RARE 1960s Electric Starter Kit You've NEVER Seen Before
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- čas přidán 15. 04. 2023
- In "Lawn Mower Mysteries & Oddities - 1960s Electric Starter Adapter", Taryl goes over this rare and odd adapter kit from the 1960s to adapt an electric starter to your lawn mower. There's a lot of things involved in adding this to your mower, so check out what all has to be done in this here video. If you have an oddity to send us, email us at tarylfixesall@gmail.com to see if we're interested. Now THERE's Your Dinner!!
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I told my wife this morning "guess what day it is ? " and she said " I know I know , its bucktooth Sunday " I about fell out of my chair ! Thank you for the great videos .
Bucktooth Sunday.......LOL
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That's interesting..... A friend of mine often refers to Taryl as "That fella from Yeller Tooth" - No dear, it's Podunk, Indiana!
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I tell my wife it's her favorite youtuber. Lol.
She's not into it.
As an old guy of 77 years I can tell you the late 40's, 50's and 60's were "Prime Time" for weird accessories and inventions for anything mechanical. Take a look at an old Mechanix Illustrated or Popular Mechanics magazine of the period for examples.
Not as old as you but 100% agreed on the Magazines on weird accessories
Yes this is true. Best time in history to have your crazy ideas made into reality. Anything labor saving,,time saving was thought about. Kitchen gadgets were a huge thing.
JC Whitney was great for useless gadgets for your vehicle.
@@billmoran3219 Oh Man i forgot about JC Whitney good one
Popular mechanics was for me about the best thing ever printed, in my childhood I took every chance to scour thru any copy I could find, wonderful memories, I’ll bet today even young folks would get a kick from them…,
Back in the late 60s my dad bought a Wheel Horse lawn tractor. It was a pull start and was a real beast to get started. He mounted a big electric motor to the wall in the garage and when it was time to mow the grass we would push the mower up to the electric motor, place a V belt on the electric motor pulley and the other on the mower engine pulley, plug in the electric motor, push back on the mower to tighten the belt which would crank over the engine getting it started.
You should restore an old '60s mower and install that thing on it to take to shows, etc. Then you could "fire it up, fire it up, fire it up!"
That spring loaded offset pin most likely also activates a switch within the unit itself. As you push the plug onto the two main pins, you're connecting to the power supply. Then, as you reach the end of travel, the third pin makes the ground connection and simultaneously pushes down onto a concealed switch.
From the appearance of the stator, it looks like you have a main (running) set of windings, plus, what looks like a shunt (starter) winding which appears to be around 90° displaced from the main. There could be a motor starting capacitor inside that bulky aluminium casing. This could explain the three wire/split phase arrangement - That would provide the 90° phase shift needed to set up a rotating field, which in turn is needed to induce the eddy current within the rotor, which causes the rotor to spin. It's basically a repurposed washing machine motor in disguise!
A very item indeed, I should think. I've been around for sixty five years, hanging around my dad back in the day when he worked on garden/horticultural machines, and I can safely say I've never seen anything remotely like this. Certainly seen a few mowers (Mostly with B&S engines) with the recoil removed and started with an electric drill.
Probably not much intrinsic value, but what a wonderful thing to find - A true collector's item.
Things weren't grounded back then were they. Im thinking the missing plug has a push button on it.
Excellent info!
I counted 8 pole sets I think, making it a 850-860 RPM induction motor.
The third pin has to be tor the switch only, I see in the video images that the wall cord is a 2 pin plug...
@@troubleshooter1975 Yes, and such a sliding-in pin would make very unreliable ground connection..
I never knew this existed. I am sure being under the mower deck this would get clogged with grass and eventually get destroyed.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
In Florida it would get sand blasted to bits and would rust out from salt.
Wouldn't make more sense to have a motor to replace the recoil on TOP, instead of the bottom?
@@elultimo102 my thoughts exactly. What chunk of crap under the mower. Had to effect the throw in tall grass.
Probably why they stopped making them!
You know, that plug pattern looks like an old appliance plug socket, for like a waffle iron or something. Wonder if an old GE kitchen appliance cord would work?
It reminds me of an old, 1950s/60s British, 'Swan Brand' electric kettle plug. Probably not the exact same plug. No one could be so lucky, but very, very close.
