Salt Lake CURVEBALL for A’s temporary home
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Chapters:
0:00 Salt Lake City option... is a curveball
1:10 Revisiting all the top temporary options
3:43 Smith's Ballpark... seems perfect?
5:26 The TWIST!
7:45 The Daybreak Ballpark
8:59 RENDERINGS of Daybreak Ballpark
10:46 Location, location, location
11:26 What the numbers say about Salt Lake City
14:20 Big League Utah, still going after MLB
15:12 THE TAKEAWAYS
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I wonder if an open roof like the old Dallas Cowboys stadium had. You could still blow AC throughout, but get some natural light coming in.
I also thought of grow lights. They used them in the Toyota stadium in Frisco Texas prior to the National Championship. After each game, just roll them out overnight and water before games.
if salt lake has a stadium to play in, why not just play there instead of LV
If you add the entire Wasatch Front population: Weber, Davis, Salt Lake, and Utah counties, then the population within all four is over 2.5 million. All four counties are connected by commuter rail as well. SLC metro's population can be really misleading going off the US census . SLC can easily support a team.
100%. This is what people that don’t live in Utah don’t get.
It takes a good hour in train to get from Weber to Daybreak …
It can take an hour to cross the bay bridge into Oakland sometimes. Whats your point?@@coalhouse1981
I’m a Bay Area native lifelong A’s fan going to college at UofU. That view from Smith’s is absolutely beautiful. If they play over here I’ll be front and center with FJF chants and Sell shirts.
You might be by yourself... 😃
@@bartphlegar8212 Agreed.
all the harder to ignore me
Hope whatever you're trauma is, that you find peace.
I've been an A's fan since before Ricky and Billie showed up. Fisher has broke my baseball heart. But I'd take a road trip from the bay to a game just to buy you a beer and one of your shirts 😁FJF
Yes, you’re saying it correctly 😜
Also, Daybreak is a Master Planned Community (massive neighborhood) that is In South Jordan.
Interestingly, Smith’s Ballpark (yes, that view is fantastic) and the new ballpark in Daybreak are on the same Trax line.
Moving the Bees to Downtown Daybreak actually makes sense (at least to me). Smith’s Ballpark is publicly owned by the City (or County, I don’t remember exactly). The Larry H. Miller Company owns new development in Daybreak and they own the Bees. So consolidating makes sense, at least to me.
Unfortunately, Smith’s Ballpark is aging. During sellout games (usually Fireworks games), navigating the concourse is miserable. I would imagine Smith’s would need TONS of updates just to get the Team facilities up to snuff for the needs of an MLB team. The new Downtown Daybreak stadium probably already has plans for much of what the A’s would need/want.
Finally, the Larry H. Miller company/family is VERY savvy when it comes to professional sports in the state of Utah, as they owned the Utah Jazz for decades. I trust their thinking and deal making in these circumstances.
That said, thank you Brodie for your thoughts and analysis on the A’s situation. I’ve always found them to be well thought out and fair.
Now let’s hear you pronounce the name of the Mountain Range to the West of the new Daybreak Stadium. They are the “Oquirrh” Mountains 😜
Born and raised along the Wasatch Front. Would love to see the A’s here for a couple of years. I’m sure the new facility in Daybreak will be first-class, as the Miller’s have deep pockets and do things right. I would expect them to increase capacity as well, if the A’s wanted the brand new facility.
So you’d have a first class facility, with I’m sure added capacity, in an area that puts them close to the Salt Lake crowd, but also close enough to the Provo crowd. They’d be very close to lots of young people and families, and would have no problem selling out for all home games.
In all honesty, they’d probably end with more attendance than what they’ve been getting in Oakland the past few years, in a packed house, with an engaged community, that’s anxious for Major League Baseball. Seems like it would be a good solution.
wow, ya, Salt Lake City is certainly quite the curveball. Didn't expect that. Sacramento seems obvious, and the idea of using Oracle Park part time is a fascinating idea. I had never known the ballpark in Salt Lake City. That's a nice sized stadium and not that old really. I drove through Salt Lake City a few years ago, and I was blown away, had no idea about it. It's one of the most beautiful cities I've ever been to. It's incredibly beautiful and way up nestled in the mountains and surrounded by very impressive, steep and beautiful mountains. Just an incredible landscape. It almost felt like a paradise up in the sky way up there. Anyways, Brodie, someday you should definitely go to Salt Lake City!!
