Utah approves $900M for MLB stadium, Salt Lake expansion
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HB562 sets up a new Utah Fairpark Area Investment and Restoration District that will help oversee major redevelopment planned for the Fairpark neighborhood and forthcoming Power District in Salt Lake City. It also sets up the framework for state funding of a possible Major League Baseball stadium, in a move that ramps up the state's bid for an expansion team.
HB562 sets up a few things. Once signed, it would create a new investment district this year, including a board that oversees it. The area is slated for major redevelopment with the creation of the Power District, which was boosted earlier this month by the Larry H. Miller Company's announcement that it will invest at least $3.5 billion in the area.
The bill would provide up to $900 million in state funds toward a possible MLB stadium, should Utah land an MLB team by mid-2032. A prospective MLB owner, most likely the Miller Company, would cover the rest of the estimated $1.8 billion project, oversee construction and upkeep, and pay the state a $150,000 per month lease to play in the stadium that the state would own.
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Local Utahn here from the SLC Metro area. I can’t even begin to describe how excited I’d be to get a team here! Happy to see such a strong push!
It would be amazing!
What’s going on in Utah? Lotta spending on sports! Is there an initiative ?
@@the77th Just both the former owner of the Jazz wants to own an MLB team and the current owner of the Jazz going after the NHL. Lot’s of support from both government leaders and the public. It’s looking like it is happening with the NHL and probably won’t find out about MLB for a few years.
@@dsarmy1 gotcha! Good for them!
Holy crap "2032 is 6 years away?!" I must need a new calendar.
🤣🤣🤣 brain fart
I was gonna say that but I'm sure he'll figure it out.
That's 8 years away.
All good. Thought it was funny.
Utah will get NHL first, and then MLB gotta admit better location than anything in Oakland Ca
As a Salt Laker, I’d support this tax even if no stadium and team came. The river and Fairpark are underutilized and this finally gets them to how they always should have been. It’s a no-brainer.
How about that as a name…the Utah Salt Lakers?
@charliem9831 really? I live in LA and why utilize a team name from another city in another sport.
Salt Lake SHAKERS.....UTAH Salt Shakers. You can thank me later.
Baseball isn’t Basketball. Baseball needs territory (Northern California). There is no territory in Utah. There is SLC and that is it. St. George is like 5 hours from SLC. They can throw money,
But the base isn’t there. Why would MLB have two teams in Vegas and SLC five ours apart where there is no development between the two? Plus, MLB talks about diversifying the game and you want to expand to the Whitest city in America. Plus, the social situation in Utah. The teams are in town for 3-4 days and they want to enjoy the night life, past 7 pm.
@@charliem9831 Utah is The Bee Hive State, so the Stingers seems appropriate for a team name...
@@steverkent82 There are a lot of people with money and connections that disagree with you! Your arguments reek of someone who's never even been to SLC.
Now every team in MLB will threaten to move to Utah if their current city doesn’t build a new stadium
Funny you say that. Using Salt Lake as leverage as a threat to move there if they don't get what they want from the city they are in has been going on at least since the 90's. Numerous MLB teams have done it.
I would never, ever get into the water of the Jordan river in SLC. It has been polluted for years. It would need a lot of work to change my mind. Hopefully this project will clean up an area that desperately need its. I own a home in the area. I would love to be walking distance to an MLB Stadium.
If SLC gets a team, and my favorite team once again has respectability...I will personally jump into the Jordan and help you guys clean it up.
If you get the MLB stadium near you, then your home will increase in value significantly. But you'll certainly get more traffic than before.
I think the time table on the bill is because they want this all done and settled before they host the Olympics in 2034.
Regarding the state owning the land and stadium I think this is fine because they have shown how they can continue to upkeep and maintain facilities as Utah is one of the few places where their Olympic venues are still open and operation from 2002.
Regarding SB 272 the legislature has passed the ABILITY to increase general sales tax by .5%. Ryan Smith posted “renderings” of a new DT arena yesterday and most of the comments were about how much of the cost would fall on the public.
