Titus in the Hotseat on "Lunduke: The Alex Jones of Linux"
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Our buddy, Chris Titus, put out a show entitled "Lunduke: The Alex Jones of Linux". Now, obviously, I had to invite him over to The Lunduke Journal to tell him all of the things he got wildly wrong.
Note: This is two people disagreeing on some things -- while agreeing on others -- and being cool to each other about all of it. This is how it should be.
The Titus Video:
• Lunduke: The Alex Jone...
More from The Lunduke Journal:
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I love how both of you agreed to disagree.
Like REAL adults.
Lunduke didn't make the tech world political, he just reports on it when no one else will.
There is a niche on the market and Lunduke got it by the balls. Now he is on the spot. Congratulations Lunduke.
I'm glad you and Chris Titus are still so chill with each other. I know a lot of people who will post videos about you and your beliefs and do not want to be challenged themselves. But the fact that CTT will come on and talk with you about it is great.
As a 25 year Linux admin, and linux desktop user.... I had no idea who Lunduke was, until Titus' video.... am subb'd now.
Check out Lunduke's Linux Sucks series.
Same, got here by Nicos ..hater video. I certainly DON'T agree with a few things of the Lundukes world view, but ... let's agree to disagree, and work on the things we agree on, is a good take.
Lunduke did not really change. He is a free thinker. He first pointed out technical flaws in the Linux ecosystem as a user and developer and with great humor suggested to work together to fix them. In recent years he is pointing out the inconvenient truth that there are flaws in our communities and in the way they have tilted towards orthodoxy recently. He is not always correct and I dont always agree, but he speaks his mind freely and honestly. Kudos to you Lunduke.
There isn't anything orthodox about the problem. If there was a 'right teaching' or at least 'best practice' on how to make Linux work, that's one thing. But what is going on with woke culture and the insanity of the hyperbole is a problem. Aside from maybe Islamic countries, there is no one calling for a bad ending to befall trans people, though there is a call for teachers to stop grooming kids, and instead going back to what schooling is supposed to be for, teaching the basics on reading, writing, math, science, etc. It's not a teachers' job to push kids into any sexuality, nor to push cultural warfare in the classroom.
When large corporations are in charge you will believe what large corporations believe
@@raul0ca
Do you mean that "one" will believe that, or that @YellowCable will believe that?
Titus lookin like he got in trouble and is in the principle's office
That's the look when you blow up your own channel
Yea I remember him shilling that Chrome fork by one dev that disappeared
I took was living in Portland in 2020 when the world went insane. Like Bryan it had a profound effect on me and yes it caused me to lurch to the right.
I was a real leftist. It was part of my core ideology and culture. I grew up in punk bands, and was very interested in politics, social-science, and philosophy. Antifa were like my heroes, and yet I also held conservative ideas that I always thought were core to the USA.
Well-before 2020 though, I was exposed to opposing ideas.
Merely asking others about them drew a ton of animosity that was unfounded, and I realized that evidence or information that was counter to the ideology was looked at as a threat. This was the same kind of phobia/irrational fear that I accused the other side of, and that made me question all of the "beliefs" I held.
The ideas I had before were met with zero resistance, and they were comfortable to have. When I started it was the opposite.
@@drownthepoor lol honestly what you just said.... You could have been a Muslim talking about Islam and the West. The west does exactly what you just said when there's any ever any real discussion or debate about Islam.
That's about when I stopped following him. It wasn't so much his sudden lean to the right, surprising as that was from an FSF advocate. I lost all respect when he started citing PragerU articles as sources. That made me question his judgment. You either have to be completely naive, or way to far down the rabbit hole to not know what PragerU is. This is the first time I've watched any since then. So far he has good points. But ya, PragerU man. Everything he says now comes with a large McD's fries helping of salt.
@@CoreyKearney will keep my eyes open lol.
I have watched some good videos of him exposing what needs to be exposed tho.
@@drownthepoor Yeah, I lived there for 25 years, only moved to the country last year. Politics are confusing and portland is a confusing place. I've whittled down my beliefs down to one thing over the years. I'm anti-war. That makes me the enemy of both political parties I guess.
This discussion was better than any Linux/Tech podcast I'm currently listening to.
I'm glad you guys got together. This is how it should be. I was rather disappointed with Chris's video this morning. I felt it was short sighted and doing a disservice to his credibility to jump on the hate lunduke bandwagon.
I have always respected him and enjoyed his content.
