How to start Bartitsu - la canne Vigny
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- If you want to learn Bartitsu - This is the right video to start.
I you want to defend yourself you need proper strikes with your cane. This video is all about striking fundamentals for Pierre Vignys "la canne" system.
The basic strikes were taught in an exercise called moulinet.
He created it differently to other French stick fighting systems of that time. Later he became head instructor of the Bartitsu academy of martial arts and physical culture in London.
Bartitsu was a martial art designed for self-defence by Edward Barton Wright in Victorian London.His school taught different martial arts as pugilism or bare knuckle boxing, French boxing known as Savate, Jiu-Jitsu and fighting with the walking cane for Gentlemen.
I use an old slim stick imho one of the best modern sticks you can get for Bartitsu these days.
Made by @csknives www.coldsteel.com/
We will have a look at that topic from a HEMA point of view. Our historical fencing background gives us insides others may not have.
Using the cane or umbrella to protect us in self defense is still a topic today. But this will be just the view cane masters of the past have on that topic.
Bartitsu got also popular as Arthur Conan Doyle let his figure Sherlock Holmes use Baritsu at the Reichenbach falls against his opponent Professor Moriarty. This makes Bartitsu so famous under Victorian or Edwardian era larper and in the Steampunkt community.
Bartitsu was not the only martial art uses the cane as a weapon, check out our other videos on that topic for example the method of Col. Monstery taught in New York city, be a cane master and join us!
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The movement comes very natural for me since I used to train with nunchucks in my younger days. The cane will come in handy when I get to the age where I can carry a walking stick with me inconspicuously. Merci pour la demonstration!
😬 a nunchuck kmows no mercy if the movement is wrong 😂
Btw. I bought a blackthorn cane on a flea market in NY and had to carry it the whole day. I think noone cared about it. Crazy City 😄
This is fantastic!
I hope you continue the topic of the Vigny Cane.
Glad you like it. First time I saw this, I liked it, but I did not see why other were totally flashed by it.
I admit, it changed 😅 and we will definetely do more of it 😃
Excellent pointers as always kind sir🎉
@@freakdye Hi,
Nice to reach out Sir!
I see on your channel you did some old school physical culture exercises too. I will have a look at this later 😃
Thank you! A very good introduction
@@holdmybeerandwatchthis4053
Thank you 🙏
At last Lang 👍 love ❤ your take on it 👍. I'm waiting to see how you do the "flip" & the "flick" your have the best videos on internet. Thank you! Cheers
You said it my friend:
to learn canne Vigny there is no way around Lang. He has the propper didactics beside the fancy demonstrations in The Persons article 👍
Thank you so much 🙏
Thank you very much sir.
You're welcome, glad it find some people who like it 🙏
One thing i like about your videos is something it lacks from other channels videos regarding using a stick.
Ie, the lack of glorification and being as brutal as possible. Seeing a trainer in other videos getting excited about ripping someone's face off is so distasteful. They have crossed over from self-defence or just martial arts training into what I interpret as "I hope I get to hurt someone with my cane".
Yours is to me so much better, serious, and trustworthy.
I practice mostly taijiquan. Recently I painted a practice sword white to remove the idea of battle or shining steel and blood. Its simply not helpful or necessary to focus on inflicting harm. I also decided to paint my sword so as not to scare children, dogs or tourists on the beach as i practice. I was pleasantly surprised when one gentleman shook my hand saying "I can see your swordsman technique " and he was impressed that i was able to make people relaxed and smile as I played so lightly with my (assumed) plastic swords.
I very much enjoy being seen as non threatening even with swords or spears, etc. I am "el maestro de blanko " ,Guru or Senpai .
A gentleman to all !
I often have to interrupt my training as holiday makers ask to join or to make friends with the many little doggies 🐕 that are only friendly to myself. Perception can be very placid and a useful defence. Enjoy your day ☯️ 🙏
@@TobiasHarms thank you very much for this.
I wasn't aware of the cane being part so many self defence movements. It was interesting to discover them and I was suprised by some hard stuff as well.
It might be my background in iwama aikido, or thanks to my teachers, but while I think that weapon practice or martial art practice in general should be fun and with a light heart, i also believe that it should be done with respect for the weapon, the partner and a possible real opponent.
@@TobiasHarms of course there is a time and a place for violence. But I am lucky to life in a place of the world, I dont need it.
Doing martial arts is mostly about health for me and I hope I will never find out if it will work in a situation to safe my life.
Super!👍
@@alexderkombinator3385 glad you like it 😃👌I hope you find some more videos you like at this channel 😎
Thanks for the video.
@@VTPSTTU you're welcome, I hope you will find some more interesting videos on the channel 🙂
Super! Such an informative and interesting tutorials! 🤺
🙏 it was longer then expected, I am curious how long the video will be watched by the viewers "without hitting people" 😅
@@OliverJanseps lol. “panem et circenses” (c) Juvenal. In my opinion it’s right enough. Not too long, not too short. Very informative and nicely structured! Hope to see part 2, 3 and so on.