It seems like they’re definitely been some conversations that have happened with MLB and the state of Utah. Especially with that 2032 caveat because that’s probably when a new team would happen. Perhaps this could be an Oklahoma City thunder scenario where the athletics play in Salt Lake City for a few years to test the market and the team gets rewarded with an expansion franchise later on. (I know the thunder were the sonic but you get the idea)
Wow…I have to say I’m very impressed with Utah’s desire and sincerity about bringing Major League Baseball to their state. This story really took me by surprise. But Rob Manfred needs to take Utah seriously as a future site for an MLB team. He’d be foolish to say no.
People don’t care about baseball in Utah. Trust me I’ve been there many times and lived there for a short period
The way we will find out if there’s any competition is if MLB balks at the rent Utah proposes.
Too much is going on for me to believe all of this is going to happen, especially since the Olympics will need an arena (and maybe an auxiliary hockey arena), but not really anything else. Since they would theoretically build a ballpark with less capacity than Rice-Eccles, and since Rice-Eccles has hosted Olympic Ceremonies and has had substantial improvements in just the last few years, why move that?
@@brandonneumann5294 You sound like the vinyl records I used to listen to when I was younger. They had skips in them and kept repeating the same lines over and over!
I think SLC and Nash will get teams
Now do downtown SLC with nhl team!
I could see baseball working well in Salt Lake, and I can understand the Utah name vs Salt Lake. They have a plan together, renderings ready to go, and Salt Lake in the summer is beautiful so I'm sure they can pack the place. This would be pretty cool if they can get the deal done and MLB gives them a team.
People don’t care about baseball in Utah. Trust me I’ve been there many times and lived there for a short period
@@brandonneumann5294not true. People in utah do show up for baseball, triple a is not the same as the majors. Utah supports the bees well, but obviously travel for mlb
yea i dunno, i live in Utah and Id go to a game or two. Id definitely go when they host my Cubbies!
Yea its an outdoor state... but we sell out Jazz games every night. We're bored! Plus the Jazz are tanking god damnit. We'd like to have another option for a thing to do!
@@danr154 since you're there, is there any local interest in NFL football, or just college? Could Salt Lake support an NFL team?
@@BrandanTheBroker Can't do NFL without a stadium. I haven't seen or heard anywhere any group proposing to build an NFL stadium in SLC.
Someone's math is wrong. 2032 is not 6 years away. It's 8 years away
This would be such a fun place to go hang out during the summer. Need this to happen ASAP🤞
I remember in 2007 when people in Salt Lake were absolutely losing their minds when Real Salt Lake wanted to use this same hotel tax to fund $35 million for Rio Tinto Stadium.
SLC is gonna be the new booming sports town in America. They’re gonna have an MLB and NHL team and will host the 2034 Olympics. Good for them!
They’re not getting an mlb team. Rob Manfred won’t approve. People don’t care about baseball in Utah.
From the bridge that's what it looks like. But the river is hyped up unless they pump more water into it.
Fisher sells the A's! Can't believe SLC doesn't have an NHL team. Perhaps the Coyotes?
Maybe they should start collecting money not only to cover the initial construction but to also build up a kitty si in 2062 when the stadium is 30 years old and the team is demanding renovations, the money will be available within relocation threats.
Is Iran starting an expansion team? I’m still wondering why else we would send them billions of dollars. But Utah has to pay for their own team?
North Carolina has gotta get their act together to get as good a bid as they have going.
If 900MM of the 1.8B is approved from public, Fisher could sell half to LHM group and only have to come up with 450MM
This is what I was saying about expansion, and the idea that the time table could take a while, won't happen till 2030 now or later. There's competition with it, and why Yeager was right. It will be driven up, the price by that. It will cost Nevada and LV more in public funds as he pointed out. And there is not guarantee. With A's, it's 380 M and get A's now. Get MLB now. So now for the idea that Oak will get guaranteed expansion as one of the demands to let A's play at Coli longer. Well, that's not going to happen when you get competition for it. Several cities are already in the mix.
Well then they figure themselves out, as Oakland, don't give those bums any help on the way out
Manfred has stated he wants to expand before he retires in January 2029. So it will be within the next 4 years.
