Voters REJECT Royals & Chiefs Stadium tax: KC Sports in question
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - The future of the Royals and Chiefs in Kansas City was thrown into question Tuesday night when residents of Jackson County, Missouri, resoundingly voted down a sales tax measure that would helped to fund a new downtown ballpark along with major renovations to Arrowhead Stadium.
Royals owner John Sherman and Chiefs president Mark Donovan acknowledged long before the final tally that the initiative would fail. More than 58% of voters ultimately rejected the plan, which would have replaced an existing three-eighths of a cent sales tax that has been paying for the upkeep of Truman Sports Complex - the home for more than 50 years to Kauffman and Arrowhead Stadiums - with a similar tax that would have been in place for the next 40 years.
Original reporting: apnews.com/article/chiefs-roy...
The Royals, who had pledged at least $1 billion from ownership for their project, wanted to use their share of the tax revenue to help fund a $2 billion-plus ballpark district. The Super Bowl champion Chiefs, who had committed $300 million in private money, would have used their share as part of an $800 million overhaul of Arrowhead Stadium.
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any update on the SOS petition signatures?
thats the only hope to take the $ away from fisher
Good video. I’ve dug into the local issues in this & it appears to be a combination of ppl against subsiding but the real opposition was the arrogance of the Royals & to a lesser extent the Chiefs of holding the election before they’ve signed a lease & other agreements required. It was premature to put this on the ballot with $200 million still owed from the previous projects. There’s some good articles out there including the need to sign a community benefits agreement. In other words this isn’t just ppl against subsidizing sports teams, it’s about the Royals making veiled threats instead of signing a long term lease. Honestly, any local govt who’d approve this deal before agreements are signed that limit the govt amount of money towards the projects & doesn’t have a signed long term lease should be illegal. The Royals CEO’s wife just made a mother threat that’s really over the top. Seriously if you look into this, you might decide to report that this was about sports teams, trying to push it down the throats of people instead of just signing agreements that would’ve most likely got the referendum passed by voters. Frank White is the county executive with whom the Royals are feuding & he used to play for the Royals!!! it’s really a heck of a story down on the local level
Congrats to Jackson County voters for not subsidizing a billionaire. The corporate arrogance is disgusting.
I hope this sentiment catches traction and more people realize that subsidizing these billionaires does nothing positive for anyone besides the owners and politicians. The scary thing is that every team that doesn't get funded can point to Oakland and say, "If you don't fund us we'll pack up and leave"
@@chuckthebucket8461Sonics fan here, they definitely do that
I’ve dug into the local issues in this & it appears to be a combination of ppl against subsiding but the real opposition was the arrogance of the Royals & to a lesser extent the Chiefs of holding the election before they’ve signed a lease & other agreements required. It was premature to put this on the ballot with $200 million still owed from the previous projects.
I hope the chiefs move to another city .....the Honolulu chiefs ..it's time for the islands to get a pro team
@@tylerswift2802 The Minnesota Vikings did the same thing. They couldn't get a tax passed by vote so the owner told the state government to get public money for a stadium or he would move the team, and he got the money.
A vote against corporate welfare
I’d also like a vote to end welfare in general.
Doesn’t make sense bc the city owns the stadium. That’s like your landlord telling you to renovate your home when you don’t own it
@maddrone7814 that's why teams do contracts for venues that city/county/state owns so they dont have any direct ownership. Force the the local government to fix or replace, or just down right move. The local government owns the stadium/land but they dont get a dime of profits from the stadium. It all goes to the teams.
You keep voting for Trump there! Corporate welfare!
Then all those homeless seniors can move to your house! Conservatives vote for corporate welfare each election! Queen Trump!@@conservativeeducator5457
Every other city should follow suit and refuse to fund these stadiums.
no, unlike yall i don’t enjoy seeing my team play in a dump
I’ve watched games at both arrowhead and Kauffman. Both are fantastic experiences and FAR from a dump. This isn’t about necessity, it’s about greed.@@youwereprettylasttimeisawy1227
But they WON'T! XFL coming here! UGLY! Cardinals AAA coming here!
@@youwereprettylasttimeisawy1227 So why don't the billionaire owners pay for a stadium that isn't a dump? They profit off the team, the tax-payers don't.
I agree with all you guys the owners should defenetly pay more for the bill than us tax payers that are already being used by are own government
Congratulations on your vote, Jackson County. These votes are very telling...
It's what would happen in Vegas, too, if voters are given the chance.
The Chiefs are a dynasty coming off back-to-back Super Bowl wins and the voters still rejected it. Speaks volumes.
Time for billionaires to start funding their own teams. They don't share their profits with taxpayers, but try to hold them hostage over a stadium? Vegas is taken, where are they going to go?
Go to London or somewhere in the ocean. Who cares
Montreal Royals, Austin Chiefs…There are always city leaders willing to spend their taxpayers’ money for baubles.
