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What if South Africa Collapsed | Alt History
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- čas přidán 1. 04. 2024
- An alternate history of South Africa in which Mandela dies in the 80's, De Klerk never becomes president, and at the end of Apartheid the country collapses into civil war.
If you would like a video explaining the logic behind the scenario please tell me in the comments down below.
Music Used:
The Descent - Kevin Macleod
Failing Defense - Kevin Macleod
National Anthem of South Africa
National Anthem of Bophuthatswana
Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika
National Anthem of the Orange Free State
Rise o' voices of Rhodesia
Transvaalse Volkslied
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What If Russia 🇷🇺 never colonized Siberia and didn't expand East into Asia
Interesting concept, I'll look into it
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352Hello can you make a video of what if Irish Revolution never happened?
@@shavayconnell1437 Sure
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352can you make what if Napolean never rose to power (French Revolution still happens but Napolean doesn’t end it)
Or what if Napoleon didn't go into russia@@dblum
you managed to make the south africa ran by mandela seem good in comparison well done my dude
Shocking how quick South African politics deteriorated
Well he was objectively the best chance of Africa to prevent civil war and the last South African leader that actually did more than just blame the white
Ooooh this’ll be interesting. New scenario idea I had: “What if Charles J. Bonaparte (Jerome’s grandson, founded the FBI and was Secretary of the Navy as well as Attorney General) became President of the United States?”
The idea I had was for him to be William H. Taft’s VP 1908-1912, then run as a Republican in 1916 against Wilson. But if you could think of a better scenario I’d be all for it.
Wait, is this guy a relative of Napoleon? This would certainly be interesting
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 Yes. He is the grandson of Napoleon’s youngest brother, part of the American Bonaparte branch. And probably the most politically ambitious of them all
I'll look into him, he sounds like he could be a very interesting "what if"
In a few years you are probably going to add sooner in the title
If the ANC or EFF win this years election I probably will
Here are some suggestions:
1. What if the Malayan Emergency succeeded
2. What if the Eureka Rebellion succeeded
3. What if the UAR survived
4. What if the Saxons won the Battle of Hastings
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll get them made.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352but what about my interesting Kurdistan scenario?
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352please do my Kurdistan scenario already.
@@sammiev1918 I'll do it when I have time and when I want to do it, I get a lot of suggestions and therefore have a lot of videos to make, as I've told you before, its nothing against you personally, I shall get the video made.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352ok. Thanks for finally answering my questions and also planning to make the video for me rn lol.
I wouldn’t be shocked if some people get offended and leave scathing remarks in the comment section
I wouldn't be surprised either
I like this video alot, but you should really work on your maps.
Nice vid, can you make a scenario where the federation of Central America survives?
Yeah, I can make one about that
Great video
Thanks as always, glad you liked it.
Interesting video!
Thanks!
I see you are also a fan of The National Desk
Nice to see another one of your videos. Could you do a "What if Dogger Bank lead to Great Britain joining the Russo-Japanese War?"
Thanks, and sure I can make that timeline.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 Yay! Can't wait!
Can you do "what if my dad never left?"
...
Wait, I thought that Nelson Mandela already died in prison in The 1980s in our timeline. Next you're gonna be telling me that Darth Vader said: "No; *I* am your Father." and not: "Luke, I am your Father.", or that The Monopoly Man never wore a monocle or that it's 'Looney Tunes' and not 'Looney Toons'.
The Mandela effect in a nutshell lol
Mandela died after he was president in the early 2000s
@@antonvisagie5633 No, he died in 2013
@@yerjanyerbolatov9414 yes 11 years ago!!!!!
As a saffer its neat we didn't have a Yugoslavia type breakup but instead we have this slow decline. Guess that quote really was true
Suggestion: What if Austria Hungary survives?
Nice idea, I'll get it made
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 awesome! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
if asutria hungary aws to survive i can imagine outside force would try to influence ethnic groups to start conflict to weaken it
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 but it only kept the Austrian and Hungarian majority regions like transylvania and the sudetenland
Depends on the context, if WW1 still happens then yes, they'd only keep so much, if the Great War is prevented, all doors are open
video suggestion: what if the sykes-picot agreement never happened and arabia was unified
What if the United States of Latin Africa had been formed in the 1960s ?
Would this include all the Spanish colonies?
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 Yes, this includes Chad, Cameroon, the Central African Republic, the two Congos, Rwanda, Burundi, Angola, Gabon and Equatorial Guinea. I don't know if this scenario is realistic, but I would be interested to see how this country (which almost existed) would cope.
