Testing "The Best Paints In the World" to see if it's a lie
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Everyone misses the “probably” bit. We “probably” made the best paints in the world. If you dig into our release content you can understand why we say that and how we measured that in the development. Thanks for the review of the new range. We hope that hobbyists get to try them and love them as much as we do. ❤
I also remember an entire video segment addressing the tension between "best paint in the world," and affordable prices. The idea was clearly: "our best possible paint without abandoning affordable prices."
Wow Backpedaling already 😅
I'm still ordering the box when I get my paycheck
I still give you guys mad props for making hand sanatizer during the pandemic. IDK if I'll buy your paints, but some of your other stuff for sure.
I applaud you all on your business decision. You took an honest look at the current state of your product, came to the conclusion that it was substandard, scrapped it and drastically improved it. I purchased my Fanatic Complete set and am eagerly awaiting its delivery.
I mean no one is gonna go out there and say “Yeah our new paint? Mid” lol
'It's okay, you don't need to buy it'
"We use Vallejo ourselves anyway"
The correct quote would be “our new paints are some of the best in the world.”
@@jameskillbot2867 I think when you were one of the worst in the world you probably want to go as far in the other direction as possible 😂
@@electo21You've killed me xD
Not sure if you watched any of the promo videos before launch where Army Painter got pro painters to try out the Fanatic line. In the videos, the painters praised how much better they are and just repeatedly trashing how bad their old paints were, and Army Painter just sat there taking it. They know how bad their old paints were. I give Army Painter props for leaving in the trashing of their old paints.
I think the biggest pro of this is that Army Painter is one of the most available paint lines out there and also often the lowest cost. This means a lot of new people to the hobby buy them. With the old paints, it probably turned a lot of people off the painting hobby because of how bad the paint jobs would come out and how hard to use they were. Having this new line is important to for that reason.
Exactly! And the fact they were brave enough to go see those painters shows what it means to them as a company. I love what they have done and enjoy the shit out of the new paints. Plus, it's easier to get a hold of than any other brand.
@sbip88 not convinced tbf, they had a lot enter their team... Making the 'review' part absolute bollocks
At least old AP were budget friendly, seems that these aren't
@@OldManRogersThey were budget friendly because they didnt have pigments lol.
@@OldManRogersYou get more paint per pot for a lower price than Citadel paints (which is probably the most used brand out there) - and fanatic paints being usually thicker also means that you can (and possibly should) dilute the paint you have a bit more thus having even more mL worth of "paint" to actually paint with.
Im glad i can consider Army Painter as a viable brand of paint again, they are some of the most easilly accesible here in Scandinavia, but their old range was just a nope. Happy they've stepped up.
That sweater is the perfect talking point for any family function.
Its usually something I say to a girl on the first date at Applebee's
@@ShowerOnceYearly "And that kids is how I met your mother."
Could be their statement about being (probably) the best paints in the world, is just a fun jab at Carlsberg, that claims to be the best beer in the world (probably)?
Both companies are from Denmark afterall :)
That yellow actually looks really good. I'm really impressed with the coverage overall. The range as a whole seems pretty solid.
I can’t believe he said AK Interactive was cheaper than Army Painter, nothing about AKI is cheap in the slightest
I dont know where you live but its around 2,75€ a bottle. Not cheap but cheaper than the new Fanatic paints
@@alternate3787 over here if you buy the army painter sets the stores here will give a discount, making AKI more expensive. AKI also sell their paint sets packaged very differently so the army painter sets gives you more mileage because they cover a wider spectrum of colours.
Hey Zumi,
I just purchased an Army Painter mega set. I used to just buy my paints by color as needed, but I was recently in a motorcycle accident and shattered my leg, so I’m not very mobile right now. I needed a good set that wasn’t too many paints, but still had a good span of colors, which is why I went with this set. I was concerned though, about previous AP reviews. Even though you didn’t think AP is the ‘best in the world’, your review at least gave me confidence that I made a good purchase. Thank you! 🙂
Hope you recover well soon there mate
@@terrydactyl2077
TY. Every day is a little better than the last. 🏍️
When someone gives a bad review of a product, as a company when you make a revision, that person should be on the priority of people to send to.