@@curtiseverett6044 Let them have it then, idiots putting greedy billionaires in front of their peple's well being
Charlotte, Raleigh, Nashville, Orlando, Austin, Salt Lake City, Montreal, Portland, San Antonio?
Hell. The Royals can go to Hell. Thats where shitty teams go.
People are having trouble putting food on the table right now, good luck asking them to fund a couple of billion dollar stadiums.
… for billionaire owners who could easily pay the renovations out of pocket.
Not ‘easily’. Billionaire doesn’t mean they have a billion dollars at their disposal. Hope that half cent back in your pocket helps put food on the table…in 2031.
@@jasonstaroscik1627if they don't have the money then don't build a new stadium?
@@BirdLives7 exactly
No one is having trouble putting food on the table. Unemployment is 3.6%. If you can't put food on the table with a job, you have a spending and prioritization problem.
What it comes down to is, billionaires asking the public to pay for their homes.
Great! Add another city to the list that won’t fund these billionaires.
Damn right we won’t
The billionaire owners can pay for new stadiums and stadium upgrades.
Smart move KC voters. Didn't they just give Mahomes a $500 million dollar contract? Then pay for YOUR stadium!
Patrick Mahomes has a small ownership in the Royals. The fans need to tell Patrick the Royals stay at Kauffman! It’s still a nice stadium!!
It’s about time the fans start saying NO to these rich idiot owners who care nothing about fans it’s all about💰💰💰
Maybe, just maybe people are tired of funding billionaires. With a B. New era. People Stand Up!
The county would have been funding its own its own stadium that it would have leased to the teams. That's far different than just giving billionaires money.
@@josephhanes6402 Yes, it is WORSE!
The city has to pay for everything then----the repairs, renovations, insurance, cleaning etc...
@@fractally Exactly, and there was no new lease agreement either!
@@fractally the county still makes a profit after all that so I'm not sure what your point is
@@brosifstalin415 yeah man, they would have totally done a multi billion dollar deal with no lease agreement glad you caught that
Glad to see it! Cities should not fund pro sports. If these teams want tax money, they should sell part of the team to these municipalities.
That's what I was thinking. It will also keep teams from relocating.
Imo, the citizens of KC called the owners' bluff on moving. They're not going anywhere.
Really because St Louis just put a billion dollar offer on the table
If they voted yes the value of the chiefs would probably go up at least $1B, the Royals maybe another $500M. Crazy to make the public pay for projects and the wealthiest 0.00001% get all the benefits. Seriously, these greedy owners need to kick rocks. Due to inflation the American public is suffering overall.
In Jackson county the last couple of years our property taxes have more than doubled. Not to mention the inflation rate the last few years. People need some relief from that. The proposed new stadium at the crossroads is a ridiculous location. Downtown traffic is bad enough as is. Add traffic for a baseball game and it becomes a nightmare. The Royals do not seem committed to putting a competent product on then field. Going back to the 1985 World Series the majority of the time they can’t win half their games until 2014 and 2015. And since then back to their losing ways. Ticket prices have gone up so much the average person can’t afford to attend. Owners making billions and plays make more than 2 million per game. Hard to prioritize their wants over our needs. We love the Chiefs and Royals, but come on.
It’s time they both move from Jackson county
Baseball belongs Downtown. Period. If traffic is your concern, it's not a legitimate one.
I can't imagine the Chiefs leaving Kansas City. Winning three titles in 5 years in the same market. I don't think the NFL would want Kansas City to leave.
$$$ talks
NFL are already exploring possibilities, it's in their long term business plan.
Good for the voters , let the teams pay for it
And if they leave who cares.
Nfl didn’t want Raiders leaving Oakland in 1982 and that happened! The owners are the problem in sports not fans or players
Bravo, Jackson County!!! If these billionaires want a new stadium, MAKE THEM PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES!!!!!!
You can win Super Bowls, but teams must still pay their fair share of a new stadium instead of ripping off the citizens.
Get Taylor Swift to pay for it.
Bravo for KC! Billionaires banking on taxpayers paying for "entertainment" districts for the well-to-do... while displacing longtime residents and declaring the district's proceeds as non-sports related revenue. You can't make this up.
KC has other chickens to grill such as building schools, new houses
Kansas City Metro is a big conglomerate of counties and it's not fair for one to be the sole corporate welfare contributor when affluent people already skip state taxes and move to the Kansas side Johnson County or just North Kansas, City Clay County Missouri. Those teams aren't moving. Enough with public funds for championship revenue teams.
Good for KC
Basically the voters are telling the Royals and Chiefs to not let the door hit them on the way out.
That's Kansas and Missouri's problem. Maybe they can move to Oakland.
@@reesejabs1895only Missouri, both stadiums are well into Missouri and Kansas has absolutely nothing to do with Kansas City.
@@reesejabs1895 Why would it be Kansas’ problem?😂😂. Learn your geography
@@KevinQ25corporate throatbois aren’t smart enough to know geography.