It was a Great invention for senior folks that had a hard time starting their mowers.
Barry Goldwater called this invention "The end of a decent and grunty America"
Looks like a widow maker, electrocuting the old man.
Or a recently divorced housewife who needed to cut her lawn.
Had one , it would not crank by itself,but it helped crank the mower.made it crank much easier..old stuff brings back fond memories when times were simple and life was good.
Can't remember the brand (most likely sears) my dad a beautiful turquoise rear 2 wheel engagement drive gears, side zipper bagger mower with a flip open crank / close handle topside of the motor with the start lever on the mower handle. Best looking mower on the block I'd say.
Induction motors tend to be weak on the start, but, once you get it past the compression stroke, it should have plenty of torque to keep cranking, until the mower finally starts. The beauty of this is, it can crank the engine for several minutes continuously if needed. (Perfect for a flooded engine!)
2-cycles generally cranked easier. I have a '59 Lawnboy model 3201 Iron Horse with exposed fan-flywheel. When it's warmed up you can put your foot on the flywheel and "scoot" it and it'll start every time.
Oh I've known about these since I was a kid- born in 65! My grandpa put em on all his small engine's!
I love the picture of the lady on the box with a smile on her face.
"Honey, look what I bought you for your birthday." 🤣
That’s great it’s found a home with somebody who can really appreciate it. Thanks for taking us along that starter kit probably cost as much as the mower.
Pretty cool video, never saw anything like it. Great invention , thanks for sharing Taryl.
Taryl looking into the camera "This is really odd." lol
Thanks for this video! I love seeing that old stuff! My Dad had an old war wound that messed up his shoulder, so he adapted a spline fitting on the top of our old mower engine so he could put a drill motor on it for starting. I’m surprised we didn’t have one of these kits on our mower! I really enjoy your content, please keep it going! 😁
We had an old washing machine motor with a v-belt pulley that was bolted to a fence rail, and the mower had same pulley instead of pull starter, as a kid, it saved my arm a lot of undue torture. Just set everything up, plug in motor and tension belt, the old Victa would cough and splutter into life, and off I'd go in a plume of blue smoke.
Wow! I remember my neighbor had one of these on an old mower. He cussed that thing every week. When he had a mower shop install that, he still cussed it. He broke the starter rope many times before he had that installed. Then, it still wouldn't start. Ha ha ha ha. One day my dad went over and freed up the choke that pulled out of the end of the carb and it would start instantly.
I remember my dad, big Tecumseh fan, had this mower with a wind up spring you push a button and it spins the motor over. It worked good. Wish I had that mower now. Dont know what happened to it but I remember syphoning gas out of the car to fill the mower and with the spilled gas we set the mower on fire. Maybe that's what became of it?
Durnit Taryl! (same vowel sound) I thought you were gonna put that on a mower and fire it up, fire it up, fire it up!
Wow, GE was the Bomb back in the day! What didn't they make! Thanks Taryl!
They had some of the best engineers in the world, lots of em, and they turned them loose to make all kinds of stuff. One thing was if a GE factory bought more than a few of anything from somewhere else to use in their factories, they would put a team on it and develop their own and really study to make a good one of whatever it was. Just about everything they made had documentation to explain how the thing works, including pictures of test points and normal range of measurments, you could learn a lot just from going through the service manuals. Now days nobody wants you to know how it works, they grind off the part numbers, pot everything up, put a computer on it so that if you replace a switch it wont work without plugging it in to the internet and paying someone to dial in to it to set a bit. They want you to throw the whole thing away and buy another. In those days the engineers ran the company, now it is entirely run by financeers that dont appreciate engineer's advice so much. I can't imagine this device living long under the deck of a mower. How long before stuff is all wrapped around that shaft? This one appears to be a well done bad idea. GE wasnt the only company of that vintage that was massively vertically integrated. TRW, AMF, Rand come to mind.
Yea the asbestos in their factories gave a lot of people cancer.
They made some STAGGERINGLY fast jet aircraft!
@@chrisacres and the minigun!
I think this was intended to entice the ladies to cut the lawn. No matter how hard I try, I can't imagine June Cleaver mowing the lawn!
