752 Před měsícem +2

      give that a G4 is almost 3-4 times older, your argument fails.
      G4s already survived the G5s and the i9 macbooks, because they are all dead by now.

  • @stevenrun3492
    @stevenrun3492 Před měsícem +4

    Classic MacOS was really a marvel. It had huge limitations, but the stuff that it *could* do? Nothing else could the same way. I have so much fun just playing with my old macs running System 7-9

    • @RockwellAIM65
      @RockwellAIM65 Před 29 dny

      It was fun but unprofessional. I think NeXTStep could have been both (professional + fun) but currently is as much of a walking disaster as MacOS 9 was.

  • @obineg5752
    @obineg5752 Před měsícem +3

    i wouldnt know where i would be when there was no resedit/resorcerer. it was a revelation when i discovered it with OS7.
    i dont use it much - but it is so important in certain situations.
    in 95% of the cases you can change menu items in programs, in 50% of the cases you can reskin programs totally. hacking resources helps you to adjust window and dialog sizes in programs which come with tiny, not resizable dialogs.
    there are literally hundreds of useful controlpanels and extensions, and when there is none for the change you wish to make, you can fix the rest by hacking the system suitcase or third party app.
    using MacOS9 since 25 years now and it gets better day by day. what really sucks is the hardware though. be prepared for a regular need to repair something, and learn how to come along with the CPU G4s can offer.

  • @bigjd2k
    @bigjd2k Před 29 dny +1

    Same as everything now - looks cool but works badly and hard to upgrade and repair.

  • @Rhalt
    @Rhalt Před měsícem

    I had completely forgotten making copies of PC's as the tech kid in school by dragging that system folder around.

  • @megatronskneecap
    @megatronskneecap Před 11 hodinami

    The fact that this was editied on iMovie got me rolling on the floor

  • @blu3h4t
    @blu3h4t Před měsícem +1

    some of my colleagues say you are sucha linux/unix specialist you should be our mac specialist, and im like do i need it i have my hands already full with these system center automatisations :D

  • @tutacat
    @tutacat Před měsícem +4

    Macos subsystem for UNIX.

  • @GrahamBrownVirtualTours
    @GrahamBrownVirtualTours Před měsícem +5

    Applescript still existed later on it was just renamed to Automator and was more powerful too

    • @DJAutism1
      @DJAutism1 Před 17 dny +2

      AppleScript does still exist too, not just as Automator.

  • @someoneelse3876
    @someoneelse3876 Před měsícem +4

    I recently bought an old Powerbook to play with, because I used a lot of macs in the nineties, but jeez, classic mac os is extremely unstable, much more so than I remember.
    Run one program that crashes, and you usually have to reboot the whole computer.
    I think you are looking at classic Mac OS with with sentimental eyes.

    • @kylewhite2985
      @kylewhite2985 Před měsícem +2

      Yes but I think you are looking at it with hindsight 2020 eyes, everything crashed that way and worse back then.

    • @someoneelse3876
      @someoneelse3876 Před měsícem

      @@kylewhite2985 Yeah maybe! 😄

    • @JodyBruchon
      @JodyBruchon Před měsícem +3

      OS X was the Windows XP of the Mac ecosystem, but they really starting losing the plot about when they got up to Sierra which started really breaking old software.

  • @Czarmzy
    @Czarmzy Před měsícem +7

    Co-operative is what God intended, according to Terry

    • @PaulSpades
      @PaulSpades Před měsícem +3

      Well, we got multicore and asymmetric cpus since then. Cooperative might actually be faster and more efficient on modern hardware, if you carefully manage task priorities (instead of always interrupting intensive tasks and flushing their instructions from cache).

    • @halfsourlizard9319
      @halfsourlizard9319 Před 25 dny +1

      Run everything in Ring 0; what could go wrong!?

  • @2rx_bni
    @2rx_bni Před 28 dny

    Curious where you sit on Framework's modular devices tbh

  • @user-go8pk1hh2v
    @user-go8pk1hh2v Před měsícem +2

    Those 'hideous' windows shown when discussing Appearance Manager were courtesy of a utility called Kaleidoscope, by Aaron Rose. A fun little bit of code to play with.

