@@ko9446 yeah but lets be honest here.... I wonder how many in the health and safety brigade have ever done any actual work other than their studies in uni and a classroom. You see it all the time all these so called experts who have never done an ounce of work in the job they supposedly are the expert in other than then reading lots of books, which I guess is how one now gets to become an expert.... So all you out there who want to be an expert in everything, just become a librarian..... Forget actual physical work in the real world.... just read a book everything will be fine the real actual world does not exist... As to common sense not being so common, that went out as soon as we started pampering the kids and not allowing them to be kids... if do not have to think and problem solve as kids... how they ever going to get the experience for when adults... not going to happen
Not in the USA but H/S regulation are for people who can't hammer a nail into a concrete wall. No common sense at all. Academic students training for H/S telling professional how to do their work is laugh. I do agree there are idoits out there who do take short cuts that need to be stopped. Good common sense prevails.
I live in a contry in europe. Our health and saftey can com up with som idiotic ideas.(for example saftey harness if you climb higer than 2 meters on a ladder) But in general they have made most workplaces safer and look after saftey equipment and guards is used. An accident can happen even if you have 30 years experience. So for the most part they do a good job. Especaliy small companies ingore health and saftey rules we had a company that didnot fix a broken seat switch on a riding mover they got a fine of 50.000$ and even if it is a big company the vd can get jail if they find many big things.(even if hes not located in the same area and nothing to do with the problem) so most companies have rutine to tell if something is wrong.
I’m glad I seen this video because my friend has to do this job in the near future. I enjoy your videos so much. Your one hard working dude my friend.Take care. Andy from Canada.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, hope you all had a great day. Please keep the videos coming I enjoy them a lot, Oh BTW your have a very Knowledgeable mind I have learned so much from you even know I'll never be working on Heavy Equipment.
you and your son working together remind me of my son and I few words spoken and he watches looks and helps without being more troubled than he is worth as help lol Its always great to see and to feel that your so close which in many families today is rare Happy TGD and take care in that wild weather uo there its just starting to get nice and warm here in Aussies South in a few weeks we will be cursing the heat
No matter what brand of skid steer it is they are all a pain in the ass to work on ! Thanks for sharing our snow is coming on Sunday and Monday! Oh joy! Happy Thanksgiving bud enjoy a well deserved day of rest ! 👍
This video reminds me of the first skid steers I ever saw and ran. Late 60’s early 70’s. V-4 Wisconsin air-cooled gasoline motor. The drive was a clutch like a snowmobile! Very little power and poorly balanced but very cool. I owned an IH ( very poor design to long) gehl , and bobcat) my current is Kubota with tracks. Once you go tracks you can’t go back to tires. Great video and thanks.
Nice job. I have pulled many of these. I have done it both ways, engine only and hydro and engine. It all depends on what you’re going after. I just pulled one because of a small fire that burned a hole in top of the tank. I pulled the hydro and engine together as the tank had to come out.
I would love one of these machines, it would make my job so much easier and efficient. Appreciate the video, sorry that watching you work relaxes me, but I’m also learning something.
My 863 did the same thing last year. The motor mounts sagged and let the oil pan rub on the fuel tank. The plastic fuel tank won and the aluminum oil pan lost. If you own one of these and the oil pan isn't leaking yet, check the motor mounts!
Was wondering how you folks were faring with the weather forecasted. Wishing you and yours a happy Thanksgiving and a big thank you for sharing vids. All best from Olean, New York.
Hello there Henry Wilson here. The smaller Bob Cats were harder to work on and those mycro diggers and dumpers. They are all a pain in the but. Great things when they are running.
Skid steers, the very definition of 10 pounds in a 5 pound bag. I really hope my JD 318D hangs in there until I am dead then someone else can deal with it. Warren you make everything look so simple.
Check the oil in the fan drive also the seals on the end are known for going out/ seeping and no one ever checks them. It's 80/90 gear oil in the drive. I see it has the better pump assembly in it and not the cables. Check the neutral and if their is any creep it's easy to adjust out. Also check for loose pintle arms on the pump if you can move the lever a bit before the machine moves and then it takes more movement to get it back the other way in neutral the arms are worn out. It sounds dumb explainging it but if you have ever been around one with bad ones you know what I'm talking about. Also you can check them by with the machine off go to the front of the machine with the cab back follow the black flat bars to the pump and move the controls look at the aluminum pintle arms and the pump shaft and see if the arm is giggly on the rod. You can catch them at the early stages of going bad and just replace the arm, bushing, and bolt if you wait it turns into the pintle shaft/swash plate and gets expensive quick. You have to pull the pump and disassemble it to replace that. Also the pump mounting bolts just like the rear motor mounts are know for coming loose and dropping the bolts out of them check the front of the pump both side for that also. Look at the control valve and see if it's wet could need seals in that also easier to get to now with the motor out. 3/16 Allen to pull the bolts their usually locktighted in and like to strip out clean them out good and make sure your Allen is seated in it good. Axle seals chain case level chain tension if you can pull the drive chains up and touch the case their stretched and due for replacement seen them go a long time before breaking but they are a bitch when they ball up behind the axle sprocket in the chain case. Had a wheel with a flat tab welded to it to beet on while someone held up on the chains to get them out. Alternator wires I think it was more on the f series square head lights were known for the wires breaking at the studs and causing all sorts of weird issues. G series are triangle head lights. Case drain filters they are a stone filter suppose to be done every 1000 hrs should have 2 one by the left side rear wheel in the mainframe by the pump will be a aluminum housing about 2" in diameter and have 3 1/4" lines going to it and one center of the machine on the chain case in front of the pump. Will be held with a p clamp (Adele clamp) to the top of the case. Take them out of the machine and put in a vice 1 1/2" wrench pull the end off clean out and replace with a kit from bobcat. Probably find a little bit of metal debri and o ring debri is normal a bunch is signs of drive motor failure or a pump failure. Either current or in the past. Oil cooler lines usually start flaking on those machines with age. Fuel return lines from the injectors go bad with age on them also the good ones had a metal rail some just had plastic t's between each injector.
