Firearms Expert Reacts To Isonzo’s Guns

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  • čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
  • Jonathan Ferguson, a weapons expert and Keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries, breaks down the weaponry of Isonzo, including the Madsen machine gun, the Rast & Gasser M1898 revolver, and iconic Italian firearm, the Villar Perosa.
    00:00 - Opening
    00:38 - Steyr M1912 “Steyr Hahn”
    02:29 - Lanciabombe “Bettica” mortar
    03:36 - Madsen
    04:52 - Fiat Revelli Mod 1914
    07:03 - Mannlicher M95
    09:13 - Rast & Gasser M1898
    10:31 - Beretta Modello 1915
    13:31 - Vetterli-Vitali M1870
    15:41 - Villar Perosa 9mm Mo-15
    17:43 - Mo.91 Carcano Cavalry Carbine
    21:45 - Skoda 7.5cm Gebirgskanone M.1
    23:25 - Ending
    In the latest video in the Firearm Expert Reacts series, Jonathan Ferguson--a weapons expert and Keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries--breaks down the guns of Isonzo and compares them to their potential real-life counterparts.
    Firearms Expert Reacts playlist - • Firearms Expert Reacts...
    If you're interested in seeing more of Jonathan's work, you can check out more from the Royal Armouries right here. - / royalarmouries
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    And if you would like to become a member of the Royal Armouries, you can get a membership here. - royalarmouries.org/support-us...
    You can either purchase Jonathan's book here. - www.headstamppublishing.com/b...
    Or at the Royal Armouries shop here. - shop.royalarmouries.org/colle...
    You can subscribe to the Armax Journal that Jonathan Associate Edited here: www.armaxjournal.org/
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Komentáře • 892

  • @bencejuhasz6459
    @bencejuhasz6459 Před rokem +2246

    Isonzo designers saw the title and started to watch.
    Five minutes later:
    Isonzo designers sweating bullets and making notes furiously for the next major patch.

    • @Oritaku1
      @Oritaku1 Před rokem +49

      I came here to say this lol.

    • @BarBar3ar
      @BarBar3ar Před rokem +175

      It seems like their models are very good but the animations weren't done with the same level of attention to detail / historical accuracy

    • @kristianstrm2375
      @kristianstrm2375 Před rokem +215

      @@BarBar3ar As a fan of theirs from the beta days of Verdun, they've always had an issue with stiff reloads, and animations in general. This game has some major improvements, (such as the best gun physicality I've seen in any game), but they've not yet shaken off that stiff legacy...

    • @ananastudio
      @ananastudio Před rokem +45

      @@BarBar3ar Yeah, their previous games Verdun and Tannenberg all suffers from the same issues regarding weapons

    • @kristianstrm2375
      @kristianstrm2375 Před rokem +22

      @Marlo Kartel In previous installmemts, they've avoided experimentals, and the Beretta 1918 I highly(!) doubt we'll see, especially since the battles for Isonzo ended in 1917.
      They did have the T-gewehr and RSC-18 in the 'less serious' deathmatch mode, though. Maybe your guns will show up in the Isonzo equivelant.

  • @b-beale1931
    @b-beale1931 Před rokem +1877

    From what I understand the lanciabombe mortar the fuse is for the munition, so the fuse is lit, and then the "pipebomb" is klaunched with it's fuse lit and it isn't impact detonated, but that fuse is what detonates it so you want it launched as soon as the fuse is lit

    • @n.a.4292
      @n.a.4292 Před rokem +204

      I tried writing a comment about it, but it got cancelled (I guess CZcams disliked me linking sources)...
      The "Bettica" is supposed to be a "torpedo launcher" (as in bangalore torpedo). It was used in batteries to clean barb-wire and obstacles.
      To explain how the fuse works is a bit of a headache...there's only one long fuse connecting and igniting the separate charges: the first one is the launch charge, the second one blows up the torpedo.

    • @Crapartstudio
      @Crapartstudio Před rokem +53

      @@n.a.4292 CZcams is terrible nowadays.

    • @generaloberstyukariakiyama9676
      @generaloberstyukariakiyama9676 Před rokem +62

      The Bettica torpedo had two charges. One below used to ignite it. Once that was ignited the torpedo would be propelled into the air and the process would spread through an external piece of rope used as a wick which would enter the second chamber containing the explosive. By that time it usually landed on the obstacles it was meant to clear such as barbed wire and there it would detonate clearing the way for the advance. It was usually shot in clusters right before an assault. You can still find several on the Asiago Plateau, on Mt. Grappa and on the Isonzo front. I had the privilege to handle four of these.