    • @RockwellAIM65
      @RockwellAIM65 Před 29 dny +1

      Hot Dog Linux is available.

    • @liquidreality472
      @liquidreality472 Před 18 dny

      Kaleidoscope was awesome, but my father would bug out that it was "different"

  • @macintush
    @macintush Před měsícem +2

    8:13 what do you mean fairly recently? Like 2001 when Macs Shipped with OS X Standard 🤣

  • @Mamiya645
    @Mamiya645 Před měsícem +1

    MacOS on a 2012 Air, acquired this year, is my most recent exposure to it. I really enjoy the whole "WE WERE A ONE BUTTON MOUSE SYSTEM BACK THEN AND BY GOD WE SHALL CONTINUE TO BE ONE NOW" design. There's now a linux installation on the unit (i7 model w 8gb ram on an early 2015 air or earlier = keeper) and life is so incredibly much better, despite the suck of linux.

  • @wizzydq1
    @wizzydq1 Před měsícem +3

    Such nostalgia

  • @deckard5pegasus673
    @deckard5pegasus673 Před měsícem +16

    When apple made the switch to the NeXT operating system, dubbed "Mac OSX" , Apple introduced the Carbon C API for programming. This API was great, in fact it was similar to Win32 in many ways. When apple deprecated the Carbon API and forced everyone to use Cocoa and objective C, is the day Apple died for me.

    • @mariogt
      @mariogt Před měsícem +4

      and even worse when they force everyone to embrace swift instead of objective-c

    • @user-qf6yt3id3w
      @user-qf6yt3id3w Před měsícem +8

      I didn't use or develop for Macs at the time but I remember Apple deprecated Carbon by saying it wouldn't be ported to 64 bit at a show. This was an issue for Adobe who had been told it would. Of course Apple's typically zealous users blamed Adobe for not having Photoshop ready sooner, even though it was clearly Apple's fault. Which reminds me of another thing I find irritating about Apple. Windows can still run Win32 applications built for NT4.0 or Win95. Macs frequently can't run apps built a few years ago because Apple deprecated some API or swapped CPU architecture again. E.g. we've had 68K to PPC to Intel 32 bit to Intel 64 bit to ARM 64 bit. You only get compatibility will one step back, not two and only for while.

  • @kiseitai2
    @kiseitai2 Před měsícem

    7:50 it’s just like my own project’s versioning. A pipeline can be on version 5 while the framework is version 1 (2 if counting from 0).

  • @scottmorgan5212
    @scottmorgan5212 Před měsícem +1

    Can't wait to see all the wonderful things about Mac in Lunduke OS

  • @muddywolfking
    @muddywolfking Před měsícem +1

    Looking forward to the ultimate Lunduke diatribe. "Everything Sucks" :)

  • @olafschluter706
    @olafschluter706 Před 17 dny +1

    Looking at the Extensions and Control Panels slide, I guess a "Classic Macintosh System Software sucks" (and in fact it did, it did so hard that Apple desperately tried to come up with a successor to stay competitive, and OS/2, BeOS were considered, eventually it was NeXTStep then - MS had Window 2000 at that time, full preemptive Multitasking and unprecedented stability - and then there had been Linux for almost a decade) is appropriate. What I see in abundance is wasted screen real estate. We don't do GUIs this way anymore and that is a good thing.

  • @MrGabrielgn
    @MrGabrielgn Před 10 dny

    His description of the old Mac laptop reminds me of my old Lenovo T61. The best laptop ever to exist.

  • @johantibbelin417
    @johantibbelin417 Před dnem

    I bought a white MacBook in 2008, loved that machine. You could still easily change hard drive, ram and battery. I also bought Logic Studio with it. It's still usable today for music production. But in only got two updates of Mac OS X which must be some kind of record.

  • @hgbugalou
    @hgbugalou Před měsícem +2

    They are just making the Mac an iPhone.

  • @principleshipcoleoid8095
    @principleshipcoleoid8095 Před měsícem +1

    Their backups are nice.