Because if that person gives a good review of the new thing, then you know you have a winner.
that little color triad gauge on the bottle is a great feature for colorblindness (except when theyre mislabelled, like the "magenta" and "pink")
Don't worry. They probably won't see the difference.
@@pawe6199It's me. I am they.
@@little_isalina joke's on You then, please don't kill me 😅
We can see it , we just can't identify it
The triad system is relative to itself. That’s why underneath the graphic there is what triad it belongs to. I guess i don’t understand what the heck you’re talking about.
I thought the same thing. I think he must not have understood how it works. Feels very intuitive to me.
I rode the hype train for the entire marketing campaign lol. I know you are pretty biased against them so I was really looking forward to seeing your review of the new line! The fact that you used to have them as "dog****" and now consider them around C to B tier. Thats a huge leap from a tough critic, and they can consider it a win lol.
"Best" is better pronounced as "boast" and its not opinion or fact so much as advertising lol
Solid review! very fair and thorough. I think my biggest takeaway wasn't about the quality of their product so much as the quality of their effort to elevate their product.
Just ordered a Mega Set too and this is the most critical video I've seen about these. Thank you. I'm still excited for it to arrive 😊
Hey Zumiko thanks for all the great content.
I look forward to try it out. 🖌
Exactly what i had in mind, also i need that ORANGE and yellow and a few grey-greens.
Good video, honest opinion and the same conclusion I have come to based on various reviews. Pick up some colors as you need them and, in my case, grab the new washes and a couple of the effects paints. Thanks for the video.
There are reviews of this set everywhere and they always say they got a complementary set from Army Painter. I appreciate you spending the money so could make an unbiased review of these. Well done!
I just gotta tell ya...NO other content creator makes me laugh like this. Nearly choked to death on my coffee. 😂😂😂
Was hesitant on picking up any army painter paint after a bad first experience with their original speed paint but keep hearing more about these and might keep an eye out for a few colors if I happen to see them now.
great video. subscribed. imagine an actual honest opinion! crazy. Love it.
As a starter (and a bit colourblind) hobbyist, right now I'm more interested in their triad system rather than any other feature. If other brands implemented a clear system and maybe a consistent naming convention, well, that would be very interesting! Great video, as always!
As a non-colourblind painter I agree, because what the hell AK "grey blue" and "blue grey", I use one of these and I don't even remember which one it is
Ty for your honest review
The triad is genius. I'm a new painter and having a gradient of paints ready for me to learn and work through removes a whole lot of anxiety for me. I don't know why more companies don't do it.
Hi Zumikito - what paints would you recommend if you were to put together a set for Vallejo and AK interactive? :)
Great sweater!!!
Did you try out the new Game Color range by Vallejo? I loved them, but the more I used them the more I noticed a bubbling issue. Pretty sad, might switch to AK since I really love their pastels set
Thanks for this review Zumi! Really great points and arguments related to the claims!
My only problem with their new sets is that you don't have an entry level set with just 15-20 colors including metallics and washes. Instead you have to buy the monster set with 50 colours for 150+ bucks.
EDIT: False information. They do have a starter set. Its just not on Amazon yet.
Liked and subscribed for the jumper because as it turns out i too also like rimming...
Zumikito merch is making me double check what kind of merch i browse with those slogans
You'll be put on lists!
i really didnt like just how negative this was. it seemed your previous experience with army painter color your experience. They improved alot, Speedpaint and air paints are fantastic paints aswell. it seemed like you where reading for reasons to not like these.
yeah the complaint about the triads not working between triads feels just illogical
@cblack04_92 it's to make the point that the triads are helpful for beginners but not advanced painters, having a preset value scale for a colour is very helpful for beginners but it's not something that'll be helpful for people who've been painting for years so know how to work with their colours.
The cross-triad thing seemed a bit left-field, but I don't see how anything he said isn't fair? Mirrors some of the comments some of other reviewers have mentioned to me. Things like the paints being pastel from added white/grey/whatever, that's something Juan Hidalgo pointed out as well.
If you're not prepared for reviews of things you like to have negatives, maybe don't watch reviews.