People should be more willing to do this, sit down with someone you may disagree with and respectfully hear the other person out. That being said, your should have let Chris speak more without interrupting.
**Edit: I retract my interruption comment.
This is not their first video together. They are good friends. 😀
@@act.13.41 It's great to see. I've seen other videos from leftie dweebs on YT calling him an anti-vaxxer and decrying him for being political whilst admitting they can't hide their own political views.
Believe it or not, both Lunduke and Titus are actually centrists.
Titus is the kind that just wants to step back and leave everything at the door. It's honestly the best way for getting along with everyone.
I wish I could go back to that, but I've seen the extent of the damage being done (and what has already been done); and putting away the actions of someone who fundamentally desires to hurt your family -- who is in a position to easily become your neighbor -- would be such a terrible act that does such damage to the community and its future generations, that my conscience wouldn't allow me to sleep at night after accepting such people; beyond small talk or a bare bones professional relationship.
Lunduke is a more active centrist that recognizes abuses and can't leave them unchallenged. He just looks right wing because of labeling, and because this totalitarian grip we're currently facing is from one faction. The other side does the wrong thing pretty often as well; but it almost always comes in the form of doing nothing, or intentionally dismantling themselves.
You're 100% correct. I'm very far to the right of Lunduke, but I was once very far to the left.
Moving to the center immediately gets you labeled right-wing. But facing uncomfortable facts is what drove me further.
It was very comfortable to be on the left side of things, and being extreme and outspoken wouldn't cost you anything as long as it was in that direction.
Today I see political ideology woven into so many things, and when I was on the left I wouldn't have even noticed.
One thing about the right though: Sure a lot of it is inaction, and passivity.
But at the top of both parties are careerists who play roles like stage actors, and they make deals about how they'll vote on this bill by sacrificing their vote on that bill. All of the will-power that gets carried out on both sides is largely decided by corporations, banks, NGO's, and even the non-elected people in our government.
For exmaple: the current head of the DHS is a board member of HIAS. One of the biggest NGO's helping people in Ecuador and other nations walk to the USA. People from as far away as Africa, Afghanistan, and China who have spent small fortunes to get there; then reach the USA and claim asylum. They're coached/supported by NGO's like HIAS.
Mayorkas being on that board and holding that position is a CLEAR conflict of interest, and hardly anyone talks about it on either side.
yah, you're right, by the original meaning of woke, that's lunduke.
Chriis Titus hasn't gotten pushed far enough to go the way of Lunduke, Jordan Peterson, and Dave Rubin... yet. The left is far more active in tyranny. The problem with the right is that there are spineless RINOs that don't know how to take a stand, or are in on it with the leftists and just want to keep the uniparty filled with swamp people. Hard to keep the pork barrow rolling is you have legislators in office that actually want to run the country and make it function, as opposed to keeping it dysfunctional, with people segregated and not seeing the shifting of hands to rob us blind.
Eh, I dunno, Lunduke is definitely right of center. Not far right, not by any stretch, but he's farther right than me, and I'm already right of center.
@@codahighland - defining left and right can be subjective. There are people that consider Microsoft to be right wingers simply for being a corporate entity and capitalist enterprise. Under that definition, such people probably think that Red Hat is right wing as well.
How about an Expo with Louis Rossmann, Mental Outlaw, Brodie Robertson, Switched to Linux, Tech Yes City, Hardware Unboxed, and Gamers Nexus? The Renegades of Tech?
Lunduke has a solid head on his shoulders
Make a entire video on how they are turning the kernel gay and I'll entertain your comparison to alex jones
Wait? They're turning the kernel gay? I KNEW IT!!!
15 years ago, someone told me memory safety is gay.
Rust is now entering the kernel, it has begun.
I'm thinking that's less than 5 Lunduke videos away :)
@@Beesman88 Ha
@@Beesman88 See?!!! See??!!!! GAY. Total proof!! 😅
"Lunduke Fans Take It To The End"
he's 100% correct. We watch videos all the way through, even if we do it at 1.5x speed.
Watched this at 2.25x lol
Ride or die.
The bartender didn't switch to being an architect, just because he is mentioning the roof is falling down!
A lot of creators didnt go to politics, politics came to them. Im glad to have a conservative voice in the tech world we really need more. Also, Ive followed Cris and Brian for a long time, nice to see them both in the same video.
No matter how much we try to avoid politics, it has a way of catching up to us eventually, in the worse ways possible. If it is unvoidable it is better to activelly prepare to deal with it.