@@ko9446 worked at a dealer for 3 years when I was younger these and g series s250 and t300 is what I worked on the most I had torque numbers and valve train adjustments memorized on the deutz did so many head gasket jobs. Loose chain carriers on the new k series s 250 at the time 2.25 lbs freon charge on skid loaders drive motor replacements on track machines chain jobs on wheeled machines and then the attachments and mini hoes
dealer talk. The machine has an oil leak so lets rebuild the whole machine down to the belly pan. Last time I called bobcat for a moible mechanic they send me a cat guy who know nothing about it.
Their shit machines I gave him a list of all the stuff to check it's all either wear items or known issues. can a lot of it be left alone yes will it run yes. Is their preventive stuff to be done that's not gonna A break the bank, B keep the machine running threw the snow storm and not loose on money and time. Yes. Would you rather spend 250$ now or 2500$ in a month when your machine is down for a week or more either waiting on a dealer or parts or weather to break to fix it. The dealers are going to break it off in you every chance they get I told everyone if you get out of bobcat for under $500 your doing good. Most bills start their and go up. From what Warren was saying the guy does service his own equipment and takes good care of it. If nothing else if he tells them hey so and so said look at this this and this and the owner says I don't want to fix it now and says but if we get slow I'll look into it. Or the guy may want it fixed back top condition best he can get for what he has. Personally I tell whoever's machine it is what is wrong and let them decide it doesn't benefit me in any way either way. Your either going to fix it or call me later to fix it when it breaks. Or take it to someone else and their going to. My position it doesn't benefit me to take you for $2000 now and never again I'll take $300 now and $300 at the end of the month and the 5 guys you refer to me for their $300 and at the end of the month have a nice month and steady work coming in for the equipment trucks and personal rides plus the 5 people that those 5 each refer. so dealer talk anymore they have a 18 year old kid fresh out of school no experience a computer and a company truck. No one is staying in the trades field their all being u tube stars athletes or trying to do something on the computer. I'm against dealers as much as possible would rather have the software and books to do it my self. Just like Warren is doing lap top data interface check clear and diagnose not guess and parts change. He said himself he has no experience with these other than a 743 which is 6 wires and 4 bolts 2 coolant hoses 2 fuel lines and the motors out. It's to help him out because in reality with the older machines theirs small medium and large frame machines a 863 and a 864 are the same machine other than the 864 is a track machine a 873 is a verticle lift machine where a 863 is a radius lift machine still the same pump motor and Hyd system fuel system and chain case. A 763 and a 773 are the same machine again with 2 different lift designs still the same guts. If he can take what he learns from this one and apply to the next which I know he can just from watching videos and listen to him talk about prior experience with other machines with similar components it's going to help him. Being torn into one this deep you can see the workings of them and understand more on how they work and are assembled.
@@brandonvanmeter4888 very good information thank you for the help. This not my machine but, the person that owns it watches his video good info for him. This is the best part about watching video is the help from the comments.
Hi Warren, I live in Alberta and this weekend Calgary is going to get a major dump of snow been getting it for 2 days now it's supposed to heading south.
Belt tensioner is a 3/4 socket it's the part with the spring wrapped around it just loosen the bolt up and it will take the tension off it. Putting it back on slip the belt on and tighten till it stops moving ( you know what I mean) then just above where the flywheel housing is theirs 2 3/8" bolts and a charcoal colored bracket it needs taken off before you loosen the tensioner. When going back together after tightening the tensioner bolt just bump the bracket against it till it touches and run the two 3/8" bolts back in. It's just a stop for when it's under a load that the belt can't push the tensioner back and let the belt slip. Make sure you get the key way back in the pump shaft and it's in their when you slide the pulley back on. It pushes out pretty easy if you are not paying attention. It will run and work fine at first but then it will spin on the shaft and destroy the shaft. Know from past experiences
I can see why the construction guy brought you the machine to work on instead of doing it himself! it looks a right pig to work on. Well done for sussing it out!
I had a Buick Rendezvous and I had to remove the front engine and trans mission mounts so the engine could be rotated forward just to change the back 3 spark plugs. I think they put the engines on the frames now and build the body around them as tight as they can.