  • @jimseibyl5140
    @jimseibyl5140 Před měsícem

    The themes you showed were from the beta Copeland builds that devs got. Apple stripped out those themes for os8
    and os9, so unless you used a third party tool, those themes were not in retail builds.

    • @AdamBuker
      @AdamBuker Před měsícem +2

      Well a lot of hardcore mac users from back then did use Kaleidoscope to install those themes and many others. I certainly did.

  • @WattSekunde
    @WattSekunde Před měsícem +3

    YES! Hi - from a long time A500 and A3k user and software developer too. Good, to the point video! It's always hard to make others understand what they're missing when they don't even know a little about it. Nowadays Apple even goes so far as to fix window and dialog sizes and positions. It's awful. That's also why there are still active retro computer scenes. For example the C64 demo & games scene. It's exactly this freedom to do what *you* want with *your* system, right down to the bare metal!

    • @AdamBuker
      @AdamBuker Před měsícem +2

      The retro computing scenes these days really make the old machines even more enjoyable to use in some ways than they were back then. I have my old Apple IIe that I have owned since the early 90s and it now runs all my software off of a CF card instead of 5.25 floppies. I have a Mockingboard clone sound card and a 4MB RAM expansion. I can do all sorts of things on it with everything I've added on to it in the last 5 years that I never could before. It's the most stable, open-ended, and repairable machine that Apple ever produced or ever will produce.

  • @penguin7682
    @penguin7682 Před 12 dny

    Do you know by any chance how to delete bloatware apps in macOS? I entered in safe mode, went to root in terminal and tried to delete them. And it still said: "You are not allowed to do that".

    • @user-rz1kf4jo4n
      @user-rz1kf4jo4n Před 12 dny

      That's because being root on mac OS is not really root. It's their bastardized version of a user that can do slightly more than a normal user, but full control? No no no.

    • @t7a9
      @t7a9 Před 3 dny +2

      iirc you could disable system integrity protection, but deleting bloatware - system apps - would eventually render your system unbootable, which is incredibly stupid, in what world would i need built-in news or chess?

  • @austinbowling3590
    @austinbowling3590 Před měsícem +3

    I'm just waiting for the Return of the Mac

  • @liquidreality472
    @liquidreality472 Před 18 dny

    Dragging copy of system folder onto ram disk... Ah the memories

  • @isaac80745
    @isaac80745 Před 18 dny

    Sooner they will run games by porting many tools that are used for windows games and adding ray tracing. It might be robust but they have not gone the Microsoft route yet and you can still install some Unix packages to work around some Linux packages.

  • @jaroslavpsenicka
    @jaroslavpsenicka Před 29 dny

    some of the skins (Appearance manager section) belongs to the Copland project, which never reached the shelves TBH

  • @seanmartinflix
    @seanmartinflix Před 11 dny

    Great video I didn't know a lot of this stuff. As a video editor and a Linux lover I feel forced to use Windows and Mac in between the two at least lately I prefer Mac. Yes you can use Linux professionally kind of when it comes to video editing and graphic design DaVinci resolve sure does work to a point. But when you're doing projects day in and day out it really just isn't feasible in a realistic way. Anyway great video I don't know what else to say got a new subscriber with me.

  • @_trudge
    @_trudge Před 27 dny

    i used a powermac g4 mdd until 2012 or so , it was excellent . i write this on my modern pc using a classic mac keyboard from my mac cube . old mac hardware is excellent and continues working to this day !

  • @khwezimngoma
    @khwezimngoma Před 7 dny

    Where have you been all my life, subscribed, hit the bed, liked, wish i could do it a million times more!!

  • @user-bz9sj8mh5d
    @user-bz9sj8mh5d Před měsícem

    As a long-time Mac user, this was a good reminder of many of the great things that classic Macs had going for them that simply aren't around in the same form anymore. While modern Macs certainly have their strengths, some of the old features (HyperCard, AppleScript, seamless multimonitor support) are sorely missed.

