EMPEROR BELOS ORIGIN STORY REVEALED! Elsewhere and Elsewhen Breakdown! The Owl House Season 2
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The Owl House Season 2 continues with Elsewhere and Elsewhen, an episode that begins to explore the origin story of Emperor Belos as Luz and Lilith time travel to the Savage Ages! Who is Philip Whittebane, does he have a connection to the Titan and what does he want with the Collector? Let's breakdown this new episode for all the details you may have missed!
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I was under the impression that he hated witches anyway, since he came from a world where witches were persecuted. The town he and his brother founded, and where the portal leads out, is in Connecticut, which isn’t far from Massachusetts, where the Salem Witch Trials happened. I think this was deliberate on Dana’s part.
The Salem Witch Trials happened between 1692-1693 though and it’s stated in Yesterday’s Lie that Philip Wittebane and his brother founded Gravesfield (the town Luz is from) in 1635, when a witch lured them into the Demon Realm. Granted, hysteria around witch has always been around but if you ask me, I think his isolation of being the only human on the boiling isles on top of the witch that lured him into the demon realm is the real reason why he hates witches. I think the witch that lured him might’ve needed him and his brother and tricked them into doing something that got his brother killed.
@@amethystsavage4018 why would a witch lure Phillip into the Boiling Isles?
@@_marshP My theory is that this witch needed Philip and his brother for something, like how Eda needed Luz to help steal King’s crown in the pilot. And whatever task this witch had in mind might’ve gotten his brother killed. I read somewhere the reason why his brother’s clone is named “Hunter” was because his brother was an actual hunter. The collector, as we saw in the owl beast’s origin story, was someone who was poaching wild beasts (collecting them, as hinted as in their name). Maybe they had to seek a dangerous creature, one the collector couldn’t get on their own.
@@amethystsavage4018 Interesting theory but why was Flapjack sitting on the shoulder of Phillips brother when their picture was shown as the curator told Carmilla about them? And why does Edas father have a mathcing Palisman? I think the witch that "tricked" the brothers into coming to the demon realm was Edas ancestor or at least a member of the Clawthorn clan and carved both Flapjack and Dells Palisman. Maybe those two palisman were meant as a pair that was supposed to be passed down through the generations from parent to child. Maybe even as a kind of passed down engagement/wedding rings where one would go to the child of the Clawthorn clan and the other would go to whoever married that child. Which in turn could be a reason for Phillips brother to leave the human realm or to be taken against his will.
@@Spytagen they were in colonial Massachusetts actually
I wasn’t surprised about the big reveal and Lilith punching Phillip in the face was both priceless and iconic. Now we have the mystery of what happened to the brother who strangely looks like Hunter.
Theory, Philips brother is actually hunter! Remember in the episode where it finally revealed Belos face and showed the book about placing people in new bodies and them having red eyes. Belos brother looks exactly like hunter, so could it be that somehow he was badly injured or was possibly about to be on his death bed and so Belos/ Philip transported his body into a new host?
That was pretty impressive
@Dimtree are you serious or sarcastic ?
it's not spoiler when it has been aired long ago, plus this whole video is a spoiler if you havn't watched the episode so why are you lurking in the commentsfield if you don't want spoilers?
@Dimtree then why tf are you in the comment section?? Owlhub or whatever has all the episodes.
@Dimtree ………………no
When Eda's dad gave her a seed, all I could think of was "The last truffular seed, you need to plant it, Ted"
Belos: I SAY LET IT DIE-
Loved the whole cool aunt / niece dynamic between Lilith and Luz as well as Philip Wittabane being revealed as having always been a manipulative sociopath
I think Eda's father is definitely a descendant of Phillip's brother. Similar nose to the brother and he looks very similar to Philip with the beard.
When I saw her father, only from behind, I at first thought it would be possible that he was Phillips brother in the flesh, but of course it wouldn't make sense with his ears being pointy, on the other hand, Belos has changed his ears.....anyway, a descendant sounds far more plausible.
For me it looks like a mistake in character design. They look too similar, while they shouldn't
@@lukasier26 Possibly, but then why draw them so both Hunter and Dell have similar noses AND similar palismans?
Yes
@@lukasier26 cartoon hater,you don't know how descendants works
My theory about why Phillip has those glyphs on his arm, is probably because he wanted to see if magic worked without having to rely on a piece of paper and a pen, or other such things, to draw the glyphs.
His his theory was probably that it would work like having a spell tattooed on you in DnD, so you can cast that spell without having to prepare anything.
I consider it evidence that Phillip put those glyphs on himself out of curiosity, is that the pattern on his arm looks a lot like the ones that he draws to “teleport”
exactly what I was thinking myself.... that he put those glyphs on himself in an attempt to be able to use the magic at anytime he wanted.... that the magic corroded him because he was "unworthy" or at least untrustworthy... resulting in the palismen addicted monstrosity we see today
@@greenhat8978 it could also be that due to him missing a magic bile the glyphs corrode his arm in an attempt to activate, kinda how the paper disintegrated when Luz attempted to use a glyph in the human realm, since there wasn't any magic to create a spell it self destructed, now he needs the palismen to suck their magic and be able to stop the corrosion of his arm. This would tie back to why Belos was experimenting on Basilisk in an attempt to figure a substitute for palismen since they were already becoming scarce.