No, they weren't. The voters were saying don't build a new stadium downtown - it's a wasteful use of money.
Nobody wants to pay for Billionaires with a hand out.
Trust me the politicians will find a way to get it done. Referendums failed in Minnesota multiple times for the Vikings and twins and they still eventually got new stadiums.
Then those politicians will be VOTED out. Bye
@@DMallthewayUnfortunately not, they all take their campqign donations from the same special interests and corps
At least the stadium for the Vikings is useable year round and open to the public. US Bank Stadium is convertable to baseball even being a "football" only venue so they can host high school and college baseball games when the MN weather is unsuitable to baseball in February and March. They also regularly open the concourse as an indoor walking track.
@@reverend_wintondupree You be ya they will, people’s voices are heard.
I’m from KC. I think the biggest reason this didn’t pass was that the PR has been a disaster from day one. There has been no clear plan for how the tax dollars will be used, despite what the ballot says. Plus, the location the Royals chose would disrupt a huge amount of businesses in an important district of the city. Then you have comments like the one you showed about ownerships talking about leaving KC. Many people feel very betrayed by these organizations. Everyone I’ve talked to who voted no love the chiefs and royals but hate that they have been essentially threatened with leaving and are being asked to foot the bill for the new stadium and the chiefs renovations.
I think there is a chance for this tax to come back on a future ballot, but if the chiefs and royals want it to pass, they need to do better in how they communicate and talk to the fans.
Royals need to come back with a different site. For months it was the East Village site which is a bunch of parking lots.
@@poemarnan5498 that’s true. But I think I heard they stopped considering the East village because of all the humanitarian activities out there, which would have been a worse PR move to displace a bunch of people there.
They threaten to leave every time their taxpayer subsidized paid slush fund is about to expire. It happens every time. They'll bring it back around asking for their handout before the current one expires.
^^^ this!! Couldn't agree more
Let them go. He could NEVER get a better fanbase. Screw both the Royals and the Chiefs.
We saw the renderings for the Arrowhead renovations, how do new scoreboards and landscaping a parking lot cost $800 million? And Kauffman stadium is still a very good baseball stadium, absolutely no need to fleece the public for these completely frivolous plans
It’s the taxpayers money so they will spend lavishly on something the average fan is not interested in.
Kauffman is 50+ years old, too costly to bring up to code, IN THE WRONG PART OF TOWN, difficult to get into and out of, and it's out of reasonable walking range from other businesses - the closest of which is a Taco Bell. The location is ideal for football, but baseball needs to be Downtown. Shame on these voters who said "no." Now we risk becoming another Oakland.
@@skidawg22So what if the Royals move? Let the Royals owners pay for this and not the taxpayers.
@@joedimaggio3687 Maybe the Chiefs won’t move but the Royals will likely move to another city. Salt Lake City has approved at least $900 million to help build an MLB stadium.
@Dept246 Salt Lake City is incredibly stupid to offer the Royals nearly a billion dollars to play there.
'Its actually BETTER' for the county...the arrogance pfft. Itd be better to not pay the tax at all, or if it went to, i dont know, schools and roads or how about bridges hmm, maybe lets let the billionaires do like the rest of us and pay for their toys.
These mega rich sports franchises paying hundreds of millions in player salaries, charging obscene prices for tickets and concessions, then they dare threaten to leave their historically rabidly supportive fan base, most of which cannot even afford to go to games. The amount of contempt I have for these owners cannot be measured. They get rich off the backs of the fans, but it’s never enough.
Now you understand how Capitalism works
@@luketrout3781 That’s NOT capitalism. You don’t need new taxes to subsidize businesses.
@@luketrout3781 capitalism in sports only works as long as you have dumb fkn gullible fans who don't know better to vote for this shit. most fans aren't gullible fools.
Time to move to another city. Salt Lake City Royals sounds good.
@@luketrout3781How is public subsidies/funding considered capitalism? The term you're looking for is cronyism or crony capitalism.
A survey this morning showed 82% of us who voted no would support the tax IF there was no move to downtown. You are nuts if you think it was anything else. Oh, yeah, there was a HUGE tax increase in Jackson county, and have been treated very badly by the County. And I want to see who is willing to put up a BILLION dollars for a losing team. Crickets.
why is everybody so scared of downtown?
@@kc2dc44423 people shot at the parade? Gangs, homeless?
murder capitol of Mo, NO PARKING. NO ROOM. We already have a nice stadium. My home is over 100 years old, but I don't tear it down, I repair what needs to be repaired. It was NOT about the Chiefs, it was about the move. Everyone would have voted to keep the tax if the move wasn't involved. The Power and Light loses money when we were promised it would pay for itself. If Sherman would pay his players more, it would mean a little more too.
@@kc2dc444 Not scared of downtown----we want to PROTECT downtown. Obviously, you don't live there.