Is it possible u can do a video about what if Rhodesia joined south Africa
Yeah, I'll absolutely do that timeline
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 thanks and say it discovers oil on it's coast then it doesn't have apartheid show us how prosperous it would be since it have benefited from the oil crises how the blacks could have also benefited
mandela effect.
Quite literally
Yay a new video i love these
suggestion: What spanish empire survived?
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll get it made
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 Thank you too for all! and remember to watch out with the black legend of Spain, so you can made it even better without that de-information and so
It is curious that Spain itself was already planning to make fully independent governments in the Americas in the 1750s.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352Kurdistan scenario!
What if Portugal won the “Ultramar” war (translating into Overseas War) , more commonly known in the west as the Portuguese colonial war, or Atleast managed to prevent the 1974 Carnation revolution, considering the Portuguese military had landed a series of successful military off offensives in Angola, and even managed to cause a civil war within the Angolan separatist forces, having the UNITA faction (The largest right wing independence army) switch allegiances and actively contribute to the portuguese campaign, infact, the carnation revolution was caused by the fact that military officers and NCOs were angry as they saw their wages as quite low considering the amount of success in the Angolan campaign, not to mention that, with the Portuguese victory in the colonial war, Rhodesia wouldnt be completely surrounded by hostile nations, and infact share their entire eastern border with a de facto friendly nation, so its quite clear that African politics would be impacted ALOT, and i think its a video worthy scenario
I agree, it would've had a massive impact on the politics of the Southern African region and it's definitely video worthy.
Suggestion: What if Treaty of Trianon (1920) was less harsh for Hungary?
Interesting idea
What if Spanish Loyalists in Peru managed to hold out during the collapse of the Spanish Empire
I'll take a look, thanks for the suggestion
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 Thanks
Please make what if Soviet union survived next please dude 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😭🙏🏻
I'll look into it, depends on the point of departure
Hey would Cape Town lose water because in our timeline there’s was situation in mid 2018 in which Cape Town would be completely out of water with the city calling it Day Zero I wondering if that would happen and if Cape Town would actually completely run out of water in this timeline
I get the impression that there'd probably still be a drought as in otl, and some level of water crisis but not to the level that it was in our world, largely due to the fact that there would be no uncooperative relationship between the provincial government and the local government like there was in our world, the fact that due to the Cape being a separate nation its unlikely that you'd have seen the large scale immigration from the Eastern Cape into Cape Town that happened in our world (the population of the city nearly doubled in 20 years in our world) and the fact that the Cape government in this timeline would almost certainly have very good relations with Israel, a country that is a world leader in water desalination.
Could You Do What If The German Monarchy Stayed In Power After Losing WWI
So... DA the main opposition party in the Cape Republic? And what about panafrican congress? Is it relevant in Azania or not like IRL? And ACDP still exist? If yes, where?
I'd say the DA (or a party like it would be the main opposition in the Cape, along with maybe a Conservative Party successor as the small third party. The Pan African Congress probably gets pushed to the side like in otl though they might have slightly more seats, emphasis on slightly. I could see the ACDP still existing, they could be in either Azania or the Cape, as its possible that their platform might be more tolerable to the National Party in the Cape than say the ANC. I'm debating what sort of opposition there'd be in Azania, what do you think?
What if India was never partitioned would be a good idea for your next video
Good suggestion, I'll do some research and see what I find
What if the august coup in the USSR against Gorbachev succeded and it survived until today?
Interesting concept, I'll get it made
Pls make one we’re the First Mexican Empire survives and becomes a world superpower
Sure
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 gracias
How to get the maps?
nice
Hey I’ve seen you on discord
@@SNCY29 I think I know you too
Thanks
What if Japan’s Taisho Democracy actually survives to the present day ?
I'd like to learn more about Japanese history so I'll definitely make a timeline about that
I do have a question. Wouldn’t the South Africas old government used its nuke on the rebels in order to keep control? Since Klerk never became president in this timeline, that would mean South Africa wouldn’t dismantle its nuclear weapons. So would the Cape have nuclear weapons or would they have dismantled it after the civil war?
I doubt they'd nuke their own country, plus it probably wouldn't help the international situation. I could totally see the government getting rid of the nukes just before the UN intervenes, probably on a "we can't let these fall into the hands of the ANC" basis.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352is that Kurdistan scenario of mine almost finally finshed already yet?