Skid steers are always fun with everything packed into a small space. The local John Deere heavy equipment dealer wouldn't work on them. They left them to the farm equipment dealer to repair.
O baby the infamous deutz 4 cylinder lol I love those engines very easy to work on he needs to change the timing belt and head gasket immediately but make sure you got the timing pins if you need i can send you some
The Bobcat 863 is known to have problems with the pickup tube in the tank. If it breaks off in the tank the machine will run out of fuel with an almost full tank. To access the pickup tube you must pull the engine. I do believe the make an upgraded tube. It might be worth looking at.
You can remove the right rear tire and take off the cover and reach inside and pull the fuel line out of the tank . Hope this helps someone out there .
Remove the Hyd pump and fuel tank clean the debri from under the tank also. useually the tank get pushed up and start rubbing on the oil pan. The deutz glue from bobcat is like glue useually have to take a chisel to the oil pan between the pan and block to break it free. Also their is a diagram in the service manual for the lifting device to easily remove the motor without having to slide it out
Theirs a plate at the bottom back of the machine with two 3/8 bolts inside their is 2 aluminum plugs one forward that is the chain case the other is the fuel drain plug. Get new gromets anytime you remove them or the fuel pickup. They swell and are almost impossible to get back in
remove the complete fan and shroud assembly will give you a ton more room to the back of the engine. this will also help when reassembling hydraulic pump bolts. replace the main belt tensioner with any belt replacement is a good idea. there should be sticker on the inside of the back door showing how to tension that main belt back properly.
That is a hydraulic oil cooled deutz engine. I worked on a mini German articulated tractor. It was called a holder. It was used primarily to snow blow sidewalks and sweep in the summer. It too was cooled by hydraulic oil and even had a radiator style oil cooler that cooled the engine and also heated the cab. The only way we had to warm the engine in the winter was to keep it in a heated garage when not in use. When it was started up to be moved it was the smelly Diesel engine that I had ever been ne’er when it was started up. I guess you could say I was never fond of that machine at. All. The first machine like that one caught fire in the garage when no one was around. I could not understand why anyone would buy another one just like it.
Seen that before with dirt and crap rubbing a hole under the pan. This engine can be a bear to remove. Usually pulled this with the hydrostat and housing connected out of the machine. Their timing belts can also cause issues from age. Tightening the belt can be a pain and should be done with deutz timing tools. At least you were able to remove that dreaded exhaust.
I have a 863 in shop... it has no charge pressure. im working on pulling the engine, but read that it was easier to pull the pump an engine as an assembly. not sure if this is the best solution???
Dealers pull engine and pumps as a unit. Don’t know if it’s faster easier or just the way the do it. As others said timing belt should be done unless it’s pretty new already
still working on 8130 owner said he found some oversized bearings for rods now he doesent want to do the head tractor has over 15k hrs these rods are fractured rods cant resize them. Have you ran into this owner want to polish them and go on told him they are ovaled 3 thousands out of round. Deere saying to replace them 1,800 bucks. At least we can salvage the crank it is 3,500 for a new one. im reall not interested in cutting corners on this engine. What would you do?
I gave up on those 'must chain up signs and checkpoints, my answer to the person, was 'understood, I'm all set' and carry on. I crossed those points a dozen times, chained up the first time and ruined an expensive set of vbar chains. Never a problem after that and never needed 4wd locked in to get up and over. I didn't have the california baloney skin tires, always a good truck tire with more than decent tread. It was nice to travel up and over at a modest 40 in the hammer lane while everyone else was plodding along at 12mph. Even stopped 4-5 times to help someone out of the ditch. I did feel bad, but this was a northeast plow truck, so I'd turn on my blinky amber roof lights as I zoomed on past, look official.
I worked on those bleep things you pull the complete unit when they went to the cross mount with belt what a joke they made gauge to set the belt if you use it the belt will slip so set it tite with a bar we got away from bobcat for that reason can't get to anything to repair the book show a engine and pump puller but at that time they did not sell it you cut it out and weld it up have a great Holiday
Just like mine 7 years ago i did the same thing the motor support bolt came out on the right side and the motor drop down rub a hole in the oil pan ,we weld it the new one was $560.00
Check the pulley on the fan drive and the tensioner usually they wear down over time and need replaced. The fuel pickup tube is like 25 dollars in parts for a screen tube and 2 clamps it's cheap and easy insurance to do it now if it hasn't been done recently. Your right their I would suggest it also look at the back side of the motor if it's wet in oil by the head the head gasket is bad. Their torque to yield bolts need replaced if you pull the head. Timing belt needs done probably. 3 years or 3,000 hrs needs a new tensioner also. has a 5 point tamper proof torx in the cover that you have to take out to get to the timing belt. Takes 2 special dowel pins for the crank and cam to hold them against. and a belt tensioner checker for checking after it's tightened.
Get a new gromet for the pickup side they swell and are next to impossible to get back in. Use vasoline and lube everything and insert the hose through the gromet and then install the gromet in the tank with the hose through it then push the 90 down through the center and it's done.