Put the stadium in YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD if you are so keen on it.
@@fractally protect downtown from what? People on the sidewalks? Buildings replacing parking lots? Do people in KC ever get out? Downtown KC is not a vibrant lively place. Not at all. It has tiny pockets that can be vibrant at times, but by far and large, it's one of the most empty and most dead downtowns in the country. And that's from somebody that loves KCMO.
As a non Kansas City fan I thought their stadium looked great, owner should foot the bill to fix.
In Pittsburgh in the 1990's we voted No on Taxper funding for new stadiums....We ended up with New Stadiums largely funded with Taxpayer Money.
I'm convinced that one of the reasons MLB voted unanimously to let the A's move is that it put pressure on communities like KC to cough up public funds in situations like this. Good on Jackson County voters for rejecting the shakedown operation.
Good point. It also gives owner more leverage to move the team if they don't get the funding.
The thing is
People were not angry about keeping a sales tax. They were not necessarily angry about a new stadium. They were angry about the shadow process and writing a blank check. They were angry about the proposed cite that was changed at the last minute from land already owned by the Royals to one that relied heavily on eminent domain
Jackson County owns those stadiums.
I live in kc. The whole plan was super rushed, not communicated, and shady and full of threats. This isnt a no to paying for the stadiumsz its a no to their original plan
Nope. Make them pay.
The hunt family aint renovated the training room in 20 years ....all this money he been collecting and pocketing
Yup
Aww poor billionaires, actually spending/ investing your own money into your facilities, what a concept
I love my sports teams. It doesn’t matter what the sport is… I love all of them and cumulatively. I spend more hours watching those sports teams than I do most other activities. That being said, these teams are owned by billionaire owners, and have sponsorships from billion and trillion dollar valuation companies. it should not be the burden of the little man to fund these projects.
That downtown stadium was the kiss of death for this proposal. The disruption for existing business garnered a lot of sympathy for a No vote.
Bringing a major sports venue downtown would boost business. Businesses make bank off of being close to sports venues because they become attractive gathering places for fans before and after games.
@@gabetalks9275 Perhaps. All I can tell you is that the business owners in the area of the proposed ball park are and were opposed.They had a lot of support, hence the overwhelming "no" vote.
The sole reason that sports team owners look for as much public subsidies as possible is because the simple fact is that a stadium independent of the team that plays in it is not worth the cost to construct. The value of a stadium with no team playing in it is the land value less demolition costs, which inherently means that building a stadium is not the highest and best use of that real estate. If a stadium had inherent value into itself independent of the team value, then it would be an asset any owner would build for themselves. No owner of any sports team ever asks for a public subsidy to buy a team or any other assets they own because those assets appreciate in value and they want that value increase for themselves and there is nothing wrong with that proposition. But the fact that owners seek a public subsidy for stadium construction means that a stadium is not a proposition that has the potential for appreciation in value. The fact that the Chiefs planned to demolish Kaufman Stadium speaks directly to how stadiums have no inherent value outside of the team that plays in it. If a city or county built a stadium for a team and the team paid annual guaranteed rent in an amount sufficient to provide a market rate of return on the cost to build that stadium, then that could be viewed as an investment by that city/county for which they are receiving a market rate of return on their investment in building a stadium, but that is never the case that a team pays rent anywhere near enough to provide a market rate of return on the amount of money used to build the stadium. So, team owners seek to stick the taxpayers with a depreciating assets that they use fir the benefit of the asset they own and reap all the benefit of increases in value of their team.
The tide is turning as cities are more and more rejecting the idea of subsidizing construction or significant renovation of stadiums and are not afraid of threats to move teams to another city because residents in any new city are noy going to like paying for a stadium any more than residents of current team cities like such a proposition. Even if teams do relocate, that tactic has a limited life and then that threat no longer works. As the KC vite demonstrates, the voters/taxpayers are way ahead of the curve in swatting down propodals for public funding of stadiums, which is why these deals are attempted to get approved behind closed doors without a public vote because all parties know a public vote will result in a “No” for public funding.
Very interesting, but I wonder how much it affect things if instead of building Rolls Royce facilities, they built Chevies…
As someone who lives in Jackson County, i can say it's not entirely about the tax. Some are not happy with the location chosen for the Royals stadium, saying it will punish the businesses on that site and they don't deserve that. Not sure that was a bigger issue than the tax itself, but it was an issue.
good points
i am not saying it was right, but the reason St. Louis was able to move so quickly to prepare for building a new outdoor riverfront stadium for the St. Louis Rams once backed in to a corner by Stan Kronek threatening to move to L.A. was by having a local judge state a public approval tax vote was not needed for the proposed way to tax based upon hotel spending and other means not necessarily to tax all the public. Of course, Stan Kroenke had no interest in staying in St. Louis anyway and had already bought the land needed for SOFI years prior. St. Louis learned the hard way about public funding for stadiums.