Fair point. But it still could be longer than that. I'm seeing 2030 or later pop up in these discussions. So, plans can change. And some were saying it could have even been earlier than 29. Partly why I commented here. It's hard to really know when it will happen at this point. It won't happen till A's and Rays are totally settled for sure. @@jeremyhelquist
One of Yeager's points about expansion was about that, you just don't know when, it could be longer to wait. And no guarantee too. Because of competition. Utah is getting in the game as an ex. here big time. If they really are up to doing that, MLB will pay attention. So. LV can get a MLB now, starting '28 at 380 M which is par for course, even on lower side for public portion in stadium deals that are public-private when you look around at recent ones and upcoming ones.
Honestly I dont think it will work unless we can merge it with the Rio Grande Plan. The railroad tracks will still cut the stadium off from the rest of the city and be a barrier for people walking to games. I think the city and state need to implement the Rio Grande Plan.
Hey, Brodie. You pronounced Wasatch perfectly well…maybe not with an Utah accent, but that’s understandable. And yes, people do occasionally float on the Jordan River, but not with Kayaks - if you catch my drift 😂. Oh, and I love your channel, but your math could use a quick refresher! 😆
The Upper Deck reminds me of Candlestick Park
Salt Lake Stingers
(Utah is the Bee Hive State)
How will this affect Oakland efforts to get an expansion team when the A's leave for Las Vegas? This sounds like a better plan than Howard Terminal's project ever was. The 2 districts the A's wanted Oakland to create years before shovels were to go into the ground, but ultimately failed to be a reality really killed the HT project. To start the district now is a great idea for the SLC ballpark districts!. Taxes are generated 5 -6 years before the ballpark is even needed to started! The city of Oakland didn't understand why the A's wanted 2 districts & really killed the project with no vote on that second district that could generate funds for the HT project years before the start of construction. Another way why Oakland isn't a big league town anymore😢
For me personally Salt Lake is really making an effort to land a team and is really starting to show me that they like Nashville are committed and are willing to put the work in to get a team
John Fisher - "screw Vegas! I'm going to go to SLC!" Vegas is out.
Calling it now the A's move to salt lake. Vegas doesn't want a mediocre team. And Vegas will poach the Dbacks which suits Vegas both in card symbolism "diamonds" and "snakes" the dessert it suits Vegas better. The Dbacks moving to Vegas will be slower.
The Dbacks aren’t moving. Especially for a significantly smaller market.
Brodi I think we need a video on the upcoming opening day and being a torn fan. All about the boycott and want to be apart of something but still want to go and watch the game. People on both sides
A baseball stadium in the same district where they hold SLC ComicCon, that city is getting ready to boom I say.
Nothing says your city is booming more than a city that holds a comic book convention. All those mondo zoon dweebies who if faced with the dilemma of a naked woman in their bed they wouldn't even know where to begin to please her.
The fact that they have a population base, love sports and ha e neld the winter Olympics is all I need to say they deserve a team
Salt lake would be a much better name the utah jazz is one of 2 nba teams that have a state name. Just seems corny… needs to be “Salt Lake City”
Is SLC big enough for three major league teams?
That's what I'm thinking. I completely support SLC having 2 teams, whether they get MLB or NHL, but I would be a little frustrated if they have 3. I live in St. Louis, which has a city population of 3 times the size of SLC and metro population of almost double with 2.8 million. And we only have 2 major league teams (3 if you count MLS, which would also give SLC 2 major league teams if you do count). So if SLC got 3 and we only had 2, I would feel a bit aggravated.
St. Louis is the 21st largest combined statistical area (CSA) in the US with an estimated 2022 population of 2,905,202 (down 0.6% from 2020). Salt Lake is 22nd at 2,779,398 (up 2.72% since 2020). Salt Lake might pass St. Louis in the 2030 census. St. Louis is a cool city though.
@@ajchristlieb you forgot the 4th team. stl Battlehawks witch lead the XFL ( now the UFL ) in attendance last years
@@dannyjohnson1287 Don’t blink with the UFL. They won’t be around for too long.