@@CoconutEnjoyer that was my theory as well
I agree on that. What I think happened was that Philip tried to give himself the use of magic the way witches use it but he didn’t use the light glyph and so it backfired on him cursing him into the monstrosity we see today.
Which would also explain how Belos didn't need to prepare his spells to cast in season 1 finale.
One thing that no one is mentioning is the connection between Eda families and Belos. Don't you think its odd that the portal was found near The Clawthorne residence and it just so happens its revealed that Eda dad is the best Palasmin carver around and also it just so happens that Belos needs Palasmin magic to "negate" the negative effects of his curse. I don't think all these reveals are accident. I bet Belos and Eda dad worked out a deal of some sort
Or the modern day clawthrone’s are descendants of Philips brother perhaps.
@@mabel6802 Eda's dad wasnt alive back when Phillip and his bro arrived. They arrived in boneboro hundreds of years ago. It's more likely Belos brother married a witch and had kids. The Clawthorns are relatives of Belos.
Im calling it now, Luz said something about possibly missing a piece of the portal door. What if that piece was palasmin wood? What if she needs palasmin wood to finish the portal door? Furthermore, what if the Collector is the true villain of the show and Belos is just a pawn? What if the Collector is the one giving Belos commands, and Belos is saying those commands are from the titan?
Maybe they were brothers
maybe dell is bellos brother
What we have here, in this episode, is called a "Bootstrap Paradox" (Used a few times in Doctor Who). Basically Philip's actions in the past which led to the present (becoming Belos, the portal door being destroyed, manipulating literally everybody and the day of unity etc.) resulted in Luz and Lilith to go back in time to find Philip and get help/answers. However; Luz and Lilith's actions in the past (helping him retrieve that collector artifact and Lilith punching Philip, which seemed to further fuel his hatred towards witches (at least that what it looked like to me)) which results in what's happening currently.
The actions of all three were meant to happen, there was no avoiding it or changing it. And that's why it's a paradox. There is no beginning, no end, and we can never truly know which action started the other first, it's a endless loop.
Or a fixed time loop
I seriously thought so too
I hate that Bootstrap paradox, It's bloody illogical (in my opinion) so if I would write some fan-fiction in the future, I won't use it. We are the product of our historical past and creators/replicators of our society's present and future. And we swallow what society feed us with hook sink and liner.
I was glad that this episode finally confirmed once and for all that Philip was Belos all along and not Philip's brother. but now that it's been confirmed to those who theorized that Belos was Philip's brother i'm afraid i must say-"So much for that theory"
I know right I went crazy when I saw that Belos is Philip
I like how many people theorized the emperor to be human even before the introduction of belos
@@abcdkoajsbd7944 well his tech staff was kinda telling. The same happened with the Golder Guard regarding him not being able to use magic.
I kinda figured Belos was Philip all along. The hair, and how long he seemed to have been in the home of the Boiling Isles. Makes you wonder if Hunter is the Grimwalker version of Belos/Philip's brother?
Now there’s a theory that Belos is still the brother, and that he took on Philip’s identity after he died.
Ooh, if it IS true that the magic glyphs were actively hiding from Philip; then maybe that subtly implies magic has some kind of consciousness (or attraction at least) towards people with nice personalities and kindness. After all, most of the people we saw in the Deadwardian era were pretty openly kind (outside of probably already having magic organs because they were born in the Isles).
That would be interesting because then it would mean the light glyph/magic was the one thing Belos was not able to find on his own whereas it was the first magic that revealed itself to Luz.
Theory: the palistrum trees are the source of wild magic. The seed will be given to Luz to plant on Earth when she leaves
Tall brained
but magic doesn't work on earth right? or is she just going to repopulate the trees?
@@pauuulaaa2604 the commenter is saying that palismens/ palistrum trees carry magic and eda will give the palistrum seed to luz when she gets back to the human realm and plant it there so she can use magic/ glyphs (
Ik she was supposed to grow from it, but the literary parallel between her trying to show her interests and "inner magic" to her classmates and world and fails only to return, her inspiration and "weirdness " honed to open the eyes of her peers in a more mature way.
Interesting theory
This episode gives me a theory.
You know how Luz absolutely LOOOOOOVES the Azura books, and they seem to follow her adventures?
My theory is simple.
Luz is Azura and the author, going into the past to publish the book to make her future self be in love with adventure fantasy, and thus want to stay in the Boiling Isles when she gets the chance, to be like Azura.
To be like herself.
Good theory😊🥰👍💯💕💞💖
@Satan Worship why not?
@Satan Worship yes
@Satan Worship So here's the thing. The only known portal door was the one Eda had. Remember how Lilith tripped over nothing and it turnex out she actually tripped over her future self? Eda trips over the portal door, which is initially nowhere in sight. So my theory is someone, either luz or somebody else, sent the door through a timepool.