You have been dropping gems of information. Any way you could do a video on all of these? I would definitely watch it as well as many more. Thanks for the insider information.
Placing the crank timing pin is a little tricky at first. Usually I was replacing the timing belt + tensioner after a 1000 hrs . The job is not too difficult with the proper deutz tools. .
Hello sir i have a problem with same bobcat. The problem is when start the bobcat it move to left without touch the joystick i must on correct it by keep on force the joystick forward then release then forward again afer 20sec its ok but on neutral position the bobcat keep on moving forward sometime backward by itself slowly. Please help...any idea??
It’s a shame Bobcat has not resolved this problem ! I have seen it several times in my day. I was told it was caused by oil saturation and the heat breaking down the rubber mounts. You would think they would change over to neoprene by now. 😕 Warren it’s been odd hearing someone else in the shop with you . Did you hire your son full time or just catching up ?
I had to pull the engine out of my Daewoo 601 skidsteer with a yanmar 4 cylinder for the same reason motor supports was wore out and debris had built up and rubbed a hole in the pan but my ole man had borrowed it and never said anything about it leaking and forgot to tell me he ran it dry of oil 2 times.
When they break usually bend all the push rods for the rocker arms if your lucky is doesn't bend a valve. Their a verticle valve assembly so usually just bends the pushrods
@@brandonvanmeter4888 You sound like you work on these darn things..lol. I have one,working on puttin the new engine in here on a warm day.,I put new seals in the fan gearbox,new oil.,etc
Older large frame machines ran the deutz motor in them 863 873 864 t200 early s 250 s300 then they switched to the Kubota the 853 used a puego diesel their mounted reverse of all the others drive belt on the right instead of left
You're wise to change all that stuff now...! It's preventing all the butt ache you and your customer will have if you don't! 40yrs in the business and too many cheap customers will teach you that crap. I have found that if you can get the equipment to a hot water pressure washer it helps spot alot of future problems as well...I know you know all this but a bad wreck a year ago put me out of the game forever..You sir , Are a awesome get it done the right way mechanic, not just a parts changer..keep doing your way!
At about 27:00 you told your son counterclockwise, and he understood, my grand daughter does not, there are no analog clocks around so it is not common anymore. Drives me crazy, why the education system does not see the importance of it.
I would have welded that oil pan in place. Drain the oil. And Purge with dry nitrogen as I was welding the pan. But if it needs a timing belt and all this other stuff maybe it was a good idea to pull it out
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 I'm a factory trained Perkins John Deere and yanmar mechanic it amazes me what engineer's do. They should have to work on there designs for a year before they release the crap to the public. I'm hooked on your videos. You are very knowledgeable on everything you work on.
It looks like there is a hole in the gas tank at 30:24 if you freeze the video there appears to be a hole at 1 o'clock from the piece of dirt laying on the rub mark.
I’m loving the swipes at the health and safety brigade. They drive me crazy. Trouble is, common sense ain’t too common. You make my day 😂😂
Trevor Mansfield they damn sure never spent a day as a heavy equipment mechanic. This shit was daily
@@ko9446 yeah but lets be honest here.... I wonder how many in the health and safety brigade have ever done any actual work other than their studies in uni and a classroom. You see it all the time all these so called experts who have never done an ounce of work in the job they supposedly are the expert in other than then reading lots of books, which I guess is how one now gets to become an expert.... So all you out there who want to be an expert in everything, just become a librarian..... Forget actual physical work in the real world.... just read a book everything will be fine the real actual world does not exist... As to common sense not being so common, that went out as soon as we started pampering the kids and not allowing them to be kids... if do not have to think and problem solve as kids... how they ever going to get the experience for when adults... not going to happen
@@ko9446 In the interests of balance-over 5000 people a year die in the U.S. as a result of workplace accidents.
Not in the USA but H/S regulation are for people who can't hammer a nail into a concrete wall. No common sense at all. Academic students training for H/S telling professional how to do their work is laugh. I do agree there are idoits out there who do take short cuts that need to be stopped. Good common sense prevails.
I live in a contry in europe. Our health and saftey can com up with som idiotic ideas.(for example saftey harness if you climb higer than 2 meters on a ladder) But in general they have made most workplaces safer and look after saftey equipment and guards is used. An accident can happen even if you have 30 years experience. So for the most part they do a good job.
Especaliy small companies ingore health and saftey rules we had a company that didnot fix a broken seat switch on a riding mover they got a fine of 50.000$ and even if it is a big company the vd can get jail if they find many big things.(even if hes not located in the same area and nothing to do with the problem) so most companies have rutine to tell if something is wrong.
All credit to you, you will tackle anything and they always give into your knowledge.👍👍🇬🇧
I’m glad I seen this video because my friend has to do this job in the near future. I enjoy your videos so much. Your one hard working dude my friend.Take care. Andy from Canada.
thats the cleanest 863 ive seen. Wheres the rust ? All snow machines around here are very proud of there rust. Love the vids man . Keep them coming.
Thanks for the Video Warren. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
THANK YOU! I have same oil leak and I’m thrilled you made this video!!!
