Could This Be The BEST Standup Grappling Style?
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- Today I have the honor to invite Master James Lin to teach me Shuai Jiao! Master James is the son of Master David Lin, who was one the stop students under GM Chang Dongsheng.
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Do you think Shuai Jiao is effective?
Most definitely. It hurts and is effective. I've learned to appreciate the art over the years and respect the amount of work it takes to perfect the throws.
In my experience, Shuai Jiao is extremely effective. Especially once you learn how to interrelate and set up the techniques, like Master Lin demonstrated. Also, once a Shuai Jiao technique begins, it's very difficult to counter.
Absolutely! It is definitely worth checking out !
I would say even more than Judo,it looks like an hardcore version of it.
Absolutely. These take downs and throws are definitely worth learning
*kevin in the middle of getting slammed in a street fight*
“Oooh, nice!” 🤣💜
😂 I immediately pictured Kevin getting a gun pulled in him "Ooh nice!"
That's how it is when you love technique. You get joy out of seing it expressed whether you are executing it, or getting your butt kicked with it 😂
@@fhmstudios3884 agreed! It is a little distracting in the midst of an application, however.
@@fhmstudios3884 that's a fact
It's almost like watching anime when they be speaking during the fight 😂
This martial art needs more exposure since a lot of people don't realize how diverse Chinese martial arts is
I hate even saying that I practice "kung fu." It's such a huge umbrella term. I just say Northern Longfist or Xing Yi.
@@arbogast4950often the people i know who say it just use the umbrella term because it saves a long attempt at explaining it before the guy just calls it kung fu anyway
Admittedly I've never practiced a Chinese martial art, but as far as online goes, people need to know about Shuai jiao and sanda to know Chinese martial arts aren't all worthless delusional chi manipulation
I just know it too
This is copy cat judo.
I like how Kevin is obviously an experienced martial artist but still aproaches them humbly with an empty cup. Amazing videos with great information.
Definitely! I’m a judo brown belt and Jiu-Jitsu brown belt. I first found out about Shuai Jiao and Bokh because I was studying the Mongolian judoka, they were so explosive and had a very unique throwing style. Digging deeper and I just kept learning more
Hi, could you share some insights on what are the biggest differences between judo and shuaijiao?
They have brown belt in Jiu-Jitsu?
@@EpiphanyMindChange yes it’s the belt right before black
@@hangover4833 things I noticed is the grips because of the jacket style are different and also judo has newaza the ground work (submissions and pins)
@@hangover4833 also Chadi has a great video breakdown of the differences of Judo and Shuai Jiao
Thanks for checking this stuff out Kevin. I feel like a lot of good kung fu gets overlooked.
This. After all the bashing done ever since MMA was popularized it's good to see these traditions actually have a lot of value.
No doubt
The problem is when Mao took over China, he suppressed the martial arts and basically focused on replacing them with yogic exercises without combat applications that are obvious
But the absolutely traditional Chinese MA is deadly and so on. Very combatives based
@@thegamephilosopher2214 because communism ruins everything.
@@alexanderkappelhoff2819 no one bashed Chinese martial arts. They did it to themselves with those fake kung fu masters.
The dude literally just showed 2 basic sweeps on his willing opponent. He's not demonstarted any capabilities of his "art".
Put him in a
2:20 His insights on continuity seem really important. It struck me that he was basically explaining one of the main reasons that the intended functions of so many martial arts forms were forgotten over time.
It's getting at the same thing that a number of others are trying to address by re-introducing and/or re-emphasizing sparring. The functionality lies in first learning to connect each step of a form together instinctively, and that's found by repeating the form over & over then sparring it until it refines into one integrated movement rather than a series of discrete steps.
It makes me think of the old Arthur Murray-style of dance instruction where they place those numbered footprint outlines on the floor for you to follow. You start by learning to count along to the foot placements over & over to music until one day your mind & body put it all together and you're dancing.
