These Two Superheroes Have The Same "UGLY" Costume
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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2023
- The superhero boom of the golden age of comics led to many a new superhero costume. In the case of The Sandman (Wesley Dodds) who had been more of a pulp hero it led to a bit of confusion. The Sandman ended up having the same costume as The Tarantula. This would be explained decades later in DC Comics All Star Squadron. Find out how these two ended up in the same purple and yellow costume here on Casually Comics!
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Which superhero has the best costume?
Spider-Man for me.
Punisher.
Rebirth Superman
I love Spider-Gwen's costume
the hood interior, the lining on the costume, and the bright blue shoes bring it all together.
Not a hero but Harley OG jester suit was perfect 👌 😍
When you go to the party and someone’s wearing the same outfit as you and you can’t leave and it’s just be awkward.
This makes me want cosplay with a friend as tarantula and sandman just to see if anyone gets it. XD
For women in that situation it's cat fight time.
Wow that original sandman design with the gas mask and the trench coat is actually awesome. I hope DC uses the character more just because the costume is so cool
I mean thats his costume in most modern things and yes its cool.
He’s getting a new series actually!
Your in luck+
He is getting a miniseries soon
His 90s series set in the 40s, Sandman Mystery Theatre, is being reprinted in compendiums right now. It also has some crossovers with Neil Gaiman's Sandman (and Morpheus's helm is based off the gas mask).
My problem with the costumes are not the colors, but the fact that they don’t have a logo. The simple addition of a logo would make it seem less generic.
Roy Thomas's mission statement with All-Star Squadron was to give a modern sense of continuity to the Golden Age stories that had no continuity when they were published. There area ton of little things like this that only hard-core Golden Age fans cared about.
In Secret Origins (1986) #7 he eexpplais how the Crimson Avenger gave the Sandman his knockout gas gun, because the Crimson Avenger originally had a gas gun then just stopped using it without any explanation in the Golden Age stories.
I highly recommend the retro reviews of All-Star Squadron by James Fulton over at Inside Pulse for more Roy Thomas Golden Age easter egg goodness.
That crimson avenger one seems pointless. It's good info but like a bad plot point with how senseless it is.
@@DSan-kl2yc That's typical Roy Thomas. There was one issue where he basically fills in what happened between 2 issues of some 1940s comic at a point when none of this stuff had been collected. He was the kind of pedantic fanboy that felt the need to explain every throwaway detail and minor inconsistency.
Sticking everyone in uninspired muscle man tights, a cape , and cowl, and worse of all, a fin on their heads was the one thing that I really hated about the golden age. I loved the Sandman's original outfit. Just something eerie about it. Even though wearing a gas mask for hours while also fighting and running around would be very impractical. I had to wear one in the military, and even though you kind of get used to it after a while they are unpleasant and exhausting. ( Trying to suck in enough air, limited vision, having to yell just to be understood, canister in the way and awkward, and sucking warm water from your canteen with the built in hose make it taste like you were drinking from a junkyard tire....good times.😅)
Everything you said is true, but consider; Wesley Dodd’s retconned origin in the first volume of Neil Gaiman’s 90’s Sandman series. The visuals make slightly more sense. Also, people in the 1930’s still had that image of gas masks from World War 1 in their collective consciousness, as something dark and foreboding.
To be fair, Dodds may not’ve been the most balanced individual………
I always imagined The Sandman's mask as a heavily modified gas mask made of metal that enveloped his whole head, more like a helmet, similar to Iron Man and Star-lord with a voice changing microphone and speaker and added visual enhancements. He did, after all, invent the sleep gun.
@@michaellangwaller if I recall correctly, the head part was a tight rubber hood ( blue part ) that was form fitting and exposed his whole face kinda like a scuba hood. And the mask it's self was a separate piece that attached to it. Still sounds horrible so I am all for retconing that. So long as he can fit a fedora on it.
I agree…IMO one of the most BA costumes was those worn by the Green Hornet ( Green Fedora, Trench Coat , & Domino Mask) & Kato ( Black Chauffeur uniform with Domino Mask ) 🖖🏾
I mean, is a hindsight thing. In the time Sandman came out it would have been seen as tired, due to pulp being more of a thing.