Thanks for being a lightning rod. It's nice to have someone willing to speak right of center. I know I have a reputation as a loose cannon in my circle. I tend to say what's on my mind, and that doesn't usually align with the powers that be.
I get Chris Titus on the centrism thing. gridlock is a feature not a bug. For many of us, we've been watching the gridlock grind slowly in one direction with some mix of horror and distaste.
You do have a particular flourish. I love the mutual respect here. I agree that it's hilarious that you're the Voldemort of tech.
I’m a tree hugging hippie who probably disagrees with 90% of Lunduke’s hot takes but that’s fine- I’d rather argue with a smart person than listen to a room full of stupid people mindlessly parroting what they think I want to hear. Everybody just chill out and enjoy nerdy stuff!
that's what people are trying to do, but other people have decided to embark on a crusade against those who are not actively defending the same things they do.
Hippies. They wanna change the world, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.
Eric Cartman
Thank you both for having an adult conversation. I wish there was more of this. People who agree to disagree, and can have a civil discussion.
Headline: Lunduke and Titus in cahoots to get more clicks!
"Crypto-fascists Lunduke, Titus, Taylor and Brody conspire to normalize Zionist hate speech on CZcams" - a scoop by our tech correspondent Nicco Venerandi
So long as it's not clickbait, why not? Isn't that the idea, to produce content that folk like to watch while remaining factual?
I consider myself on the left, but I still watch and appreciate Lunduke's content. I might not agree with every opinion, but he absolutely DOES get the facts right and facts that I don't hear from anyone else. And it's very eye opening when I see the left through Lunduke's lens and sometimes I think "yeah he's kinda right!".
was kinda weird is that's all I think most people want is exactly what you're saying like just be cool just chill if you don't like what someone's saying explain why and in good faith.
The world used to be like what you were just saying, where people could kind of disagree and they recognized when I said, "Oh, I'm on the left or I'm a centrist or I'm on the right or I'm a libertarian." They understood that these were axiomatic truths for those people, that they were biases that are built into them and they might not truly see your perspective but they're willing to entertain it. Now it seems like it's a badge of tribalism and it's really frustrating.
Alternative title: Lunduke radicalizing Titus for over an hour!
Jokes aside, I'm glad they're friends who can have a good discussion.
This is great...Titus, and Lunduke - you made my day. Thanks.
To quote Oscar Wilde "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."
"Lunduke is the linux alex jones" I already watch him you don't have to sell him more chris!
What i love is that so many of us came out in support of Lunduke, and even embrace Alex Jones.
Because in times past there weren't enough people counter-signaling all of the hate for Jones, and his detractors pretended he was a a fringe-figure when CZcams deleted his channel it was the most watched live show on CZcams.
@@drownthepoor I remember those days, grew up on 4chan, but then the 2010's came around and everything got shuttered so freaking quick. You could watch a show one day and the next day it barely showed up on google. And people would tell you it wasn't happening. almost 15 years later now I understand the phrase "they will piss in your face and tell you it's champagne"
@@Schadowofmorning 4chan and /Pol were amazing. The Shia Labeouf He Will Not Divide Us days were a special time in sh!tposting history.
@@drownthepoor It's sad how much 4chan has spiraled down the coomer path. I remember the days where /gif actually had threads about something that wasn't porn.
It amazes me how Chris can put the onus on Lunduke for why he can't go to conferences anymore instead of speaking out against the conferences for blacklisting him.
It's because it's likely the sponsors are the reason, it happens pretty often in other type of conferences that they veto certain speakers.
@@ElMarcoh I get it, but I guess I hold the free software community to a higher standard than most when it comes to this stuff since they're supposedly all about freedom. I know it's easier said than done to stick to your principles when money is involved, but having sponsors that want speakers blacklisted for having certain political views seems totally antithetical to the whole movement imo. There's a ton of weirdos in the free software space that I don't care for, but I don't think blacklisting them from conferences and other collaborations is the right thing to do.
I agree, there are some very strange things happening in the Linux communities and it's becoming a big problem, maybe it's true that M$ is behind it all 😵💫
@@Redman8086 >The free software community is all about freedom
Literally never has been. Tarver was right.