I’m an A’s fan who lives in Salt Lake. I have so many thoughts regarding this situation and this video. First, you are pronouncing Wasatch correctly 🙂. Second, this whole Bee’s situation is pretty dumb as well. I think moving the team to Daybreak is more about real estate development than baseball. I haven’t been impressed by anything I’ve seen with the new park proposal. Smith’s, on the other hand, is beautiful. Wouldn’t it be ironic if the A’s weren’t even playing in the best and largest park in the market? No that’s where the AAA farm club of the Angels would play. Third, the combined statistical area of the Salt Lake, Ogden, and Provo metro areas has a population of 2.8 million, the 22nd largest market in the country… larger than Sacramento, Las Vegas, or even Nashville.
I still think it would be cool if the A’s were here for a few years, but I would still rather have them where they belong: Oakland.
thanks for your honest takes. and like I said... Utah is serious about getting mlb, that's been noticed, and I'm sure in reality: they're a frontrunner
Sac is still way bigger than SLC's metro region. If you start tossing on the bigger cities that are already NOT included in their metro region it grows exponentially. SLC is a small market similar to LV. Sac's metro population is 2.4m and if you start adding in more like Stockton, Fairfield, Yuba etc it grows big. Not to mention that it always has a bleed over market scenario with the Bay Area. Even Santa Rosa tunes in for their sports games via TV market. California is on a whole other level when it comes to population and TV markets. Even Fresno is a somewhat small market on its own. It's crazy...
@@WiggleBabies That's not true at all, most people would never throw most of those cities you mentioned in with Sacramento. If you go by the Metro areas, Sacramento is bigger. But if you go by the larger CSA (combined statistical areas) they're almost the same. Actually the Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem CSA has almost 100k more residents than the Sacramento-Roseville CSA, 2.8 mil to 2.7 mil, and it's growing at a faster rate. Not to mention the fact that any team in SLC would likely be named for the entire state of Utah like the Jazz are.
Slc metro area is salt lake county. Between provo (30min south of slc) and Ogden (45 min north of slc) there 2.5 million in population. There is more in this region than people think. Also consider how attendants is for our other pro teams like the Jazz and RSL.
guess provo/ogden didn't make it into that figure. thanks for the info
Moving it to daybreak actually allows it to be closer to Utah county(compares to downtown). Utah county(way more than just provo at this point) is growing faster than SLC and Ogden.
Crazy thought, but if Vegas falls through, and Utah is super hungry for a team, I could almost see the A's going for SLC over returning to Oakland unless they are forced to sell
it's not that crazy considering how this whole thing has gone
SLC said all along they are wanting an expansion team not a relocation. Having said that, if offered as a sure move that would be the smart way to go.
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This is MLB doing trial runs for MLB expansion by the A’s playing in SLC &/or Sacramento. I personally think either area could support an MLB franchise.
& yes you’re saying Wasatch correctly
I agree in practice that this will function as a trial run for MLB in either Sacramento or SLC, assuming the A's end up in one of those places. But I suspect that this is of little interest to the A's themselves, and they will ultimately be the ones who decide where to go unless MLB decides to interfere. And if they do that the A's could legitimately request that they kick in some financial support for whichever location they want. It's definitely a reason for those in the two locations who want to obtain an expansion team to give the A's a more favorable deal than they would otherwise consider, though.
Sacramento, fans will attend SLC eeehhhh
Lots of homeruns in Salt Lake City because of the rarified air
True it’s not as bad as Denver though
The humidity is very low in Utah and the summer temperatures are a bit high but far better than Las Vegas and not the same kind of heat as Texas or anywhere in the South. I think Smith's Ball Park is the best option. I grew up in the bay area also, been here a long time. The ball carries great at Smith's and the MLB players will love the homeruns.
MLB would require a humidor if the A's played there. Just as they do in all ballparks now
This is fascinating. What baseball fans should notice is that SLC is a central location to a lot of the NL West and AL West teams, but also not far from some of the Central division teams. Costs of travel is a big deal with MLB (part of why Houston moved to the AL West), and this would help with that.
SLC is motivated to get a franchise.
You pronounced it perfectly. Most Utahns would love to get a major league baseball team here. However, I think trying to prove it by offering a tiny ballpark in daybreak isn’t the way to do it. I’m not sure what filling a 7500 seat stadium would prove as far as how much Utah wants a team. Smith’s ballpark I think would do a lot better at showing MLB that we would fill a stadium.
Smiths looks absolutely beautiful to play ball in. I’m assuming the dimensions gotta be large to accommodate the elevation.
It's a minor league ballpark. "Adjustments" will have to be made... 😃
@@bartphlegar8212 yeah man more than likely for the capacity but you think they will change the dimensions ?