  • @N9TAX
    @N9TAX Před měsícem +1

    Every time I use a modern Mac I just get a feeling that this company just doesn't want to be in the PC business. But rather that they want to be in the ios device business. And that they only make the Mac today because some of their users demand a reasonable keyboard. There was a time when this wasn't true but it was the early intel days and Jobs was still alive. Just my .02

  • @Kyotohongaku
    @Kyotohongaku Před měsícem +2

    For me, macs really died off after 2012. I did try their later models, even the latest, but yep, they sucked. So o moved to windows, since there's some kind of linux support now, so i get almost the best of two worlds for my work and entertainment. Three things i really miss a lot are the applescript, finder with a system-wide search, even inside files and the touchpad gestures. Windows laptops got great touchpads at last, but the multi-touch gestures are still subpar, so i have to resort to using a mouse

    • @OverWilliam
      @OverWilliam Před měsícem

      AutoHotkey is great. I've only scratched the surface of AppleScript, but you might find some helpful stuff in AHK if that's an itch you still have.

  • @Morokiane
    @Morokiane Před měsícem +1

    I think one thing missed. It was cool they experimented with a lot of stuff; those products never really saw the light of day. This caused Apple to hemorrhage money leading to needing to be bailed out by Microsoft.
    Also a lot of points, like the internet dependency, are the exact same as Linux and Windows.

  • @halfsourlizard9319
    @halfsourlizard9319 Před 25 dny

    Can confirm that the 'jet engine' Mac lived up to its name ... Had one when I was a PhD student and ran Linux on it; during boot, the fans ran at 100% until I logged in ... which was fine -- except for those times when my officemate was in and I was not.

  • @barcigian
    @barcigian Před měsícem +1

    I thought I was the only weirdo that miss the old systems metaphors, the old look and feel. Even windows 3.11 was great!

  • @Matt2010
    @Matt2010 Před měsícem

    One game I loved playing on a Mac back in the 90s, late 90s. Was Harpoon 2 on Mac OS 7. Had to update it if One went Mac OS 8 9, and X with Harpoon 3 more updated from H2. .

  • @pweddy1
    @pweddy1 Před 27 dny

    They ported Mac OS to the iPhone and then locked it down.
    And now they make Macs that are just big iPhones with a different GUI.

  • @futuristicentity2417
    @futuristicentity2417 Před 29 dny +1

    Is it sad when Linux is the last line of defense?

  • @computerhobbyshop
    @computerhobbyshop Před 12 dny

    You have an interesting background kinda intense like mine... I was an early software evangelist with a Macintosh developer ID of MMCS (for MicroMac Computer Systems) and later I taught over 1,000 students in 70+ cities in a year and a half, but it was the good old days of OS 9 and G3s and the 1st fruit color iMacs. What a rush... now I'm retired and running a hobby blog called ComputerHobbyShop just for non-profit fun. Thanks Bryan for the video, you got a new sub here. (Want me to free promote you on my blog?)

  • @AlexandreLollini
    @AlexandreLollini Před 18 dny

    What if I coulf fix My IIfx or my 9600/350... those beige things are awesome.

  • @IDisposable
    @IDisposable Před měsícem

    With any hardware maker... you mean like Framework?