@@Redman8086 Absolutely, hacker and tech culture used to be libertarian. Remember the slogan "The Internet treats censorship as damage, and routes around it."? We aren't holding them to OUR standards, we're holding them to THEIR once avowed standards. If their younger selves could see what they became, they would slit their wrists to avoid becoming that. The young ones don't know any better, perhaps, but they aren't the ones in charge. They have become the establishment, and more authoritarian than the establishment they once despised.
i don't care if left or right, lunduke nails it every single time, and i'm all here for it.
This was a pleasant surprise. I knew Titus had no animosity in this morning's video, but I still disagreed. It'd nice to see y'all hash it out.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,” ..... I'll just leave this here. I'm on Team Bryan 100%
Honestly, these days being compared to Alex Jones isn't the insult they think it is.
Alex Jones is a douche-bag , always has been, always will be.. and no I am not a dem or republican.
The lawsuit he lost says otherwise lmao
It isn't the insult it used to be. It's a lesser insult.
@@werethless12 Not really tbh, so he lied about Sandy Hook, people lie about Jan 6th being orchestrated by Trump daily and nothing happens to them, nowadays a lawsuit says nothing really, especially one like that with trillion dollar payouts clearly meant to destroy the accused at every level due to a judicial vendetta.
I actually think stuff like that is what gives Jones the most legitimacy, if they left him alone then he'd just be a goofball making funny faces and saying silly things, but then you add in the ridiculous lengths people go to in order to persecute and get him off the air and all the sudden he gains a LOT of legitimacy in the eyes of a lot of people, why would the people they dislike be so desperate the get rid of Jones if he wasn't slipping in some truths or popularizing some conspiracy theories that powerful people are concerned about.
His fame is thus entirely a product of the persecution of him by his enemies
Chris portrayed you as a legend so I just had to find out for myself.
at the beginning of this video, you had my attention... now you gentleman you've got my respect.
I wish that there were no politics in Linux. I don't understand what politics has to do with Linux. There should be no name-calling, no cancellation, no toxic stuff. Unfortunately, there IS politics in Linux, and it's 100% from one side of the political aisle. If you happen to be from the other side, you are persona non grata. It's wrong. People are more than their political opinions. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, even if you disagree with it.
Unfortunately it's kind inherent to desktop Linux because of GNU/FSF/etc. Dunno if you know this but RMS is an uber-communist. A lot of people who got pulled in to the ideology of free software have either been brainwashed into leftist politics (money bad, always share everything, own nothing, etc) or were leftists to begin with and when one side of politics all comes together, things get political. It's amazing to me how many times I come across trans-flag cat-girl anime avatars anytime I am doing research on something related to Linux or programming stuff and those people are definitely not right-wing or centrist. I think also a lot of people who get really into tech stuff just don't touch grass enough and tend to have issues with mental health, so these types of people just tend to conglomerate. I mean whatever happened to the stereotypical nerd who was just into nerd stuff, didn't care about politics, and didn't wear programming socks? Modernity is weird.
I hate to tell you this, but it's GNU-Linux. It wasn't off to a good start.
Richard Stallman is interesting.
@@erincarson8998 yeah, Stallman's views are "interesting" to say the least.
Everything is politics now. Even stupid Olympic games starts with a drag queen show. There was an app I was using, and on its GitHub page, there was something like "By using this software, you're agreeing to condemn Russia."
Politics, especially today's hysterical and overly emotional left leaning politics, is a way for big tech to take control of every important open source project and destroy any opposition. It is basically a bunch of bad actors earning a lot of money and influence to preach and a lot of true believers in the useful idiot role.
Not that it needs to be said but: You get attacked for "attacking" the Gnome Foundation because .. *drumroll* the Gnome Foundation is political.
Wait what? That sucks because I really like Pops Gnome Cosmic
Any project that shifts from board or founder directed to "community" is taken over by political actors.
I like how in this cursed modern world two friends can talk about politics and being able to talk like sane people. And they are going deep not the skirting along the lines like a lot of these conversations go.
Tech companies are so fiercely political these days, you can't cover tech without covering the political side of it. I hope you keep up the great work, Lunduke.
I thought there was only a few of us around till I found titus
Kudos to Titus for doing a vid with Lunduke. Like him or not he is going to get crap got just talking to him.
@christitustech “Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.” John Stuart Mills
Well this is a superhero crossover that pleases me very much.
This was a totally awesome video!
How do you suppose this conversation would go if Redhat was overtly discriminating against black people? Would Titus still be saying "I just don't care, we should focus on how Redhat fired the guy with a sick wife"? I dunno.
Chris thinks that burying his head in the sand will make everything alright.