@@dannyjohnson1287 I didn't forget, unfortunately people probably won't consider that "major league" even though I would like to
$900 is a lot for Utah. Not so much for California. Where is the Governor of California on this? Where are the state legislators?
Really? California's Governor? We know where Newsome is, likely feeding the homeless on skid row!
CA seems to have had a simple philosophy of "No [direct] money for stadiums", because if Oakland is getting $500 mil, so should Anaheim, and then probably SF, LA, and SD (and tens of millions for SJ, Stockton, Modesto, Visalia, Bakersfield, Riverside, San Bernadino, etc.).
That being said, some of the HT money is coming from the state of CA.
Question - what would have to realistically happen for Vegas to fall through? The 380MM feels like an inevitable NIMBY to me, am I wrong?
There are two pending lawsuits against the A’s because the Nevada legislature passed the bill SB1 by a majority only vote not a 2/3 vote and that makes that vote unconstitutional. If the lawsuit should succeed they would have to vote again or put it on a ballot where it will most likely fail .Second is if A’s owner can’t get the financial backing for his project with outside investors and he has to give up the project . Both are long shots as the A’s are already looking to sell their half of the Coliseum in Oakland and if they can play their last 3 years in Oakland they would receive 70 million a year in revenue .If the Coliseum tell A’s owner Fisher to go to hell he would be in major trouble and hopefully would sell the team as he is the worst owner in all of sports and a not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to business as he’s just a trust fund baby with zero business skills
So it essentially comes down to funds? If the 380MM is revoked and he can't find a business partner to invest that... then it falls apart
@@GravityFalloutPines It falls apart unless he can raise the money himself .The people will never vote to help fund a billionaire to build a stadium for a team they don’t want and a stadium that’s being built for tourists not locals ..Vegas wants a Vegas born team a new franchise without a con artist owner
What would realistically happen for Vegas to fail??? The dome disintegrates!!!
Perfect, move the Rays there. No one watches baseball in Florida anyway. If that's a river why wouldn't you build the stadium close enough to see home runs hit into it. It's awesome to see that in San Francisco. They have 105 HRs into the bay since 2000 so it's rare but it's possible and that's what makes it fun to watch when someone puts it out there.
Portland won't put a penny into building a stadium and they aren't a baseball city anyway. They allowed their 105 year old AAA team move to New Mexico because they were more focused on building a soccer stadium in the park they were in.
Sacramento is going to show they can support the A's, Fisher is friends with Vivek Ranadivé who owns the Kings, I think they will stay in Sacramento if Vegas falls through. They have a spot next to downtown at the railyards where they were going to build a soccer stadium and it came to a halt during covid. The 49ers were investing in it, but got out. If not there they can build in West Sacramento where Sutter Health Park is now. Both places are walking distance from downtown and Golden 1 where the Kings play. Public transportation is already there, there's parking all over the area within walking distance, restaurants are near by and they won't ask for public money to do it. They won't get it if they ask anyway.
I think Utah would be a great place for Baseball. If not the Rays, a new team. The West needs more teams, Utah and San Antonio would be good places to put them.
Portland and Vancouver For West, Utah and Nashville for Central, and Montreal and North Carolina for East.
Although Vegas also deserves a team. Just wish it wouldnt be the A's. Also maybe they should do away with the Cental and just have the top 4 League West and East Teams (8 in total for each league) once theres an expanison of 32+ teams
was hoping Alburquerque isotopes.
Montreal had a baseball team and nobody came. Portland is a city of radical activists. Forget that place.
I've made it here to the end of the video
Same and congratulations to you🎉
This feels too practical and sensible for a government project. But I'm not from Utah, and maybe that's how they do business.
Utah will probably have a bigger capacity to the stadium than Las Vegas 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
lol, Utah just built a brand new minor league baseball stadium.
"2032 is 6 years away" - Broiey Brazil (More like Brodie 12-Monkeys)
What will they name the team ? Thats what i want to know ;-)
*8 years til 2032*
Brodie with the rare slip haha
The expansion is gonna be by 2029. That's when the current commissioner retires.
SLC is the same size as Fresno while Charlotte is larger than many MLB cities
You have to look at the metro area not just SLC (which is relatively small) coupled with the fact that Utah has been the fastest growing state over the last 10 years.