@@unvoicedapollo3318 the time pool theory is possible, that maybe it got dropped into one at some point in the past and emerged in Teen Eda’s time at that exact moment where she tripped over it and found it, as opposed to it being buried there by someone.
So I have a pretty out there theory now that they introduced teleportation.
I imagine the glyphs in this instance have to also act as coordinates. Otherwise you could end up somewhere you REALLY don't want to go. So what if there were glyphs carved in the door frame of the portal that act as coordinates to that allow for travel between Earth & the Boiling Isles and that's why we don't see them?
What Luz and Lilith crate is a “close loop paradox “ where their actions was meant to happen which is most terrifying and disturbing one because it means that your actions are being guided and we can probably assume that it was Belos 🤔🤔🤔. Belos definitely found a way to see the future. Philip really didn’t care about the people of boiling isles, it’s like they don’t exist to him as real people 😔
Sooo, in a weird way, ur saying luz helped create belos?
not guided per say, when time travel exists, then it already happened and you can't change that, even if you wanted to. A clear exaple of this is Dark S1, so many things happened because someone wanted to change things in the past, and trying to prevent them, MADE it happen.
Just like the song of the storms. Link learns about the song in the future, only to play it in the past and cause events that affect the future from where he started the loop
@@chicken0w044 and that’s call a “close loop paradox” it’s terrifying and disturbing because it implies that your actions are not your own which brings in to question about free will 😅😨
@@genquin im still so confused to what all of this means💀
I feel the brother of Philip married into the Clawthorne clan and that would mean Eda and Lilith are his nieces. Why the door was in the family graveyard.
Personally I agree, so far all the evidence we have points to Dell(Eda’s dad) being Phillips brother and/or a descendant of him
I can't wait for the episode that goes into belos' mind.... Phillip and Belos are one in the same everyone has been thinking that sense the show started. I can't wait to see where Phillip turned into Belos.
Dude that episode is gonna be WILD 😍
whop is happened
This episode confirmed that Philip Wittebane and Emperor Belos are the same person. Philip Wittebane was not really as noble as he was portrayed in his diary, making it seem like he was regretful for the people who died for him when he, in fact, sacrificed and manipulated them. I'm really interested in learning more about Bella's in the future and how he became emperor. Here's what I think of so far.
Emperor Belos justifies taking power and limiting magic because of the damage wild magic has done, but 400 years ago, it seems that the people of the boiling islands seem fine and even happier without the coven system in place. At first glance, it appears that Bealls was just using propaganda to justify the covered system, but I think it's more complicated than that. Remember, Emperor Belos has only been in power for 50 years. Who's to say that during the centuries, things got worse with people abusing magic and Belos seeing an opportunity, created the coven system to stop the abuse of Magic while becoming the ruler of the boiling islands. Or maybe he caused an event that got people to fear wild Magic and took the opportunity to install himself in power.
Another thing I noticed was that Philip Wittebane Hates witches and the demons of the boiling islands. That can be understandable because of the time period he was from. Most people from that time thought witches and demons were monsters. Well, the people of the boiling islands were friendly at first glance, but who's to say that he can have a bad experience living there? Of course, it's possible that he wasn't a nice person in the first place, which could've made things worse for him. Finally, Philip Wittebane/Emperor Belos is a liar; in the previous episodes, Philip Wittebane made it seem that he was regretful for all the people that were killed in his quest to get the titans' blood and return home. It's revealed he was outright lying about being remorseful, and he manipulated and used all those people as sacrifices without a shred of remorse. As Belos, he makes these promises that he refuses to keep.
I was thinking about his end goal; what is he after why is he doing all of this? my idea, and this is just an educated guess, is that he's looking to destroy all magic, he has a deep hatred of the people of the boiling islands and magic in general, and he plans to destroy it all bu fusing it with earth. As I said, I could be wrong, and as I said before, he can't be trusted, but I think he was telling the truth when he made it that he has no plans for invading earth; he has something bigger plan.
Tell me, what did you think about what I said?
I think you just hit the nail on the head, there is a small chance that this hypothesis could be what Dana wants us to believe though, she tends to make a think one thing only to twist it after. But I think like you that he was telling the truth when he said he did not plan to invade the Earth, there is something bigger afoot.
I think that him wanting to destroy wild magic is on the mark. Maybe he thinks glyph magic is wild magic, Since it is found in the wild. Also he is a white guy from the 1600s of course he is going to be prejudiced as hell against witches and demons. The reveal that he is human was foreshadowed all the way back during seperate tides when the golden guard called belos a man, not a witch, or anything. How he got pointy ears might be a few things, maybe self mutilation, or maybe a byproduct of absorbing palismans.
