SHOGUN Review - The Best Thing On TV, Season 2 PLEASE
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- SHOGUN Review - The Best Thing On TV, Season 2 PLEASE
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"Please slit your belly by sunset tomorrow." The kind of reliable classic Japanese courteousness I watch Shogun for 😂👍
As a long time fan of the novel (I read it in high school and its been my favorite book ever since) I hope they don't try to make a season 2. This mini series was fantastic as it is. As much as I loved it, if they try to continue it they'll only be making things up. I know the novel is based on the real life rise of the Tokugawa Shogunate, and future stories could be taken from that, but I feel like something would be lost if they tried to continue James Clavell's story. He did write an entire series set in this timeline that they could pull from. If they were going to follow up on Shogun, I would recommend they pull from that.
I agree with you except that his other novels aren't as good as Shogun.
It was outstanding. I wish there would be a season 2 but nothing planned. The story ended right where the book did.
Not true, hiroyuki sanada who is the producer did come out and say they can do a season two because of the history, it's all there, but there's no plans right now, you're right, but the story doeant end as it's based on historical events. But It is INCREDIBLE. I'll be watching it again tbh. Which I haven't done for ANY series In years
@@MrHReviews the show runner did a recent interview, so that’s where I got those comments from, but if Sanada wants to do MORE… I’m ALL IN
@@MrHReviews the showrunners have said they'd be insterested in thousand autumns of jacob de zoet which is 1800s japan when they kinda sorta reopened, if sanada is involved as a producer i'd be interested
@@ValliantRenegade one can only hope eh. Hiroyuki sanada OWNED this show. Truly one of the best things I've seen. 10/10 and I NEVER give out that rating
@@MrHReviews They could adapt James Clavell's ''Gaijin'' novel, which takes place during the Meiji Restoration-era and features a character who is Lord Toranaga's direct descendant and could bring back Sanada.
If there is a season two, it would probably be based on one of the other books that happens in different time periods.
The historical parallel pretty much ends shortly after the series ends. After the battle of Sekigahara, Tokugawa took the role of Shogun, eliminated his rivals and got the remaining lords in line. Eventually the Heir is eliminated, either by design or by coincidence, removing any potential rival.
And the only thing "Blackthorne" would do is implement a modernization of the ships, which the real life Tokugawa did by building up the red seal fleet that used modern European designs.
But beyond that the rise to shogun brings over 300 years of "peace", so there would not be a whole lot of drama to build off of for a season 2.
This series proves what a difference good writing/ direction makes.
Just compare Anna Sawai in ''Monarch'', where she was really bad and then watch her in ''Shogun'', where she's giving an amazing performance. It's like watching 2 completely different actresses!
If FX is smart, they could adapt some of James Clavell's other novels like ''Gaijin'', which takes place 250 years after the events of ''Shogun'' and features a character who is Lord Toranaga's descendant.
She did good for her char but to be fair she isnt ask to do much outside of being cold/sad fo whole show.
I don't think Gaijin would be something for a wider audience. It is to special. It is the same with the Hong Kong novels. I like them but i doubt many others would.
They stuffed up having Toronaga's son slip on a rock and die, that wasnt in the books and wasnt necessary at all.
The ending is so subtle and intimate. Beautiful show 👍
Agreed 🤝
For me! The new Shogun mini-series started out strong but kind of weakened by the end. It was good, but I still think the original 1980 Shogun mini-series is much better by far. How do I know? It's more detailed. It's more in depth. It has more action, less gore though. Also, I own the 1980 Shogun series. I've seen it at least 10 times. It's a great series with the ability to want to watch it again at some point. The new series I've seen once and I really don't feel like I want to watch it again. If you thought Anna Sawaii played Mariko well, and she did. Yoko Shimada played Mariko much better. Also in the new series it was more focused on Mariko and how she was the key to everything. In the original series. Blackthorn and Toranaga were the main focus with actual battles. I do think the new series is good and they left the end kind of open to a second season and they should do it! The final thing I'll say is if you love the series and you want more. Watch the original. You'll get more out of it.
Best thing that's been made in a long time! Take notes all you corporations!
i still have yet to watch the final episode. The ending of the penultimate episode had me on pins and needles until the credits rolled. So much the best thing I've watched on TV in years and years.
The story arc contained in the novel this show was based on has played out, it's done, so I don't see a season two at all.
As for this version, I have mixed emotions. On the one hand, it was cinematically excellent with superb visuals. On the other, I got a slight sense of style over content as I felt the heart of the story, a love story, was largely absent. What I feel gave the book and the original 1980 mini series such emotional resonance, was the love story at its heart. yes, Blackthorne was in love with Mariko in this version, but you'd hardly know it until near the end of the show. It was hinted at more than realized.