The SLC market is 2.7 million
I never thought of Utah as a baseball state but what do I know? lol. Sounds like this is a better deal than Las Vegas but we know MLB is desperate to get into Vegas.
People don’t care about baseball in Utah. Trust me I’ve been there many times and lived there for a short period
Genius, Vegas did the same thing
Out of curiosity for the opposition, what were the "no votes" concerns about the bill? Was it too broad/omnibus of a bill or are they concerned about how this affects residents? Genuinely curious if anyone has info...
I just moved to SLC from the east bay 2 years ago. Everyone here is actually EXCITED about the A's possibly here in the interim and really excited for a permanent MLB team
I have a friend that lives outside SLC and said everyone she knows really wants a team. There’s a buzz around it & I think it would be a huge success - way better than St. Pete’s (Tampa Bay)
Thank you for not moving to the valley
@@ValleyProud916haha do you mean Sacramento Valley Proud916? We almost did ha!
It will happen for Salt Lake and Nashville.
This is wrong. Public money for yet another ballpark. This is totally wrong. These stadiums only benefit the rich owners and rich players. Salt Lake. dont do it.
The owner has to pitch in 900M for a stadium they don’t own, pay $1.8M per year lease on said stadium, most likely has a provision to help pay for upkeep, pay the $2B expansions fee, all while the state and public get increased funds from people dining in restaurants, possible hotel stays, shopping, transportation cost, etc. Plus this area, presently, isn’t generating any revenue for the state anyway.
How much tax income will result from this development? Plenty.
The question I have is will the expansion cause a realignment of each league into 4 divisions?
Probably 4 divisions of 8 teams East vs West, where the top 3 teams in each divisions make the playoffs.
Rumor mill is they will do away with AL & NL as there’s really no difference between them anymore and teams are already playing every other team during the year. Makes for easier realigning.
Utah’s got room for Brodie!
Maybe behind scenes to get attention of the A’s . Because they might think their is trouble in paradise with Vegas
I like the idea of Portland, Oregon better as well as Montreal. Those would be my 2 MLB expansion cities.
its 8 years away, not 6
Sign me up,I want to be a Salt Lake fan just like the new team in Orlando called the Dreamers
Oh damn, Salt Lake City is going all in approving both this and $900 million for the NHL/NBA. Guess they want to compete with Denver for their sports market. Do a lot of people in Utah follow the Rockies and Broncos? I always assumed those were the big teams there.
2032 is 8-year away not 6-years.
The Utah Suns would be hilarious
It's an impressive package, and you can spend state money and TIF financing all you want, but trying to sharpshoot out-of-state tourists only with a rental car surcharge violates the equal protection clause. It's probably against FAA policy as well, using federal facilities (the airport) to collect such taxes. I guarantee lawyers from AAA or some consumer protection group are - or will be - collecting in a war room prepping for a class action lawsuit. Either everybody pays it, or nobody does...Otherwise, as long as the state is participating in the revenue stream and the public's investment is being made whole, I have no problem with it...And I agree with Brodie. Miller Group is not building this stadium to give to John Effing Fisher...
Would a SLC local rent a car to go back to their house?
I think the car tax will be applied to everyone who rents from the airport; but some are more likely to be in this position than others.
Of course it would be mostly tourists who rent cars, but people who rent cars while their own cars are under repair is a substantial segment too, and I don't think a carve the baby tax will legally fly. I can't create a tax to be imposed on all people whose names begin with "B", then exempt everyone with "R" names. In the eyes of the law it would be the same thing, especially with a federally funded facility involved...They may actually find a way to get away with it, but I think it'll backfire...
It's definitely going to be Nashville and SLC
I know it’s inevitable but I hate MLB expansion. Not enough talent to go around, especially pitching, IMO.
SLC will also get the 2034 Olympics
Simple solution, move the A's to SLC for 2025 under the Larry Miller Company with them paying the expansion fee. Fisher then slides over to Vegas to own that expansion franchise to take the field with Nashville around 2028 or so. Utah gets a team run by a local group, Vegas and Nashville get the expansion teams they wanted in the first place, the league still gets their two expansion fees and reach 32 teams, everyone wins.