The connection?
If a poisonous spider bites you, you'll get sleepy... Forever...
That's not really true, spider venom is not that kind to a person as you would gather, from spy stories with their gun silencers and immediately incapacitating daze poisons.
You'd feel nauseous but be very much aware, you might get neurological damage or the bite mark could get necrosis and slowly kill you from blood poisoning. It's about as far from "eternal sleep" as you could get, and more likely you'll be living with a reduced quality of life for a long time.
Or get over it after the nausea subsides, usually related to heart palpitations and there's the connection to sudden death in some cases, that are nowhere near the norm.
There's about two species of spiders on the planet that present any real health risk to a human being. You're more likely to choke to death from accidentally swallowing one in your sleep than you are to drop dead of a spider bite. :)
Roy Thomas was reading and loving The Justice Society in All-Star Comics when he was growing up. He's always been fond of digging deep into the history and rewriting it to try and make sense of it all. So of course he's going to try to explain why Sandman and Tarantula had similar costumes!
I really enjoyed his All Star Squadron for the first few years. I don't know what happened to it.
Crisis on Infinite Earth's was designed to f--k over Roy Thomas and it worked.
Sandman Mystery Theatre was such a great series. I feel that Guy Davis artwork was a very big part of the attraction; especially the way that he drew Diane and Wesley as normal looking folk.
Dian Belmont's great. Love that in James Robinson's _Starman_ when she & Wesley Dodds turns up Jack's more interested in her and her post crime fighting career as a novelist.
Yes, All-Star Squadron - a.k.a. Roy Thomas gets to rectify every little continuity kerfuffle that bothered them 40 years ago.
And inflict new ones along the way.
@@KennAKALeo 🤣🤣🤣
I have your answer as to why they did this- Roy Thomas was obsessed with canon. He believed that anything that was on the panel it was canon and thusly needed a story explanation. He’s the reason why William Burnside/Steve Rogers was created. Same reason. Canon. There are so many instances where this madman took on these ridiculous challenges to make these things happen.
Unless it was something he himself decided to change. Then it was okay.
Ever read that issue of World's Finest where Thomas tried to make sense of all the "first times" Superman and Batman encountered each other?
I actually asked him what his original plan was to explain how Zatara, Guardian, Air Wave and Wildcat migrated to Earth One. He didn't remember if he had it planned out, but I'm sure it was on the drawing board in some form.
@@KennAKALeo Like the time he retconned Sun Girl from being a fun-loving adventurer into a pathetic wannabe secretary to a real hero. Apparently he was keen for everyone to know he was a misogynist.
I personally liked the retcon explanation , but I’m the weirdo who love’s continuity and how all bear little things connect
I also find it interesting that when Sandman appeared for the annual JLA/JSA crossovers way back in the day, they felt the need to explain why The Sandman was back in his original costume and why Sandy wasn't around. Sandy was transformed into an actual Sand monster because of a prototype sand-gun backfiring on him and Wesley just couldn't take the guilt of what happened and permanently mothballed his purple and yellow ensemble. The Silver Age was wild when it explained continuity hiccups and I kinda miss that spirit
Well NOW I need a meme with Sandman, Tarantula, and Spiderman all pointing at each other while Robin, Sandy and Bucky look on and snicker!
Fun fact 1: one reason Sandman’s original “pulp costume” was purple and green, was that Wesley Dodds was revealed to be color blind. Still don’t know what John Law’s excuse was.
Fun fact 2: in the 1970’s, Spiderman had a terrific recurring villain, the Tarantula, who often got the better of him. In the 1980’s his story didn’t end well. Still worth checking out….
"one reason Sandman’s original “pulp costume” was purple and green, was that Wesley Dodds was revealed to be color blind. Still don’t know what John Law’s excuse was."
So what's Alan Scott's excuse?
@@ravenwilder4099 My guess is that GL creator Martin Nodell was enamored with the swashbuckler look! Can’t explain the color scheme, though. I gotta admit, for it’s time, it did “pop out” on the page. As for modern Hal Jordan, design was good, but were all members of the corps required to give a white glove inspection?