First the Bidwells, then Kroenke. St. Louis can’t get a break on owners…
Well, the owners of Enterprise and others did all privately fund the new soccer stadium for its new team last year. Even with the good but more limited soccer base in STL only private funding of a new stadium would have worked for that team. Bill Bidwell and the Cardinals is interesting from reading Greg Marecek's Big Red History book I bought. Per him Bidwell wanted to stay in St. Louis but he blamed a conflict between St. Louis city and St. Louis county on stadium location so there was no new stadium. He thought Phoenix would right away help fund a new stadium but it took 18 years so they first placed at Arizona State. You are right though that an owner committed to your region is necessary. @@curtiseverett6044
They got $700 million from the NFL complaining that they didn't get a fair shake.
The lawyer team explained the easy part was finding the NFL guilty of not following their loosely wrtten relocation by-laws to protect small market cities. The difficult part they said was determning a fair settlement amount so accepted the settlement reached out of court. The NFL Relocation committee did recommend the Rams stay in STL and the initial owner vote was strongly in favor of STL. It was only when Kroenke signed his indemnifcation agreement to compensate NFL owners in the event of any STL lawsuits that the votes swung. I think a better resolution would have been awarding STL an expansion team allowing Kroenke to move to L.A. like he wanted. I think owners would have been found but by not doing so instead went to the new soccer team where its new stadium was privately funded. @@HHSGDFootballJPD
I know that a lot of people in KC do not like Mark Donovan according to people I know there. They blame him for a lot of stuff that, in their opinion, is not fan friendly including the not-very-popular GEHA Field sponsorship which people hate with a passion. It would not surprise me that his arrogant interview (their words, not mine) was not received well.
My mother lives in Jackson County, MO. She indicated she would vote no. I will say that paying over 9% sales tax in some areas of Jackson County is crazy. It breaks down like this for Independence which is really close to TSC. Way too high
MO State Sales Tax - 4.23%
Jackson Cty Sales Tax - 1.38%
Independence City Sales Tax - 2.63%
"Special Tax" - 1.13%
Total - 9.35%
This should be a burning bush moment for ALL of professional sports. If a sports-crazed city with successful teams like KCMO call your bluff, what do you think is going to happen in Milwaukee? Anaheim? Tampa? Or Chicago? You and your teams need to start doing something you should have done 40 years ago - figure out a creative way to finance and design/build stadia on your own. Extorting the public no longer works. Especially you, Baseball. What market is going to have the population, corporate presence, and per capita wealth to support a team for 82 home games a year? You're already having backlash and attendance problems in markets over 4 million. How many more ya got?...Didn't expect this result, but as someone who calls San Diego home, I get it. I really do...
International cities like London & Mexico City.
Californians decided decades ago that they weren't down with funding stadiums, however voters in cities that have never had MLB may be more willing to support funding to attract a franchise. Cities that lack Major League Baseball that already support an NFL franchise (Charlotte, Nashville, Indianapolis), could be interested. Salt Lake CIty's proposed _Power District_ is perhaps the most expedient possibility.
Unfortunately there are large cities looking for teams… and are still willing to use tax dollars. Vegas is tearing down an old iconic hotel to build a new stadium for a baseball team. Vegas Royals?
@@oubrioko It's one thing to support an NFL team with 9 to 11 home games a year. It's another to support basketball and hockey with 41 to 45. Now throw in a struggling MLB team with 82 home games. It's not the same math at all. Charlotte, Nashville, and Indianapolis are all low desnity, highly suburbanized cities - and both Charlotte and Nashville have horrible traffic problems and relatively high costs of living relative to the local prevailing wage. The question would be, if somebody would build them a downtown stadium, can they draw enough from the urban core to support the team long-term? Suburbanites will not spend an extra two hours in the car or pay $30 parking to go see a losing team. Salt Lake, on the surface of it, would be a fantastic market for baseball - lots of families with minivans full of kids, decent disposible income, and strong identity. But SLC is even worse in terms of sprawl and travel distance than the other three...
@@Readytore Make no mistake. Kansas City is the canary in the coal mine. MLB and the other pro leagues had better pay attention. And yes, you are correct. There are desperate cities lining up with cash to be bridesmaids at the MLB Ball, to field a mediocre to awful team, with half the payroll, and a fraction of the success, TV revenue, marketing power, and merch sales of the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Cardinals, Giants, etc. Can you put a team in Salt Lake, Indy, or Music City? Sure, you can! Will it survive long term? Not without a lot more MLB Welfare. MLB is too structurally effed up to support ANY small or medium market teams long-term...
This would be a nutty option, but what if the Royals move to Oakland? Now that would be full circle. 😉
I don’t want another team though. Hope KC keeps their teams without giving it public money.
@@P31BThese greedy owners will find some government to get a free handout.
Déjà vu
Salt Lake City wants a baseball team
MLB is done with Oakland.