Parts of this version more closely matched the novel compared to the original mini series and others departed from it. Why, for example, change the names of some key characters? Fuji instead of Fujiko?
We also didn't get a sense of Blackthorne's struggle to learn the language. I was quite shocked when in one episode he reeled off some pretty good Japanese without us, the audience, seeing his efforts.
I also felt there was a touch of wokeness in the way Mariko was portrayed. Unlike the highly respectful and deferential Mariko of the book and original mini series, this one was almost sometimes cold, rude and argumentative. Not the way women interacted with men back then. Also, Mariko's English was far too perfect with not a trace of a Japanese accent. Perhaps this was done for clarity, but it lacked credibility to me.
For me, despite the excellent visuals and elements closer to the novel, this version didn't emotionally resonate with me at all.
There is no source material for a season 2. This essentially how the story ends in the book.
My Dad was a huge fan of the original show, too bad he's no longer around to enjoy this new retelling. It's really well done, he would have loved it.
my mom read the book and saw the miniseries in 1980, we watched it together and loved it
There is no season 2 as others pointed out. They did not leave it open for another season. It ends exactly how the book ends and the 80s adaption. They only way they could make a season 2 with the same characters is to write an original story. It's possible to create a series that say incorporates The Battle of Sekigahara as a selling point, but the rest would be Blackthorn building up trade and the persecution and murder of hundreds of Catholics as well as expelling all the foreigners except for Blackthorn and more Dutch. Lady Ochiba could feel it necessary to plot to overthrow the Toranaga Shogunate because she comes to believe that Yoshii Toranaga's son Sudara wants to kill her son. This is based on the real history with alterations. However, creating a compelling story from scratch is different from adapting one. Quite frankly, we do not need another season. Part of the reason it is so good is that is was a limited series.
10/10 for me, Anna Sawai was stellar. My only minimal gripe is that some of the green screen was a bit iffy - but they filmed in natural light, so. Just amazing.
i want Season 2 where its all about fuji doing nun stuff and helping john
This series was one of the best written, cast, and acted shows I've seen in a long time. I believe it was only planned to be a one-season miniseries. If we don't get a season 2, hopefully at the very least we'll get other good shows inspired by this.
I would be very surprised if FX/Hulu greenlights a second season. There's no more story to tell; the entire mini-series, on a whole, stayed faithful to the novel and the historic period of feudal Japan.
I think the show runners made it very clear it's only going to be 1 season
They did. There also isn't enough story left to fill out even 3 episodes let alone a season.
Ya, Nate is grasping at straws, but you can't blame him it was an amazing show.
@@xOubax 🤣 yep can't blame him for being optimistic after an incredible show
It was sterling work, things like Shogun and the Dune movies warm my heart and remind me that we haven't lost the art of good film/tv making yet.
I liked Dune but even that is of a lesser quality than this show. The fact that the show is based on actual history makes it better.
Actually Hiroyuki Sanada has lot of experience of the NHK produce japan history drama show, so if FX executive smart enough they should keep hire him to produce good quality samurai show or movies, japan sengoku era has lots of famous battle and warrior stories
I would love the makers of the 2024 adaptation of Shogun to do the same thing that the makers of the K-Drama Kingdom. They produced a feature length film entitled Kingdom of the North (2021) as follow-up to the series and it was a huge success. The feature-length film could be entitled Shogun: Sekigahara and show us the immediate lead-up to the battle and the conflict itself. I believe the series is the perfect build-up and anticipation would be huge because of it and the remaining cast would make it very successful.
great idea
Not sure how there even could be a Season 2...
Battle of sekigahara is a real historical event, a legendary battle. The show could follow true historical events, where the book stopped at.
The book follow historical events
It's hard to see there being a season 2. This was always intended as a miniseries but beyond that this went through quite a bad period of development hell so I'm not sure the creators want to go through another 5+ years to do another even if they could come up with what would be a original story. Also I'm a bit unsure whether it is actually doing enough in the ratings to justify its inevitably high price tag.
if there is something in the book for season 2.
not everything needs more then 1.
Hopefully season 2 features Lizzo & Jack Black as a couple because this show desperately needs diversity.
agreed.
KatREE Suckhoff has to hijack the spotlight from the main character and make the full range of her "acting" (resting bi***face and narcissistic smirk) through the whole season.
I still cant believe they burned down the only average quality show they had on Disney+
The Mandalorian was just ok and it was still basically the only reason besides the Simpsons for an adult without children to have the app at all and they just tossed it in the garbage knowing they had nothing to replace it with...