I don't know how many noticed, but through out season 2 we seen the ingredients for a Grimwalker:
-Galdorstone (Through the Looking Glass Ruins)
-Palistrom wood (Hunting Palismen)
-Stonesleeper lungs (Elsewhere and Elsewhen)
-Selkidomus scales (Separate Tides)
The last one is the Bone of ORTET, aaaaaaand since I recently learned that an ORTET is the organism from where a clone originates, it's safe to assume that the episode where will be a DARK ONE !!!!😰😰😰😰😰😰
Oh no hunter
Wait or Phillips brother
@@jsj3607 I think philips brother 😨
I think belos killed his own brother to make a clone (aka hunter), but idk what he’s needs a clone for 🤔
@@notspecificjustartistic7531 makes sense the dude is just screaming psychopath serial killer. He tried to kill Lilith and Luz, petrified scores of wild witches and palismans.
The scariest part about serial killers is that they oftentimes start off killing animals-soooo in context with the show those “animals” are palismans.
I’m now terrified for the fate of the unnamed brother-and especially for Hunter!
As the collector being the one who's giving phillip the knowledge of the day of unity I see him as the true master mind behind belos's plan as phillip knows of a prophecy needed the tides to be lowered as in for the collector to arrive for the day of unity
So she and belos rule demon realm and earth together.
@@brentdye1504
Exactly
@@brentdye1504
Philip said in his journal that is a he.
@@edizicu9853
Yes the collector is a guy
@@johnhayward998 True the collector was outside the boiling isles and Philip found the communication disc.
I love this episode and to find out about phillip is belos is no surprise and seeing Eda's father was incredible so I wonder if hunter will be in serious trouble!
Theory: The cast revealed Belos' weakness, if you look closely at the end where Phillip opened the collector thing, his wound created by Lilith, grew slowly in the same direction as his face scar in the present time. Could this be hinting that Belos' weakness are wounds?
Wow you mean he can die if he's wounded enough? Amazing
YOOOO I JUST NOTICED. In the mouse's flashback when phillip is standing in front of the Collector's door, the two blurred figures are basically the same shape of Lilith and Luz, that's some cool hidden foreshadowing of the same episode.
Ok hunter being a clone of belos's missing brother is growing strong as hunter being a grime Walker which could explain how hunter doesn't have magic and I really believe hunter is a clawthron or maybe hunter isn't a clone at all but a descendant of his dad that possibly dated a clawthron long before eda or her parents
Speaking of Hunter the next episode he'll be at the school
@@animezilla4486
I can't wait
No he’s almost certainly a clone or a copy of some sort or possibly even some kind of magical golem that resembles a human, whatever the case, he’s artificial
@@wonderful_whiscash9534
Yeah
With Phillips knowledge of glyphs I guess he must have been studying all the different experiments and experiences around the boiling isles and probably using magic to keep himself alive
Crazy parallel between Luz and Phillip:
If we assume that Phillip (and his brother) were outcasts like Luz, but, unlike Luz, Phillip didn't find the community and acceptance Luz found, remaining an outcast, causing him to grow bitter towards Witches and the Demon Realm in general
It goes further: maybe Phillip's brother did manage to make friends and find a family, like Luz, which could've driven a wedge between him and Phillip, who, after feeling like more of an outcast than at home, only wanted to return home
His desperation to return home might have driven him to use glyphs or other kinds of wild magic on himself. While his brother mastered wild magic, that same magic was ruining Phillip's body and mind.
All of the tension might have blown up into a brawl between the 2 brothers, both using increasingly powerful wild magic against each other, until Phillip finally cursed out (probably for the first time) and killed his brother, fueling him with guilt for his brother and hatred for the Witches and Wild magic that drove them apart
Again, unlike Luz, who has been kinda bringing people together (Eda and her family, Willow, Gus, Amity) and mending the cracks in society (Getting Viney, Jerbo and Barkus out of the Detention track into multiple tracks) while using and perfecting wild magic
Ok, I'm done
The theory above stands if we assume Belos is lying and the Titan isn't speaking to him, but maybe it could be speaking to Luz (whispers in Yesterday's Lie)
If we count people learning Glyphs as the Titan speaking to them, then maybe the Titan did speak to Phillip and his brother, but stopped after their fallout, and is trying again with Luz, to better results.
One last thing, from a character growth perspective on this parallel, Luz's ultimate test is reconciling with her mother, while Phillip's was reconciling with his brother, which he failed
Dude well done, I love this theory and I think it’s stands very well. Character foils are one of my favorite things to observe in shows. I thought hunter was luz’s character foil, and honestly I still think he is, but if your theory is right (and I hope it is to some extent) than belos is definitely also a foil. Also I say to some extent cuz I want to see philips brother at some point even if it’s only in flashback form.
@@notspecificjustartistic7531 a character can have more foils, Hunter could still mirrors Luz in terms of their family dynamics, Luz's is based in love and respect, while Hunter's based on fear and competitiveness.
My theory for the palistrum seed is it will be used after the defeat of Belos. Because Belos is on the hunt for for palismen, it isn’t safe to plant it right now. Maybe at the end of the series, Eda plants the seed to help the population of the palistrum tree. Jump cut to a few decades later, the Boiling Isles has it’s turquoise sky and a surplus of palistrum trees.