Neurologically that is how we humans learn.
First every part of a motion is a seperate step as we need to grow a neurological pathway between the cells in the brain. Then like a path on a patch of grass the more we go there the wider and more defined it gets. So neurological pathways that is repeated in use gets thicker and thicker and hence get quicker and quicker and used with less effort.
After a while of repeating the seperated steps get copounded into a chain of steps that is initited by a single impuls in the first step. It goes from each step being a deliberated choice processed by the concious desicion making part of the brain, to just the first initiating step being conciously processed and the rest of the steps then runs in the background. The combination have now become fully automated. This is why many martial arts have exercises where you isolate specific set of predetermind motions and then repeat them over and over again.
However long chains of combinations that makes you locked in to a predetermined set motions that needs to be finnished before you can initiate a new one are not benifical in the long run (think OCD). So the next step is to break this chain down and create places where it is possible to branching off into other chains of motions - forks in the road. This is so you can adapt the chain depending on the new information that comes in while the chain of motion is executed. Done right this creates a web of possible routes, possible combinations of motion that are no longer processed by the concious decision making part of the brain. Now you can adapt the chains of motion and apply them on the fly to new situations. This is why more advanced practioners often go back to basic after a while and break down the basic moves into step-by-step moves once again; to correct previous misstakes, increase control an create "forks".
The more you do this the stronger the "forks" becomes branching of (adaptations) is done with less effort. When this has been done enough even the forking off will become automated and run like a "background process" and you can flow through the chains of motion with ease, adapt as you go without much concious thought.
We all do this. This is how we learn how to crawl, walk, run and jump (and fall). In the begining each correction off the balance was a seperate step, later on it is done effortless without much afterhought.
However it can also from a martial arts traning be broken down into four steps:
1) step-by-step learning
2) Automation
3) Variation
4) Adaptation
Or in a Japanese context:
1) Kihon
2) Kata / waza
3) Henka / ura waza
4) Randori
Some bake that into the ki-ken-tai-ichi or ken-tai-ichi-yo (mind, weapon and body as one) concepts but that can, depending on who you ask, include more or less 😊
in learning piano you can tell a beginner since they overemphasize each note instead of playing the whole phrase of a melody as a continuous flow. Same principle. It's like how the whole is greater than the parts.
@sirseigan a more modern break down of the levels, is the crawl/walk/run progression.
Most bullshido seekers only want everything to be at run. But when see something working at run, complain it is not being shown at crawl so they can learn it.
@@sirseiganthis was by far one of the most in detail and great comments i’ve seen. earned a subscriber from me please spread this around!!
they call it muscle memory. i call it tendon and nerves reflex.
Indeed brother. Shuai Jiao is brutal!
Looks exactly like the Judo I learned as a teenager in the 70s except without the gi and we didn't shoot like a wrestler. It's interesting to see the similarities and differences between the various arts within different cultures.
Yeah based on the moves shown only, if someone told me he was a Judo guy, or a college wrestler or a Sambo guy I would have believed them.
Chinese martial arts influenced Japanese martial arts historically
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Such a great video! This was so much fun, and they seem like very knowledgeable, and genuine guys!
Tai chi and Shuai jiao😊👍 what's next? Hmmmmm!
Chin Na!
Yessssss!
It was shit tai chi and shuaojiao is just shit. He won’t find a good chin na guy either . He does not appear to have a discernment for who or what is good. Take it for empty CZcams calories not “nutrition”
Chin na is less a seperate art and more a sub part of the chinese grappling.
@@ehisey yup. Most systems have some sort of Chin na.
I think Kevin is missing out if he dosn't try it for us.
Another amazing 😍 video, Kevin! I love it! I really love that system, Shuai Jiao. A thousand thanks 👍 for sharing it. Have a wonderful weekend.
Check out Grandmaster Chang Dongsheng, Shuai Jiao. He was a legend.