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, hope you all had a great day. Please keep the videos coming I enjoy them a lot, Oh BTW your have a very Knowledgeable mind I have learned so much from you even know I'll never be working on Heavy Equipment.
you and your son working together remind me of my son and I few words spoken and he watches looks and helps without being more troubled than he is worth as help lol Its always great to see and to feel that your so close which in many families today is rare Happy TGD and take care in that wild weather uo there its just starting to get nice and warm here in Aussies South in a few weeks we will be cursing the heat
No matter what brand of skid steer it is they are all a pain in the ass to work on ! Thanks for sharing our snow is coming on Sunday and Monday! Oh joy! Happy Thanksgiving bud enjoy a well deserved day of rest ! 👍
This video reminds me of the first skid steers I ever saw and ran. Late 60’s early 70’s. V-4 Wisconsin air-cooled gasoline motor. The drive was a clutch like a snowmobile!
Very little power and poorly balanced but very cool.
I owned an IH ( very poor design to long) gehl , and bobcat) my current is Kubota with tracks. Once you go tracks you can’t go back to tires.
Great video and thanks.
Love your channel keep it up buddy!!!
Thanks for the vid Warren! My 863 is still here in garage,so this will help..Thanks
Happy thanksgiving to you and yours Warren 👍
great vid warren happy thanksgiving!!!!
Nice job. I have pulled many of these. I have done it both ways, engine only and hydro and engine. It all depends on what you’re going after. I just pulled one because of a small fire that burned a hole in top of the tank. I pulled the hydro and engine together as the tank had to come out.
Amazing, this machine has a decent operator seat!
I would love one of these machines, it would make my job so much easier and efficient. Appreciate the video, sorry that watching you work relaxes me, but I’m also learning something.
You're not alone.
I have the same bobcat with what I am now guessing the same problem. Thanks for the video.
Enjoyed your video. Thanks for sharing.
My 863 did the same thing last year. The motor mounts sagged and let the oil pan rub on the fuel tank. The plastic fuel tank won and the aluminum oil pan lost. If you own one of these and the oil pan isn't leaking yet, check the motor mounts!
I like watching your videos. I watch them all the time when I can
Was wondering how you folks were faring with the weather forecasted. Wishing you and yours a happy Thanksgiving and a big thank you for sharing vids. All best from Olean, New York.
Hello there Henry Wilson here. The smaller Bob Cats were harder to work on and those mycro diggers and dumpers. They are all a pain in the but. Great things when they are running.
Nice job very good 863 used for 20 years.
Skid steers, the very definition of 10 pounds in a 5 pound bag. I really hope my JD 318D hangs in there until I am dead then someone else can deal with it.
Warren you make everything look so simple.
Warn Thank you for all your hard work creating these great Videos. Have a great Thanks Giving with your family. God Bless you and your family
Happy Thanksgiving Warren!
Lord that a ton of work.
when you love your kids it is nice to work together. to soon they are gone. thanks
Warren
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
The bobcat we had used a kubota engine. Bet that Duetz engine is a strange duck. 🤔
Check the oil in the fan drive also the seals on the end are known for going out/ seeping and no one ever checks them. It's 80/90 gear oil in the drive. I see it has the better pump assembly in it and not the cables. Check the neutral and if their is any creep it's easy to adjust out. Also check for loose pintle arms on the pump if you can move the lever a bit before the machine moves and then it takes more movement to get it back the other way in neutral the arms are worn out. It sounds dumb explainging it but if you have ever been around one with bad ones you know what I'm talking about. Also you can check them by with the machine off go to the front of the machine with the cab back follow the black flat bars to the pump and move the controls look at the aluminum pintle arms and the pump shaft and see if the arm is giggly on the rod. You can catch them at the early stages of going bad and just replace the arm, bushing, and bolt if you wait it turns into the pintle shaft/swash plate and gets expensive quick. You have to pull the pump and disassemble it to replace that. Also the pump mounting bolts just like the rear motor mounts are know for coming loose and dropping the bolts out of them check the front of the pump both side for that also. Look at the control valve and see if it's wet could need seals in that also easier to get to now with the motor out. 3/16 Allen to pull the bolts their usually locktighted in and like to strip out clean them out good and make sure your Allen is seated in it good. Axle seals chain case level chain tension if you can pull the drive chains up and touch the case their stretched and due for replacement seen them go a long time before breaking but they are a bitch when they ball up behind the axle sprocket in the chain case. Had a wheel with a flat tab welded to it to beet on while someone held up on the chains to get them out. Alternator wires I think it was more on the f series square head lights were known for the wires breaking at the studs and causing all sorts of weird issues. G series are triangle head lights. Case drain filters they are a stone filter suppose to be done every 1000 hrs should have 2 one by the left side rear wheel in the mainframe by the pump will be a aluminum housing about 2" in diameter and have 3 1/4" lines going to it and one center of the machine on the chain case in front of the pump. Will be held with a p clamp (Adele clamp) to the top of the case. Take them out of the machine and put in a vice 1 1/2" wrench pull the end off clean out and replace with a kit from bobcat. Probably find a little bit of metal debri and o ring debri is normal a bunch is signs of drive motor failure or a pump failure. Either current or in the past. Oil cooler lines usually start flaking on those machines with age. Fuel return lines from the injectors go bad with age on them also the good ones had a metal rail some just had plastic t's between each injector.