🎉🎈🎉🎈🎉
Lunduke! I am re-falling in love with you 7 years later ❤
i wish more people nowadays could end disagreements with 'let's get a cheeseburger, buddy'
Seems like they actually are turning the penguin gay, though.
-We’re not turning the penguin gay.
-The penguin’s gay, and here’s why it’s a good thing.
What
Chris is an entertainer not an educator. He has been for a long time. Whereas Bryan is a journalist, not a comedian. There is nothing wrong with either of those things.
You don't expect power metal bands to sing about diplomatic treaties and trade relations between fantasy kingdoms instead of about wars. You don't expect the DM running your DnD campaign to include a 1:1 united nations in it.
So why would you expect serious takes about real news from Chris, or anything but the most meticulously researched reporting from Bryan? That's just not what they do.
While I get what you mean; I think people are capable of stepping outside their skill-set. Sometimes it's good to hear what someone who isn't versed in a subject or style has to say.
For example, I don't trust most journalists. Even the ones that are ideologically aligned with me.
Andrew Breitbart or Drudge are people that I used to enjoy following, but they have biases and framing that gets in the way of a story when the facts don't line up with them.
People who hate Trump can't report on him fairly, but his fans will also carry water and ignore things that aren't pretty about him.
If you're not going to pay for it, black rock will pay for it. And that is why open source has failed.
Awesome video. Love you both, thanks for making this.
in Brazil we say that some people will only pay attention when the water hits their ass. .o7
The title should be your channel motto going forward.
I haven't seen you guys together laughing since a BWW in Arlington. Makes me smile. :)
(I'm saying this at the 12min mark. I hope it doesn't change by the end. Yes, I am watching it at a higher speed.)
glad i found this one idk titus was on here and yall were friends. this right here is the real way to act just like the most liked comment said like an adult. you can be friends and disagree with things. i really hope the things lunduke reports on can bring people together to not let linux and open source be taken over and ruined....there were a lot of great parts but 53:00 ! genuinely thank you bryan for asking the hard questions and trying to get others to do the right thing and use their platforms for awareness when they can. edit: lmao the genuine agreement at 58:16 is hilarious we all know why but i think titus missed the mark about companies caring everyone knows they dont about you its not about that its not even about the politics neither its simply comes down to morals and right and wrong at the end of the day....was awesome listening to you both and a great convo would like to see you two together again! edit2: im missing some context here idk chris posted about lunduke? 1:17:13
I like that both of you can hash things out and still be friends, as most of us are centrist, but we cherry pick what we like and don't like from both sides of the aisle.
would be nice to be able to watch the original video...
You know what i don't know how to get you two to see this, I've watched both of you for a while, and one point i'd like to make here, I genuinely enjoyed the fact that you two can talk about even your own differences civilly, you don't yell at each other etc.. That's actually a key takeaway, every single person will have a slightly different opinion from the next.. and i think from Lunduke's perspective, its the lack of ability to calmly discourse their opinions in a space without battle lines being drawn that's the biggest problem i think, you can't mention anything without battle lines being drawn. and if that's what we succumb to, there is a point to be made that the mainstream narrative will eventually shift to a heavy bias.
And Titus, i respect your reasons for not covering this stuff, i also respect that you came and had the discussion, because while it would have been a shit storm on your channel, here i think it actually adds a net positive to the whole thing. i think one point Lunduke failed to clearly express, was not that someone else needs to cover it the way he covers it, but in fact quite the opposite, someone else needs to cover it differently than he covers it, someone with slightly different views, from a slightly different angle. Otherwise we just have a single perspective.. but that in no way is encouragement for you to do it, but perhaps insight into how i interpret what he means when he says he can't be the only one.. it's hard to cover this unless you have a very solid financial source, because i know from you and probably most peoples perspective, even if we cut money out of this, the passion I'd have to have for this would need to be extreme to deal with the ebbs and flows, ups and downs of covering this would be mentally taxing to the point of why.. it's a tough thing but both sides have merit..
The majority of people have 100% more respect for someone that can state a fact is a fact and give an opinion on it that is an actual opinion from that person's brain and not a parrot talking point of everybody else. An opinion doesnt change a fact and people can have their own opinions. But to not talk about them or state them because of fear of losing some stupid stats on CZcams is just the same as banning your own speech.
18:00 the thing is, The Register and the likes are viewed as the "trusted" sources. My local language "mainstream" news use those as sources, those are the general news "normies" consume. Titus can say he has his 5m views, but that is his bubble that doesn't leak out to general news everywhere. Even I have not heard of him even though I watch enough tech YT.