My best guess at this time is that some just felt that there were not many readers following the two characters and therefore there would be no harm in having a few inventory stories that could suit either. It wasn't unheard of at the time. And being such a basic design, it is about as easy to redraw into other characters as it could be.
Ah the All Star Squadron, one of my favourites. 😁
It's about time they were collected into an omnibus or two, mind you as it's DC I won't hold my breath! X
Offtopic, I just recently learned of the Golden Age hero called the Black Bat and how it competed with Batman in the 30-40s, But last night I saw on Tubi a new movie about the Black Bat. I assume because the character is most likely public domain at this point. Were you aware of this hero, and have you seen the film? Id love to hear when you think. :)
I've seen the Rise of the Black Bat movie and... that happened, I'm sorry to say.
I like that Sandy's origin story is the exact same one as Syndrome from "The Incredibles", but Sandman doesn't throw him away and turn him evil. Unless someone did bring him back as a villain in another story because oh edgy look how dark the DC universe is dispute being built on concepts of hope and happiness. Truly a living Nightmare.
First time I heard of him, he had taken *Mopheus(Dream of the Endless)* place
@@foisopracurtir6389 That was a different Sandman. It’s complicated, but basically the second Kirby Sandman, Garret Sanford, was replaced by Hector Hall (son of Hawkman and Hawkwoman), and he and Lyta Hall (pre-crisis, she was Wonder Woman’s daughter, but this was post-crisis when she wasn’t) had a child, Daniel. Daniel is who eventually replaced Dream Of The Endless
Sandy ended being part of Geoff John’s’ JSA actually! And he became a weird part-silicone being
@@darkhero-3097 Oh
@@darkhero-3097 Note: Since Dream is aware of Pre-Crisis and stuff, her technically being Wonder Woman's daughter does kinda matter. It's also relevant to the theme: the new Dream is the grandchild of the two most chronologically confusing, overly retconned characters. His entire existence is a mess of paradoxes and non-logic, reliant on all the holes in canon. Daniel Dream's appearance in Dark Nights Metal was the original Rebirth Moment, because it meant that there was an anchor to the dead canon walking around. If Daniel is here, New Earth existed and happened.
You remember that apocryphal movie dialog: "This town ain't big enough for the two of us". For some reason it occurred to me that if one superhero was really offended by another's costume for any reason, then that one vigilante might forcibly disrobe the other. Then I got thinking about naked superheros. Like: Dr. Manhattan.
Never forget the Flesh, from Nickolodeon's old Action League New! segment on KaBlam. "He's super strong and super naked!"
I know it’s on brand, but people really should stop… Sleeping on Golden Age Sandman, he has a really cool and unique mystery noir feel
Now I need a casually comics video on Sandman Mystery Theatre! I’ve been reading it since last year and I’m hooked!
By odd coincidence, my old high school's colors were purple and yellow (well, they called it gold, but it was just plain old primary yellow) so these costumes feel kind of nostalgic to me. I note that the inability to stay "on theme" with color choices applied to the school administration as well as these superheroes - our only named sports team back in the day was called the Blackbirds. I think there's a Ravens now too, which isn't much different, really.
Fizzfop1 recently had a video about a character called Demon Hunter, that was an idea his creator loved so much that he created the exact same character at 3 different companies hoping it would stick. It's wild to dig into the comics recycling bin.
And that creator was artist Rich Buckler who also worked on All-Star Squadron, as mentioned in this video.
Wasn't it David Anthony Kraft the creator of Demon Slayer?
And then there's the Black Hood, who wore a nearly identical costume.
except the purple parts were black.
@@KennAKALeo Well, comic book "black" (i.e., blue). 😁
I guess in an era where superheroes pretty much all had to have a costume like this weird workout outfits from the thirties, there probably would be some overlap.
Now I want viideos of the original Sandman since Sashan finds him so interesting.