@@BK_718 Short answer, they can (and always have) done what they want. They make rules, then they break them. That said...The 1958 Rule states that MLB ballpark dimensions should meet or exceed 400 feet in center field, and 325 feet in left and right field. Smith's is 345' left, 420' center, and 315' right. Too short by that measure in RF, but nothing unfixable. HOWEVER... 😃...Remember that SLC is a high altitude city. The elevation at home plate is 4,230' ASL. Not as high as Coors Field, but still noticeable differences in baseball physics. Don't know if you remember when the Colorado Rockies started playing at the old Mile High Stadium - which along with the Broncos did double duty as the minor league Bears' home. The Rockies years at Mile High were traumatic for baseball purists. Pedestrian players for the Rockies were shattering hitting records because of the really shallow LF fence at 333'. The rest of the field was huge - 366', LCF, 423' CF, 400' RCF, 370' RF - but it didn't matter. Due to the altitude and dry air the balls had afterburners on them. They built a 'green monster" in left. Didn't help. Some say the Coors Field dimensions are too short. Even with the addition of the humidor, it's still very much a hitter's park. Pitchers have a hard time because the thin air reduces baseball movement in flight and makes pitches a lot more predictable. SLC is a thousand feet lower, but the air is still thin. The Great Salt Lake adds a bit of moisture to the air, but still. Putting major league hitters in a regular sized ballpark in a dry, elevated ballpark will ruffle a lot of feathers. Can they do it. Sure! But what are the consequences?...
Left field: 345 ft - Left-center field: 385 ft - Center field: 420 ft - Right-center field: 375 ft - Right field: 315 ft
Great video... IMHO there may be signifiant business justifications including taxes, and "come to Utah" incentives that would likely be on the table. I think I seen somewhere that the new stadium in SLC could be expanded to 11k. What does that do to a grand opening timeline? Also the grass area in the outfield portion of Smith's ball park could be transformed into some seating if it's a must have from the MLB perspective. The biggest concern that has hampered professional sports in SLC for decades is the attendance on Sundays. The Utah Jazz limited their play on Sundays due to attendee issues. Im sure this has to be a concern for MLB and the A's. All that said, I'm 100% certain the Utah fan base would rally around MLB in SLC, and getting the 9-10K attendance that the A's recently seen in Oakland is very achievable. Utahans will LOVE affordable family experience that the MLB can provide.
Double-headers on Saturday!
@@Gogiantsgo1 maybe a short term solution but TV revenue and travel drives the need for Sunday games. Living in Denver, Sunday games at Coors draw less attendance than Friday/Saturdays. But Sunday day games are a must to generate revenue that is lost on weekday games.
This is very nice analysis from a guy who is not from Utah. Just FYI, the Daybreak area is not a city. It is a massive residential development that is part of the city of South Jordan, Utah. Daybreak is already well developed. Development started there in 2005. There are at least 20,000 people living there, maybe as many as 40 grand (hard to find latest info online), with tons of retail and commercial already there. The Miller family companies bought tons of land in Daybreak a few years ago from the prior developer and eventually started to develop a certain part of it for a new stadium with restaurants etc. The weather in Utah is no problem at all for baseball. Yeah, it gets hot in July and August, but no different from Atlanta, Dallas, Denver, etc. The Daybreak park will be beautiful. The Miller family, who used to own the Jazz, do everything top notch. People in Utah are super excited for MLB. Everyone here will become A's fans if the A's come here for 2 or 3 years. The games will all sell out for sure in the small stadium. The Miller family owns the Bees, so they can keep the Bees in their old stadium with no problem, except the city of Salt Lake is bugged that the Millers are pulling the Bees out of the city to the suburbs. And you pronounced "Wasatch" perfectly!
Salt Lake City summer weather is easily in the top 5% of the US. You forget 0% humidity and relentlessly beautiful sunny days
Just a little local clarification from your story which is vastly correct. Daybreak is a community started some 20 years back. The area and population has expanded quite a bit. It was modeled after Celebration in Florida if you're familiar with it (as a walk-able community). Why the Bee's would want to move to such a small location (capacity wise), is unknown to me but locally, the Miller Corp, and City of South Jordan have announced increasing the new Triple A ballpark by another 6,000ish seats to accommodate the A's (still probably smaller that Smith's Ballpark). The Daybreak location will not have as scenic view as Smith's due to it's proximity to the east mountain range (Wasatch - yes, you've pronounced it correctly). The city, state, and many locals are all in for MLB and the new stadium west of downtown SLC. Meanwhile those talking with the A's are looking at this partnership as a trial to the big league. We'll see. As a baseball fan who wants SLC to get MLB, yes I'd get season tickets at the drop of a hat. Going to daybreak to see the A's (not our team and leaving the market), I'd go a few times a year primarily to see other MLB teams. Smith's Ballpark is far from crumbling. It's location and views are great. With a few upgrades the bones are awesome. It was originally build with the design to allow the addition of thousands of more seating. Nonetheless if the A's could sell out at Smith's for a good number of games (even at the current capacity) I'd think they'd be happy... It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Failed to mention, Big League Utah (the coalition) isn't being driven by the city or state. It's a group (primarily the Millers), who want ownership. Not simply to host an existing team with an owner that lacks an interest in high performance competitive ball rather building a competitor team in the league from ground zero. They've already said as much.