Interesting to point out Phillip said in eclipse lake he went in with a group of people, only to be the only survivor, seeing what we know now, the lies in his journal, that he was already writing about Luz and Lilith in his journal about the sleep walker, I believe this heavily implies, he left the group that came with him for dead, ounce he got the titian blood he was after, possibly using the fools blood to trap them inside and thats how he knew about it.
Here’s what I think:
In 1635, Philip Wittebane and his brother founded Gravesfield and were lured into the demon realm by a witch (as stated in Yesterday’s Lie). We already know that Belos, Hunter, and Kikimora is supposed to be an opposing parallel to Luz, Eda, and King. I think this witch (who is possibly the collector) tricked Philip and his brother into doing something dangerous, much like how Eda needed Luz to get King’s crown in the pilot. But it was something much more dangerous.
I read somewhere in this comment section that Philip’s brother’s clone is named “Hunter” bc he was an actual hunter in real life. We know the collector is someone who poaches beasts from the Owl Beast’s origin story. So maybe the collector lured them to fetch a creature they could get on their own. That creature is what got Philip’s brother killed and what he keeps at bay with the palisman.
I think that’s why he curses out at witches and why he referred to this era as the Savage Ages. Instead of being fascinated by magic with the experience, Philip holds a grudge to it.
I don't know if it is just me, but Dell and Philip (Belos) look oddly similar. They look to be about the same age, which could confirm that Dell and Philip are brothers. Which does kinda make sense why Dell has a yellow robin with a scar across it's beak. This can also help prove that if Philip and Dell are the brothers who got stuck in the Boiling Isles, that the Clawthorn Clan also in Belos (Philip), which would be great. It would also be cool to see that those two are brothers since one used to make palismans, while the other devoured/destroyed them. Maybe the reason why Dell has a palisman with an injury similar to Philip (Belos), is because he made that palisman for his brother, wanting him to come with him and turn from his ways. Now, I am probably not right, but it would be pretty cool to see.
Edit: Also, in the episode, after Lilith punches Philip, he says he hates wild magic. Soooo, does this mean that Luz and Lilith were the cause of why Belos (Philip) is trying to get rid of wild magic. Cause they do say they don't want to cause any time paradoxes, which they could have done when Lilith punched Philip, making him hate wild magic. Then again, I'm probably wrong.
I have the same theory
I feel like his dad is at least a descendant of belos' brother
I like your line of thinking but I think dell is a descendant of philips brother since that was in the 1600’s and as far as we know, philips brother didn’t use palismen to preserve himself. But there is the possibility of philips brother traveling forward a few centuries and joining into the claw thorn family rather than starting it. Idk, either way I’m super excited to see where the writers take it!!! 😁
Philip/Belos needs to take lessons from Callum from the Dragon Prince on magic, body glyphs/runes. Because that was *not* it.
When dark magic gives you something it always takes something away as payment. It Belos' case, it looks like that gross, growing green scar across his face is an unfortunate side effect of absorbing all of that palisman juice over hundreds of years. Lilith may have literally scared him for life, but it was Belos who kept picking at the scab. 🤢
I believe the artifact Belos grab from the chamber allows him to contact the collector, who he seeks to find an answer on how to bring his brother back alive. As we saw in the cave he had plans on what it seems to be a grimwalker already, but I'm pretty sure he was lacking the knowledge on how to properly make one so he seeks the collector to find his answer.
Theory, Philips brother is actually hunter! Remember in the episode where it finally revealed Belos face and showed the book about placing people in new bodies and them having red eyes. Belos brother looks exactly like hunter, so could it be that somehow he was badly injured or was possibly about to be on his death bed and so Belos/ Philip transported his body into a new host?
@Aleks probably, I think that they made have had a falling out before he was injured and result in him putting his brothers mind in a new host without his memories.
@@mabel6802 nice! 👍That actually helps explains how Eda’s dad has a similar bird as hunter and how Eda was able to find the portal.
what amazes me is that no one is theorizing about how phillip's super glyph combo works... what other possibilities this can bring to Luz's spells! since we saw in the S2B promo the king in front of a glyph combo that looks like an abomination
Loved the Dora the explora reference a lot along with Luz's reaction to it and the relationships between the characters in the episode was just very wholesome, Luz and Liliths aunt and niece relationship and Edas relationship with her Dad☺😊👩🏽👩🏻💼👨👧👩🦳
Has anyone noticed the skeletal hand at 12:11 right underneath Belos cloak? Is that Philips brother, because to make a clone you do need the remains/DNA of the person you want to clone.
There is a tag on it with an H.... I think you may be right.
@@sampfalcon5128 I didn't even noticed the H. Those are some big red flags.
It has weirdly long nails, looks more like a monster hand. The tag also has weird symbols on it as if it's a "specimen" just like the ribs on the desk, I have a feeling he's been practicing with other witches. Hunter may be the one that finally worked, but he used the "sacrifices" to perfect it first.
@@nerdycurls6253 Probably, but the hand though it could belong to a monster or witch, if it is Philips brother the flesh off the hand could have shrunken over the years. But you may not be wrong. Maybe Philip brother is still buried at eclipse lake, aka "this is ma grave" oh the irony, Hunter.