This is it! Master James Lin is the son of Master David Lin, who was one of the top students under GM Chang Dongsheng!
@@KevinLeeVlog Awesome! GM Chang was a friend of my teacher. Small world.
@@KevinLeeVlog Where can one study with Master James Lin?
@@PracticeTaiji His father was in Atlanta. I don't know if he's still there?
@@nospam3327 That seems to be the case. I found him of Facebook. Thanks.
You did it!!!!! He also hits and kicks hard AF LOL. The striking, the sumo / bull fighting is brutal too, and all the wild leg hooks lol. Pre pandemic our class was awesome. It was out of the Gracie Academy. We had practitioners of Combat Shuai Chiao (which includes striking), Wrestling, Judo, BJJ, Tai Chi, Wing Chun, BaGua, all under one roof practicing. I can tell you… Shuai Chiao is it’s own animal. Very effective. Very difficult to grasp, the constant spinning and turning is very different. Also Shuai Chiao had NO weight classes even for the children. Also like in the Wudang tournaments every year you’ll see girls compete against the boys (and win). It’s an art that expects and respects your skills 😂🤣😅😅😅
Can you tell us more about the Wudang tournaments? I'd love to know more!
Stop the cap. Boy not one person there could do bagua or taiji well, wingchun is beyond useless, bjj 😂, wrestling is good.
Y’all just doing a circle jerk in that room.
Wudang is one of the most interesting. Seen them doing lightness Kung, where they runn up a 10 foot wall an kick a bottle off the top, jumping off high drops. Cool stuff
Shuai chiao is amazing. The techniques, the training, the training apparatus - everything. 💯
Extremely good points through the whole clip. Excellent!!! Thanks for Posting, Kevin.
I loved this one! super interesting and extremely knowledgeable guests. I feel like your content is getting better and better.
Thank you!!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
This instructor is jacked!
Great video by the way. In watching him take you down, I’m seeing applications for some of the moves we have in Karate kata. I’m sure this grappling style was one of the many styles that contributed to the creation of Okinawan Karate
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing!
The master instructor presented graciously. Great presentation! Semper Fi
Dope video, by far the best concise explanation of shuaijiao I’ve seen online. I like the rapport and respect you showed to Master Lin during his demos.
I trained BJJ in Chengdu China for a few years and never did shuaijiao myself but rolled with a few guys who did. They were always tough as nails.
“Counters for their counters”: that element of meta is how you know a legit martial art.
谢谢老师！ oss
Master James Lin is amazing. I attended one of his courses in Long Beach 5 years ago and my neck has never been the same(😉no fault of his). Impressive man and patient teacher. Very cool to see him on your channel 👏👏👏
For those who're curious, the two characters in Shuai Jiao, literally meant the following:
Shuai (摔): Smash to the ground (as a verb)
Jiao (跤): Trip & fall (as a noun)
So it's a highly pragmatic name, pointing out exactly what you're supposed to do your opponent :)
That's why Shuai Jiao is often also used as an overall term for takedown wrestling in general.
To specify the Chinese style(s) of takedown wrestling,
the phrase Zhong Guo Shi Shuai Jiao (中国式摔跤，”China-style takedown wrestling"),
or Zhong Guo Jiao (中国跤) for short, is sometimes used.
Master Lin is very impressive. Great video. Thanks for sharing it. You can bet I've subscribed and rang the ALL bell. I want to see more of this.
Extremely effective and practical. Kevin, if I may I’d like to suggest a light ‘live’ spar at the end to demonstrate fully 👍
Shuai Jiao, and especially Baoding Kuai Jiao (the military based fighting art from the chinese city of Baoding) which is by the way the art spreaded by the undefeated champion and SJ Grand Master Chang Dong Sheng , is an incredible system that includes all kind of combat skills such as wrestling (摔, shuāi), striking (打, dǎ), kicks (踢, tī) and joint lockings tachniques (拿, ná).
Does it have ramming (Zhuang)?