This was a good video. I love videos from both of you and love how you both debate on these topics.
1:13:10 I live in Portland and I cannot wait to get out of here...
Pretty sure I used to hear Lunduke on radio years ago. Now subbing since I know he will cover SV openly. Growing up near SV has been an interesting ride. Saw first computer as a kid in 1979. Have watched this evolution and used to read the tech blogs like Wired. I have given up on any of those websites to accurately cover Big Tech. It has been obvious for years there is only some kind of controlled opposition Left tolerated as the “dissent”…like Karie Swisher.
I miss people talking like adults that can agree to disagree without namecalling and screeching. This video should be the gold standard
Having someone make an independent conference would be so awesome 😎
Lunduke, I used to disagree with you on just about everything, but I think you may have touched upon something upon the facial hair growing in and getting a little bit gray because I agree with almost everything you're saying lately.
The beautiful part is, you and Chris like eachother more than you like forcing eachother's opinion down the other's throat.
That's not a left/center/right thing, it's just you both being decent, well meaning people.
Chris said something that makes sense, how companies sack a lot of people during bad times. Eli touched on that differently, how companies can use stupid woke/political ideas in general to get rid of the employees without getting a negative reaction on their stock price.
They both make such valid points while will disagreeing with each other.
But it is so refreshing to see conversations like this...
Thank you Chris for being willing to do this and thank you Bryan for hosting this talk!
I like Bryan Lunduke, even if he talks about politics. Where he lost me was when he moved most of his valuable takes behind a paywall. I found Lunduke on CZcams through one of this Linux Sucks presentations and instantly subscribed.
I understand his dislike for Google, but he alienated a lot of his CZcams fans and made it work to get his content. I tried for a bit to follow him elsewhere, and even bought a year of Lunduke Journal a while back. But I slowly replaced his content with other CZcams content not because I dislike him, but because CZcams has all the content I like in one place.
Like I said, I understand his decision, and the censorship of CZcams to his type of content. I respect Lunduke for standing up for what he believes in. But if he wants to get his message out to more people, he can’t hide his content or make it extra work to get.
I’m sure I’m not the only regular watcher he lost. He broke a habit of always watching him from me.
I like that you are actually having a adult conversation regarding to having a different opinions. These types of debates used to be common but people don't really do that now, their is usually divide in political spaces and it usually ends up in partisan sh*t-flinging
Titu learnt about linux 3 years ago or so, he's a windows admin. He doesnt have anything to do with linux/unix philosophy, community etc. Lunduke was in inux before linux existed. They are not the same.
Also Lunduk rocks by not giving a flying fuk over rolling donut, Titus is politcor to the extreme. Like Lunduke used to be, until he wasnt. Bryan is an epitomy of not testing the limits of patient man
It's not so much left and right but those who value the American Constitution and those who are pushing Globalism (Imperialism). I am Australian, I understand "Make America Great Again" is to promote "Liberty for ALL" which is still being perfected since inception. Stop being divisive!!!
The world doesn't need any one side to squash all contrary thought. It needs respectful and decent dialog like this with free speech and openness to factual reporting regardless of who the facts please, and without anyone getting to declare facts they dislike off-limits "misinformation."
Great and entertaining show! Personally, I'm annoyed by the way politics gets involved in technology. We come from different walks of life and no one can't please everyone.
29:24 I would say that you Lunduke-ified your video, because that's frequently how Lunduke sets up his own material. Lunduke thought it was great, because he sees himself in that setup. I loved it too.
titus scared to hear the truth about atrazine in the water
I believe more people tend to agree with Lunduke than is apparent
this is ... kinda intense! Wish titus's mic was a bit more balanced with BL
Question : is there a right leaning base for open source ? It seems that unless its commercial competition against one another that can't be.
You know I like Linux and what it has done for all of us, we shouldn't put politics into it.
We should focus in making a great operative system for all of us.
It would be great if the only politics Linux users cared about was "Copyright vs. Copyleft" and "Microsoft Halloween Documents, amirite?"
Like it or not, (extreme left-wing) politics have injected themselves into almost every Linux project. The Neoreactionists have co-opted our hobby, our kernel, and our projects. To wish it went back to 1998's politics is to label yourself "far right" today.