    • @ianpayad4595
      @ianpayad4595 Před rokem +1

      Was this system Widely used during the war?

    • @n.a.4292
      @n.a.4292 Před rokem +13

      @@ianpayad4595 Yeah, there were four main variants, and even a modified one to be used on planes as rudimentary bombs

  • @theorder6365
    @theorder6365 Před rokem +824

    I think the thing that sets this series apart where other 'Gun experts review video games' series have failed is that it really does seem like he's having fun. He's not all dour or judgemental, he's like 'yeah that's wrong, it would be right if you did this, but hey'. He's fun to watch, and all his criticisms are respectful.

    • @bishop9757
      @bishop9757 Před rokem +63

      Yeah and it's the old sandwich, points out a flaw but also points out bits he really likes.

    • @tamlandipper29
      @tamlandipper29 Před rokem +7

      Not binary, fun no fun. He makes allowances for it being a game. But ultimately if you have no realism then why set a game in reality?

    • @bishop9757
      @bishop9757 Před rokem +1

      @@tamlandipper29 yeah run in to that issue so often, if you want to set something in that period it should represent it at least. Otherwise go for some of the mirror world content, there's plenty of cool ideas that don't get much coverage.

    • @Sankis
      @Sankis Před rokem +21

      I like that he clearly likes games and understands sometimes something is wrong for balance reasons.

    • @nospoon4799
      @nospoon4799 Před rokem

      He is still a firearms "expert" from a country where only criminals have guns, and a country that has never once designed and built anything of any consequence... Plus he works for the monarchy so inherently cannot be trusted.

  • @Sword_of_Saint_14
    @Sword_of_Saint_14 Před rokem +708

    I love how the expert is not afraid to use the mecanisms in the guns he is showing. It demonstrates how good care and good condition this guns are kept 😁

    • @here_be_dragons9184
      @here_be_dragons9184 Před rokem +45

      I mean in our everyday life we are used to using stuff made of plastic but metal stuff, if it's not allowed to rust, can last for decades if not centuries and be almost as good as new. There has been planes crashing in hod dry desert and the metal parts still look brand new, or the old cars in Havana.

    • @gxre_mvne8755
      @gxre_mvne8755 Před rokem +3

      I mean atleast you know they work

    • @BHuang92
      @BHuang92 Před rokem +13

      Still, one needs to handle carefully with +100 year old equipment........

    • @ANASPANremoverandomcrits
      @ANASPANremoverandomcrits Před rokem +28

      I'm sure they're all in a bi-weekly maintenance quota to be treated for rust and lubrication. Tedious labor but I'm sure they love their job.

    • @tonypeppermint5329
      @tonypeppermint5329 Před rokem +1

      @@ANASPANremoverandomcrits There is the introduction with a Sten Gun being held.

  • @TugaAvenger
    @TugaAvenger Před rokem +165

    3:45 That Madsen has Portuguese markings. "RP" for "Republica Portuguesa", and the coat of arms. Probable just scanned from what they could find, but we didn't get them till the 1930s.

    • @gettrivialstuffed4620
      @gettrivialstuffed4620 Před rokem +4

      PORTUGAL CRL

    • @KnightofAges
      @KnightofAges Před rokem +4

      We used them during the Colonial War up to 1975, so I guess the devs got hold of images/one exemplar of it from the last European nation to use the weapon (Portugal) and could not understand what they symbolized.

    • @auggie8958
      @auggie8958 Před rokem

      The ones used by the Central powers in WWI were smuggled from outside sources, it makes sense in a wierd way

    • @KhrisMiddletonFitnessOfficial
      @KhrisMiddletonFitnessOfficial Před rokem

      @@auggie8958 Yes, but not from Portugal. They were smuggled from a shipment intended for Bulgaria, most notably.

    • @KhrisMiddletonFitnessOfficial
      @KhrisMiddletonFitnessOfficial Před rokem

      It's still a period-appropriate variant, thankfully.

  • @arklados3596
    @arklados3596 Před rokem +554

    It’s crazy how the Madsen was still used until relatively recently in South America. I think it was Brazil who used it for their police.

    • @halo7oo
      @halo7oo Před rokem +77

      I believe Brazilian police still use it.