I think Philips brother was part of the Clawthorn clan, as Edas father looks very similar to Philip. It could also explain in spite of Hunters actions, the palisman is choosing to stay with him
So if Philip is 100% Belos, it’s possible or even likely he went through a time pool to emerge 50 years before Luz arrived and rose to power as Emperor, creating the Coven system likely with the promise to unite all witches and that he could speak to the Titan. That would explain how he’s alive in the 1600s and now.
My guess is he and his brother were lured into the Boiling Isles by the witch they met on Earth, who was also the creator of the portal door, and thus the only humans on the Isles until Luz came along. That would mean all the companions Philip had on his expeditions were witches, and he likely already had it out for them like during Eclipse Lake where, like with the eclipse mirror here, he let them be sacrificed while getting what he wanted.
What’s interesting though is his journal entries seen through the echo mouse never showed his brother, and also that in his journal his goal was to build a portal door to get home while the Philip we meet only wants to find the Collector. He could have just lied in his journal about making a portal door like he did about the other stuff, saying he was making a door when in actuality it was all for something else.
I’m curious how Philip learned of the Day of Unity, since the Philip we meet is already becoming Belos and is set on seeing it through, and how he became who he is, not just the glyphs on his arm and his hatred of witches, but who or what told him of the Day of Unity, what it truly is, and why he wants it to happen. In one of his journal entries he mentioned he wants to show others this place. As for his brother, it’s likely he died or they merely got separated somehow, and since then Philip grew a disdain for the Isles.
Can we please appreciate the continuity in Belos having a crook in his nose as evidence of Lilith punching him? Philip has a very smoothly sloped nose in all his scenes before this point, yet Belos has a small bump between his eyes. Outcast that he was, after Lilith broke it he likely wasn’t able to set it properly himself, so even hundreds of years later he has a physical reminder of Lilith and Luz. To speculate wildly, it could be that the green scarring on the present Belos could be from an infection?
I think it's the interesting that witches can't necessarily preform time travel magic themselves; but it does naturally occur in the world.
The day of unity will happen, Luz and the others won't be able to stop it, but they will defeat Belos in one way or another and the palistrum tree seed is going to be used to grow more palistrum trees back on earth which is going to somehow slowly make wild magic come to earth
I am fairly convinced that Philip's brother is, in fact, a Clawthorne descendant.
Soooo much of the show falls into beautiful place with this theory in mind. Not just the Palisman connections and the similarities in appearance, but it also completely explains why Gwendolyn and her great-grandmother knew of another human on the Boiling Isles and why the portal door was found where it was. She wasn't actually referring to Philip at all, cause Philip never left. Either the brother was the real mastermind behind the portal door or he simply took it from Philip.
My theory is that Philip (Belos) once had a connection with the titan which only humans have, but when he put those glyphs on him, he wasn’t human anymore and made himself a monster, severing his connection to the titan. With this theory it Luz would have have a special connection to the titan too. (I am aware that this doesn’t fully make sense but I am writing really quickly.)
This episode was the best one so far. Lilith shouting, "Hey! That better be your own grave you're digging!" at Philip and then punching him later just made her even more badass in my eyes. "Stay mad." Oh, he's gonna.
The owl house will always be one of my favorite shows. thank you for all your videos you’re such a great Channel
You mean… YOUR FAVORITE SHOW?!?!????!!
@@Gleox. it would be hard to say it’s not mine
“Bird palismen are a Clawthorne thing” -Dana Terrace
Hunter: *Has a bird palismen*
New Theory: What if Belos/Philip’s brother’s name WAS really Hunter? Or maybe a longer version like Huntsman? And the Hunter we know is probably Hunter 2.0. 😢😱😭
Well now that just hurts 🥺
Did anyone else notice Luz doing Sokka’s “Water Tribe” to describe Lilith as her “Cool Aunt” after punching Philip/Belos?
Lol Philip is literally every male historian in history. Rewriting everything to shine a heroic light on himself 😆 laughed thru this whole episode. Was spot on.
He reminded me of Hamilton for that reason 😂
Omg Ikr I couldn't stand it
I'm like wtf... lol 😆
I saw a mention about the scar on both palismen relating to Eda’s father and Philip but I didn’t know how to connect that into anything, but i feel like it’s less of a “oh that’s his brother and this was prophesied” and more of a ancestor thing/ hinting thing
I'm dying to know more next Saturday.
I can't wait to see my boy, hunter enter the episode.
Considering all the palisman connections, I'm betting that there's a high chance we'll see a palisman with a scar like Hunter's.
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Look at the scar on his nose in that last second... it got bigger! And it looks just like Dell's scars!
Dell ended up like that after being injured by someone with the Owl Beast Curse; which Lilith also has! Maybe that magical injury combines with Phillip's own Glyph Scar mutations to form curse Belos has in the present
Such a great episode. Always look forward to your breakdowns. And really looking forward to the documentary!!!
I was looking for an episode on this yesterday, awesome video just what I was looking for!