When you make claim that you're selling "the best product", you shouldn't complain about being held to high standard.
I see that you are fan of the Spanish acrylics. I also use Vallejo a lot. I still need to try more of AK, but I love their rust/verdigras/moss effect emanels.
So refreshing! My experience so far - opaque over dark if glooped straight from the bottle. Thinned to a workable consistency, AK 3rd Gen perform much better.
I would really like to see green stuff world paint review from you!
Did you apply them without thinning them ? Or did you thin it with water or medium?
I think I'm going to stick with pro acryl for now too. I had thought maybe with how much hype these were getting they'd be the best on Earth. I might try out their metallic since they're doing a Vallejo metal flakes in the paint style thing
Hope these make AP more available in stores.
I have tended to use them over Vallejo and citadel, mainly due to price as my core colours, I like citadels technical paints, and really the only Vallejo product I buy is the plastic putty it's my favourite gap filler for minor gaps. But for paints unless I need a very specific shade like a military uniform, AP I feel once mixed up properly did the same job cheaper. I also like APs brushes for price to performance.
Another brand that does well is SMS their acrylics are great too.
in terms of coverage this are better then vallejo? thank you mate
Have to agree, the old Army painter paints were awful, to say the least.
I received my new complete Fanatic Paint set this week, and so far, after trying a few of the paints, I'm enjoying using them, and the slight satin finish to some paints actually helps me see any mistakes I've made, as I'm partially sighted, so the slight sheen helps me see where the primer or layer paints are showing through.
I make my own washes/glazes, so haven't used the shades in the set yet.
However, the inclusion of new brushes with set has had me jumping for joy, as they include a detail brush, a larger layering brush, and a dry-brush too.
I'd never used the "Toblerone" handle style brushes before, after over 50 years of using just round handled brushes, and they are remarkably comfortable to hold/use, and so I may just make the leap and invest in a full set of these brushes now, as my painting hand doesn't ache as much after a heavy session after using this type 🙂
By the way, absolutely LOVE your sweater 😉
Where did you get it from, as I SO want one for myself now 😊
the some paints satin, some paints matte, is an issue for most of the good paints. it's just down to the material used in these high pigment paints, and how they react with the solution
In the US, AK and Vajello are either not available or the cost comes out to the same or more due to logistics.
I might have asked before, but what parchment paper are you using in your wet pallet, and what is the benefit of having extra paper between the parchment paper and the sponge?
sponge + paper towel transports the moisture to the top better and the parchment paper is from Tesco
So a thought, this brings their paints in line with more modern lines, in my opinion they are better than GWs line. They have a vert wide selection of paints to build from. Most likely this will compliment your favorites not replace them. As far as price goes they are still cheaper than GW and scale 75 and whatnot, especially when nearly everything is is going to be thinned at least 1:1 paint and water and the bottles are bigger. Then it is hard to beat amazon availability, which none of the other ranges seem to do. One of the negatives is their really bright colors tend to break down more when thinning to glaze like levels and so you have to use their mediums instead of water and they are missing some depth of color choices in their very wide range. Overall though they are a solid paint line that should definitely supplement your existing paints and should not be avoided like the old line. Good video, though i think you are more critical than I in regards to the line.
Good review
I've bought the complete set and I am really happy so far. As you mentioned, some of the colours are a bit on the understaurated side but other than that I like them. The triads help me personally because i suck at mixing colors conistently and end with slightly different hues that just look weird. If I really need to push contrast or need a really colourfull I still use Kimera colors, but they are a pain to use IMO.
Edit: My biggest critique is that you must shake them like hell (might be the problem with your satin black) otherwise they behave weird.
Yeah I've found that even my vortex mixer can't actually do much to shake them up properly, not at this thickness.
I was thinking about getting some Acrylic gouache colors and try them on miniatures.
Do it! They're a big step-up from most hobby paints. Liquitex Gouche and Golden SoFlat are both superb.
@@somerandomguy180 I use Golden SoFlat all the time! It's awesome.
What is this drop on the cap wizardry? 10:28 ? Is this a thing i should do too?
I do that to have see the actual sample of the paint.
