Comparing costs and discussing the fallout after Kansas City voters reject stadium tax
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- čas přidán 3. 04. 2024
- Charlie Keegan of our sister station KSHB in Kansas City joined 7 Voices to discuss the fallout after Kansas City voters rejected the stadium tax and compare it to the Buffalo Bills stadium deal.
People are getting tired of paying for a rich man's stadium.
The stadium and land does not belong to Clark Hunt .
Especially since the baseball stadium is still very nice.
Voters didn't want this for two reasons:
1) Both franchises can afford to finance it themselves. When you're paying individual players 9 figure sums for contract extensions, you can afford an additional $500 million which is what the Chiefs were asking for. The Royals owner is worth billions, too, and our short stop got a $300 million + contract extension. It's gross to ask the public to fund something when all the return goes to people who are already doing fine.
2) The neighborhood for the new ball park. This is the biggest reason and why turnout for No was so high. It was in a beloved arts district in one of the few walkable parts of the city. They could have gone to East Village half a mile away, which *wanted* the ballpark there. It's just parking lots, vacant buildings, and a bank. They also could have gone North of the Missouri River, a five minute drive from the neighborhood they chose, where it's all flat, unused farmland. People were furious about the location they chose and they showed up to vote against this. They probably would've stayed home if they had picked East Village.
They could have stayed where they were, however, then the businesses in downtown wouldn't have gotten any of that wonderful money that a downtown ballpark would have given them.😢What a shame.
Can we stop with the "destruction" of the crossroads? The area where the stadium would have gone is far from any of the more vibrant parts of the district. A stadium would have enhanced the Crossroads, not destroyed it. The vast majority of the Crossroads is parking lots, barely used buildings etc. The area around the star press is like 10% used. The rest is a huge vacant building and parking lots. Then you have a church which also has a parking lot taking up 80% of a city block.
Downtown KC is never busy or congested and has plenty of parking. A stadium there would liven things up.
@@phillipblender7502most of those businesses would have to leave and are mostly where the proposed site is. There is really nothing else downtown of those go.
@@kc2dc444 Agreed. Well said!
The County owns the stadium. They bear a financial responsibility to the team's just like a landlord foots the repairs of their properties instead of it's tenants. Year's ago, the Hunt family tried to buy the stadium. Jackson county declining those advances was the beginning of the end. Now they'll have two big gravel pits generating 0 tax revenue for the county. Congrats on the people's "big win"! At least they saved the Uhaul building downtown!
Insane to think a stadium can cost $1.7B and not have a roof. 🤷
Here's an idea, let the super-rich build their OWN buildings. If no one builds it then they'll have to pay for it or do without!
If you ever hear an NFL owner say they just wanna do what's best for their fans, hide your wallet.
A 40 year tax where every 10 years the teams extort major costly upgrades and rebuilds in order to stay ‘competitive’ or threaten to leave?
Why should tax payers pay to support this?
Why should I pay to support your kids in school, to pay for your ebt card and other government programs I don’t use? I could list dozens of things I pay for and don’t like!
@@_DB.COOPERmuh democracy!
Because the county OWNS the stadium, not the team. Why should you pay for an airport when the billion dollar airlines use it for profit?
If you want airlines YOU BUILD AN AIRPORT.
Want a pro team? BUILD A DECENT STADIUM.
This is not that hard. How did people become so dumb?
@@mandoreforger6999 Because having people be so dumb is how the government(s) want it. Remember they are charged with the education system.
@@mandoreforger6999 have you seen what they plan to do with the money? It’s all the “fan experience” BS that nobody likes. It’s not going towards “structural integrity” or anything important to safety. Arrowhead is a great stadium and they always sell out. This is just a shakedown by the billionaires trying to get more free money.
I know somebody who has season tickets for the Buffalo bills. He's worried now that he will get priced out of them because the ticket prices will certainly go up. Seat licenses? Concessions? Parking? Gouge, gouge, gouge. That's all it is now. Screwing the fans over and the public who has to pay the taxes even though they have nothing to do with the team. The NGL. Screw that.
Jackson County Missouri (Kansas City) just had the highest personal property tax appeals in the history of the state. In many instances House taxes DOUBLED in a single year. The appeals process was such a mess the courts ruled they were not done according to law, but didn't negate the tax inflation. They said state congress neededbto address it. People living on S.S can't afford to pay 4k instead of 2k a year for their house. Meanwhile Clark Hunt wants them to pay for a new 20 million dollar bathroom in the V.I.P club! (Thats part of what the original tax went to). Mayor Lucas was the biggest cheerleader on this ridiculous proposal, that doesn't even fully fund either teams ideas.
I hope both of them move!
Great job talking to the guy from KC. I wish my local news did that more.
We as VOTERS did NOT expect the Yes votes to be as Many as there were. If Polled, I'd bet that 3/4 of the Yes votes were thinking it was to Keep the Chiefs in KC.... Not Anything about the Royals moving to the Crossroads area.
Yep I was only surprised it was'nt 70/30 instead of 60/40.
Let the KC Superfan Wolf out of Jail. Let him get back to work, and he can pay for it
Chiefsaholic applied for an absentee mail in ballot from prison
His request was denied
The measure didn't pass due to the lack of transparency and planning.... I actually live in the county where the measured failed... Jackson County Missouri. I voted NO. Both owners are billionaires.
Remember the Buffalo Bills are the Only "NY" NFL Team that actually Play in the State of New York.