Very interesting story. Thanks for sharing.
I grew up in Utah, but now live in the Sacramento area. Found it funny that you included the 94° temperature as a concern when in Sacramento summers are scorchers!! For the past several years there have been week long stretches of 110°+ in July and August. It’s turning into an Arizona. 😂
Look at the attendance of the A’s for the past 2 years.
In 2023, the average attendance was 10,275, a slight increase from the previous year's value of 9,973 people.
As a former Bay Area resident who currently lives in Salt Lake Metro, that may be a possibility. Smith’s is a grocery store chain in Utah and Idaho, while Larry H Miller Corp, while it may be a development company, also owns a few auto dealerships in the Salt Lake area as well as the Utah Jazz NBA team. And yes, you pronounced wasatch correctly.
Why would the Bees even want to move to a new stadium with half the seating capacity of their old stadium? The new stadium looks more like a college ballpark.
Old park near downtown has a bit of crime. New park is in the lily white suburbs. They can charge more for tix.
Yeah idk why they’re making the stadium smaller but the neighborhood of smiths ballpark is rough
Hahaha.. Brodie. You nailed it. Hey, can I crash on your couch? Well played.
I live in Salt Lake for 2 years (2009-2011), Daybreak is a subdivision in the city of South Jordan so the new ball park will be in South Jordan. I lived in the Daybreak subdivision, I wonder where they are going to build the ball park.
This was a solid video, as always. Thanks Brodie!
Having lived in Sandy Ut your pronunciation of Wasarch is correct. Larry Miller was instrumental in bring8ng the Jazz to SLC. He passed sway a few years ago. His sons are probably running this group.
I live 2 hours from Salt Lake in southeast Idaho. We have never had the opportunity to watch the MLB so close. It's been over a ten-hour drive for us to watch a game. I would sell a kidney to pay for season tickets. It would be a dream come true to spend a few summers being an A's fan. (Unless their playing my Braves)
Brodie keeping asking questions. You will never find yourself with nothing left to ask with these folk. I certainly know nothing of politics in Nevada or Utah. But I am old enough to know there is nothing as complicated as local politics. I still have my doubts if the politics in Nevada will make the A's move to Las Vegas viable. As far as Utah goes, talk is cheap as are press releases. Fisher will move the A's anywhere if the money is right. If SLC can back up the talk with sweeteners, then SLC may be the A's future temporary home. As I commented in another of your videos, if SLC thinks that temporarily hosting the A's will give them a leg up in getting an expansion franchise, they should think again. The MLB owners are a ruthless greedy bunch, the expansion franchises will go to whichever groups come up with the highest bid.
Could be viable with proven history, if the seasons w/ the A's are deemed successful to go along with the highest bid. Big League Utah is serious.
Went to Smith's in 2022. Lovely stadium, reminds me of Norfolk in that it has character and a big upgrade over the 7K single-deck + suites, layouts that predominate among AA's. Not far from transit, and not the most premier location in SLC. That may be the issue; the area is built up.
Increasingly, privately-developed stadia (e.g., Atlanta, St Louis) are real estate plays, and they need land and local munipalities to pitch in. Hence South Jordan.
Local Utahn here, I live within walking distance of where the new stadium is being built. A few important things to explain here.
The area of Smith's Ballpark is getting run-down and there is an increasing problem with the homeless population. Due to that they decided to move.
The Daybreak area is a community within the city of South Jordan. This is actually all part of the greater Salt Lake Metropolitan area, and there is currently a larger population in this area than in the direct area around Smith's Ballpark.
Well-done on saying the name of the Wasatch Mountains. And Smith's Ballpark has a majestic view of these mountains. Even though the press release claims that the Daybreak stadium will as well, all of the renderings actually show a view of the Oquirrh mountain range instead of the Wasatch Mountains, which is a little less spectacular of a view. Regardless of that, we would Welcome the A's with open arms. But a challenge that you would have in the Salt Lake market is we aren't primarily A's fans. If the Angels, Dodgers, Rockies, or D-Backs came to visit, there would probably be more fans cheering for them than the home team, as I doubt many fans are likely to switch their deep allegiances for a team that is here on a temporary basis.
I'd add, Salt Lake would love to have both the A's and the Bees.