They actually foreshadowed meeting the Collector shortly after Luz first sticks her head into the portal of the Hecktatious period, with the left half of her face illuminated and the right half in shadow, mirroring both the face seen when Phillip used the mirror, and the art we've gotten of half a face that you guys theorized was the Collector. Perhaps hinting that Luz and the Collector are going to have opposite agendas when they do finally meet.
I also find it interesting how Phillip refers to Luz as 'Crab Maiden' on the bridge, meaning that he was aware of the fact that she came through the sand into that time from the very beginning, perhaps he had some knowledge of the time pools long before he started taking up the Belos persona, and thus figured that Luz was from a different time long before she had saved him in the alley.
As far as modern day Belos goes, and the words from the Plant Coven Head, I think that Belos realized that Luz hadn't gone back in time before her first confrontation with him because of Lilith's presence. Since he knew that Lilith hadn't split Eda's curse by the time that he and Luz fought, he likely remembered Lilith's face (and particularly, her one grey eye) and remembered her when Lilith first joined the Emperor's Coven. Basically, I believe he either took a shot in the dark and was betting that Luz hadn't been back in time by the time of the Coven Day festivities, or that he has been tracking the time pools via his own methods and knew that a Deadwardian era pool hadn't shown itself by that point in time, and so knew that Luz hadn't found one to that era yet.
What if when Philip successfully made the portal door he came back and realised that he couldnt do any magic there and he couldn't prove his discoverys to humans. He also probably told people about witches and the creatures on the ile which explains why theres so many theorys in the human realm about stuff that actually is in the boiling isles. After that phillip probably decided to back to the boiling isles and tried to combine the 2 so that he could prove his theorys to the human realm and help him concore both realms.
I wasn't surprised that Philip was Belos, but at the end of the episode when they revealed it, I have to say I was freaking out that they confirmed it. On Philip's arms, the same glyph combo he used to get to the collector door seemed to be on his arms. I think that perhaps using this specific combo has caused his sickness. He has used it before, when he said he sacrificed blue fang, so maybe since then he has had the need for palicmen in order to "heal'" himself which is why he had the pile in front of him. Also I loved Lilith punching him in the nose! Priceless XD
I like to imagine that belos’s payback for Lilith punching him in the face was not healing eda’s curse, this isn’t a theory, just a what if
i was waiting for YOUR video on this episode!!!! whitneyvision is my second favorite and awesome but i love the in depth analysis that you give because it has a bit more ideas toward the future of the show than others on the same topic and i appreciate it!!!!
I love the fact that this is what belos meant when he had Tara snapdragon deliver the message. It's probably also why Lilith had such a hard time in the emperor's coven was because belos was getting revenge on Lilith for that punch
Wait... Something just jumped in my mind...
What if Dale/Dell (sorry, don't know how to write his name) is actually a descendant of Philip's brother OR he IS Philip's brother. That Palisman might have chosen him and little Rascal was initially Philip's but because he resented wild witches so much, he made Rascal go away. It would make sense that it chose Hunter because he feels a kinship with him.
It would also explain the connection with the Clawthornes...
Another thing I found quite funny in this episode is that Lilith might be guilty of Belos' hate towards witches, and if that's the case I'm gonna lmao
I was so happy to know you were right! Amazing episode too!
Great video! I really enjoy this episode. I thought the theory about hunter and Dels palismen having opposite scars was really clever. What I'm intrigued to see though is how the show will explain Phillips ears turning to elf ears as belos( who is pretty much confirmed to be Phillip) ears are pointy. I'm also wondering what the wittebane family is thinking while their sons are missing as we see luzs mom get worried
While I liked the last episode more, this was still a really great episode. And a major part of that was cool aunt Lilith. It was so nice to see her and Luz bond in this episode. King also being acknowledged as a grandchild and the return of Steve was also a major plus.
Luz's family on the Boiling Isles has really grown and counting her family in the Human Realm she has quite a big family: Two awesome moms: Camalia and Eda, a twin sister: Vee, a little brother: King, some pretty great grandparents: Gwen and Dell, a crazy uncle: Hooty, a cool aunt: Lilith, an awesome girlfriend who will be her wife one day, Amity, and a pair of pets, Owlbert and Ghost.
Also, it seems the fan theory about Belos and Philip being one and the same was true, but most of us thought he was at least a decent dude while building his portal before whatever happened changed him into Belos, but it seems he was either always a jerk or whatever happened to curse him with those Glyphs happened a lot earlier. However, it seems the theory of him planning to use Hunter as a sacrifice and a new body or him using The Day of Unity to heal his curse wasn't true, as in this episode Belos says he just has to live long enough to see his plan completed, so it doesn't look like he has any intention of surviving after The Day of Unity, which makes him even more dangerous then we thought because to borrow a quote from Yu-Gi-Oh GX, "A man with no future should have nothing to fear." So the battle our heroes are in for maybe even tougher than we thought, even if they do free Raine and convince others like Hunter and other Coven Heads to defect.