Brandon Vanmeter Warren, you don’t need a book if you can message this gentleman, sounds like he knows his way around these
@@ko9446 worked at a dealer for 3 years when I was younger these and g series s250 and t300 is what I worked on the most I had torque numbers and valve train adjustments memorized on the deutz did so many head gasket jobs. Loose chain carriers on the new k series s 250 at the time 2.25 lbs freon charge on skid loaders drive motor replacements on track machines chain jobs on wheeled machines and then the attachments and mini hoes
dealer talk. The machine has an oil leak so lets rebuild the whole machine down to the belly pan. Last time I called bobcat for a moible mechanic they send me a cat guy who know nothing about it.
Their shit machines I gave him a list of all the stuff to check it's all either wear items or known issues. can a lot of it be left alone yes will it run yes. Is their preventive stuff to be done that's not gonna A break the bank, B keep the machine running threw the snow storm and not loose on money and time. Yes. Would you rather spend 250$ now or 2500$ in a month when your machine is down for a week or more either waiting on a dealer or parts or weather to break to fix it. The dealers are going to break it off in you every chance they get I told everyone if you get out of bobcat for under $500 your doing good. Most bills start their and go up. From what Warren was saying the guy does service his own equipment and takes good care of it. If nothing else if he tells them hey so and so said look at this this and this and the owner says I don't want to fix it now and says but if we get slow I'll look into it. Or the guy may want it fixed back top condition best he can get for what he has. Personally I tell whoever's machine it is what is wrong and let them decide it doesn't benefit me in any way either way. Your either going to fix it or call me later to fix it when it breaks. Or take it to someone else and their going to. My position it doesn't benefit me to take you for $2000 now and never again I'll take $300 now and $300 at the end of the month and the 5 guys you refer to me for their $300 and at the end of the month have a nice month and steady work coming in for the equipment trucks and personal rides plus the 5 people that those 5 each refer. so dealer talk anymore they have a 18 year old kid fresh out of school no experience a computer and a company truck. No one is staying in the trades field their all being u tube stars athletes or trying to do something on the computer. I'm against dealers as much as possible would rather have the software and books to do it my self. Just like Warren is doing lap top data interface check clear and diagnose not guess and parts change. He said himself he has no experience with these other than a 743 which is 6 wires and 4 bolts 2 coolant hoses 2 fuel lines and the motors out. It's to help him out because in reality with the older machines theirs small medium and large frame machines a 863 and a 864 are the same machine other than the 864 is a track machine a 873 is a verticle lift machine where a 863 is a radius lift machine still the same pump motor and Hyd system fuel system and chain case. A 763 and a 773 are the same machine again with 2 different lift designs still the same guts. If he can take what he learns from this one and apply to the next which I know he can just from watching videos and listen to him talk about prior experience with other machines with similar components it's going to help him. Being torn into one this deep you can see the workings of them and understand more on how they work and are assembled.
@@brandonvanmeter4888 very good information thank you for the help.
This not my machine but, the person that owns it watches his video good info for him.
This is the best part about watching video is the help from the comments.
Well that looked like a bunch of work. Did not realize that Bob cats run dutze . If I lived up your way you get all work. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Warren, I live in Alberta and this weekend Calgary is going to get a major dump of snow been getting it for 2 days now it's supposed to heading south.
You should get a Milwaukee 1/2 inch stubby. They have some power for small size and weight. Enjoying your videos. Thanks Warren
Belt tensioner is a 3/4 socket it's the part with the spring wrapped around it just loosen the bolt up and it will take the tension off it. Putting it back on slip the belt on and tighten till it stops moving ( you know what I mean) then just above where the flywheel housing is theirs 2 3/8" bolts and a charcoal colored bracket it needs taken off before you loosen the tensioner. When going back together after tightening the tensioner bolt just bump the bracket against it till it touches and run the two 3/8" bolts back in. It's just a stop for when it's under a load that the belt can't push the tensioner back and let the belt slip.
Make sure you get the key way back in the pump shaft and it's in their when you slide the pulley back on. It pushes out pretty easy if you are not paying attention. It will run and work fine at first but then it will spin on the shaft and destroy the shaft. Know from past experiences
I can see why the construction guy brought you the machine to work on instead of doing it himself! it looks a right pig to work on. Well done for sussing it out!
Hope you're taking today off. Happy Thanksgiving, Warren!
Excellent video.....
Reminds me of these new cars; no room to work on anything, everything just crammed in a tight space.
I had a Buick Rendezvous and I had to remove the front engine and trans mission mounts so the engine could be rotated forward just to change the back 3 spark plugs. I think they put the engines on the frames now and build the body around them as tight as they can.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, Warren.
Skid steers are always fun with everything packed into a small space. The local John Deere heavy equipment dealer wouldn't work on them. They left them to the farm equipment dealer to repair.