Disney is just wiping their asses with their stock... do not invest
This company is 110% no longer interested in profit. Somthing else is going on..
Jack Black is a treasure, don't hate
how come there wasn’t a black transgender lesbian samurai ?
How dare you!!!
😂
Thia series is absolutely astounding 👏 if this show and some of the main cast, don't numerous awards for this, then it's daylight robbery... A truly fantastic series that far surpasses most, if not all shows from the last decade...
This series, like the original one back in 1980 with Richard Chamberlain, wasn't meant for a follow up season. Both versions ended where the book Shogun ended.
This new adaptation is a self contained, single season "mini series" that concluded with Toranaga winning at Sekigahara and becoming Shogun by showing how his plan WAS going to play out, without actually showing it. The original did something similar through the narrator. Any new season would be drawn from historical events that took place outside of Clavell's novel as he never wrote a follow up to it. Not sure if they have any plans to do that.
Unless they're planning to write their own new story....Toranaga: After the Battle of Sekigahara: There's no second season to get out of a book that Clavell never wrote.
No, we don't need a season 2. This is a one off limited series unless they go beyond the novel and start putting elements that doesn't align with the series like what Hollywood does typically. Please don't encourage the studio to make a Season 2 if you're unfamiliar with the source material.
I lived Shogun, I looked forward to every episode. I agree with you, every actor played their role really well.
I'm on episode 7 and it's amazing, il wztch your review mate once I'm all done, defo needs a season 2 and I haven't even watched all of season 1 yet lol.
Anna Sawai was also in Ninja Assassin as the main characters love interest.
If you loved "Shogun", you'll love "Warrior". 3 seasons, 4th apparently on the way.
Edit: There are a couple of 'Warrior' tv series, you want the one based on Bruce Lee's writings. Set in the 1800's I believe, America building the railroads. Chinese vs Irish vs American vs their own internal gangs etc. Brilliant show.
I stopped watching the show during season 3 when there were two same-sex scenes in one episode. I fast forwarded the first with the two men in the nightclub, then the two women sitting in the field, then I wondered what this show has to do with Bruce Lee and then I decided to never watch the show again.
@@Drenicalifornia It was still done done well and didn't show what could have been shown.
@@Drenicalifornia I just have to add, the show has nothing to do 'with' Bruce Lee. Never did. It is based on the writings 'by' Bruce Lee.
These two shows have nothing to do with one another. Also Warrior is hilariously woke
The new Disney+ series of Shogun is great, and it got better and better with each episode. It was well directed and edited. Good cinematography. A good cast. Outstanding writing and compelling storytelling. The new Shogun series is so respectful to James Clavell's novel. Shogun is The Last Samurai meets Game of Thrones. The best TV series/online series we've had in a long time. 🏯 🎎 ⚔
I just bought the book to read on my holiday (in Greece- bit of a cultural clash lol) in a few weeks' time. I won't be able to see anything in my head but the world already created by the TV show, and ofc I won't be able to see anyone in my head other than Hiroyuki Sanada as Toranaga. ❤
Wonderful, I'm so looking forward to it.
Check out the 1980 mini-series if you can, with Toshiro Mifune as Toranaga.
I can’t find the mini series anywhere.
@@doublep1980 I think I will. Although.... Richard Chamberlain looks like my ex, so may have to grit my teeth ;oD
Thank you for your two cents. Need to go back to it, I kinda left it after 4th episode, to wait until the season's completion.
such a beautiful series, i would love a second series. Anna Sawai deserves ALL the awards for her role as Mariko-sama
I completely agree. She was mesmerising
This show reminded me of early game of thrones and I think that’s why I love it so much.
I think if the continue this as an adaptation of James Clavells Asian saga I think that could work
there you go, that's the sequel
The creators already said there's no plans for season 2 as the story in the novel ends just like season 1.
They concluded the book though. It's done.
Great show. Best I've seen in awhile. I highly recommend it. There's a CZcamsr called The Shogunate. He reviews this show along with telling the real history.
Season 2, if it ever happens, wouldn’t make sense to directly follow within _Shogun_ ‘s timeline since a relatively long peace follows Toranaga’s/Tokugawa’s victory. I continue to recommend this creative team do its interpretation of _Lone Wolf and Cub_ as a sequel, given it has many themes related to those in _Shogun_ , is set in the Edo period that follows the events of _Shogun_ and would be pretty much a sure hit if done with the same care as _Shogun_ was.
I hope they're able to do a season 2 and maybe adapt Clavell's other novels to the screen. I'm eager to start reading all of the books once I finish Napoleon: A Life and The Book of Quint.