I feel like there could be a way to duplicate seeds via the plant coven, which could be something willow could tie in with in the future
With the prophecy is what phillip is trying to created I think phillip made a deal with the collector
With Phillips help on merging two worlds together the exchange that his brother will be brought back to life and I believe hunter being sacrificed to the titan is a way that could possibly happen
or perhaps he is trying to unite himself with the Titan as a new "stable" body
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Possible theory
luz could theoretically use time pools to travel to a time where eclipse lake wasnt dried up and takes some to use (and this could backfire into being the very reason it became dried up to circle the story)
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Something that I told my sister and got the proof in this episode: the boiling isle is just humanity with magic powers.
I wonder if Eda’s portal only worked because of her owl beast? Owls are the only creatures we’ve ever seen other than giraffes, and the mural we saw on the owl house makes me wonder if owls are some kind of deities in the demon realm.
I just realized that the Coven tattoo things that limit a witches magic to one type might be a refined and fully functioning version of whatever Philip did to his arm. The stamps might be hundreds of tiny glyphs
I think the biggest implications of this episode are the hints towards non-euclidean glyphs. As Luz, for now, only has worked with the glyphs in a euclidean form (flat planes). But Phillip seems to work on non-euclidean planes (arm/tube). Implying that there are much more advanced combinations of glyphs ready to explore.
Been waiting for this =)
also love you noticing AND talking about palismen more!!!!!
When Philip says "and you're going to help me, collector" the wound on his nose grows was I the only one who noticed that?
She scratched behind his ears , and I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice the similarity of edas dad's and hunters palismen
Hello, I always enjoy your videos about the owl house theories! I recently rewatch the season 2 and I found something. In the newest series of owl house called”Any sport in a storm” hunter was obsessed getting the golden guard old patch to proved he is worthy to wear the golden guard patch. But in season2 episode 10 “Yesterday’s lie” when number5 goes inside the museum there was an golden guard old patch and they were more pathes around Luz’s home(aka. Gravesfield) as well! I hope it might help u out and have some theory about thisTT
Let's goooo!! Finally a new video to watch!
So there must be a connection between Philip, Hunter, and the Clawthorne's. The blue palisman in Philip's bag, Dell's yellow palisman, and Flapjack (Hunter's palisman) there must be some connection. But you might think that the blue palisman was Bluefang's, but there was another one shown in that bag, so there is a possibility.
dude i actually did not see that twist coming! i really loved it
Thank you for showing my art
SO GLAD TO SEE DEL’S PALISMAN AND FLAPJACK BEING MENTIONED TOGETHER! I remember Dana saying that birds were a clawthorn thing at one point, so that coupled with the scars only added to the already huge “belos and the clawthorns have a connection” fire
Anyone else had a chuckle that the Time Pools were introduced in a book called *“History’s Top 10 Plot Holes?”*
Also missed opportunity to reference The Collector in Marvel Comics in my opinion.
These videos are keeping me sane due to me not having cable.
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check out his nose in that scene.. the scar GREW. YO. WTH.
If you haven’t spotted it yet Philip’s pin , the golden guard symbol and the symbol on the library are all very similar. Just something to keep in mind since Hunter is bellos’ nephew
Great video as always!
I waited so long for this video to drop tho
Between Philip's scar growing when he consumes palisman and talking to the collector, did anyone else notice belos' theme begin playing after philip consumes the palisman. I ended up finding a compilation of belos' theme and when you speed it up, it sounds like what we heard in Philip's cave but in a different pitch.
I knew it, I even screamed that at the end of the episode
The Owl House is getting better everyday
A very good video! Loved the review!
When watching this episode, you see Philip has glyphs all over his right arm. My theory is, he carved those glyphs into his arm, trying to harness what magic he could muster up as a human. Something, however, goes very wrong, and it's affecting his body as a whole - almost like a curse of sorts - thus the name Philip/Belos (I'm pretty certain they're the same person) gave "Wild Magic". But then I also thought back to an earlier episode "Hunting Palismans" where Hunter is trying to help subdue the effects of Belos's condition, but when the Emperor has a small temper tantrum, his body deforms a bit as he punches a wall out of anger with what looked like a form of Abomination magic, but the arm he was also using, as we could see was his right arm - not only that, but Belos also gets angry when Hunter questions how "Wild Magic" did this to him in the first place, where he'd use intimidation as a way of evading the question. Almost like he didn't want to admit he had done this to himself - that he himself harnessed Wild Magic. He claims to despise anyone that uses any type of Wild Magic, and I believe if the Boiling Isle found out, he had also used it to gain power, it wouldn't look good for his image, and with the day of unity so close by....Tell me what you all think!
This episode is so big yet crazy.
It also explains why Belos seemingly kept Luz and the gang alive because he needed her to go to the past which means Luz no longer has any use to Belos
I have been waiting for this. Also it's my birthday 🎂 today
Happy birthday
I knew that phillip couldn't be trusted!
And also finally the Bellos is phillip theory was confirmed!
1:54 it would be very cool if that goes for hunter, making him in the future a palisman carver
The glyphs cut into Philip’s arm was something I’ve wanted to see for so long