This shit is like an insect attractant for kungfu nerds who will come in here and start naming their great knowledge of Chinese words and old Chinese men
But no videos of them even throwing someone
@@RAPEDBYBLACKS aren't you often under Inside Fighting? He did make a video on Shuai Jiao,showcasing his effectiveness.
If you are talking about us,i don't think you will see a video of me throwing someone any time soon.
@@junichiroyamashita Studied under a student of Chang Dong Shen , taught his Shuai Jiao techniques and his form of Tai Chi.
So the original Chinese "jujitsu" shuai jiao came from.
awesome!!! love this channel! love the different martial arts especially with top practitioners
Awesome video. Suai Jiao is dynamic and powerful grappling of China.
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So proud to see my 摔角 uncle's lineage alive and prospering! From Taiwan, thanks for the video, Kevin and "Uncle" James!
It’s real trash tho 🤷🏽♂️ shuaojiao in general not just your lineage. Happy to prove it if you take any issue with my statement. In Seattle fyi. Happy to show you how shuaojiao should be done
As a practitioner from Chang Dong Shen"s line, Thank you!
As an ex folk style wrestler and coach, anything about different styles of wrestling fascinates me. ❤❤❤❤ this goes for judo also. Is this a sport in China like it is here in the USA??
China's Shuai Jiao is descended from the Manchurian's style, it is like judo without sacrifice throws, it is still a popula sport in beijing.
Its getting more popular in china as well, they have states teams but for regular people if you are not from certain regions it is not easy to find a place to learn
l bet you'll love Vietnamese traditional village wrestling
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it is, but it is also a martial art with weapons and stuff.
@@superfatbobtail depends on the style of shuai jiao. Some are from Manchu Boke like the beijing style while others are from Mongolian Bokh style and others from old chinese JIao Di and Kuai Jiao(fast wrestling)) or Shanghai style which is a fusion of all three.
This vd is like reviewing a subject in the morning" that you have not studied" before with a friend, and you will be tested on it in 5 minutes.
It is very clear.💯
These little snippets from these two are really good. Very concise and to the techniques over waffle.
I love this term "continuity"!! I'm going to use it! Thank you for sharing.
Yes awesome techniques with a lot of finesse ... thanks for explaining and showing Shuai Jiao. Respect to the masters.
Masterful video with so many pearls explained
thank you, Kevin, and thank you Master Lin…. What an excellent, and understandable, explanation and demonstration of Shuai jiao
Thank u Kevin for sharing this. I appreciate it. Now we get to see some real shuai Jiao.
Really fine. It is great. Thanks
Lol!!1 He threw you around like a rag doll. Very good Kevin. I needed to see this. t.y
Love it great stuff guys the more styles the better.
Awesome collab!
Thank you!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Keep on learning, Kevin. This is fantastic to see and learn. These techniques can definitely be used in combat, very intuitive and can translate from grappling style to grappling style. Love it
Hope you check out Bajiquan as well
I've studied several martial arts over the past 50 years. I really like the attitude of these two guys.
Love it!!!
Interesting, I've been looking for ways how striking could be integrated with grappling styles like Judo. Looks like it already exists in SJ, wished we saw more of it.
As suggested by some posts, old style SJ was a 'dangerous' combat martial art, not a 'competitive' style. Today, I know there are competitive -style SJ School in Columbus Ohio , and elsewhere. I'm sure you might Google to find one nearby, if it exists. In addition, you might explore Chen style Tai Chi. Note that most Tai Chi schools teach exercise or competition Tai Chi. Self Defense and Combat style Tai Chi, even Chen style are difficult to find, or even to get people to talk about.
There is already a striking curriculum in Judo. Look at Kime no Kata; Kodokan Goshin Jutsu; Judo Taiso; Kime Shiki; Joshi Judo Goshinho; Seiryoku-Zenyo-Kokumin-Taiiku.
Lol, it exists in mma, sambo.. for YEARS!!