I am not so sure I want season two. It ends perfectly: we know Toranaga become Shogun without a war, Blackthorne goes back to England as a rich man haunted by Marikos death and Japan is at peace for the first time in many years
Cool, hopefully I'll be able to watch it at some point.
There never will be a season 2, atleast not of this particular series.
Altough it would be a blessing to have the team and their craftmanship behind this project, to be able to continue on something new.
As Shogun dealt with the beginning of the Shogunates and 250 years of peace, it would be interesting to have a series about the end of that era and isolationist Japan, and the start of the European meddlings in Japan.
Even though the show followed the Novel and a one time "Event". They could easy follow up with a season 2 if they wanted. Yes they wont have a Novel to follow in season 2, but if they respect the historical events for that period and make a season 2 that continue the Toranaga story. There is ALOT there. Just saw a documentary about the sekigahara Battle and what comes after that is Crazy. Lets just say the HEIR Ochibas Son gonna have a big roll to play in that when he grows up, and Ieyasu (Toranaga) has to ACT upon that.
I just hope, they will have a bigger Budget. I dont need huge battle VFX heavy scenes. Just more "Extras" so it stays realistic. and it will be fine. Maybe more Actually Real location shooting in Japan would be great also.
Doesn’t need a second season, especially given that it ends the same way the book did. Flowers are only flowers because they fall.
I will rewatch this show many times for years to come
As much as I would love a 2nd season I really hope they don't make one. It so perfectly folds around on itself with emotion of loss and letting go "Flower's are only flower's because they fall."
i know they said no season 2 as the novel was covered but money talks in TV & Movies. no reason they couldn't do a sequel series that shows the build-up & aftermath of the big battle.
I guess they COULD continue the story by basing it on history. But if they don't want that to feel like a documentary, they'll have to figure out a new storytelling formula because they won't have certain characters from this season.
The attention to detail, having Hiroyuki Sanada as producer made sure full respect was paid to authenticity. I’ll also watch anything he stars in, because he elevates anything he’s in.
Also, Anna Sawai was exceptional, after being so underutilised in Monarch, she really showed with a decent script how good she really is.
Yes. Shogun was a truly amazing show in every aspect. Most actors and actresses were really able to shine, even Anna Sawai that in Monarch was weak or average at best delivered a really amazing performance.
And it deserves a season 2 but only if it's to be done right. Because if they're going to go with diversity bs then they might as well leave it as it is.
Want to know how Toranaga's plan worked out. Google The Battle Of Sekigahara. Toranaga in real life was Tokugawa Ieyasu.
We don’t need a season 2 there’s no story left to tell
I liked it, the main actor had a strange take on his character and at times he seemed drunk or something, maybe just the way he carries himself with that expression on his face.
Took a look at it based on this opinion. So far it's got a couple rough spots but otherwise expertly told classic story. Jarvis is amazing at that constantly bewildered look. His performance is stellar as is the whole of the cast. Atticus Ross did the score. Bout half way through and I'm gonna be sad when it's done. Dune and now this. It's been ages since I've seen good motion pictures. Very refreshing.
I love the 2024 adaptation of Shogun. The acting of Hiroyuki Sanada as Lord Toranaga, Anna Kawaii as Mariko as Mariko and Naikaido Fumi as Lady Ochiba is brilliant and they fully deserve Emmy Awards. The production design and costumes were both era accurate and gorgeous and the cinematography texturally rich - all were feature film quality. Shogun is one of the very best series to be released this year and I highly recommend viewing it.
Definitely hoping for more absolutely I haven't enjoyed a show this much sense Vikings started out on History which I loved. I love the acting, characters, story, and depth from start to finish. If all the numbers come back as positive I don't see a reason not to get more even if it's based off one of the later books of the three book series.
There isn't enough story left for a season 2. It's over.
Completely agree the best thing I’ve watched in ages & also loved how we had to wait each week but sorry to break the bad news according to an interview that Justin Marks gave they finished the series exactly where the book ends & they are leaving it as that as the creators loved how it ends leaving you wondering, even though I would love a season 2 the book series they are based on aren’t sequel books they are done in different eras of Japan so if they did they would either have to write a series based around the characters or just do the rest of the books in the different ages they are set. I think book 2 is based around 100 years later & one of the later books based around WWII
One minor nitpick I have is we did not get “The Battle of Sekigahara”.
I get it would have blown up their budget but if money were not a factor, it could have been awesome.
But that’s what Crimson Sky addressed. The only way a big battle similar to actual history would’ve happened is if Crimson Sky had failed.