@@SosumiInc It's sad you see :c
Titus, a guy who has 600k followers, has all the power to impact a lot further. And the internet has empowered simpletons to be able to have a broader impacte and a voice. That's something the lunatics taking over the companies have realised, and those moderate like Titus haven't.
Titus' video lead me to your channel. Can't tell me who I can and can't listen to!
I’m starting to think journalists are just getting lazy. I just attended a three day oil conference where there was only a single journalist in the three rows of press risers who covered the event. Anyone else who might cover it is watching this man’s livestream…
I'd take it as praise
It's not just tech, it's how to tech and why to tech. Pretty 101 and I guess that's political now.
Its hard to not talk politics when one side is purposefully forcing their politics into every facet of everyday life.
Yeah, I would be glad to let politics mostly alone (aside from researching candidates for my own use - civic duty). But politics won't leave me alone,
First They Came For The Jews / Martin Niemöller
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
There is no such thing as bad publicity. :)
I think the problem they hate about the losing funds is because it goes to that one dig of going woke = going broke.
This has been the reality of AAA gaming since 2014, when Sargon of Akkad became Sargon of Akkad, for better or for worse. I say better because of how he was about to return to CZcams, and how the Lotus Podcast has been able to maintain success and keep Carl Benjamin relevant, and become more humanized since he doesn't have to speak behind the Sargon mask and explain his points without being seen as just an angry gamer neckbeard.
I'd personally love to just be about music, how I've enjoyed composing music since the days I was writing MIDIs on mid - late 90's Twelve-Tone Cakewalk music suite I got with my first MIDI keyboard that I used on an IBM Aptiva 486 that initially ran on Win 3.11 with wavetable, which was later upgraded with SB AWE 64 with soundfont instrument banks and and capable to create your own. Basically the origin of today's modern VSTs and other virtual instruments, and the basic MIDI standards. Moving to Linux, It wasn't any hate for Win-10. which I liked, as being the successor for 7. which was the successor for XP, which I would still be on because that was the most table and long term experience Microsoft ever put out that was great. I think They even know that XP is the best they ever will have, especially if they continue the way they are with what they are doing now. Linux wasn't something I expected to be freedom from that, until I started try out distros and seeing what they have to offer. Currently, I'm between Fedora 40 and Garuda, both of which I run Hyprland on. Fedora is, next to Debian, one of the best long term distros while Garuda is a fun, current of the cutting edge of Arch. It's how I learned about Pipewire, Hyprland, and Wayland - two of which impact the actual multimedia aspects of how things like MuseScore, Ardour, Audacity, GNU, OpenShot, and other apps I need for my workflow.
While I love the decentralization of much of the Linux distros, there is indeed a problem that only Bryan Lunduke is saying something about it. I don't live in Portland, But I do live in WA state, and as much as I believe it is necessary to pay attention to local government, 2020 showed that there's a problem there too. Microsoft basically owns my state, even now buying up farmland (and votes) in counties that are, or used to be red counties. There still are a lot of counties red, and fairly independent, and really, everything county that's not in the Seattle-Tacoma, Puget Sound area, heck, even a few counties in that area would love to break away because Seattle politics defines far too much of the politics of the rest of WA. There's similar parts of Oregon that would like to defect from Portland, just like Northern CA would love to be detached from Southern CA, and some of Southern CA misses when they were much more rural and conservative. TX may still be fairly red, but it's growing more purple. Titus is lucky to be living in a red state where he can be middle of the road centrist and not have to face a bloated, corrupt Dem controlled state governing juggernaut that is backed by some of the largest tech, music, and entertainment corporations in the country, if not much of the world. Talk about local? I've been local to my area for a long time, with my education being from Washington State University in Pullman, WA, That's about as far east and rural local college town WA as you can get up here in the Northwest, and heck, I went even farther with taking a few classes offered from University of Idaho in Moscow Idaho. I'm sure HRC would like to claim me as a Russian spy for that one. 😏
And yes, out of college, I wanted to be more centrist, and still believe that both the left and the right are problematic. Yet they are pretty much all we got to work with, considering you get the anarchist side of libertarian, regardless if they are left or right, But, yet again, Carl Benjamin is a UK Centrist, and yet the Labor party is pretty close to where the DNC is on things, and even the Tories are more or less RINOs, with maybe a few with any backbone, but most just go along to get along with Labor. That's a trend we have in much of the West, on both sides of the pond, throughout UK, Europe, Canada, and the US. South America is in its own world of hurt with both the the illegal drug cartels and corrupt politicians that make out politics seem pretty mild in comparison. But much of the West is from the world stage down to the mayor is major trouble. On every level, it's backed by the corporations that back the major parties, and may have certain channels going through less legitimate ways to make change. Sure, we have a lot of channels on TV, and the internet has held a lot of open space, but the people that control it from the world stage down to the local level are held by a handful of media moguls. These moguls are either big tech, or owned by big tech, or otherwise are influenced by big tech. Ironically, it's the left that I first learned about why not to trust big corporations, even while it's the left that currently is benefiting from big corporations, as well as big governement, who might as well be one and the same, the way things are going.