Everyone wins huh? What about the Oakland fans?
@@johns.8246they lost already
Being a non resident of Utah. Why should I have to flip the bill for a f****** stadium? If I went to Utah chances are I probably wouldn't even go to that stadium. If they want their own stadium inUtah, they should pay for on their own instead of taking advantage of tourist.
I’m sorry that you’re paying $101.50 now for your car rental instead of $100.
Let them have the Chicago White Sox
Utah Saints?
The Salt Lake Shakers
I think expansion in the upper mid west is crucial to the sport. But MLB needs to have a salary cap before this happens. You'd be a small market like Pittsburgh. No offense. Also if you still have the no alcohol or tobacco laws that's going to be difficult to bring in a casual fan. Especially from outside your jurisdiction that just wants to enjoy themselves. No offense of course. It's not a bad idea. Keep it small at about 26000 people. You don't need a dome unless you're going to use it for concerts or something. But an interesting conversation.
What about addressing the fact that the Great Salt Lake is disappearing? I suppose having a baseball team is more important than researching how Utah can save it's most important natural site.
Miller's need to just pay Fisher his pimp fees, and assume ownership of the A's
Do we really need another team out west? The southeast has the Braves and that’s it.
An MLB team in Utah? What are they going to be called?
Did the people vote on it?
Why taxe us for this they didn't use taxes for the Delta Center
Why? They should know they won't get a team unless they lift the limited alcohol restrictions MLB is not going to like limited alcohol sales at the staduim
if they get that far, they'd better put a retractable roof on it. the weather there is nuts.
The weather in Salt Lake City is no different then Denver. No need to put a roof on it. The Salt Lake Bees have played there for many years and they've never needed a dome
Sure it's different weather. Both lakes affect the weather in SLC. I play adult baseball up there from april thru october, and the weather and temps get crazy. Bees park is AAA and maybe 5000 show up each night. We're talking about having an MLB club, spending MLB-sized money, and having around maybe 40k fans per game, so the park and its amenities should be a massive upgrade from the Bees' field. And retractable roofs are the bomb. But if we get to that bridge, the powers that be will decide it.@@traci635
Please take the A’s. Then we can all move on with expansion.
The Miller's want to OWN any team that might come to Utah and residence want the same. Keep your A's in Okland or let them go to LV. I think the obvious choice for expansion of the MLB in the west is clearly SLC.
2032 is 8 years away according to my 3rd grade math.
2032?
Only draw back is are they going to be able to sell beer at the Utah Stormen Mormons ballpark ?
Yes. Look up the alcohol laws regarding Utah and SLC. I read up on it awhile ago but Jazz sell beer but at a less alcohol %.
Jazz seem to be doing fine
Yes, have both attended games and worked for the LHM group at the Jazz, Bee’s and Real Salt Lake games. We have alcohol at all 3 stadiums. 🍻
Wasatch Brewing co., Squatters Brewery and others.... Delicious beer
The Royals just lost a vote for a new stadium, they should move to Salt Lake.
Who else here considers the relatively sudden moves being made in SLC and sees it as an attempt to snag not an expansion team... but the Oakland A's? I mean think about it... why do you come out of the gates in the way they have, in 2024, if MLB is now talking expansion in the early 2030's? It makes no sense if that's your endgame. But it sure makes sense if the A's (or Rays) for whatever reason can't bring the deals they've allegedly got on the table home.
The only issue is the A’s get dirty local tv $ they’d have to give up in Utah from 25-27.
I don’t think anyone wants the A’s if Fisher comes with them.
This is the third or fourth post I’ve seen about expansion not until 2030+. This doesn’t jive with Manfred’s own statements that he wants it to happen before he retires in Jan ‘29.
@@maxfactor886 You don't think a SLC-based television partner wouldn't pony up $70 million a year for exclusive rights to Utah A's games?