Love both, I like the 1980 tv version better, had more time longer episodes, both are great. When it aired in 1980 over the course of I believe a week, it was a fever!
The 80s version deliberately amped up the role of Blackthorne at the expense of the other Japanese characters, thus creating a Western bias much stronger than what you get reading the book. It is therefore much less authentic and even a bit cringe in places. I still think it is a decent version, and their Mariko was excellent- but honestly, it is nowhere near as good as this newer series.
need to make a video on "what is good acting".
Also seems this will get the silk road treatment, one season, nothing new to be said in anew season it would seem.
Great show! Sad it’s only one season
“Season 2 please”
They made the right decision not to have season 2 because the story is over like in the source material. If they kept going, they would fail to maintain quality and then self-destruct like Game of Thrones.
I saw the 80’s version and this one I want season two
Shogun is peak television. The persistent emotional pull without relying on over the top action is a testament to the amazing talent of the writing team.
Not normally in my sphere, but I checked this out. It managed to take the original series with Richard Chamberlain up a notch using less exposition. The series ended right were the book did, so I'm not sure if a season 2 would be viable without the source material. Tai Pan would be a good adaptation though, if made in the same style.
Fully agree. A 9/10 series for me. Exceptional. It's also so refreshing to see female characters done RIGHT. I don't expect a second season but who knows after the success of this one. They may tackle other source material of feudal Japan.
Absolutely loved the show. Hope we get more like this in the future, but it does seem like it will only be a one season show.
I watched the 80s version as a teenager and loved it. But this version is chef's kiss, with profound dialogue, a multilayered plot , astonishing and nuanced acting and very high quality production value with detailed sets and costumes...truly epic. It is most immersive and I consider it to be on the level of Lords of the Rings. It is a masterpiece.
Ya it was incredible. I think it’s crazy not many content creators are talking about it.
Loved every minute of it :3
Great review - sums it up IMHO. It was really outstanding and original compared to most of the stuff made these days. The actors did a really great job.
Very good. Best thing so far this year is 3 Body Problem
Agreed, started watching after your recommendation. Your right best thing on TV right now
Is it open ended for a season 2? Ir is this a 1 season story?
While I would love to see a continuation of the story I find it really hard to believe they will make a season 2 given it is based on a book. I can see them adapting the other books in Clavells Asian saga though.
they cant make a season 2 as they did the entire book and the producer said there was a full stop at the end,
I always suspected Taranada to be a power hungry politician, but I guess the title Shogun made that obvious.
I have to admit that, I couldn't warm to Blackthorne because he seemed goofy and his contact lenses just don't look right?....
However, I've never felt so sad to see a show come to an end. I want season 2 but, there shouldn't be one. The story is told.
It will go down as one of the greats!
Love the DATSUN sign, by the way.
The finale delivered perfectly.
8:21 i'm going to start the book soon, i'll let you know
i heard they made an alternate ending of shogun.
Fantastic show! There has to be a second season because it's only part told.
Did what it said on the tin. Showed guns!
As much as I want a season 2 I don’t think this show really needs one. Jonathon Blackthorne went though his character arc and we already know the outcome of the war.
i love it it was by far the best tv for years , i wish they would make another season or seasons right up to 1615 right up to the seige of oaska castle
I enjoyed it immensely. Totally immersed in it, and will be watching it again and again.
I want a Season 2 because if it's good we get another great Season of TV but if it's bad doesn't matter cause we still have Season 1 so it's a win win nothing to lose but something to gain
It was an 8/10. Good enough for me to come back for S2, if they make it, hopefully.
The only Modern television shows I’ve watched and loved are The Bear on Fx and Ryan Johnson’s Poker face. Two excellent pieces of tv and I’m literally 21 years old. I haven’t been brainwashed to think that all of the garbage they put out is actually good. I’m currently watching a show that ran from 2002-2007 I believe called The shield. Something about tv from then is better than pretty much everything that’s made today.
It was a phenomenal series... from the look of the show, the costuming, the acting - and the fact it was an authentic representation of the period... i.e., Japanese people, speaking Japanese... no DEI inclusion for the sake of it!
Hopefully we get a season 2... although, I was gutted Mariko and Yabushige won't be in it - unless we get flashbacks.
I see your comments are switched back on..
Mr.H I agree 100%, it is ABSOLUTELY THE BEST thing on TV.
Yeh it was fantastic. My favourite show of the year so far!
No season 2 please. The show ends just as the book does. I've zero trust in writers today to pull from their own ideas. It was a perfect season, let's leave it there.
For those who are hoping for a Season 2… before the series started, the producers said it was a one off mini series. Sorry for the bad news