The KC Chiefs owner is worth 24.6 billion, pay for it yourself or leave you grifter.
As a Kansas City resident this is all about the Royals downtown stadium pitch. Almost everyone was against it. The Royals were merely trying to ride the coat tails of the Chiefs receint success. The Royals just arnt as popular as the Chiefs and them thinking they should get a brand new stadium is ridiculous given the their lack of success. I feel like the Chiefs could get whatever they wanted if they made a pitch on their own and not attached at the hip with the Royals.
The Royals need to be Downtown and were publicly talking about this for over a year.
I wanna start off by saying this: I don’t want the Chiefs and the Royals to leave Kansas City. And I’m not even from K.C. Even before the Chiefs entered their current Dynasty Era (starring Patrick Mahomes), the Chiefs always had one of the NFL’s best fan bases, standing by their team through thick and thin. The Royals’ history is somewhat less decorated, but at least they won the World Series twice (1985 & 2015). Relocation of sports teams always hurts, yes. But THIS? The Chiefs and Royals leaving K.C. would be a mighty big betrayal.
glad the people are not stupid
First off the Chiefs wouldn't be able to do anything unless the royals moved out,secondly if the Chiefs do move it'll just be to the state of Kansas which has a better option to put a new stadium they already have an entertainment district ready to go along with a casino, hotels and a racetrack all in the same area. The mistake was putting the royals and Chiefs together on this.
A lot of it was the Royals springing the Crossroads district being the place they planned to build their stadium. That's the arts district here and triggered a huge backlash.
I'm a huge sports fan. I even live in Missouri. But! They are private BUSINESSES! They bring in BILLIONS of DOLLARS! How much is it to take a family of four to a Chiefs game? We pay a ton of money to watch our players hook up with billionaire pop stars. It is insulting that they would want to TAX us working stiffs for having a sports team in our town.
You could perhaps make good arguments for why this was a good idea, and in a different time, the people might have agreed but we've reached a point where the public has run out of patience with what they see as subsidizing millionaires and billionaires. Way too many people are struggling just to get by.
One thing my father always told me, and something I learned very early on in my business career - If it was profitable for a business to do something, they'd do it. They'd find a way. They wouldn't wait around for government handouts. It's only when it's a vanity project that they want, but which isn't likely to be profitable, that they go begging to the public.
The current stadiums ... at least Kauffman Stadium ... is among the best and most iconic in baseball. Easy access and beautiful for games ... no need for a new ballpark.
KC stadium is NOT one of the best. It is years behind other newer stadiums. St. Louis was smart, they built a new updated stadium with better seating, better amenities than KC will ever see and it only cost $400,000 million, built in 2006. KC lost out, to build that same today would cost st. louis over 1.3 billion. yep, KC waited too long. Now they will pay for it
Not that all of the points made aren't valid, but ultimately this came down to two things.
1) Jackson county property taxes increased by a criminal level last year and the idea of any more taxes (yes, this is by definition a new tax) is just something that couldn't be supported by voters. If the county wanted this passed, they should have thought of that before raising some people's property tax 150% in just one year
2) despite what the campaign likes to say, this was positioned from the very start as a threat. "don't do what we want and we'll leave". this is not something the people of Jackson county are going to respond to. you wouldn't want to stay in a relationship, personal or otherwise, with that sort of ultimatum. i hope they enjoy Olathe, KS lol
Well done, Jackson County.
Professional sports model completely out of touch and control. Baseball is being ruined by the current owners and the commissioner. Looks like football next. I’ve had a good life and need to let this go. I survived losing my Raiders and now had a year to get used to the idea that my A’s are leaving too.😢
I agree. Read my comments…
I'm dumber for having watched this. There wasn't a clear plan of what they are doing. They are promised money from the state, but there is no indication that there was money coming in from the state. It's had three different locations pitched. They released the second to last final idea a month ago. Then they released the updated version 2 weeks ago changing and keeping a whole different road open. This all looked ridiculously thrown together. It's like a billionaire had a 5th grader with a procrastination problem draw this up. The face of this deal actually got up when the final proposal was made, and said that he wouldn't vote for it. To say that you saw this coming and figured it's a done deal just shows how little you know about it. On opening day the fans flew a huge banner for voting no on it. If you're going to ask people in Missouri to spend $800,000,000 they like to have a good idea of what they are getting.
They tried to do that here in VA. They want to build a new stadium in northern Virginia and were saying it was going to be privately funded. That idea lasted about a month and of course they want tax breaks and tax money to build it now. Screw that crap I'm not paying for a sports team to make more money. If they want to build something they can do it on their own. I need a new house, I don't see the NFL coming to help me out.
They told everyone if they paid for the T Mobil stadium, KC would get an NHL or NBA team. Neither happened. The power and light district downtown is also a tax drain.
Still waiting on that nba team
@@Troubleman504 I’d honestly prefer an NHL team, but an NBA team would probably do better in KC. The T Mobil center could in theory host both.