Also an Utah but more importantly downtown SLC local. And you couldn’t be more wrong about the current smiths ballpark. First of all it’s a CITY. Not your cookie cutter Disney bullshit daybreak fake community. No one lives out there. And of of course it’ll be newer and “nicer” but it’s not in SLC and it’s tiny and it’ll be a lot more empty than people think. Unless they turn it into a G rated Mormon fest. None of these other communities would exist if SLC didn’t take the brunt of making the salt lake valley function which does include the homeless
Brodie, do you know if the Sell Tax kicks in if Fisher sells once they play ball in for example SLC (and presumably sign a lease) but before the Tropicana ballpark construction gets underway?
A few games here in Reno would be pretty cool ! The get a good crowd for the Aces, I’m sure they would sellout every MLB game at Ace’s ballpark.
It's hot during the day here in Utah. At night it cools off quickly, and it's dry, not sticky.
So many good points made. Thanks, Brodie. The Vagabond A's. Yeah, an interesting point is what "if" they landed in SLC, and the Vegas deal falls apart, completely, where do they go? #couchsurfing
Here we are a few months later and we now know A's using Daybreak is not going to happen. Smith's Field opened in 1994 as Franklin Covey Field and home to the Salt Lake Buzz, AAA PCL affiliate of the Minnesota Twins. It has to be one of the most beautiful baseball setting is the country! It is so stunningly beautiful, I affectionately refer to it as "God's Field"! If I'm not mistaken it may have been designed by the architects that did Camden Yards.
Am I going to drive to Daybreak to see a game! Not likely. As a resident of SLC, I am very aware of traffic going south from about 5-7 pm! A nightmare drive and exactly when one would likely need to drive to Daybreak. I suppose if you live near the Trax line it would not as bad?
So the Miller group must really be banking on getting MLB in the Power District if they are planning on Moving the Bees to Daybreak. And certainly the Bees should get plenty of support from fans in the south end of the valley that don't have to deal with that traffic. The rest of us will go watch the MLB team!
BTW, when the team changed AAA affiliate from the Twins to the Angels, they also changed names from the Buzz (we had the Jazz, the Buzz and the Grizz) to the Stingers (the Stinkers) and later to the Bees which is the name they wanted all along (the original PCL team was the Bees) but they had been blocked from using the name by the Burlington Bees minor league team.
Yes, you are pronouncing Wasatch correctly! Thanks for another great video!
11,000 capacity. Further down press release, capacity would go from 7,500 to 11,000 if site is selected by A's.
Sutter Health is already 15,000 and could easily be expanded to 20,000. Sacramento would be a much better MLB expansion site than putting a new team in Shitsville…I mean Oakland or Mormon Town. Let’s be honest, the demographic for MLB is Walnut Creek/Danville/Lafayette, as Oakland is no longer anymore “blue collar” than Chino, Avenal or Pelican Bay.
wow! you're kinda a dink! Mormon Town? Bet you've never stepped foot in it, btw changing planes in SLC doesn't count. '@@seanhoward8025
the SLC MSA is 46th largest in the country. If the A's go there it will be a temp situation until a new park in built in Vegas. But being in SLC could help expand viewership once the team moves to Vegas to have SLC watch the RSN that cover's the A's once they are in Vegas.
Your "Wasatch" was spot on. :)
I went to a Bees game years ago at Smith's and parking was a disaster. That was only with 6K there too. It's a nice facility close to downtown, but logistically it can't handle 15k.
From Salt Lake Newspaper Deseret News, "Starks earlier told the Deseret News the park, which is scheduled to open in 2025, could be expanded to 10,000 or 12,000 seats."
The best solution would be for the Aviators to relocate and for their the A'a to take over and renovate their ballpark. As you said the A's probably would like to avoid introducing the team to the market with 100+ losses kinds of take the luster off their grand opening in 2028. Salt Lake with the two stadiums would work best without upsetting the current PCL teams. I still don't see how Salt Lake is a legitimate candidate for MLS expansion if the A's end up in Las Vegas. Seems like two smaller remote media markets competing for fans. More jackrabbits, coyotes and rattlesnakes than people live between Salt Lake and Las Vegas.
Brodie, in a previous episode you mentioned that you were surprised Utah considers itself a baseball state, you mentioned the NFL is king,but the NFL plays predominantly on Sundays and that is a NONO in Utah
mlb plays every Sunday for 6+ months.... even more than the NFL does
I think it has more to do with college football being more popular in Utah with BYU and UofU
True but that goes against Sam's agenda. Larry H. was a devote religious man and wanted the Jazz to avoid Sunday games though it did happen at times. As for attendance at games on Sunday - Unaffected. @@adanalyst6925
Sounds like the book I am reading on Finley when he was trying to move A’s out of KC.