  • @critamine
    @critamine Před 12 hodinami

    Ripped this with yt-dlp, thanks

  • @user-nb5hl6rr8q
    @user-nb5hl6rr8q Před 12 dny

    Good sir! I'm a Mac user in far east Asia, and I picked up my first MacBook in 2019. When I was at middle school, I had a chance to play around with Mac Plus and the Mac Classic (or even LC I ). I totally agree with your points. As an international user, I 'loved' WorldScript because it allowed me to type my mother tongue. After that, I had a little experience with PowerMacs. (Yeah, just like you said, I also had the chance to play around with the Power Mac that could accept the DOS card. ) To me, it was amazing because the machine itself had the best of both worlds. After a while, for some reason, I kinda switched to Windows, and like I said in the beginning, I got myself a MacBook Pro 2012 13inch in 2019. Well, this machine still runs like a champ for me. I mean, I could swap the battery (if I could find one...say maybe in Ali Express?) but I did upgrade the RAM to 16 gigs and I also use a Samsung Evo 2TB hard drive. Sure, the 2012 machine is kinda heavy, but it's upgradable (glad it doesn't have the tork(?) screws) , it has a DVD player and well..legacy ports like FireWire and 3.0 USB etc. The thing is that if I really wanted to, I could use OCLP (OpenCore Legacy Patcher?) to use the latest system software. However, I try to stick to the last 'official' version which is Catalina because I don't really like the 'work around' method where some features might not work...and so on. (I'm not sure, but when I ran Monterey in my 'technically not supported' MacBook, I couldn't run VMware. I mean..it says there's a pipe line error..(whatever that is...). Anyways, to me, VMWare is important because I do use a lot of Windows 7 and Windows 10. (heck, I even use Windows XP when I have to.). VMware is also good for running Linux distros. Surprisingly, the old 'Ivy Bridge' dual core processor is *still* very much 'snappy' for me, and I am still using my MacBook Pro 2012 13inch right up to today. It's a solid machine. However, I do get your point. But I just wanted to add that although 2012 MacBook is very old, it did have some upgradability. Yes~ you are right..after that, they started to make thinner MacBooks so they made it impossible to upgrade RAM; only the SSD (using some kind of adapter) could be upgraded. I mean, right now, with the M series, there is really nothing you could do. SoC

  • @2disbetter
    @2disbetter Před měsícem +6

    A iOS sucks show would make so much sense. It is truly terrible for so many reasons.

    • @kevinsedwards
      @kevinsedwards Před 28 dny

      So true. You can't even easily scroll to the end of your text highlight lol

  • @cyberlizardcouk
    @cyberlizardcouk Před 17 dny

    If we could run MacOS software on Linux with a translation layer I would be very happy.

  • @BlahBleeBlahBlah
    @BlahBleeBlahBlah Před 5 hodinami

    I wasn’t sure if this would be “macOS” specific but I’m pleased to hear stories back to “Mac OS” (minus the X!)

  • @mccrh7737
    @mccrh7737 Před měsícem +1

    Still have mad love for the classic Mac OS 😍 To this day I still develope and use the classic platform to this day and will continue for many years to come 🤩

  • @otte385
    @otte385 Před měsícem +10

    Man, I would kill to have something like Extensions and AppleScript on a Linux system. Just getting something like Automator from Mac OS X, even though it sucks more, would be amazing

    • @digitalspecter
      @digitalspecter Před měsícem

      Now I'm curious, what makes Automator better than scripts on Linux?

    • @RockwellAIM65
      @RockwellAIM65 Před 29 dny +1

      Linux really needs NSBundle and NeXT PDO. Static bindings on apps are a problem and Linus+friends don't seem to be able to decide on a course of action. There are also possibilities also with AI and PDO... tho' it's early. Musk was just saying that so far AI has been useless in engineering at SpaceX and I know part of the problem with that is related to the ossification of network and DO protocols. e.g. we have websites (why?) but we do not have internet channels that we can bind to. It not 'crazy-stupid' but these guys these supposed luminaries are just lazy ne'er-do-wells they have spent the last 25 years not pushing the tech forward - now we will pay.

    • @otte385
      @otte385 Před 23 dny +1

      @@digitalspecter Graphical automation mostly.

  • @user-nr5zo5os2d
    @user-nr5zo5os2d Před 29 dny +1

    The perfect integration between OS and hardware. Linux Foundation uses MAC 😂 The end.

  • @StressedOut-cl5ne
    @StressedOut-cl5ne Před měsícem

    What about shortcuts for macOS?

    • @obineg5752
      @obineg5752 Před měsícem

      would you say they are better or different? i love navigating the finder using keys only, but i think that windows can do that too but i am just too lazy to learn.