@@jeffdejaynes7231 with KU down the road NBA makes more sense. But NHL would be cool as well.
@@Troubleman504 I agree. I’d love to see both. I grew up a KU fan. Born in Lawrence, the town revolves around basketball.
@@jeffdejaynes7231 I think you and I are the only one who remember them promising a team.
In the local area, there’s been a bit of reporting about the local benefits that the Royals were supposed to be including in the package to get the public financing and some issues and discrepancies with how much that was supposed to be and who was actually to be in charge of how that money was used. Another aspect that’s been reported on a lot was the impact on the local area, specifically the businesses that would be displaced from the construction of the new stadium. The area has already been on somewhat of an upswing and the question really if an area is really nice and that’s where you want to be, how much of it do you really take away from it by displacing part of what makes it desirable in the first place. I don’t know how much either of these factors played into the vote, but those two aspects have been reported on a lot lately.
I imagine that both teams may begin to explore parallel, but separate paths to public funding, should they desire it still and desire to remain in Jackson County. It’s one thing if both teams were tying their futures specifically to Truman Sports complex, not unlike what we’ve recently seen with Camden Yards complex. But with both teams exploring different areas, they might have to decouple these efforts and pursue them individually.
I’m pretty sure that Kansas officials have been planning for what they’d do in the event of a no-vote. There have been rumblings about both teams exploring possible moves to the Legends area, near the Kansas Motor Speedway. We’ll see how that starts to play out, if anything does, in the upcoming days.
Voters don't want the Royals to move downtown. Don't read anything else into the vote.
The conventional wisdom is that politicians approve public stadium funding because none of them want to be the mayor/governor etc who lost the team, but EVERY time stadium funding goes to the voters as a referendum it gets shot down. Same voters, it's just whether they have someone to blame or not.
As they should! Kaufman Stadium 🏟 is fine for Major League Baseball ⚾️ and the Kansas City Royals!
It's 50+ years old and IN THE WRONG PART OF TOWN!!!
I get it doesn’t host a team, but T-Mobile Center is the 5th busiest arena in the U.S. Hardly “underutilized.”
Failing to attract a NBA or NHL team was a blessing in disguise. Instead of having to dance to the tune of a single tenant, we've benefited from a previously unthinkable wide range of concerts, tournaments, and events attracting an equally wide variety of people to downtown.
No its not. rose colored glasses? You are believing your own propaganda or wishful thinking.
Billionaires need to pay for it themselves. They already get tax funding for the roads and security around the complex. Good job KC!!
With the massive growth of aouthern cities, I wouldn't doubt that we will be seeing some of the teams in the smaller midwestern and northeastern matkets leaving. I am speaking of places like Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, and Kansas City.
Winners will be places like Charlotte, Raleigh, Nashville, Orlando, Austin, Oklahoma City, and San Antonio.
Man as a ex San Diego chargers fan, I feel for you guys. These billionaire owners need to pay for these stadiums and the nfl should step in as well, not us taxpayers. After all these years I still haven’t gotten over the move. Tbh. Haven’t really kept up with football since.
why should I pay tax for their stadium when I get no ticket discount? Have a nice day - use your gambling money cut
to make improvements.
Most people can’t afford to go to a game. Make the billionaires pay their own bills. They are the one’s making millions off of it.
Agreed
it's 230am eastern time here in southern ontario.
@brodiebrazil thank you for breaking the news on this kc stadium situation, and the a's moving to sacramento earlier on tonight!
really appreciated your nhl coverage with espn's greg wyshynski the other day also.
cheers from the car plant in oakville, ontario 🍁
Kansas City will end up 30 mins away in Kansas next to the NASCAR site.
Good review by the Bruiser. Since all taxpayers in KC would continue paying this tax, I think it's appropriate to put it to a citizens' vote and not just push it through city council (much like they did in Tempe with the proposed Coyotes arena). The Royals' comments were much more professional than the Chiefs rep's subtle threat of possibly moving the team if the tax didn't pass. Also, someone tell Gary Bettman that KC will not be building a new NHL arena with public money.
The people of Jackson County, MO are role models for the rest of the country! The ONLY time something like this should ever be considered is when the people themselves have shared ownership of the team (e.g. Green Bay)
Royals stadium location is unpopular. Their plans were far from final. The tax could pass with a better deal for the citizens and with actual plans in writing.
GOOD JOB KC. Way to show the owners that they can't bully a city into paying for a project they can afford themselves. Hope the same justice comes to Fisher in Vegas
Yup, especially with the teachers union so they can get the money they deserve.
Clark County tax-payers should demand a vote on the A's too!
Not happening. Different situation completely.
@@ProBall-7 It is happening, the teachers union is gathering signatures to put in on the ballet and you better believe that’s going to happen.