Kansas voters in the suburbs and sub divisions are not going to use their federal reserve bond to pay for sports stadiums they know what it will do for their tax base.
They won't leave it to the voters after the debacle in Jackson County. It will be legislated and appropriated by elected officials in Topeka and the Unified Government of Wyandotte County and Kansas CIty, Kansas
@@oubrioko, your comment is too logical. Be gone!
@@markb3786, so sorry 😞
With state STAR Bonds at their disposal, they may not even need the voters. Cheers
Chiefs - It was barely a renovation. It was a bunch of quickly thrown together gimmicky stuff. Check the renderings. It’s “fan experience” crap.
Royals - it’s a terrible plan in a terrible location with nowhere near enough parking.
FACTS
For me it was very simple.....
Where the fuck am i supposed to park at the new stadium?
Exactly
OK, this may be a dumb question, but is there a way to put together this package again but open it up to Kansas City residences not just based on the county? It could just be a KC sales tax. Maybe there are laws that prevent that but I'm not sure. I think with more of the city involved it would get the support it needs to keep our teams.
Please take muh money billionaires! Gots to have muh millionaire athletes to worship on Sunday!
@@deangulberry1876 Lol what are you talking about?
@@deangulberry1876 Just say you don’t like sports instead of being an a-hole about it. Are you one that refers to it as sports ball? Probably.
How about a bi-state tax. let others contribute money intended to support their tax base like government reserve bonds.the inner city and poor rural areas depend on this to support their tax base.
Because the money in the county is not in KC. Like most metro area's the majority of wealth resides outside of the city and is in the surrounding areas. So, for it to be a KC only plan the 3/8 cent tax will go to about 3% (I am taking a wild guess). In other words, the KC sales tax would now approach 12%. Not something that would be able to be sold today.
It’s an awful plan. Any $800 million renovation to Arrowhead that does not include a roof that opens or rolls over is a joke. The roof gets you Super Bowls. Also, with only 1 of the 4 local counties voting it’s a joke. As with any greater metropolitan area as large in square miles a KC that is spread over 2 states and 4 local counties MUST create a sports cooperative to make public financing a reality. Since the Chiefs moved to KC from DFW in 1960 most of the money in greater KC has moved to Johnson County, Ks. That’s likely where the team will land - or possibly South Western Wyandotte County out by The Legends. There is no real money left in Jackson County , MO. It’s a joke that only Jackson County would have the tax burden and benefit when most of the money and a higher percentage of fans come from Johnson County, KS.
Mo already did this for the St Louis stadiums and most voters are not sports fans. Chicago, they got money for Bears and Sox 20 or so years ago, they made a mistake with that money and needed another one, and make more mistakes. A lot of the mistakes are expensive boxes and any seat above the boxes are crap, you have seating and potential of that crap seat money if your team goes to the playoffs. I am a sports fan but you want more money, leave, the good places are gone, even in Texas someone loses when you keep adding pro and college games with only so many fans and many only going to a few games a year.
People are tired of paying taxes for businesses to profit from while we are gouged when we buy things for ourselves. Raising taxes when inflation is so high and when we are losing money and they are making money hand over fist need to pay for this themselves.
Kansas City chiefs should move to Kansas that's be more sense to me logical
I rather pay a pro for a reach around.
😳
Looking like L.A. may be getting another NFL team, the L.A. Chiefs.
Come to the Kansas side if anything, but please stay the KC chiefs and royals.
The people in Jackson County/KC probably thought it was a 34-Cent Tax instead of a 3/4-Cent Tax when they Voted.
I voted no for the KC stadiums. Besides not liking the idea of handing our money to billionaires, I think most people like the stadiums we have now. Tear down a perfectly good baseball stadium, with parking galore, and build something similar downtown, with terrible parking - why? On top of that, why doesn't the owner come to us with this proposition after he builds a winning team for God's sake. We were really psyched to fork out a billion dollars for a perennially last place team.
Royals ownership had hoped to surreptitiously ride the coattails of recent success by the Chiefs, and subsequent goodwill of voters/Chiefs fans. The Chiefs don't escape blameless, though. The upgrades they announced received a lukewarm reception at best, but that by itself didn't necessarily turn people off. Donovan has been on this not so subtle, "all options on the table," crusade for the past several years. That certainly didn't help when piled on top of all the Royals indecisive, disjointed, and downright unpopular decision making and terrible public relations
Kind of a slap in the face when they just had a mass shooting at a chiefs gathering to then go ask those same fans for more money to pay for something the team can afford themselves....
I live just north of KC and the people in MO have been footing the bills for both stadiums for more than 50 years. Honestly Arrowhead does need some renovation work, and it has for a long time. But the work that is needed can be funded by Clark Hunt! He is not poor!
Kauffman does not need work, it is a beautiful stadium. Which leads to the fact that Kansas City does NOT need a new MLB park, especially in the downtown area.
People here in MO are sick of financing billionaires and corporate welfare in general. We want both teams to stay but not for the profit of two individuals who already have more money than they can spend in a lifetime.
just move em both to Kansas city Kansas haha
Kansas city is gonna be the next Oakland and lose all its teams 😂😂
The name Chiefs will be gone if they move, also. Lol
Why not a bi-state tax Kansas also enjoy royals stadium and other surrounding counties
Boo hoo. Those poor poor billionaires are going to have to borrow money from banks. Oh the humanity! Oh the sad pathetic life of the billionaire. How can they survive? LOL