  • @korosoid
    @korosoid Před 12 dny

    I wanted to hear more specifics about the shortcomings of the logic of the modern operating system and the convenience of the interface.
    The lack of modernization of the user interface does not look like a disadvantage because eye-catching themes cause a cringe to me. Like what we see in desktop threads, if you know what I mean.
    The inability to replace the battery and add RAM in laptops also looks pretty natural. Apple products are about consumption, so their owners just sell the hardware on time after a certain charging cycle and buy a new one.
    What a reference! 59:55

  • @KerryXEX
    @KerryXEX Před 11 dny +1

    I agree to some of your points regarding flexibility (e.g. copying a _RUNNING_ system to an external drive and just boot from there).
    I don't agree that some of those points are gone. e.g. long-term hardware use: I still used a Mac Mini from 2011 until last year with almost up-to date macOS updates! And that's applicable to all of the product line still.
    But many of your points are just about living in the past and whining about the "good old days" which are different not for Apple but for the whole industry! Almost EVERY modern laptop, mobile phone, tablet is not highly upgradable. While Apple moved to most of those steps first, the whole PC industry is following for various reasons of design, portability, light-weight design etc. And for 99% of users this is ok.
    And what you completely ignore: security. The days, where you could copy/paste a system without restrictions are just gone in a ubiquitously connected world with so many different attack angles that everyone is facing and, again, 99% of users are not able to deal with themselves.

  • @jk-mm5to
    @jk-mm5to Před měsícem +15

    Widows sucks too!

    • @notapplicable2636
      @notapplicable2636 Před měsícem +2

      *windows.? Yes!

    • @markusTegelane
      @markusTegelane Před měsícem +1

      no, it's awesome /j

    • @ChrisP872
      @ChrisP872 Před měsícem +2

      My vacuum with Windows OS sucks very hard. Except sometimes when I need it most, then it insists on an update and reboot.

  • @tonymackelve8650
    @tonymackelve8650 Před 8 dny

    me watchingt his on my mac while shoping for an additional mac

  • @tibbydudeza
    @tibbydudeza Před měsícem +3

    Xcode also sucks

    • @RockwellAIM65
      @RockwellAIM65 Před 29 dny

      Yes it should be simple. And we need Palettes back in "IB," however IB is manifested now. Sheesh. If you have Palettes you basically can have Hypercard back in 5 minutes. I retrofitted a Hypercard like system for Interface Builder on Openstep it is not hard.

  • @123454142
    @123454142 Před 14 dny

    You can say the same about BMW. It happens when engineers are no longer in charge of company direction in favor of management and shareholders.

  • @whtiequillBj
    @whtiequillBj Před 17 dny

    @17:15, I believe the first Mac was just a motherboard with no case.

  • @vemmanr
    @vemmanr Před 4 dny

    And then steve understood humans are cattle!
    My first interaction with a computer was in my late teens with a Pentium 100 my uncle bought for architecture design. It had Win 3.11 and Prince of Persia. The first Mac I saw was a laptop he got as gift from US friend.

  • @epicmap
    @epicmap Před 9 dny

    To be fair, modern macs ain't that expensive, if you only look at the base models. And if you compare "apples to apples" - if you compare macbooks with other notebooks with a great screen, speakers, battery life and build quality. But if you want to upgrade 512gb ssd to 1tb it costs $200. And an upgrade from 8gb ram to 16gb also costs $200. This is what stupid expensive, this is what infuriating me.

  • @DonThorntonJr
    @DonThorntonJr Před měsícem

    awesome walk down memory lane for me - spot on and I was lucky to have experienced most of this first hand

  • @NotOrdinaryInGames
    @NotOrdinaryInGames Před měsícem

    Did Amiga come after the Mac?

    • @RockwellAIM65
      @RockwellAIM65 Před 28 dny

      Yes. Commodore was essentially a chip fab that made her own computers.

    • @NotOrdinaryInGames
      @NotOrdinaryInGames Před 28 dny

      @@RockwellAIM65 I guess Apple (the Apple that once was, not current Apple) could boast that they were quirky FIRST!

  • @LangleyNA
    @LangleyNA Před měsícem +1

    It's interesting, I guess.
    I feel you speak about direction/production/vision changes.
    I like the current like 2010s-era Tim Cook-era _"huperson values"_ culture they have.
    It's a bit formulaic, but I like their huperson-centric language.
    There are always concerns. I feel inclined to agree with many things ya' say.
    But I won't wholesomely or even majorly invalidate a lot of what is being done because of how things were done in past.

  • @plenus7392
    @plenus7392 Před 10 dny

    Current MacOS is like an OS made for toddlers, propeller cap included