    • @arklados3596
      @arklados3596 Před rokem +38

      @@halo7oo really? I read somewhere that they were finally phasing them out. But I imagine they’d still be in service to some extent

    • @GapeGang
      @GapeGang Před rokem +30

      Well yeah it's South America

    • @paviocurtorb4187
      @paviocurtorb4187 Před rokem +40

      Yes and oddly enough it is still used as a squad weapon in elite divisions (mainly in Rio de Janeiro region) It was replaced as the main weapon by Minimi, AR-10 and FAL and the newest IMBEL IA2, common police forces stopped using for years, from time to time it is found in the hands of bandits and seized

    • @Pattamatt1998
      @Pattamatt1998 Před rokem +30

      Madsen just works. It was a remarkably forward-thinking firearm for the time.

  • @jacobparslow8723
    @jacobparslow8723 Před rokem +218

    Italy did have a ton of prior generation rifles laying around before the war and when it started they hadn't had the time to issue everyone with new rifles. So they grabbed out the old ones, re chambered them to the current cartridge and send them out. This resulted in a ton of funky, odd ball loading systems.

    • @Lowlandlord
      @Lowlandlord Před rokem +37

      Italian theory to the war was just kinda "Throw more men across the Isonzo, again"

    • @pentula68
      @pentula68 Před rokem +14

      It would be interesting to know where do you take this information from.
      The standard rifle of the italian army at the outbreak of WW1 was the Carcano 1891 in both long and short versions. Rear echelon troops were armed with the old Vetterli rifle that was modified to use a box magazine and rechambered for the same Carcano 6.5x52 round, so it's quite difficult for me to see the "ton of funky, odd ball loading systems". But, as I said before, may be you have some new undiscovered sources to support your statement.

    • @thingthingsss
      @thingthingsss Před rokem +2

      @@pentula68 Don't forget those rechambered Vetterli and re-barreled rifles were... explody, putting it lightly.

    • @NoName-hg6cc
      @NoName-hg6cc Před rokem +3

      @@Lowlandlord That was French and English and German as well

    • @danielebesozzi3764
      @danielebesozzi3764 Před rokem +8

      @@Lowlandlord I suggest you read a bit about that, you'll find out that the isonzo is really the only point in that area where you can attack, so they kept doing it because it was the only possible thing to do

  • @MysticTheDarkElf
    @MysticTheDarkElf Před rokem +252

    I'm surprised that Jonathan didn't point out a fun little feature of the Rast & Gasser revolver that improved its reload time compared to other gate-loading revolvers the was still in use:
    With the loading gate open, the gun has a mechanism that allows the trigger to rotate the cylinder without actuating the hammer, letting you skip one of the normally clunky steps of reloading a gate-loaded revolver.
    In practice, this can let an experienced user reload the thing quite rapidly.

    • @mikkoleinonen9846
      @mikkoleinonen9846 Před rokem +27

      I didn't know that, but I noticed that the character was pulling the trigger as he ejected the shells. Nice detail and good comment!

    • @sgt.eclair
      @sgt.eclair Před rokem +13

      There are a couple other gate loaders that did this too, I think the Bodeo revolvers also had that function

    • @rootbeerpoptart
      @rootbeerpoptart Před rokem +22

      That's the Abadie gate loading system. C&Rsenal have some good videos on the feature

    • @pho3nix-
      @pho3nix- Před rokem +1

      Crazy Italians

    • @mikeblair2594
      @mikeblair2594 Před rokem +3

      @@chooseyouhandle As Logan Does said right above you, its the Abadie system. Abadie being that Portuguese revolver.

  • @MarkChong
    @MarkChong Před rokem +93

    18:20 - The fingerprints on the Carcano: You are witnessing the effect of a PBR (Physically-Based Rendering) Pipeline. Older forms of material shading were handled by having a simple colour texture map which handles all details, but with PBR, there are multiple textures that each control a different parameter.
    There's still a Colour(aka Albedo) map, but now there is also a Normal map which governs the surface angling at a pixel level which is used to deform reflections (to create the effects of small scratches and dents or bumps and grooves), a Metalness map (which allows for a material to crossfade between a traditional eggshell-paint/plastic/diffuse material to a shiny metallic one, and there are also specular maps to govern how shiny a material is.
    These texture maps allow for a variation of surface rendering parameters at the subpixel level and PBR workflows have become quite commonplace in video games.

    • @gerulfdosinger9869
      @gerulfdosinger9869 Před rokem +1

      PBR is love, PBR is live and Substance Painter is the work of the gods!

    • @zJoriz
      @zJoriz Před rokem +1

      I was thinking some of the bumps in the wood and the notches in some of the metal parts could even be done with displacement maps. But I don't know if current game engines can handle those tbh...