IDK part of why they are having trouble figuring out next year is b/c of how much they get from the Bay Area tv contract. They’ll prob. pick the expansion teams before Manfred retires in 29 I guess that’s the plan. I just don’t get the idea of why they need another west team. They need teams in the Dixie south way more, put both expansion teams there.
This is exciting news!
I hope Utah gets MLB team and I hope the Coyotes move to Utah.
I’d rather have expansion teams in both cases.
Coyotes aren’t moving
Everyone in Las Vegas (that isn't a union stooge): Hey John Fisher, GO TO UTAH (and sell to the Miller group)! Hell, GO ANYWHERE BUT HERE.
Will Fisher now fall all over himself to get out of Vegas and move to Salt Lake City??? Interesting......
I wish Oakland officials had been this pro-active in alloting funds for an MLB stadium instead of spending so long negotiating. They really didn't even have to negotiate before passing a bill. It probably would have cost more than $900M but if they had just gotten together and passed a bill to fund a stadium totally independent of Fisher I don't think the A's would have left. If they had just passed a bill on their own for around a billion or so there's no way Fisher leaves that money on the table with it already being passed into law. The quickness ans proactivity of States like Utah and Nevada when it comes to passing laws to fund stadiums is noticeably different from the way Oakland functions. Oakland seems to want to negotiate about every little thing before even introducing a bill to keep the team while Utah is passing bills in a serious effort to get a team that doesn't and may never even exist. There's definitely a dichotomy there.
The problem is, Oakland is broke. Oakland also learned the hard way about giving out taxpayer money with the Raiders deal and no longer wants to utilize public money for a Billionaire stadium. Oakland is still paying for Mount Davis despite the Raiders leaving almost 5 years ago
California doesn't give public money to billionaires for their personal profits. Especially when baseball is a sport on the decline. It would be like giving someone money to build a horse track. Utah will learn. Oakland needs to get their act together in many ways, but so does baseball. Many teams don't have long term television deals and players pants are see through.
@@MrRicklynch57the see through paints is part of Majorie league baseball attempt to attract a female audience.
Corporate welfare
@@LILDOGGY9922 Yeah. That's true. The sad fact is no city that operates that way is going to be able to keep any sports team. The city itself would basically be driving all their teams away regardless of who the owner is. When states like Utah (again... Utah of all places??) are willing to drop $900M at the drop of a hat just to lure a team that doesn't even exist all cities are going to have to pass bills that compete with that to keep the teams they have. I know some people hate that fact and want the owners to pay for the stadiums but pro-sports teams are in very high demand throughout the country. So the owners have all the leverage. Owners aren't going to spend months and months negotiating with city officials to try and stay in one city when other states and cities are willing to quickly pass bills for hundreds of millions of dollars to lure them away. Good or bad that's the world we live in. Trying to function as if that's not the case is the quickest way to lose a team. I have no desire to live in Utah or Las Vegas but if they pass a bill that will give me hundreds of millions of dollars to move there I am packing up and going to that city today. That's sort of why I don't get why so many people bash Fisher for leaving but don't also hold the city officials accountable for not passing a bill that can compete with these other bills that have already been passed in other places. I'm no fan of Fisher but by negotiating and negotiating and negotiating forever while never even introducing a bill the Oakland officials were effectively driving the team away directly into the arms of a city who wrote, introduced and then passed a funding bill all in less than two weeks. It seems like people would either be okay with Oakland never introducing some kind of guaranteed funding bill and then be okay with the consequences of that which is the team leaving or they would be upset that the team is leaving and therefore be upset with Oakland officials playing a huge part in causing that by never passing a funding bill in a reasonable amount of time. It seems that there are a lot of people who don't acknowledge or complain about the city officials at all but are very upset that the team is leaving. That's kind of like trying to have it both ways. Either the city officials did a good job and it's good the team is leaving or it's bad the team is leaving and the city officials did a terrible job and share a large portion of the blame for that happening and deserve to be called out for it. One of those two things has to be true. Almost everyone blasts the owner for leaving but act like the city officials did nothing wrong. The city officials had the power to stop the move from happening by passing a bill but never did. I don't understand why they never really get called out for it by people who hate the move.