For sure, but the next video will be about an very "unexpected" weapon in HEMA 😉🤫
@@OliverJanseps Can’t wait 😆
@@Timeblade_Guildsorry I didn't get the edeting in time.
You have to wait till next monday, but thos time it's set 🙂
You Sir have impressed me with you technical expertise on the subject. While cain fighting may have some overlapping techniques from saber etc.. It should be; however ,delivered like a light mace. And Sir bye your extension of elbow and wrist twirl, you demonstrated proper execution. I enjoyed your video demonstration and lecture immensely. I , as usual, eagerly await you next video lecture.
I am glad you liked it.
The canne Vigny is indeed somewhat different or special from other cane (and sabre) methods.
Thank you Sir, it's always nice to read your comments 🙏
Never heard of this before. I did see something on other types of stick fighting as well as shileighly defefense and jogo de pau(portuguese stick fighting)which might be similar. Nice video. Thank you 😊👍
You're welcome 🙏
The two styles you mentioned are also some most poeple will definetely don't know 😉
If you stay a bit on this channel, we will discover some more stick fighting arts 🙂
Also like the hat & stick, Cold Steel? And love ❤ the trick, with the tape. Cheers
@@peterjaimez1619 in the mean time I got comfortable with the hat, I actually liked it, as summer started here 😄
It's a slim stick, unfortunately Cold Steel took them out of production years ago.
Thank you 🙏 I think now i understand. I believe that it could limber the legs and give equilibrium 😀 I forget that those exercises were for children (very flexible people) a video eventually would be a nice addition 🤔 I'm glad you know about Fairbairn, very concise, but interesting material, cane, knife, naked hands etc. Cheers
If I find someone who could do this well, I will do a video for you -like I did with the squats 😅 - because since you should do not bend your upper body that much, I am out on this one, 😄
Fairbairn is truely an very interesting personality. And we will come back to his sequence at time, I promiss 😁
Excellent video! I will include this as a warm up for singlestick
Some moulinettes will suit the Single stick well.
If you like doing Single stick from hanging guard even better 🙂👌
@OliverJanseps I've been told it's better to fight from inside or outside guard, but it seems better to fight from hanging as I'm not a tall man so it helps against those with reach.
@@kieranlock3070 from a Christmann point of view I could not more agree 😉
@@OliverJanseps I will keep that in mind 😆
Neat video. I have never looked much into cane fighting but I like single stick, sabre, and staff so it looks very similar with a slightly different context.
Yes, it's definetely a small step over from your background ... and as in sabre there are also various methods.
So one will find some fitting for his sabre style ... or dive into the next ranbit hole 😆
Monstery's book is on my next to buy list, its too bad he didn't write any books on foil or sabre though.
The book by Ben Miller is really good and very entertaining. Monstery were a very interesting personality. I could easily think of an movie about his life 😅
Oliver my friend, that's the beauty of it, I use a string which with my arm fully extended won't hit my face, and I can use it at maximum length were there is room, and at a reduced length indoors . With fingers and a bit of wrist (like you are supposed to use a foil) with more wrist and elbow, with shoulders or any combination 👍😀 also at each end I have a different weight, so the movement varies. With the heavier one is a bit more challenging (and dangerous), with the lighter is easier and safe. I use it for other things too! ❤ like wand exercises, and counting, very useful ☀😇 Cheers
@@peterjaimez1619 ah, I see 😊
I didn't read about your tool the first time 😉👏
Another great cane vid! Would love to see your take on Delauney and Larribeau (but we don't want to over work you...)
I have to justify myself as beeing your stick sensei 😎
I had a play with Larribeau as Chris Slee came out with his translation and I liked it. Its on my list.
But my ruff list is btw. ~ 60 sources for cane and/or baton 🙃😅
Great I'll be watching Sensei!
@@russ7928 😃 Oss! 🙏
Hallo ! Ich benutze diesen Stock oft. Deshalb habe ich es ein wenig fertig gemacht - ich habe eine Spitze von einem Trekking-Stick mit einer Titanspitze am Ende getragen. Ich benutze es beim Gehen auf Eis. Und darüber wird eine austauschbare Gummispitze für das tägliche Gehen angezogen. Daher ist es jetzt absolut legal , dass der Stock bei Bedarf auch für ernsthafte Stichschläge verwendet werden kann . Und ich benutze auch einen gleitenden Paracord-Verschluss.
@@sergeyleopard8872 der Stock ist so leicht, mit einer Spitze am unteren Ende wüsste jeder moderne Fechter damit etwas anzustellen falls nötig.
👍 You might be interested that it is possible to do the exercises with a simple piece of string, with a small weight attached, using mostly the fingers, and a bit of the wrist, very good to strengthen them, coordination and fun. Also you can do it anywhere 🤗 .Cheers
@@peterjaimez1619 yeah that would solve the problem with Langs advise 👌
But it is necessary to use the fingers instaed of the wrist only?