O baby the infamous deutz 4 cylinder lol I love those engines very easy to work on he needs to change the timing belt and head gasket immediately but make sure you got the timing pins if you need i can send you some
i have done 4 of the 863 with the pan rubbed through .the mounts fall apart and crush out.
Just found your channel. Great work skid steers are pretty miserable to work on.
Would you consider front and rear main seals a sensible thing to do while you have such easy access?
The Bobcat 863 is known to have problems with the pickup tube in the tank. If it breaks off in the tank the machine will run out of fuel with an almost full tank. To access the pickup tube you must pull the engine. I do believe the make an upgraded tube. It might be worth looking at.
You can remove the right rear tire and take off the cover and reach inside and pull the fuel line out of the tank . Hope this helps someone out there .
Remove the Hyd pump and fuel tank clean the debri from under the tank also. useually the tank get pushed up and start rubbing on the oil pan. The deutz glue from bobcat is like glue useually have to take a chisel to the oil pan between the pan and block to break it free. Also their is a diagram in the service manual for the lifting device to easily remove the motor without having to slide it out
Theirs a plate at the bottom back of the machine with two 3/8 bolts inside their is 2 aluminum plugs one forward that is the chain case the other is the fuel drain plug. Get new gromets anytime you remove them or the fuel pickup. They swell and are almost impossible to get back in
Hell of a job, now next video of reassembly
How many hours would you say that it took you to remove the engine? Thank you
remove the complete fan and shroud assembly will give you a ton more room to the back of the engine.
this will also help when reassembling hydraulic pump bolts.
replace the main belt tensioner with any belt replacement is a good idea.
there should be sticker on the inside of the back door showing how to tension that main belt back properly.
Another top video man some of the snow would be welcome in nsw Australia 1.8 million hectares burnt and not even our fire season
Good job sir 👍🏻
Hey happy to see you here.....huh lol
Jay G yes sir 😬👍🏻👋🏻
How much is record snow for your area Warren?
That is a hydraulic oil cooled deutz engine. I worked on a mini German articulated tractor. It was called a holder. It was used primarily to snow blow sidewalks and sweep in the summer. It too was cooled by hydraulic oil and even had a radiator style oil cooler that cooled the engine and also heated the cab. The only way we had to warm the engine in the winter was to keep it in a heated garage when not in use. When it was started up to be moved it was the smelly Diesel engine that I had ever been ne’er when it was started up. I guess you could say I was never fond of that machine at. All. The first machine like that one caught fire in the garage when no one was around. I could not understand why anyone would buy another one just like it.
did a motor mount wear out or what caused the hole to appear...just plastic? hmmmm
Seen that before with dirt and crap rubbing a hole under the pan. This engine can be a bear to remove. Usually pulled this with the hydrostat and housing connected out of the machine. Their timing belts can also cause issues from age. Tightening the belt can be a pain and should be done with deutz timing tools. At least you were able to remove that dreaded exhaust.
I have a 863 in shop... it has no charge pressure. im working on pulling the engine, but read that it was easier to pull the pump an engine as an assembly. not sure if this is the best solution???
Dealers pull engine and pumps as a unit. Don’t know if it’s faster easier or just the way the do it. As others said timing belt should be done unless it’s pretty new already
Where did you get your gear puller
It would be handy to have an extra joint on the arms,
one that folded in the opposite direction to the elbow.
How many hours to remove and replace it?
You can also change the engine timing belt....
still working on 8130 owner said he found some oversized bearings for rods now he doesent want to do the head tractor has over 15k hrs these rods are fractured rods cant resize them. Have you ran into this owner want to polish them and go on told him they are ovaled 3 thousands out of round. Deere saying to replace them 1,800 bucks. At least we can salvage the crank it is 3,500 for a new one. im reall not interested in cutting corners on this engine. What would you do?
Love the vids Warren, but you really need a couple tri pods for the camera!. Todd the retired trucker.
What kind of puller did u use im stuck on that same pulley
Is there no removable body/skid plate underneath that would give you the access to the oil pan?
Which side the engine rotate for. Bobcat 843
I gave up on those 'must chain up signs and checkpoints, my answer to the person, was 'understood, I'm all set' and carry on. I crossed those points a dozen times, chained up the first time and ruined an expensive set of vbar chains. Never a problem after that and never needed 4wd locked in to get up and over. I didn't have the california baloney skin tires, always a good truck tire with more than decent tread. It was nice to travel up and over at a modest 40 in the hammer lane while everyone else was plodding along at 12mph. Even stopped 4-5 times to help someone out of the ditch. I did feel bad, but this was a northeast plow truck, so I'd turn on my blinky amber roof lights as I zoomed on past, look official.
After 2 Tday dinners and a nap, its great to watch Warren do his thing from the Lazy Boy chair.
I have the same machine that's blowing lots of oil out the exhaust. How many hours would you say it took you to remove and reinstall? Thanks!
What do you mean by Deutsch engine how is it cooled .
stay safe!!
Are these Bobcat 863's any good ? Thinking about buying one....