Wild & wacky vintage kit. Thanks for sharing this!👍✌
Next video needs to be Taryl installing this on a mower
I wish we coulda seen it work. Is mysteries & oddities gonna become a new theme. It’s really cool
I had a self starter mower that had a spring on top, you flipped over the handle, wound it up, a strong spring, and slapped the handle down, it would turn the motor quickly, but usually not quick enough!
Yep, Dad had that same mower.
I remember those. What I loved about machines and appliances back then was there always was a startup procedure. Step by step, like a checklist for starting the engines on a B-17.
It's a 1960s electric starter kit from the 60s to start your chlorophyll stalk cutter! Watch out fluffy!
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I think if you examine that socket, you will find some numbers on it ... use those to find the matching plug.That "ground pin" might actually be a switch that engages when the socket is in place and fully seated.
The engineers at GE used to have unlimited budgets to develop this sort of products.
Automation was a fad and they cashed in on these things.
The Chinese are doing the same nowadays.
This is the best channel ever! Between the skits, the repair videos, and now the mysteries/oddities, I find myself looking forward to the next post. A plethora of information! I have learned so much over the years of watching 👀 your videos. Hope to make it to Indiana someday and meet you guys! Take Care!
And the sound effects!
That thing’s from another time!
It's a miracle that fluffy The rat didn't get to it because of the age of the box 😮
ahhhh 1960's musty cardboard NUM NUM NUM NUM NUM!!!! gooood eatin'!
Amazing technology for back
Then! Brushless motors weren’t common at all! Awesome video!
That is not a brushless motor - it is a standard AC induction motor (I think capacitor run), very common in the day...
LOVE THESE ODD BALL VIDEOS TARYL, KEEP UP THE AMAZING WORK
My favorite part is the three plastic gap tools. There's not a lot of parts out there today that will give you the tool to make it go smoother.
I love seeing you show us things from the past. I was living back then and absolutely do not remember seeing this on anybody's lawn mower or even in the store.
As always looking forward to watching your next video.
And I also make sure to hit the like button I'm most definitely a subscriber to your channel. I've been watching you for a lot of years. Not in a creepy stalker type of way. -)
I bet you had a Schwinn bike!
Outstanding historical piece. "Finger tip starting..." Love it.
Thank you for the FUN !
I do like the fact, that this works with no pinion gear or Bendix spring. you could run this for a while if needed, because there are no contacting parts to wear out. What I don't like, is that you can't change your oil, without removing this apparatus, then, having to re-align the air gaps, then finally re-install it, every time you need to change the oil. The only other option, is to tip the mower on its side, and drain the oil through the fill neck. (best done if the mower is low, or out of fuel) Something this convenient is only convenient, if it doesn't create an inconvenience! another thing I find with plug-in electric starting, is that it's less effort to pull the starter cord, than to drag an extension cord out, to start the mower. With the engine well tuned, it's faster just to pull the starter rope.
You were right! Haven't seen this before! An oddity indeed. Take the spark plug out and it would prolly cut grass😂
I love how excited Taryl gets over vintage rare parts 😂 These are always the best videos
I'm glad you mention you can make a plug up because I was watching this saying man it would be cool to see this on a 60s era mower
That was awesome! I can see why it didn’t take off since it’s so complicated to install and it’s never going to fit every application, but what a cool little slice of hardware history. I love seeing weird stuff like this!
That is so cool thank you Taryl
Threw about 6 of those away . No one was buying it . Number one most desired option back then was the crank handle modle wind it up and push the button and your motor would start.
GE was ahead of their time , with a little for thought it could have been the first electric lawn mower
The first rotary lawn mowers PERIOD were made by an outfit here in Kansas City IN THE THIRTIES. They had two iron spoked wheels and a kickstand at the rear.. A Ford V8 6 volt electric starter motor's shaft stuck out the bottom. A steel disc set-screwed to it's shaft and it had triangle sickle bar mower teeth riveted to it. All totally open, no shielding at all. A 6 volt car battery sat behind the motor.
The first GAS ENGINE rotary mower ever was one of those machines with a Maytag opposed 2-cylinder 2-cycle engine in place of the starter motor. A chunk of aluminum was bored drilled & tapped and it allowed the carburetor to be twisted 90 degrees so it could run vertical-shaft mode.