I think I may know a reason for the matching costumes. For a time, DC (at the time National Comics) had another imprint, AA, for All-American, which had some heroes like Flash, Green Lantern, and many others. They were all under the same umbrella company, they were advertised in both books, and heroes from both appeared in All-Star Comics (a DC imprint). DC and AA ended up in a dispute and split, so the AA heroes were no longer allowed in DC books and vice versa. I believe this was around the time of the costume switch, and probably it wasn't noticed since the imprints were, in effect, separate companies. Eventually National bought out AA and incorporated those heroes back into their stable, discontinuing the multiple imprints and leaving only the "Superman DC Comics" one.
One correction, All-Star was an All-American title. That's why Flash and GL came back to it during the split.
There was a lot of.. shenanigans at this time. Technically All-American and National Comics/National Perodicals were two separate companies that banded together for the D.C. branding, so not an imprint, but just two companies working together. They eventually merged into one company in 1946. It was a bit of a shell game and a trick, but yeah..
The original Sandman costume reminds me of a character that was on The Flash TV show back in the '90's. His name was, "The Nightshade".:He also wore a gas mask and put bad guys to sleep with a gun that shot tranquilizer darts.
I remember that. Why didn't they just use the Dodds Sandman, unless there was a rights issue?
Funny, I remember a character from the Flash TV show called "Nightshade" who reminded me of the golden-age Sandman (who had an enemy named "Nightshade" (though it was changed in 1986.)
@@calvinkatt662 Probably because they changed the character in significant ways. Nightshade was active in 1955 rather than 1940. In addition, he was a Black man (part of the reason for the full face mask in 1955) and in modern times was still active as a senior doctor at a hospital. Plus he was explicitly a famed hero of Central City. So enough changes that you might as well make a new character.
The attempt to make the Sandman more popular by redesigning his pulp style costume into a more superhero-ish outfit reminds me of how Archie Comics tried to keep the Shadow trendy in the 1960s by replacing his iconic pulp look (Fedora, red scarf and cloak) and redesigning it as a generic purple-and-blue super hero costume with a mask.
Love the pulp costume. Makes him look like MF Doom
Sandman is one of my favorite characters, and this is one of my favorite stories. Thank you for making this video.
Another interesting thing about 1940s heroes, esp. when they were brought together in All Star Squadron, was how many of them were named John. Roy Thomas had to use as many variation as possible to distinguish John Law (as Jonathan Law) and Johnny Chambers a.k.a. Johnny Quick. John Zatara was renamed Giovanni Zatara in his origin.
This makes me think about a costume change for Zatana when she and Black Canary were going to be on the same team. What I heard gave the impression that someone came up with a long and convoluted storyline just to give Zatana a new costume. Realistically, the two women would show up to a meeting, realize they look match when they shouldn't, and Zatana would offer to change since she's a stage performer with easier access to more costumes. I'm sure there's plenty I don't know about that Zatana story, so it makes me wonder.
6:00 Since you ask, he's presumably swinging on the cables from his newest toy, the (ahem) "wirepoon gun" - because it shot wire cables with mini-harpoon head on the end, of course. When you think about it, it's not actually any sillier than Bruce's endless array of bat-gadgets, but "wirepoon" still manages to be simultaneously amusing and sound vaguely dirty somehow.
There is a tailor who specializes in costumes who bit of more than he could chew stacking The Sandman and Tarantula jobs. With a tight deadlines on both, he only has enough time to design one costume (and no time for revisions) so he delivers the same to both and hopes they don’t run into each other.
omg the title of this video fucking killed me.
Excellent work Sasha
The only thing missing is a Robert Loggia voice over.
“This is embarrassin’! An that’s…NOTOKAY!!!”
Tarantula's appearances in All-Star Squadron aren't subtle about clowning around with the Spider-Man similarities at all. Ordway even goes out of his way to copy some common Romita Sr. poses just to drive the joke home.
I would have tied them both into Morpheus, both sharing the same dream in different ways.
7:43 That panel with Tarantula dangling upside down from the ceiling with his cape potentially becoming a nuisance would have been a good enough reason to ditch it.
It's worth noting that The Flash (1990-1991 TV series) had a superhero named Nightshade who in costume looked a lot like Sandman in his original costume.
1. In 1939, there was only the barest seperation between the still-in-its-infancy super hero genre and the pulpy mystery man genre.