I worked on those bleep things you pull the complete unit when they went to the cross mount with belt what a joke they made gauge to set the belt if you use it the belt will slip so set it tite with a bar we got away from bobcat for that reason can't get to anything to repair the book show a engine and pump puller but at that time they did not sell it you cut it out and weld it up have a great Holiday
Hope turns out well for ya
happy thanksgiiving
Just like mine 7 years ago i did the same thing the motor support bolt came out on the right side and the motor drop down rub a hole in the oil pan ,we weld it the new one was $560.00
Check the pulley on the fan drive and the tensioner usually they wear down over time and need replaced. The fuel pickup tube is like 25 dollars in parts for a screen tube and 2 clamps it's cheap and easy insurance to do it now if it hasn't been done recently. Your right their I would suggest it also look at the back side of the motor if it's wet in oil by the head the head gasket is bad. Their torque to yield bolts need replaced if you pull the head. Timing belt needs done probably. 3 years or 3,000 hrs needs a new tensioner also. has a 5 point tamper proof torx in the cover that you have to take out to get to the timing belt. Takes 2 special dowel pins for the crank and cam to hold them against. and a belt tensioner checker for checking after it's tightened.
Get a new gromet for the pickup side they swell and are next to impossible to get back in. Use vasoline and lube everything and insert the hose through the gromet and then install the gromet in the tank with the hose through it then push the 90 down through the center and it's done.
You have been dropping gems of information. Any way you could do a video on all of these? I would definitely watch it as well as many more. Thanks for the insider information.
Placing the crank timing pin is a little tricky at first. Usually I was replacing the timing belt + tensioner after a 1000 hrs . The job is not too difficult with the proper deutz tools. .
Hello sir i have a problem with same bobcat. The problem is when start the bobcat it move to left without touch the joystick i must on correct it by keep on force the joystick forward then release then forward again afer 20sec its ok but on neutral position the bobcat keep on moving forward sometime backward by itself slowly. Please help...any idea??
Had an 864, Really tight , hated to work
on it!
It’s a shame Bobcat has not resolved this problem ! I have seen it several times in my day. I was told it was caused by oil saturation and the heat breaking down the rubber mounts. You would think they would change over to neoprene by now. 😕 Warren it’s been odd hearing someone else in the shop with you . Did you hire your son full time or just catching up ?
You skipped the part on how you loosened up the tensioner for the main belt any chance you could do a video on that?
I had to pull the engine out of my Daewoo 601 skidsteer with a yanmar 4 cylinder for the same reason motor supports was wore out and debris had built up and rubbed a hole in the pan but my ole man had borrowed it and never said anything about it leaking and forgot to tell me he ran it dry of oil 2 times.
While your there do the timing belt, people forget it’s a deutz
And don't forget expensive..!
When they break usually bend all the push rods for the rocker arms if your lucky is doesn't bend a valve. Their a verticle valve assembly so usually just bends the pushrods
@@brandonvanmeter4888 You sound like you work on these darn things..lol. I have one,working on puttin the new engine in here on a warm day.,I put new seals in the fan gearbox,new oil.,etc
I thought it was a Kubota
Older large frame machines ran the deutz motor in them 863 873 864 t200 early s 250 s300 then they switched to the Kubota the 853 used a puego diesel their mounted reverse of all the others drive belt on the right instead of left
Cool
You're wise to change all that stuff now...! It's preventing all the butt ache you and your customer will have if you don't! 40yrs in the business and too many cheap customers will teach you that crap. I have found that if you can get the equipment to a hot water pressure washer it helps spot alot of future problems as well...I know you know all this but a bad wreck a year ago put me out of the game forever..You sir , Are a awesome get it done the right way mechanic, not just a parts changer..keep doing your way!
At about 27:00 you told your son counterclockwise, and he understood, my grand daughter does not, there are no analog clocks around so it is not common anymore. Drives me crazy, why the education system does not see the importance of it.
You guys should light some candles to get more light 😉😁
ALOT of work for Worn out Motor mount!!!,,WOW!!
You do get yourself some projects . Going to power wash the motor ? Nice job Warren 👍😎
I would have welded that oil pan in place. Drain the oil. And Purge with dry nitrogen as I was welding the pan. But if it needs a timing belt and all this other stuff maybe it was a good idea to pull it out
Don't you just love when the put 97 bolts in ,6 brackets to hold a muffler on
Little over kill on the muffler brackets.
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 I'm a factory trained Perkins John Deere and yanmar mechanic it amazes me what engineer's do. They should have to work on there designs for a year before they release the crap to the public. I'm hooked on your videos. You are very knowledgeable on everything you work on.
Thanks, keep'em comin'
Does anyone know the best engine for the 873
Oh man I wanted to see you drive thru the snow in the service truck
just curious, do you have to pull the engine to do the timing belt?
no you do not
It looks like there is a hole in the gas tank at 30:24 if you freeze the video there appears to be a hole at 1 o'clock from the piece of dirt laying on the rub mark.
Nice work Warren thats no gravy job.
Hope they pay you dough.....Awesome 👍