Are you listening, Taryl? I got the first gas engine rotary mower ever made ! If nobody else wants it I'll send it to you before I kick the bucket...
That is cool and odd .I would love to see it in action 😊
I absolutely love this 😊
I recall the starters where you mounted a cup on top of the flywheel and put a tapered rubber stopper in your electric drill to engage and spin it.
You guys never disappoint!!!!! Hilarious, and ODD, and a MYSTERY, ...all rolled into one. Looks like that thing would pose a huge electrocution hazard, and what about when that motor gets stuffed with grass clippings, etc.? FIRE HAZARD!!! Thanks, Taryl!!
It's not so much a fire hazard but back then a lot of electrical appliance where not grounded can you just imagine taking your mower out to cut wet grass and your mower stalled out so you dragging a cord out to restart your very WET push mower i would say you would get a good ZAP of electricity GE made top of the line products back in the GOOD OLD DAYs sad to say this Electric Starter Kit failed as soon it hit the shelves and was discontinued do to fire and electrical hazard
That is pretty wild . Making up a switch /cord 👍👏shouldn’t be to hard
If the motor was continous duty, with a long extension cord it would be a "plug-in hybrid" lol.
Great video taryl thanks for sharing
How long do you think that thing would last underneath a lawnmower before it filled up with dirt and grass clippings? Once? Twice? A month? How about the first time you had to cut your yard and the grass was a little damp?
That is pretty neat and odd. I hope this type of video keeps coming. There are a lot of odd and neat things from many fields that we don't see these days. Heck even now there are some odd and specialized things we probably look at and go yeah no to.
Cool Beans!! Thanks for sharing!
Old, rare and odd, what a combination. Sounds like some people I know. Cool video. I like seeing things like this from the past. Thanks for sharing.
Curious product. Nice work, enjoyed.
That was odd, and mysterious!
Pretty cool thanks for sharing…👍👍
Sounds about right. My mom had an attachment kit that went on her Kirby vacuum. It turned it into a bench grinder for sharpening scissors, knives and lawnmower blades.
Probably sucked....
Since it needs AC power to work seems like it creates a bigger inconvenience than it solves. Nice novelty item though.
The old Briggs and Scrap/um and Tekumush engines started so easily it's strange that anyone would want a starter. With the gas of the good ole days, if you didn't store the mower outside in the rain, it would start in a couple pulls even after setting for a year!
Kool piece of small engine history. Thanks for sharing it.
Very odd, very rare, very nice!
Keep them coming!
Great video. I like the attention given to vintage equipment. I never knew about this GE product. I like the humor too.
Really cool!
I all was 💕 watching your videos you always bring me up to date
the 1960's crush nuts would stop most guys dead in their tracks of going to the next step! 🤣
it's a shame they don't still do conversion kits like these....."Crapsman" just came out with a V20 battery electric start snow blower. I emailed "Crapsman" to see if they offered a conversion kit for the non-battery plug in electric start snow blowers to convert to battery electric start...and of course, they do not.
That introduction to lawn mower mysteries and oddities was hilarious! 🤣
This cool Tarly love watching your videos hello from Georgia
Starting the power mowers back then was fun. You'd take your hunk of clothesline with the wooden toggle on one end and a knot on the other. You'd hook the knot into a notch on the top, wind it around, and then prime the engine and give the rope a big pull. Then voila! Do it about 10 more times until the mower started. But it was still nicer, we thought, even with the gas fumes and the smoke, because pushing the old reel mowers was really hard when the grass got longer than 2 inches. You made sure you kept up with the mowing, that's for sure!
I’ve seen a lot of mowers and related over the years. Never seen one a dem! Slick piece of small engine history. Painted exact same color as the good GE electric motors back in the later 50’s up through the 70’s.
Is that an opening to a new addition to the shop behind the parts washer wall?
Back in the 80s I had a Crapsman self propelled mower with a Tecrapseh engine. It had electric start that I believe was from the factory. It had the 3 prongs for the cord sticking out of a panel on the handle and a push button to start it once you plugged it in. If I recall it had a more traditional bendix type starter. The electric start worked ok, the rest of the mower wasn't so great. The front drive wheels had gears in them that fell apart when the wheels got a little older and wobbly and the engine was always finicky. I let it sit for a few years once and decided to use it when my other mower needed a wheel and it fired right up when I put some gas in it. No ethanol back then:-).