2. Robin came into existence because of Billy Batson; it's all about the audience identification character.
3. The change-suit-and-cloak-guys-into-tights-wearers started at National with the Crimson Avenger a few months before Sandman changed. (Not actually related to Wing's recent change from a 20-something valet/chauffer to a 12 year old boy *BARF*.)
4. The "Wonder Woman tie-in" had nothing to do with the 1970s "Sandman" series. It was several years later, in the 1980s, and Roy Thomas was trying to make the 2nd DC Sandman make sense in relation to the rest of the DC Universe. It was awkward, yes, but really very divorced from what Kirby and Simon had done.
5. Tarantula's second costume was cool looking, but it stuck out like a sore thumb. It doesn't look like a golden age costume; it made Tarantula look like a member of Infinity Inc.
6. The introduction story of Tarntula's second costume is clunky. All-Star Squadron #19-28 (and Annual #2) all take place over just a few days. So it reads like 'On Thursday night, Tarantula meets the Squadron and tells them why he has a near-duplicate of Sandman's costume. On Friday afternoon, he shows up in a completely different costume.' If he knew Olga was working on a new costume for him, why not just use it in the first place for meeting the Squadron?
One of the Golden Age costumes of MLJ Black Hood had an identical purple and yellow costume as well. It was very popular!
Pretty sure Burland's costume was yellow with trim the color of Superman's hair (black with blue highlights), not purple.
@@KennAKALeo It's generally just interpreted as dark blue these days, but that might have been the original idea - and you see some modern art with him in yellow and black. Either way, no purple but a very similar costume, sans cape.
@@richmcgee434 I think him being called "the Black Hood" was supposed to be a tip-off. Or maybe that's just me.
Then again, there are people who insist Superman's hair is blue.
@@KennAKALeo Clearly. Much like Kid Supreme in Alan Moore's run on the book, he applies and removes black hair dye at super-speed when he needs to switch between Clark and Kal. :)
3:10 "come see the weridies I've dreamed up for you" is the funniest line. it gives me the same vibes as "come peep the horror" from that jerma clip.
I love All-Star Squadron, one of my favorite books when it was coming out. Though to be fair there was a difference between the two costumes. Sandman had purple boots and Tarantula didn't.
Also, Sandman didn't get gloves until Simon&Kirby showed up. And then there was the cape. And Wes' ever changing neckline.
Justice League of America 113 (October 1974) revealed why Sandman switched back to the Pulp Costume in the 1960s. He was working on some high-tech weaponry that exploded and turned Sandy into a monster. He trapped Sandy in a sleep gas-filled chamber "The creature in the Velvet Cage."
Sandy wasnt restored until 1982 as a teenager and eventually joined the reformed JSA wearing a version of the Pulp Costume.
Who ya gonna call? Crime Blasters!
The first story I read with Sandman in it he was wearing the yellow and purple. But in a later story I saw him in the Gas mask trench coat ensemble and was hooked on that look. It made him less on a generic super hero guy and more of a Mystery Man.
There was a rumor once that Darkwing Duck was loosely based on Sandman. (Cool hat, coat, gas gun.) But I am fairly certain that was just a rumor.
Firestar and Spitfire called. They feel left out.
it'd be funny if the in cannon explanation matched the real one. artist came up with a new look for the sandman they said no so they gave it to someone else then they changed there mind.
There was a Chapter Play movie serial thing called "Commander Cody" It used the same exact outfit as another rocket pack hero. I am thinking that the editor was not paying attention when he okayed an outfit. When someone showed him the second one he said "Yeah, I already told Joe it was fine."
God, that Roy Thomas expository dialogue is like a dentist's drill.
I don't know whether there'd be enough material for a full video, but it would be interesting to hear you talk about Wesley Dodds' connection to the Morpheus/Dream version of Sandman. I've read that the latter was retconned to be responsible for the former's powers, so I'm curious to know more.
I was just rewatching the “Claylist” so this wideo came in a gr8 time
Anything connected to All Star Squadron will get my attention.
Love that series!
Roy's obsession with the golden age, is what helped get me obsessed with it.
I'm torn, as I like both of Sandman's outfits.