You probably know James I. Pearson, who had a small article on cane called "Manner of carrying cane is acquired by practise in ancient asset of defense" with a short form (kata) if so do you know more about him? Cheers
I read the article on HEMAmisfits once, that's all I know 🙃
And I do not gave it a practical try till now but it's on my list for a little fun in between 😉
"You europeans have no martial Arts!"
Ancient gladiators, boxer and wrestlers leave the chat en block.
Exactly 👌
Not to say the Japanese were facinated by European boxing and fencing. Included it in their style of swordfifhting as well as Kano praised boxing as free randori -the same way he wanted to go with his judo.
Their is no culture on earth without an martial art. Human were always good to 'create' something to fight each other 🙃
Hi, again Oliver 😀 two questions: 1.- Turner wand page 35 illustration 4, wand between the legs, I'm correct in assuming that you move first, exercise VII, with one grip (do the Turner steps) and then change grips and repeat? & 2.- Do you know that Fairbairn of "get tough," "defendu", has a routine with the cane? Cheers
1) yes, exercise VII has two variations: palm up and palm down.
The exercises are not about stepping out, but stepping over the wand one leg after another and back.
2) yes, and I was thinking about a small video on that with a few toughts 🙂 It's historicaly a bit late, but anyway 🙃
Where can I purchase a slim cane low weight and graduate to higher weight? I hope you do more videos
Unfortunately I have no außer for that. The Stimme stick by cold steel is not in production anymore 😕
But for straining purpose, it need not to be beautyfull.
You can experiment with (ash) sticks of different diameters and use lead tape to give the end different weights.
Its possible to change direction very quickly by directing the cane into the arm pit then simply reverse.
This reversal of direction can be very fast. Example-kick the bottom of the cane up towards the groin, when blocked or contact is made simply swap direction of the swing to a overhead strike. I use a curved handle cane mostly so i can rapidly spin the cane like a helicopter blade swapping from one side to the other. Its very intimidating 🤔
This quick direction changes after a parry is infact also done in the system 👌
But I have a question about the helicopter because it is something I am thinking about right now.
Is this something originated in Eastern martial arts, kung fu or something similar?
Gibt es da auch empty hands?
Bartitsu war ein Hybridsystem bestehend aus mehreren Einzeldisziplinen, die ander Schule gelehrt wurden.
Darunter fand sich neben dem Stockkampf auch englisches Boxen, französisches Savate (Kickboxen), schweizer Ringen und Jiu-Jitsu aus Japan.
Also ja, genügend 🙂
Sadly Cold Steel doesn't make the slim stick anymore. What is the weight of your stick? I have the newer Pistol Grip City Stick by CS with an added rubber tip for walking on smooth surfaces. It weighs about 20 oz (580 g).
Also, I like the tip for the tape wrap. I have problems keeping the cane from sliding in my hand when trying pommel forward moulinets. A bit of hockey tape should help.
One other question, how far from the end should your hand be? I've seen demonstrations with the tip being close to the wrist and others with the tip almost back to the elbow.
Thanks again. And, this has been shared to my HEMA group.
That's truely a pity. It was more or less a spontanious buy after my first Bartitsu class 😅
It's a really light weight 6.7oz (190g)
H.G. Lang wrote it should be held six inch from the tip.
But in my experience it varies a bit depending on overall lenght and weight of the head.
There is a position which should feel quite natural.
@@OliverJanseps, thanks again. I did have students choke up on the stick when they had problems with controlling the tip.
Finding an 8 or 9-ounce stick will be the challenge. With a stick that light, the movements would be easier than with my heavier sticks (20oz city sticks & even heavier Hame cane). With the heavier sticks, it makes more sense to keep the weighted end closer to my hand, like a counterbalance. That speeds up the broadsword/saber-style cuts I make. I will have to figure out a light stick just to figure out this way of manipulating the strikes, even if it is a wooden dowel with a rubber end.
You don't have to go that lite. But a good training option is a simple rattan stick (which suits canne Vigny very well) with a rubber ferule on the wrong end 🙃
French or german accent?
@@breannestahlman5953 interesting that you struggle between these two 🤔
But it's indeed German 😅
lol
You're welcome 🙂
leider kann ich die deutsche Aussprache nicht ertragen... 'preVent' nicht *#preWent', gosh...
Du hättest mein Englisch mal vor vier Jahren hören sollen 🙃
I found this by searching for "good canes". I call this providence as due to a recent injury, I will probably have to use a cane for the rest of my life. Thank you for this video, I will check out your others and subscribe. This looks like a journey I want to take. Edit: should I be calling it a stick instead of cane?
@@dontsupportrats4089 I hope you get as well as possible!
But in the sense of "if live gives you lemons, make lemonade" I welcome you to the journey 🙂
If you have questions or whiches, dont hesitade!
I am not a native speaker, but I use (walking) cane or walking stick interchangeable 🤷♂️