You should reach out to the guys at American Pickers, they know a lot about rare things. And they loooove original packaging 😂
For a cord maybe a block heater cord with round end.
Yes i agree. Like caterpillar and cummins uses. Also ford diesels. Just cut off the aluminum nut.
Very Cool Taryld!
Excellent Taryl ! I know will Fabricate a Wire to get this to work I Really look forward to your content on Sunday Thank You
I wonder what a new version of this would look like ! Thanks for sharing !
The boss of the bosses Tera..... !!!
Cool segment
That is a very unique item but I can see a danger with it.When you plug it in and start the engine, the rotor spins with the engine and when you plug it in a magnetic field is developed to turn it but if the rotor is still spinning when you unplug it the magnetic field is maintained and it becomes a generator so there would be 120 plus volts at those pins on the mower handle the whole time it runs.
Nope. The reason it doesn't do that is because the rotor has no residual magnetism. Spinning a chunk of unmagnetized iron inside stator windings does zero-zip-nada.
@@patrickshaw8595 actually it does, if it is spinning while magetized as a motor and then kept in motion at the rated speed or slightly higher it maintains it's magnetic field and becomes an induction alternator if there is a capacitor in the circuit.
@@65bug519 There's no cap in this one - GE is smarterthan that.
Love you, you crazy American dude!
Omg my dad had one those!
did it work? or was it junk
@@Mike1614b My Dad had a Texaco service station and he also repaired and sold mowers. It was in a box brand new on the shelf and was never sold. Where it is today, I have no idea. Just when I saw the box it brought back memories.
My father did small engine repair for many years, I never saw one that I can recall and I’m 61 years young. Saw a lot of other crazy mowers and still have a few around like the flymo you fixed a while back and tiny riding mowers with 4 and 5 horsepower engines!
Awesome 👍👍
Pretty cool!!!
Heck, I just used my hefty 1/2" drill/socket and cranked on the flywheel nut. Works perfectly.
I think the spring loaded pin is actuating an internal disconnect switch to prevent the exposed pins from becoming live when the engine is running. Once the engine starts you’ve basically got a generator of sorts there so they probably wanted the pins out of the circuit. We didn’t really have grounding at most receptacles back when this was made, two prongs only.
Are you sure that the button in the plug connector wasn't a start button? Back then a ground wasn't always there.
Yeah, they relied on the human holding the equipment to provide a ground, 1 Ha
Amazing how tough stuff was built back in the day.
VeryVery Cool!
They would have been better off selling you and electric drill with a flywheel nut adapter for electric start back then...
A conundrum wrapped in a mystery! Yum!!
Love it😎👍
Oh please make a plug Taryl, wonder how it works in practice.
Very interesting. Probably worked pretty good. Good idea for a hybrid lawn mower. Works as a electric motor and when the battery gets so low the gas engine starts and what once was a motor is a generator.
You can charge battery off household current first.
Depending on battery one might get the common 1/4 Acre yard cut but before the battery craps out it switches to gas to finish your yard.
If you contact General Electric and tell them you are missing the parts from that starter kit, they will more than likely send the missing parts no charge if you pay the shipping.
More than likely there's nobody working at GE that knows anything about that kit much less send him the parts , but I bet they would get a big laugh out of the call .
Their MBAs would not have a clue what you are asking about.
That was a cool video Taryl
it's pretty cool. I would love to see you install it. it doesn't look like they give you much room. it's going to take up the hole shaft.
Thank you
Good going, Taryl - I never had even heard of this oddity !
PS - Did you ever see the 120V starter for Lawnboys that sandwiched between the rope starter and the engine?
The motor hung off to one side and a toothed belt and sprocket drove the starter dogs. That part also had the ratchet-pins on top so the OEM rope starter could still work if desired. About 1959. Used mostly on sno-blowers but would fit any C-series engine.
If I designed an add on electric starter, I would have approached from the same end of the crankshaft as the original pull starter.
Love the 1990's mysteries intro