Most likely, the explanation, is they recycled everything in the GA: names, costumes, art etc.
And the in story explanation is fun.Considering how many heroes were around in the 40's, I'm surprised Roy didn't have to do several versions of this story.
It looks like Rob Lifield based his entire aesthetic on the boots of the brown Tarantula costume.
Man the sandman's gasmask costume goes so hard, like sandman mystery theatre's is so cool
Ya know how Marvel has tailors that make the heroes their costumes, maybe it's like that. What if The Sandman and The Tarantula just went to the same guy?
Especially if it's revealed that the guy only knows one design.
Id read the 90s sandman comic at library all the time, it gave me a love for the artstyle and the character. Even if he was always a little silly the Wesely Dodds Sandman was always my favorite for just how straightforward and goofy his premise is. Good memories.
I just mentioned Tarantula's costume change a couple of weeks ago on a Comic Tropes video... and now you come out with this.
You joke but, you didn’t live through the purple shortage of ‘41.
There never seems to be any poor playboys in comics.
What? No love for Unemployed Man? Sidekick Shiftless Layabout? Arch Nemesis Plug Nickel?
In real life "poor playboys" are called gigolos.
Roy Thomas LOVED to spend a lot of time explaining costume changes, no matter how minor. He was an encyclopedia about them.
Lol. Great video. 😂 Sandman from the 90's was truly an extreme departure.
Great video. I recall that issue of All Star Squadron well and it was a good explanation at the time. Keep up the great work.
All Star Squadron had some great costumes - I loved Liberty Belle's and Commander Steel's
6:00 What is he swinging on? Dreams. Hopes and dreams. 😂
Superhero costume history for the win!
This is only slightly tangentially related, but it's been bugging me for years, and I'm going to vent. Facebook's Avengers Alliance was a wonderful game for alternate costumes, including some original designs like Rogue as Horseman of Famine and Iceman as Horseman of Death that were just amazing... but! Hulk had alternate costumes. Avengers Hulk was pretty cool, they resculpted his face and body to make a Ruffalo-inspired version, so far so good. World War Hulk, sure. Grey Hulk, missed opportunity since they just changed the palette instead of giving him a Fixit suit. Age of Ultron Hulk, the Ruffalo Hulk but with stretchy pants... so now with Savage Original, we've got five different costumes, one of the highest counts in the game, for a guy whose costume is that he's wearing ripped purple pants. Meanwhile, Janet Van Dyne has one costume. I demand fashion justice!
Sasha, every episode of your show is gold. And I love your episodes about these Golden Age characters. Thank you!
If you read the description of Sandman in his first appearance when he first showed his green and purple outfit, if described it as "all black costume". Coloring error or improvment?
Loved this!!! Sandy is one of my favourite characters, so I loved the step-by-step of things that I've been scrambling to piece together (old comics are a trip!)
That first issue with tarantula, i read it. It also has a captain X story with an editor or publisher whos initials are JJJ. If I remember correctly.
Any time anyone brings up the Angel, I feel compelled to remind them that, as an old man, he was behind the Scourge Of The Underworld, the killer of villains (okay, sequence of killers) in Marvel Comics in the late 80s / early 90s. Fact!
Only reason I know him is x men noir. The worthington the third angel was dead before the start of the story so our pov character is the golden age angel. Good story and veeery different. Theres no mutantations for one thing. Also evil xavier.
I did not know that. It's pretty interesting from a continuity/historic standpoint.
@@TitularHeroine We can thank the late lamented Mark Gruenwald for that, who was always keen to find good ways to utilize underused characters. In the Angel's case, he saw how supervillains keep getting out of jail and threatening people again and again, so he decided to do something about it. It's a plausible motivation.
I’d love if you did a video on sandy because he’s one of my favorite characters who hasn’t appeared in such a long time
6:28 'The Question lingered' I think that is a very different comic that shouldn't be sold to children
Yellow and purple isn't a terrible color choice but I'd go for more purple myself.
Tarantulas do not of course spin webs, although they can produce silk and use it to line the holes they use as dens.