  • @CeltKnight
    @CeltKnight Před rokem +101

    I'm quite happy to see all the WWI games that have come out the last few years. Although I was born in the late 1960s, my paternal grandfather was a soldier in WWI, seriously wounded in France before coming back home to Alabama. I never got to meet him but I've always had an affinity for things related to the Great War.

  • @Specter_1125
    @Specter_1125 Před rokem +459

    Battlefield 1’s bayoneting is pretty brutal.

    • @matthewblackwood9653
      @matthewblackwood9653 Před rokem +122

      Literally my thoughts. That's about the only game where bayonets seem to be fairly realistically done. You run into someone screaming your head off at a dead sprint and impale them brutally through the torso. Not stick them with a pointy bit and they fall down. It's fairly horrific, which is from accounts very true to life when it comes to bayonet fighting.

    • @danieldeluna9661
      @danieldeluna9661 Před rokem +15

      @@matthewblackwood9653 it’s better! Not realistic…

    • @engineerconagher9466
      @engineerconagher9466 Před rokem +7

      @@matthewblackwood9653 war of rights then?

    • @romanrat5613
      @romanrat5613 Před rokem +6

      @@matthewblackwood9653 realistic except for usain bolt speed

    • @insovietrussiavodka
      @insovietrussiavodka Před rokem +6

      I would suggest NecroVision, if the game wasn't so old and if it wasn't because half the time you're bayoneting vampires, demons and zombies rather than humans.
      But the melee combat is merciless, heads are caved in with spades, people look you in the eyes as they die and they freeze as you twist your knive in their guts or cut their throats.

  • @ChroniclesOfCallum
    @ChroniclesOfCallum Před rokem +74

    As someone who moved to Leeds a few years ago - I cannot recommend the Royal Armouries enough; it's got five floors of incredible displays from early spears to modern firearms and armour, as well as live performances and competitive jousting tournaments.

    • @lynxk7667
      @lynxk7667 Před rokem +6

      @@daegnaxqelil2733 I'm happy to report it's free to visit. I did so earlier this year and can reccomend the Elephant displays.

    • @daegnaxqelil2733
      @daegnaxqelil2733 Před rokem

      @@lynxk7667 thinks can change

    • @SoFarSoGoodSoWhat14
      @SoFarSoGoodSoWhat14 Před rokem +1

      Can you meet the man himself? 😯

    • @daegnaxqelil2733
      @daegnaxqelil2733 Před rokem

      it looks expensive

  • @hugo-kk8qn
    @hugo-kk8qn Před rokem +29

    This dude knows his stuff. Very humble also, plays down errors made in game.

    • @AR15andGOD
      @AR15andGOD Před rokem

      yes because our games will be really offended

    • @hugo-kk8qn
      @hugo-kk8qn Před rokem

      @@AR15andGOD as long as they get offended not the developers

  • @zachespinoza1794
    @zachespinoza1794 Před rokem +88

    This is my favorite CZcams series. I can't wait for each week's episode and I hope the whole team knows how much I cherish these works. And even when I wait for the new episodes, I simply watch the older ones to pass the time :) cheers!

  • @cooperwilliams9140
    @cooperwilliams9140 Před rokem +23

    As an Austrian firearms collector, seeing the bolt of the M.95 serialized broke my heart! This was only done after the war to refurbished rifles.

    • @francesco3772
      @francesco3772 Před rokem +4

      Dude you gotta serialize the bolt, it could be taken out and used as a very impractical blunt weapon... Or something.

  • @SitInTheShayd
    @SitInTheShayd Před rokem +48

    On Jonathan's note on deviations from training in the real modern military (at least in the one I serve in) absolutely troops deviate from training and many find their own slight variations to drills to better suit the individual soldier.
    On the use of issued kit, many troops use buy, swap, or otherwise (tactically) aquire tons of unissued kit or things a rivet counter might say it "makes so sense" for us to be using so always remember in games and movies soldiers are still people at their core and people love to get gucci kit

  • @Rose.Of.Hizaki
    @Rose.Of.Hizaki Před rokem +24

    At first, I thought Isonzo was just the manufacturer of the guns and the game footage was from the most recent battlefield game. Then i realised that Isonzo was the game and I was honestly so impressed with how it looked that i might just go check it out and see if it could fill the gap in my heart that the Battlefield franchise left.