Don't bother with MLB for Salt Lake City. The altitude would eliminate top pitchers from playing for a SLC team. The Colorado Rockies rarely have a good team, and can never get good pitching. Pitchers aren't stupid. Maybe pursue NFL or NHL. I think the NHL would thrive in SLC.
They just need to add a team somewhere in Latin America since Latins will make up more than 50% of the teams within the next 10 years.
Utah Baseball ⚾️ park would be so cool 😎
I dont see how Oakland keeps the A's if Vegas falls through. Oakland cant compete with any city willing to commit any significant money towards a stadium. Yes, they have nearly a billion dollars earmarked from grant money but none of that goes towards the actual stadium, only infrastructure. Unless Oakland somehow includes public money towards the stadium, hard to see it working there
My personal opinion, if Vegas somehow falls through, MLB will have no other option then to make Fisher sell the team! Will the A’s still stay in Oakland? If an investor steps up quick enough, then possibly.
MLB want 2 expansion teams in the next 5 years or less - one on each coast. It would screw everything up if Vegas doesn’t happen.
@lovesgucci1 The way things appear right now, Manfred is done with Oakland as a market. Well see how accurate that assessment is when the A's and the City of Oakland are done with negotiations for a lease extension. The city wants an expansion team in exchange for letting the A's play at the Coliseum for 3 more years. If Fisher and Manfred pivot away from negotiations in favor of another city, we'll have a clearer picture on where Manfred stands with Oakland as a viable big league city
I want Fisher to sell the team and for the A’s to stay in Oakland but they are never getting an expansion team if they leave. Never.
Oakland city officials need to take some blame for this too. A lot of officials don’t care or want the A’s. Read some of the provisions & regulations that the city put into the Howard Terminal plan - it’s ridiculous!!
What bothers me more than anything, is the fan base is getting blamed for a dead beat billionaire owner and an inept body of elected/non-elected city officials.
MLB will do anything possible to save this Vegas deal because it’s already a nightmare for the league.
Unless Oakland builds a new stadium they are not keeping the A’s and certainly not getting an expansion team.
Even if Vegas falls through the only way the As stay in Oakland is if Fisher sells to Lacob. Given what’s going on lately, if Fisher sells it would more likely be to these Utah folks instead, especially since with this bill the ballpark will be ready to go.
This does not make sense. As an Urban population, Portland, Sacramento, Austin, San Jose or San Antonio have a larger population base than Salt Lake. Salt Lake is barely big enough to support an MLB team which is no better than the Brewers.
The number of population doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of it all… there are local soccer teams in Europe that pull more people watching their games in the Oakland Athletics do in California, so I think of the day it comes down to the audience and question and their desire to actually watch sports
@@markofthearc I disagree. Salt Lake barely has 1 M over say Portland which has twice the population and media revenue would be larger to support the team.
I mean…
Miami has a population of 6 MILLION and they’re ranked 29th in the league for attendance; averaging 14k per game and only selling 1.1 million seats in 2023.
Conversely, St. Louis has a population of nearly half that; and they’re ranked 4th with 3.24 million seats sold in 2023. Using your argument Population alone would justify that Miami should have INSANE numbers comparatively.
3.2(seats)/2.9(pop)= 1.1 ticket sold for everyone in Metro STL
1.1(seats)/6.4(pop)= .17 tickets sold for everyone in Metro Miami
If we take into account dual market cities as well (NY, Chicago, and LA) it gets even HARDER to justify the numbers you’re pushing.
If a city of 1,300,000 each went to 1 game a season; not even including tourism and other situations, it would easily eclipse the bottom 6 markets with ease.
I’d argue that SLC Baseball makes more sense than Las Vegas baseball.
@@williamquemuel7824 AND the fact that they got PUBLIC money and no one is throwing a massive hissy fit like almost literally every market in America should say a lot…
@@markofthearc Miami having 6M have a larger media market. There are more eyes on MLB product in a larger market. Salt Lake would be like a voice in the woods.
I vote for the team name Salt Lake Shakers.
Utah serious about playin ball.
utah is doing well... very smart people
let the billionaire owners pay for stadiums on their own. enough public money so already wealthy people can get even richer