Perhaps the reason Tarantula didn't have boots on his costume like Sandman did was because he did secretly have spider-powers and (like real tarantulas) had tiny web spigots on his feet. Presumably as well as the usual abdomen-mounted spinnerettes, but using those would be hard to aim. :)
Well, unless you're the lead character the Spinnerette webcomic, in which case you're probably catering to somebody's fetish.
I always enjoyed Janet Van Dan having multiple costumes.
Always loved the original sandman costume never understood his change to his yellow costume but he had left the JSA around that time more golden age please sasha 😊
Sandman stayed with the JSA for several more years (until 1944). In the golden age, he spent more time with the JSA in yellow (#10-#20, 11 issues) then he did in green (#3-#9, 7 issues)
@@Superlad945 1) Yes, I know what happened, I have those comics. 2) What does that have to do withe Mark S. mistaken assertion that Sandman left the JSA "around the time" he got the yellow costume?
Great video.
Roy Thomas was probably the first comic fan who went pro, and he brought a fascination with continuity with him. He's the one who introduced the idea of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver being the children of Bob and Maddy Frank (Whizzer and Miss America). Ialways felt the worst thing Crisis on Infinite Earths did was derail his plans for All-Star Squadron.
Yara Flora blew up because her costume and...now where is she? WHERE!?
Great video! I am a huge All-Star Squadron fan. I totally bought the costume explanation when I first read it in the 1980s, and I still buy it now.
5:21 Uhh… I don’t think that’s what a spider looks like.
I hate spiders and avoid looking at them at all costs and even I know that’s not even close!
'He even has a personality' 😂😂
Turns out that a department store had just debuted a breathable line of strongman gym outfits where the yellow onesie would be a clearance rack regular and a local halloween costume looking to cash in on the Batman craze accidentally purchased an earless purple knockoff instead of black or blue mask cape combos and had to cleanse them out. Belmont had purchased the clearance combo outfit to demo to Dodds, which Tarantula then buys the same combo. There you have it.
I have arachnophobia and when you showed that tarantula picture, i jumped a little 😅
The golden age black hood also had the same costume. Minus the cape
Could we be blessed with said Hardcore 90s Sandman series retrospective please.
One of them had to have said "Well, one of us has to change!"
Sasha, TY so much on this story about 2 of my favorite Golden Age heroes, Sandman I and Tarantula, I , Lol I was one of “12” back in 1982 (yikes) asking Roy Thomas on DCs All Star Squadron mag, for clarification on this, I liked the Original Sandman costume, but was happy with the costume that Roy and Jerry Ordway gave Tarantula. BTW did you know that JSA HQ in Gotham City on Earth 2 was actually at one time Dodds Manor.? Loaned to the JSA by Wesley. AND I LOVE Purple and Gold …SKOL my Minnesota Vikings.🏈🤠💜👍☀️
This reminds me I should give Sandman Mystery Theatre a try. I liked him in Starman, but for whatever reason I never read his solo series. Looking it up now.
Another great episode. You didn't mention that Kirby's 70s Sandman was just on telly, but I guess that's a whole 'nother story.
I loved reading Roy Thomas All-Star Squadron. It was fun. I think DC Crisis on Infinite Earths sort of pull the rug underneath it. I remember being very confused about who was supposed to existing, who wasn't and who remembers whom. Always wish each title was its own little universe unaffectedly by continuity by other titles
I always liked the Tarantula's brown costume. Also, loving a look back at All-Star Squadron. That run of comics in that time-period was surprisingly good. :)
I definitely think there can be a problem with overexplaining weirdness in a franchise, like why the Klingons have a different look in TNG but there is the potential to have some fun with it.
I think in this instance the explanation is kind of fun.
This video was super cool and interesting!!!
I don't know, seems unrealistic to me. If two guys end up at the same party wearing the same outfit, they're not going to be mad, they're going to be best friends.
It's the same hat trope.
We were robbed of a Sandman/Tarantula team up comic.
Roy thomas never met a plot hole did'nt fill and I LOVE HIM FOR IT
Wesley Dodd Sandman is a character I never really understood or got. That is why I'm going to pick up his upcoming comic. To see if I can connect or "get" comic.