Army painter is definitely cheaper than ak or vallejo here, but i love all 3 ranges. I ended up getting the complete fanatic range, and have no regrets. The "best paint in the world"was just marketing hype though lol
I originally misread this as “Tasting the best paints in the World” and let just me say I’m still holding out hope
Ive seen elsewhere that glazing can be an issue, that needs to use their medium to get good results - not sure if you found that.
Pro Acryl has that distinction imho. And ive tried most. So far Pro Acryl have been the best.
I searched for rimming but haven't seen any base painting for 5 days...
I was using AK (75 paints) and got the new complete set. I must say that I'm super happy with the change.
I'm quite happy with the new set, though I've noticed they don't actually have warm dark reds in there, their darker reds go purple real fast instead.
@@kanadaj3275 yeah, the reds could be way better. This is the only megative I have to say. Hopefully they drop more colors later :)
That's surprising, AK 3rd gen is very good
@@HappyDuude 100%, but I like these more right now (except the reds). Might be more colours I would change for ak later who knows :)
Excellent monologue.
From all the reviews and podcast I have listened to I get the impression that this is an update to compete with the new generation of hobby paint, not to surpass them. I'll try out a couple paints but it won't replace my collection of mostly Vallejo. All the buzz lately is mostly because Army Painter is readily available and apparently has good marketing. Meanwhile the new Vallejo Model Color range is about to drop in two weeks and I have yet to see anyone talk about it outside of the people involved.
I never had a worst time with army painters reds… like Christ on a cracker….. I love painting red and this stuff just never mixed well or covered. I hope this stuff is better
As a beginner mini painter I have to say that I absolutely love these paints
It's an interesting decision what they decided to include in the 50 paint kit, knowing theyve got the 200+ kit as well. You're right, 20% of the set being just blues and teals seems a bit extreme. They looke xcellent though tbf
They know we all only paint space marines anyway /s
@@kanadaj3275 Cato Sicarius has many shades of blue ya know
I laugh in Pro Acryl! Soooo good.
AK and Vallejo is almost impossible to get in my area. I’ll have to give army painter a try
I have such a hard time articulating what the exact style of lighting/shading is - bright, kind of like a Spanish thing? I really need some help to get to that
It needs to freaking come out already.
le seul avantage que je vois à cette marque et plus particulièrement à cet étiquetage. c'est que pour moi qui suis daltonien le fait d'avoir 6 teintes différentes qui soient repérées sur la bouteille, cela me facilte le choix des couleurs. mais si effectivement c'est plus cher.... je continuerai avec mes peintures habituelles.
Hmmm. I don't think that's what they meant by the color triad. Pretty sure triads are just meant to be used for a gradient within a single hue. P3 and other paints have done this in the past. I don't think it's anything new. But maybe I missed that pitch. Where I do think it helps is working with shadows that involve multiple hues.
Zumi is the best Warhammer CZcamsr who says "FUKKIN´DOGSHIT!" so passionate as noone else ;)
IDK if this was intentional but I got an Ad directly following "is called rimming" which made me laugh
Honestly considered buying some of these, but Vallejo has never failed to work for me
Outside of some colored metallic options, I've not been a fan of the army painter paints I've used.
Absolutely best paints I’ve ever had ! ❤
The speed paints from armypainter are realy the best, but for normal paints i also stick to valejo. Im glad my hobby shop has a huge shelve of them and i dont have to order it :3
Man I was waiting for a "different strokes for different folks" in there 🤣
Vallejo NEW game colors are still cheaper (online retailers) and better. A huge upside is the new Clear plastic bottles they come in as well. You can see the paint colors, what a concept!
AP paints are clearly more accessible so I can see them getting more sales in America. Either way it's good for the hobby when more paints are available and we're having these brand discussions.
Hey Zumikito are you that dude from Safe and Sound song?
Hey I can’t remember have you reviewed proacryl?
I have talked about pro acryl in the video about other paint brands, yes :)
The new paints are too thick for my purposes as I glaze a _LOT_ and thicker means I gotta put more work into my glazes.
Imma stick to my ProAcryls. Thems good.