@@sammiev1918 I've been looking into it and am struggling to find a feasible scenario to create an independent Kurdistan.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352well just try your best ok? Also watch alternate history hub's video about Kurdistan and look at my comment about what would happen in that scenario and also what I want to see in that scenario.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352like somebody can convince trump to not to listen to Turkey by guards or his security or by time travelers with the help of time travel and a time travel machine and it finally being official since this is literally a fictional scenario.
Neat
What if the Pig War had escalated into a full-on war between the US and Britain?
Interesting concept, could quite plausibly have happened too
What if Rhodesia survived
Next video what if trotsky was leader of ussr
I'll certainly get that one made.
I forgot to request another idea what if the Republicans won spanish civil war
What if Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
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Make what if the partition of india never happened please
Good suggestion, I'll get it made.
What if Vietnam was still divided?
What If Argentina 🇦🇷 Won Falklands War
Could you do a video about Kurdistan?
Sure
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352do my alternate history timeline idea related to Kurdistan already please!
What if Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose couped the British Raj
Cool
Rooting for kwazulu
Based boers
What if USSR didin't collapse and successfully reformed
Something along the lines of the Union of Soviet Sovereign Republics like the one proposed by Gorbachev?
E se o Vietnã do sul vencer a guerra do Vietnã
What if east germany had made the same economic reforms as China had done?
Depends on how strong the demand for German Re-unification is I guess, I'll do some research and make a timeline
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 thanks
video suggestion: what if Tsar Alexander II was not assassinated and decided to make the Russian Empire a constitutional monarchy in order to weaken leftist revolutionary movements?
A good suggestion, I'll get it made
alright, if its also alright that i add in some extra suggestions, i do have some:
1. have Alexander II live until the age of 90 (it was not very common, but it was also not unheard of during the time), so he passes away not long after his 90th birthday in 1908
2. have OTL Alexander III pass away due to different reasons in 1894, and following this, have Nicholas II receive a better education than OTL from his grandfather, that being Alexander II
3. have Alexei Nikolaevich Romanov (or Alexei II should he become Tsar) be born as the first child of Nicholas II and his spouse, meaning that he is born in 1895 rather than in 1904, and it is certainly possible that his hemophilia condition could not be inherited from his mother either
4. another good idea imo would be to have Bismarck side with Russia in the 1878 Congress of Berlin, and he instead chooses an alliance with Russia instead of Austria-Hungary. Friedrich III also never contracts laryngeal cancer in this timeline, meaning that he lives longer, and he forms the Quadruple Alliance with Britain, Russia and Italy, while France would later form an alliance with Austria-Hungary.
if you'd like to use these ideas, its up to you
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352do my scenario idea already bro.
Second Mexican empire survived plz
Sure
What if the Sino-Soviet Split Didn't Happen?
A fully united communist bloc... interesting idea
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352your better than the lgbtq mapper alt one
idk the "azania has energy crisis and economy is now dead and its an unstable failed state" seems out of nowhere, it was basically the world's new south africa being way more accepted as a true successor state and invested in than cape
Azania is pretty much entirely based on the South Africa of our world, everything that happened to OTL South Africa happens to Azania, only difference is this time it has no Durban, no Cape Town and at best only half of the people with economic skills and training that it had in our world, hence the prediction is entirely reasonable. In fact the sudden jolt from "alright" to "disaster" is pretty much what has happened to South Africa in real life.
Exactly what he said, South Africa has these exact problems right now, imagine if you amplified those issues.
We need a what if the Ukrainian Black Army suceeded
i would laugh
Why did you have to give the cape republic the racist flag
That's not a racist flag, it's the Afrikaner volksfront flag, which is basically the Transvaal flag just with orange instead of red. Had I given them the AWB flag then it would be been racist, but I didn't. Remember this is a Cape run by the National Party, not the modern proposal for a Cape Republic based on the Western Cape, hence I used a flag that resembled those used by the NP. Let me re-iterate, that flag is not racist.
@@patrioticbritishmapper8352 that flag is used by those who want apartheid back, mostly in the town of orania. The cape independence flag would have made more since
@@TheOceanChannel2 As I said this Cape isn't associated with the Cape Republic proposed by the likes of Capexit and The Referendum Party, this version of the Cape is one that is still run by the Afrikaner Nationalist NP, hence the flag makes complete sense. So no the current Cape Republic flag would not make more sense. Orania has it's own flag actually, and it looks nothing like that one.