@@DMalltheway They are not under current court order. It's a fringe union, not the main teacher's union. Last time they tried something similar they were blown out of the water and it will happen again if the court allows them to start signatures. Most unions, businesses, political leaders consider it a non-factor. Overwhelming support from power brokers in LV.
@@ProBall-7 They will gather those signatures to put it on the ballot so corporate lackeys like you will have to hear the citizens put it to a vote.
Smart make the greedy team owners pay!!!!
If you want us to foot the bill for your stadiums how about we the Jackson’s county payers get something out of it? Like free parking or 50% off a game a year or no fees for tickets…SOMETHING!
The thought of either the Chiefs or Royals not calling Kansas City home seems unfathomable. That said, I see Kansas City, *Kansas*, stepping up for the Chiefs and another KC suburb working with the Royals.
The Royals seem more likely to leave and may be on the phone with Nashville or Salt Lake City if no progress is made.
Weird, people are tired of being taxed.
Well we are a tax based country
It's one thing to be taxed for things that are useful for the overall public good. Not for some people who have MORE THEN ENOUGH to build these stadiums on their own.
Jackson County is too poor to have professional-level clubs. Bring them to Wyandotte or Johnson County! They belong in Kansas!
Agree. The tax base in Jackson county is too low
I live in KCMO and I don't consider myself poor.
WyCo is tiny compared to Jackson and Johnson has about the same tax base. What are you talking about?
@kc2dc444 we'll put it right next to the Nascar track. We've got room and money. And a populace willing to use both for our back to back Superbowl winning Chiefs. Missouri sucks. And it doesn't deserve either team.
@@christianoden Take 'em.
We are busy spending money on our citizens, who need help.
Kansas can FINALLY do their share for the metro.
About time.
So they would like the citizens of Jackson County, many who make minimum wage and can't even afford to attend a game, to subsidize the organization owners and players who are millionaires. Sure, that makes sense. lmao!
The thing is they will then complain when either or royals/chiefs move to Kansas
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Who is "they"?
Not the urban core citizens, who were not asked or even notified of the plan to plop the stadium down into the arts district.
The suburban wealthy are the ones who can afford the tickets.
They can afford the tax and they have the land.
Let them pay for a stadium.
Hello San Diego Chiefs and Oakland Royals
Lost by about the same margin as the Vote in Arizona for the Coyotes arena.
Great content as always. Thanks for your perspective, Brodie.
Good for KC🎉!
What taxpayers always have to flip a bill and think about the people that don’t like sports at all or could care less about sports and they get stuck paying taxes on this stuff I think the chickens are coming home to roost I think handouts to billionaires and their little toys are coming to an end it has to it’s not even fair then they always wanna leave. I don’t even know what to say anymore been through this with the Raiders with the A’s ownership is disgusting. There’s people that can’t even afford their rent or buy groceries or medication but they still want to hand outseems unfair to me
If the Chiefs can afford to pay a player 500 million dollars. They can afford to upgrade their own stadium. This goes for all professional teams. They make billions of dollars a year so they can fund their own upgrades.
I agree that the public shouldn't find teams or stadiums. The flip side is that then they have to accept, with a smile, when a teams moves for a better deal from a different city. The voters voted, let's see if they smile if one of the teams moves.
How bout the Royals put some talent on the field and fans in the seat instead of moving downtown
Scare tactics.... these teams won't leave the KC Metro. Maybe they'll threaten a suburb; maybe they'll threaten to go across the river. And if the team does leave, the fans should be angry at the team ownership... for abandoning them. "We just wanted you for your money, you stopped paying so we're going to find someone else."
This story has played out many times. In present times, just look what the CHI Bears are doing... threaten threaten threaten and they'll probably just end up in the same spot. They've been threatening for years.
We're reminded of Macbeth...
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Hi, Brodie. No matter the outcome, I knew I would be interested to hear your opinion. Having watched all of your coverage of the A’s situation, I knew I would want to hear your take on this. You see, I was born and raised in KC and have been a fan since birth, literally. I was born the same time the A’s left and the Royals began. And my family had Chiefs season tickets since before I was born. And we had Royals season tickets for several years as well. I went to games at Municipal Stadium and was raised at the Truman Sports Complex. I am not sure how I feel at this moment. I hope that both teams find a way to make this work. I feel that there is an outcome that will keep both teams in KC. But, there is that little feeling in the back of my mind that scares me. Your words have helped calm me some and I look forward to watching any coverage you may give this in time. You know I appreciate it.
I’ll open any business the tax payers will pay for also. Gtfoh billionaires
If the owners cannot afford to fund their stadium dreams then maybe they are not wealthy enough to own a big time team anymore. People are hurting right now with inflation going crazy and any way they can keep a little more money in their pockets they will do it.
the royals with the '...' is so weird, and it says a lot of where their minds are shifting.
Good on you K C and Jackson County. Take a look at media rights and MLB revenues and player salaries and let them kick in for a new stadium