Just bought a bunch of Vallejo. I always want to try out new products, but paints are too expensive! 😭
Very similar to Juan Hidalgo's arguments, and probably correct. Note that yes, Vallejo and AK are super cheap and available in Spain, but in the US.... they aren't. My local store sells AK for $5 a bottle. We also get them with major delays: The Vallejo XpressPaint 2.0 arrived to US stores this week, while Spain had them in November.Even when the stores theoretically carries them, the most popular colors disappear quickly, and aren't restocked fast. In comparison, I can get Army Painter products in basically as many stores as I can get Citadel, and often deeply discounted. That crazy complete set of 216 paints is 645 dollars down the street: I am not buying such a monstrosity, but it's two dollars cheaper per bottle than AK.
So as far as hobby equipment goes, pricing and availability varies so much, every visit to Spain includes a bag full of paint and brushes.
Yep.. I was looking for some specific AK colors and everywhere was sold out.. Except eBay where someone wanted double the price for each color. You'd think these companies would be working on their logistics...
Myslím si, že je super, že na těch barvách makají a zlepšují je na základě zpětné vazby. Jestli budou dál pokračovat, jednou možná nejlepší budou. Pro mě je to momentálně přínosné hlavně v tom, že mají ty seřazené triády. Jako barvoslepý jsem si tohle u ostatních barev vždy musel dohledávat a psát na papír, jak barvy k sobě míchat a jak je navazovat v odstínech.
Have you already tried the new Vallejo model color?
I totally agree with you
Always buy paints by the colours you need unless you're just starting out then get a set. Each brand has better and worse colours to others, or specific shades you use heaps so you dont need to mix them. Think i've got like 5-6 paint brands atm all have upsides and downsides
Better then Proacryl?
I went to Pro-Acryl a long time ago.
Army Painter are great right up until the point you need customer support... then it's a big nope. Lol
I'm not a big fan of the "effects" paints, would have loved for them to not be included in the set. I'd have loved to have the warm reds in the mega set.
I think a "build your own mega-set" option would have been really nice.
Man, I'm entirely behind that idea of building your own set. Would probably be hell on their packaging department, but I bet a lot of people would pay more (but less than if they got them individually of course) for that sort of thing. Might even be worth sending them an email about
Where can i get that shirt
Link is in the description :)
I dont know of you've changed how.uou have edited videos but I liked the editing in this video
I slowed down the pace, that's about it - glad to hear that
"From dogshit to dogshitn't" as a motto would be realistic, and likely sell them more paint
There's nothing wrong with the OG army painter set as long as you have a vortex mixer or similar. The OG ones have a lot of medium in the tops and if there not mixed well then yes they don't perform.
Pay attention to the newest vallejo paints, they are remaking the iconic model colour series
I don't know what it is with black paint, but it seems that unless you apply a very thin, almost watery, final layer it won't look matte, regardless of brand.
As for the 'best paint' part, there is no best range, it all depends on what you're doing. Best for the average painter? That might seem plausible. For youtubers and artists who have refined their techniques and want select properties from each of their colors? Less plausible.
There are in my opinion best pots or bottles of paint out there. Citadel's Retributor Armor is practically renowned at this point.
That's not how the little chart on the bottle works. It's specific to the color family.
Yeah he said his point in a bad way basically he means that these are useless for experienced painters which I don't fully agree BCS it's always a nice to have rather than nothing like all the other brands but that's my opinion
My big issue with a lot of the army painter reviews so far have been that no one says anything negative about them or it's a very minor negative and everything else is glowing positive. I think a lot of people were sponsored in making those videos
These really seem like a massive improvement to the old army painter paints (or more so, the older ones were just terrible).
But I’ll just stick to AK and Pro Acryl
I just ordered Pro Acryl for the first time after almost enirely using army painter. I hope it's as good as everyone says! The army painter white is so rubbish
Are you talking about the new or old AP ?@@WafflePrince
I was irritated when I bought their matt black and found it more satin than ether Vallejo gc or mc black.
Only AP thing I will buy is their washes.
Should have bought the complete set to test then LOL
My experience is they are not that much saturated because they prioritized the coverage so they added titanium white to most of the colors… so they of making darker color is by using other pot because they mix very bad with dark tones or black. (Edited: shit! You talked about it after I wrote the comment)