Again, I'd rather be composing music, learning more about how MIDI and other aspects of AV work on Linux, and how to more effectively utilize social media to market and stream my music. Carl Benjamin just wanted to play video games, Bryan Lunduke would rather geek out on tech, and I'd like to just enjoy the geeking out between both Lunduke and Titus, especially on what distros and apps they might think are great for AV type things, and how to make the greatest laptop AV streaming studio ever. But no, the things we love are being used against us. And indeed, there is nothing more local and personal to a geek than their computer. Add to that people who are discriminating certain values, principles, religion, or politics, claiming I ought to be banned and treated as the monster they clam me to be. As a US citizen, that believes in the Constitution, there is something really wrong here. Conservatives get it, and have been warning about this sort of culture shift for a lot longer than any of us, back when it made sense to call the corporate enterprises more or less right wing capitalists. Right now, it's ridiculous to call these companies capitalists, especially after selling themselves out to China. And it shows when they show greater respect to China, and then back in the states, they keep fueling the culture war, and try to ramp it up even further, even to the point where you don't think they even care about going woke and making their company lose money and open themselves to lawsuits and boycotts, or people just tired of the BS, and grow wary of giving their money to companies that hold outright animosity and hatred for them.
Again, I'd love to go back to enjoying tech and making music, etc. But, sometimes you have to say enough is enough. Otherwise, they will just plough right over you and try to bully you into submission.
Yea, I'd love to mostly leave politics alone. But politics won't leave me or many innocents alone.
@@digitalnomad9985 - politics isn't inherently evil, but it's been quite a while since we've had relatively healthy politics, like mayors promising to get the potholes filled and fix the streets, or District Attorneys and police commissioners promising to take care of crime and prosecute criminals, etc. The notion of an honest, respectable politician is an oxymoron these days.
41:55 they had a problem with the lunduke.. lol..
I know why.. someone said a lot of truth with regards to portland or politics.. thats why.. you are not towing "the message" ...
haha , love this! 2 amazing humans!
"The frogs are gay!" 🤣
this is interesting. Yesterday portalled from Chris Channel, then same moment, u guys hang up together eh? haha
@Brian Lunduke, you or we can cry until the sea rises since you are no longer invited to conferences. The solution is simple. Since those who organize these conferences are biases, left leaning, censor driven, etc. do your OWN conferences, invite likeminded people and maybe you'll discover that you are not the only one, maybe you will create wings for others to speak out and create a better community than the other communities which are more or less direct controlled by these corporations you speak against.
We can ill afford a media landscape that has no right wing voices in it. The computer media landscape needs the voice of Lunduke, and also a gang of ten. Can we get ESR to be loud again?
i won't do it because you know why is an understandable stance, but still very sad. malicious people can easily shit on lunduke because his is literally the only guy doing this, so he's easily discarded under some false pretenses like he's conspiracist or just crazy. however if the coverage was wider and from more mainstream sources people doing it would get less shit over it, the more it is discussed, the easier it gets.
Why cover it, Chris? Because *the truth matters*.
29:37 - You got a lot of negative comments _because_ the piece was stinky. You attacked Lunduke for something he didn't deserve to be attacked for. You're trying to do a "both-sidesism" here, and it's not what's going on.
42:34 - If you want that, acknowledge his point, and next time you make a video about him, don't paint him as a crazy person. You have to show courage Chris. You know what's true. Making sure that someone's political leanings don't automatically completely disqualify them from any kind of public appearance starts with you and your courage.
Love these guys
Lunduke... Is the shaman attacking you...? Let's hope she doesn't have voodoo dolls. No offense but those are scary.
Maybe the solution to your situation is organizational? Tags, or perhaps a mark in the title to suggest a video is mostly political, or tech directly.
Being the Alex jones of Linux isn’t a bad thing. He’s been right faaar more often than not