A lot of traditional styles did this. But it lost emphasis over time, partly because boxing made striking popular. When Japan imported Okinawan karate, the grappling aspects were diminished because they wanted something vastly different from judo
Find a very traditional not so sport focused Judo school. Old judo still had the basic striking stubs (very basic strikes) and blocking system to lead from blocks and parries in to throws.
The "leg spring" is so interesting. I train wushu (yes yes, not real kung fu) and we emphasize that "pop" when transitioning from horse stance to bow stance. This is now clarifying the exact application of that leg pop. Fascinating.
Please don't diminish yourself. Wushu is absolutely "real" kung fu. It's an amazing art and is as much kung fu as is shuai jiao or bajiquan or wing chun
don't say that wushu is some of the hardest training ive ever done it is real kung fu
Wushu is used as a modern term for ProFormance kung fu/gymnastics but people forget it is the literally chinese word for Martial arts Wu(martial) and Shu(arts) in the past.
@@LewisCho Wushu isnt a martial art style/system it is the generic chinese umbrella term for all kung fu systems. Wushu means Martial arts.
@@teovu5557 In the West, Wushu specifically refers to the specific non-combat-centered, more acrobatic discipline of kung fu
great content!
This is cool, thankyou.
'Inside fighting' did a vid recently having a look at Bajiquan, and id love to see your take on that if that's an option.
Amazing guys thanks for sharing.
This kid is so super nice that even when slammed to the ground, his expletive is: “Nice !” 😂 …Love it.
Kevin, such a great video, I just love grappling martial arts and this one seems that has it all, I would just love to have this more implemented in BJJ.
Sifu Fong also speaks of continuity. He teaches drills the same way. 1,2,3,4. 1,2,3. 1,2. Then, 1. Love this guy, Kev! The Tai Chi brother is also amazing! Thank you for sharing!
This is really cool. I'd love to learn this one day.
Excellent demo! A lot of very useful information. Thanks. 👍What is not stated is that for street application the main goal of the takedown is for them to land awkwardly with shock and damage from impact with the hard ground. To train this with partners in the dojo it is necessary that you have mats and training in breakfalls or you will lose students on first demo because they don't understand how a breakfall works.
This gentleman is an excellent instructor.
Shuai Jiao is the oldest martial art in Chinese history, predating Luohanquan/Shaolin Boxing. Great video! I first heard of it in MK Deadly Alliance in the biography of the character Hsu Hao.
Predates the Shaolin temple by thousands of years. Even predates the Buddha
@Ontonaut Yes, that is very true. Taoism/Confucianism and Chinese folk religions were the chief religious and political philosophies predating Buddhism in China.
That leg spring is really cool!!
Love his, I have done martial arts all my life almost (not as a baby of course). Tai chi since two decades but this is really awsome. I wish this club had a youtube channel or something
NO! Judo & Jiu Jitsu "and others" ARE WUSHUKUNGFU! It comes from kungfu, it comes from Shuai Jiao and Qina etc's...
#Wushukungfu.
Thank you for showing us this martial art ❤
Very impressive!
I like it. Going to look for more.
Great vid!
I love how every place that was once the center of their own eras had their own style of grapling. I think it's fascinating.
Awesome!!
thank you for sharing💚
I love seeing new/different styles getting showcased that are less mainstream
Excelente. Una breve mirada a las verdaderas artes marciales chinas. Gracias!
great stuff Kevin!
I think by far the best grappling style I've seen for takedowns on concrete without a shadow of a doubt
Wow, amazing. I never knew about this art form. I love it.
Thank you for sharing.
The leg spring can be an awesome variation to underhook uchi mata. Thanks Kevin. Great content.
thank you for this video! interest level 100!