Daybreak resident here. Smiths ballpark is a great facility but in a terrible neighborhood. The southwest part of Salt Lake County (where Daybreak is) is booming. That's where most of the people with money to spend on entertainment live or are moving to. We would LOVE to see MLB in Utah. Daybreak is a good place for it.
If you include the Ogden Metro area (40 miles North of SLC and the Provo metro area (40 miles South of SLC) Daybreak is more centrally located than smith's field and includes a population of about 2.6 million. Smith's field is also not in a very good neighborhood. It is slowly becoming gentrified but their is lots of Homeless people in the immediate area of Smiths Field and limited parking. there is TRAX which is a very good service but most people would much rather drive if there is enough parking. The South central part of the valley is much safer and would attract far more fans including myself who lives in Utah county.
I live in Utah now, grew up in the east bay. Summer feels the same, winter is obviously way way colder
thanks for the real info!
7,500 MLB tickets per game in SLC would be crazy expensive. Lots of folks fly to Denver, Oakland, LA to see games. The small stadium could be an MLB market experiment in "less is more" scarcity creates value. Going to the extreme of just 7,500 seats would be quite the market experiment over a couple of years. Every seat is sold at a premium.
It is why the Utah Utes refuse to expand their stadium despite year after year of sell outs with standing room only seating selling out as well. Try getting season tickets and well, multiple year waiting list.
MLB in SLC will sell out every game for those 3 years at Smith's ballpark. And it builds a market if they dont get expansion. Might be the answer.
If the SLC group succeeds, it could be seen as a tryout for MLB expansion...and a possible plan B/plan C for the A's. If enough money is offered...it could happen
Yes I 100% agree
And if Portland or someone else gets the expansion team over SLC, then the Vegas A's will have a SLC fanbase only 5-6 hours away (COL and ARI are 8-9 hours away)
Yes, stay in Oakland, but Smiths ballpark is a great park, surprised its being replaced. Light rail is close by. I love watching games there.... Ogden Raptors has a great back drop, but is not the nice of a park. If you you visit BB, check 'em both out.
However, not a huge baseball interested population in the greater Salt Lake area
Contrary to what you might expect, summer in Sac is warmer than SLC on average but SLC usually has a few thunderstorms each summer so probably has a greater risk of weather delays
You said Wasatch correctly. And, to my knowledge, Daybreak is technically a "community" within the city of South Jordan. Either is appropriate to refer to the ballpark's home.
Being in boise, the fact I could drive 5 hours to see a weekend home series of my favorite team is pretty cool.
LoL Have fun rooting for your Garbage team....
Extend the lease at the Coliseum.
CAn tehy still build Howard Terminal?
What about the fact that the Bees are a division rival minor league team. Do the Angels need to agree somehow? Will the Bees abandon Salt Lake leaving them with 2 empty stadiums? Probably depends on the Bees contracts with the stadium groups.
Hello double B, WTF? The A's aren't welcomed in Las Vegas, yet SLC Utah, is "leap-frogging" a team that a NEW stadium is being built for~but 7500 seats ain't cutting it! 🤣🤣 It's awful that the A's are leaving Oak-town, with the name: Athletics!! The fan base will never be like it was here! Thanks for this video~Ida
The owner of the new Utah ballpark said they would increase seating to 15,000+ and even brand the ballpark fir the A's
15,000 for a MLB game will not fly~the league is about LARGE AMOUNT OF PROFIT!! ijs@@GravityFalloutPines
I used to design ballparks growing up for fun on Auto cad. These renderings are a joke in Daybreak!! They could've done better than that.
As I mentioned most likely going to share Oracle for a couple years. Solution that makes the most sense and the Giants long ago said it was possible.
Salt Lake baseball fan here. Some insights:
1) The problem with Smith’s ballpark is that the clubhouse and media facilities are really lacking. There haven’t been many upgrades in the 30 years it’s been around. It’s also in a bad neighborhood with no parking, and limited transit options.
2) The Larry H Miller group that is pursuing MLB are also the owners of the Bees. They were also owners of the Utah Jazz until 2020. They used funds from the sale of the Jazz to buy Daybreak.
3) as someone pointed out, the population of Salt Lake County is about 1.5 Million, but the population of the area an hour’s drive from the Daybreak stadium is closer to 2.5 million.
4) yes, you pronounced Wasatch correctly.
Number 1 is probably the big reason the As can't consider Smith's. MLB has minimum facility requirements for players and press and more that the new park, being built already to surpass the new MILB facility requirements for 2025, is probably much closer to.
Options are nice yet the biggest factor is A's ownership with John Fisher.
If / when he moves out of Oakland, he can kiss some revenue bye-bye.
A TV and radio deal will be on the almost nonexistent range. Revenue sharing? Not anymore.
Salt Lake's Smith's stadium is gorgeous, and the views are special...and yes, I saw some Bees games there.
SLC will offer Fisher a sweetheart deal 100%. I'd say it would be easier to add an extra 10,000 seats.
The LED lighting can be an easy switch over, and the clubhouses will get upgrades.
Will Las Vegas be ready in 2027? And the team can simply wear the old English A's on home and away uniforms.
Perhaps the hats could give a nod to SLC or just the same ones they wear now.
Bouncing from half a home season at the Giants and Rivercat stadiums will never see the light of day.
Plus the Giants still cling to a notion that when they received territorial rights they became true a-holes.
SLC will give Fisher time and money to be the viable alternative to Oakland. Las Vegas may come up craps.
Thanks for the informative videos Brodie! Hope you still keep up the flow of information!
FYI they have already said they would at least put temporary seating to boost the capacity to at least 11,500. Also you do know the Larry H Miller company that is pushing for the MLB team also owns the Bees.
That location is much closer to the population center of the metro area that downtown is.
Making the Bees stay at Smith field is hardly a slap in the face. Smith field is a very nice ballpark. If I were the A's I probably want Smith field. Parking and the area is what could be the issues. A's may very well want to stay in Salt Lake knowing the new MLB stadium is under construction on the west side of Salt Lake city.
They can be as aggressive as they want, and I believe that they're trying to make it happen. Any stadium less than even 30,000 won't be considered for a permanent franchise, though...especially without say luxury box suites, which I didn't see. Do these plans for the new stadium include seat expansion and room for additional amenities?
Another consideration about granting SLC an expansion franchise is would the Rockies and/or D’Backs approve an expansion team in their geographical rights area?
Arizona Diamondbacks’ split time at their stadium would be perfect…it’s close, will make a great rivalry and would draw more fans than they did before..
If they were temporarily in Utah would they change the name of the team? Like the New Orleans/ Oklahoma City Hornets
Yes, you said Wasatch correctly, and I hope they move to SLC and then stay there.
Definitely a strategic move by SLC to position themselves as a future MLB location. I still got to think, if they can't stay in Oakland (and Oakland has little motivation to let them do that for cheap) they will share the minor league stadium in Las Vegas (Summerlin). It is not ideal, but makes the most sense.
Manfred❤Fisher. A lot of bending over backwards to accommodate someone. Just saying.
Mlbs version ofSpanos Roger Goddell.
Smiths field was Dirks field years ago when they were called the Salt Lake Gulls. The city hasn’t really planned around it. Area has kind of gone down hill. No parking streets narrow. Great park and atmosphere in the park.
Day break is a horrible place to drive in.
Also, Salt Lake isn’t that far from Vegas. Zero turns required. If you’re doing a two stage move anyway, you could do it worse. There’s always a chance of getting some of those fans to come down to games in Vegas too after the tryout period, although I imagine that would barely register as a motivation
Believe attendance be better is walla washigton or Kalmazoo then in Oakland.
You are saying the Wasatch mountains correctly.
I guess the thinking on the A's playing in Daybreak is that it will be a brand new stadium and facility. Even though it is baffling that a major league team would play in a stadium with only 7,500 seating capacity. Everyone would rather they play in SLC. One big reason the Bee's were moving to Daybreak is to move them out and away from the ciry so SLC can get an MLB team and a new stadium built in SLC. Daybreak us already a thriving community in South Jordan which the Larry H Miller Group purchased the rights to. It looks like they want to build that area up more. People ro come from all over the state to watch the Bee's especially on weekends and holiday's and the stadium can and will sell out. However the die hard fans in SLC are definitely disappointed on them moving out of the city. Everyone is hoping that the state and the city will land the next MLB expansion franchise.
I am in Salt Lake. There are reports saying the Daybreak stadium could be built out to 11k seats if the As come to Utah.
i've seen that too in the last few days. 7.5k... 11k... we're nowhere near 35-50k of most mlb facilities that are sized that way to generate revenue.
I was born and raised in Sacramento, spent 5 years in Salt Lake in the 80s and the next 30+ years in the east bay. I still want the A's in Oakland. Sac would be 2nd choice, 3rd Salt Lake and the bottom would be Vegas. Can't stand that place. I prefer Reno which reminds me of Salt Lake.
The Angels should start looking for a new city for their Triple A team. Salt Lake City doesn't help them develop pitchers for a team that plays at close to sea level. Then if a team moves to Salt Lake they can have their Triple A team there too.