Looks amazing, I like any art that has street in mind. Especially grappling arts that don’t want their students to lay on their back in the street. Would like to see more of this system.
lie on their back
WOW ! this is actually good! 👌
I love your content big martial arts fun this is fascinating to me all this stuff
That first take down really butters my bread. so slick
Amazing love it ❤😂
Yes the control points or moves great in closequarters balance and controls works
From what I recall, this is the oldest form of Chinese martial arts! Amazing stuff Kev!
I really enjoyed this video. Short and sweet. Are there any good books or websites you would recommend on this art?
Search for "American Combat Shuai Chiao Association". This organization was started by James Lin's father, David Lin, a top student of Chang Tung Sheng. They have chapters in Texas and Chicago. And James is in Long Beach CA I think.
There is also the "United States Shuai Chiao Association", founded by Daniel Weng, another student of Chang Tung Sheng.
They both teach "Chang-style" Shuai Chiao, which came from Baoding Shuai Chiao (or "fast" Shuai Chiao).
Check out Lavell Marshall. He originally learned Combat Shuai Chaio and Hung Gar and was a multi time champion of the art. But found himself getting wrecked by the Mongolian wrestlers, so he moved to Inner Mongolia to master Bokh. He's been there for 3 or 4 years now
Excellent 👍 thank you. Amazing flawless perfect strength 👏💪🥋
I was really fascinated by the leg spring. At first I thought he was going to simply do a variant of uchi mata, but this gives me a new trick to try on my teenage son.
That room looks like a movie set where a crazy fight is about to break out, and in the audience you are already picking out the weapon you hope they grab next.
Shuai jiao is one of my favorite Kung fu styles, one of the great legacies that the Qing dynasty left to Chinese martial arts. although it would also be interesting to talk about the Shanxi style and the Mongolian Bokh.
I'm a instructor in ketsugo Jujitsu 🥋. This man is teaching real techniques that will work in real life.
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Judo & Jiu Jitsu "and others" ARE WUSHUKUNGFU! It comes from kungfu, it comes from Shuai Jiao and Qinna etc's...
#Wushukungfu.
first time i saw this as a independent Martial art, I always saw it as part of others disciplines curriculum, this is very cool
it is such a beautiful art, it should be taught more like Judo
Thank you...
I learned many of these techniques from the late martial Arts Self-Defense teacher Charles Nelson...
One of your best encounters and vids a lot of the Tai ji Quan syllabus has Shio Jiou techniques and as i see you are discovering ? Theres so much to study and its good to have hobbies and you obviously have skill and enthusiam keep on amigo
The fact that they are wearing shoes on that tatami gets to me. Technique wise, I love it I can definitely use some of this in Judo.
I saw a video about shuai jiao having ground grapple
The spring is really cool!
Very knowledgeable video. If i was on the path of southern Kung Fu systems(Hung Gar, Wing Chun, Buk Mai, etc...) I would definitely add Shuai Juai and Chin Na to my training.
Kevin, again great content! Do these teachers have a channel or can you recommend a channel for these arts?
Very legit and smooth, love it. There's alot of bullshit around but this looks quite accurate what I'd expect. It's a bit similar to the german Freiringen. I like the encouragement of continuity, it's a very, very hard thing to practice because it requires you to not settle on a single technique you tried to do in the moment.
I am learning a dying gong fu matis style and this video helped tremendously
There is an aliveness to Shuai Jiao that I really love and that reminds me of conversations with my Dad back in my childhood. The quick angle changes and the emphasis on position and footwork and all the options that creates. Shuai Jiao really connects naturally with a boxing mindset. Get the angle and the world is your oyster, pick the thing you want to do. There's a very different feel to Shuai Jiao than to Judo for example because it emphasizes ideas and principles over specific techniques. From a judo perspective Shuai Jiao can sometimes seem a little sloppy while from a Shuai Jiao perspective Judo can sometimes seem a little rigid.
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Judo & Jiu Jitsu "and others" ARE WUSHUKUNGFU! It comes from kungfu, it comes from Shuai Jiao and Qina etc's...
#Wushukungfu.