I think their TV contract requires the As stay in the Bay Area. Salt Lake is serious but maybe the As are not. Could it be that Salt Lake is being used by the As to get a better deal in Sacramento or Sumerlin?
I thought they already had this all sorted. I mean the plan was approved right?
When Hornets moved to OKC temporarily during the hurricane they were called the Oklahoma City Hornets.. and they hadn't even officially moved. So they would probably be the Salt Lake A's.
Oaklakd A's > Utah A's > Nevada A'
The A’s can go to Smiths Ballpark. The new yard is for OUR team dammit.
Also 6160 is about accurate for avg attendance for the bees. Largest stadium in the PCL
Given the As triple A roster it makes sense for them to play in a triple A park
Zing!
Play in Mesa as. At the spring training facility
How far is the new field from the airport? Cant imagine a MLB team flying in and commuting a considerable distance between airport, ballpark and hotel.
It's about 30 minutes which isn't fantastic but the drives in Utah aren't bad at all
But theres no Lofts or suites there in those minor league parks and Brodie we both knpow how much the A's love those suites
I almost died there Near Salt Lake City on mile marker 321 on i15s about 20 miles north of Salt Lake City. Had a seizure while I with working, trucker, and ended up on Ogden-SLC double decker commuter train came by and slapped my truck while I was still blacked out and had people trying to get me out. On my channel, made a short reel from the online article I found that posted it
Vegas has a triple A stadium.....I'd go for a day game. Near Red Rock Casino .
For corporate baseball, attendance is tickets sold, not how many showed up. I'd like to see both stats...
somewhat yes, but in the case of las vegas, money needs to be spent and taxed on site... to pay back the county's bonds. empty seats don't buy food, drinks, and merchandise.
@@brodiebrazil Season tickets and corporate ticket sales aren't taxed at the point of sale?
@@positively_broad_st3780 the point... ticket sales alone isn't bringing in enough projected revenue
The Las Vegas Ballpark (10K seating) in Summerlin has been voted the Best Minor League Park multiple times. Upgrading lighting and surface...maybe. But upgrades being obvious? The park is way above SLC and Reno. Sacramento is the same discussion for all the same reasons for not being upgrade ready. SLC is doing all the moving and upgrades for their own bid for a MLB team. And hosting the A's would add fuel to the fire.
mandatory upgrades: more clubhouses, playing surface artificial (grass won't hold up), lighting to mlb standards (replacement), and probably build out 3k more seats. it's significant.
The daybreak stadium is so small for a MLB Baseball team..it looks like a spring training stadium
I suppose the A's can borrow from soccer and call themselves Athletics Baseball Club while they're in a temporary home so they one, don't have to identify with a particular city, and two, make a splash christining the Las Vegas A's when they eventually get there.
Minor league parks wherever situated are always going to be much smaller than MLB parks so revenue streams will be adversely affected no matter where they locate. If SLC gives the A's the best deal and lowers their cost of doing business then I'm sure that will be enticing for Fisher. Player payroll will not be increasing anytime soon for the A's because they just aren't going to have the revenues to be able to afford it absent Fisher digging into his and minority owners' pockets to fund any increases. And that seems doubtful given Fisher's history. Vegas will be getting in '28 or later a pauper of a franchise so the A's and MLB's marketing departments will have to work overtime to make sure their arrival will be seen in the most positive light. Of course, watching shovels in the ground and cranes in the air will whet the appetites of baseball fans in the Vegas area. There's always something about a stadium or arena under construction that excites people regardless of a team's history. Shovels and cranes translate as "hope", and that goes a long way.
Media rights $$ in SLC v Sacramento?
I feel like if the A's do 81 games in either SAC or SLC, they'll take on the name of their temporary home for the duration. Compare when the NBA moved their team out of New Orleans for a year or two; they were the "NOK" team whose nickname I can't remember.
Wouldn't it make more sense for the A's to play in the larger (Smith's) ballpark and have the Bees move to their new stadium?
An interesting topic concerning mlb in Utah: can the bees move from triple a to mlb?
Players-- no.
Logos and colors? Possibly.
@@HHSGDFootballJPDI believe the Padres and Angels were minor league teams that imported their name to the MLB team
SLC metro area is not 1.25 million. It is more like 2.7 million. The 1.25 million is only Salt Lake County. We have several other outskirts that continue beyond Salt Lake County to the north and to the south, and it is one continuous metro area of about 2.7 million. More than double the 1.25 that people keep saying. We are plenty big enough to support a MLB team. We are also the only option the A's have where they would not have to share a stadium with another team. that eliminates a scheduling nightmare for MLB.
With current ownership that 7500 yard is par for the course. A’s need new ownership period.