    • @Wintersmith12
      @Wintersmith12 Před rokem +16

      I believe it's actually the third game in a series, the first two being Verdun and Tannenberg. They aren't as popular as World War 2 shooters sadly.

  • @pnutz_2
    @pnutz_2 Před rokem +43

    15:17 every game has the skewer-a-potato effect with the exception of battlefield 1, which was one of the reasons it was so good

    • @waltuh11121
      @waltuh11121 Před rokem +13

      COD WAW had also good animations specially for its time

  • @logruszed
    @logruszed Před rokem +66

    Jon great job in mentioning/identifying spigot mortars!
    Probably still one of if not the easiest way to improvise artillery in many conditions. Although modern conflict zones seem to leave enough functional artillery detritus on the field to make some pretty interesting Toyotas.
    Re: Fuse/Lanyard. Could it be a punk (could be idiomatic term, it's a wick for lighting fuses)? Igniting a very small fuse affixed to the munition itself? You do light a punk with a lighter, then stow the lighter.

  • @DanielGonzalez-mw1mp
    @DanielGonzalez-mw1mp Před rokem +7

    This was really interesting to watch, really enjoy listening to some info on lesser known and obscure firearms instead of of a reaction video to game with an AK47 or M4 for the 10th time

  • @lyylski
    @lyylski Před rokem +71

    I hope you'll do more of this game and it's sister games (Verdun & Tannenberg). I'd especially would like to hear the opinion on some of the game mechanics like how mustard gas, intel airplanes and artillery works in those games.

    • @blakecacini8016
      @blakecacini8016 Před rokem +6

      Would he be knowledgeable on poison gas though?

    • @ihategoo8907
      @ihategoo8907 Před rokem

      Hopefully it would breathe some new life into Verdun

  • @xGamermonkeyx
    @xGamermonkeyx Před rokem +9

    Always love seeing Jonathan have to really pick out the nitty gritty details on a game like this, it's always a tell that the game is very lovingly developed by the Devs when he's REALLY trying to find things wrong to talk about.
    As an aside, I'm still here hoping we get a Killzone series of videos soon! There's some really amazing and fun firearms in that series, particularly the first game that I think Jonathan would like.

  • @Jo-Heike
    @Jo-Heike Před rokem +17

    The World War 1 game series has always had impressive models since the very first game.

    • @NateTheScot
      @NateTheScot Před rokem

      What are you talking about? This isn't Battlefield... it's Isonzo. It's a totally different game "series". It's just set in WW1.

    • @Jo-Heike
      @Jo-Heike Před rokem +20

      @@NateTheScot Isonzo is the third game in the World War 1 Game Series, the other two games being Verdun and Tannenberg.

    • @hungryorphan5975
      @hungryorphan5975 Před rokem +10

      @@NateTheScot why do you talk about something you obviously don't know much or anything about?

    • @gabrielegenota1480
      @gabrielegenota1480 Před rokem +5

      @@NateTheScot I- Yeah? Verdun, Tannenberg, and Isonzo are from the "WWI Game Series"

  • @bobbob-mx6qo
    @bobbob-mx6qo Před rokem +65

    Im really looking forward to Isonzo, Verdun is still awesome for some quick games.

    • @jmgonzales7701
      @jmgonzales7701 Před rokem +2

      dead game

    • @bobbob-mx6qo
      @bobbob-mx6qo Před rokem +34

      @@jmgonzales7701 149 people in game at the moment and it has bot support. So you can fill a lobby.

    • @Wes81782
      @Wes81782 Před rokem +38

      @@jmgonzales7701 go back to Twitter

    • @poyloos4834
      @poyloos4834 Před rokem +3

      While it is dead (come on, 100+ players at high hours is nothing but) it doesn’t really matter. It only takes a semi-full lobby for the game to feel not dead.

    • @cpt-cheese3489
      @cpt-cheese3489 Před rokem

      Xbox has like 14 average, however the bots are good enough that the game doesn't feel dead and i still pop in for games regularly

  • @GetDougDimmadomed
    @GetDougDimmadomed Před rokem +9

    15:20 Battlefield 1 did bayonet charges absolutely visceral. The first time I actually got one I was horrified that people actually had to resort to that. It brought me a new level respect for what those poor boys had to go through.

    • @shotloud6838
      @shotloud6838 Před rokem +1

      Same with BF5

    • @nicklab1927
      @nicklab1927 Před rokem +1

      Other melee attacks were visceral as well in BF1. Especially the sound of club strikes on heads.

  • @underthunder529
    @underthunder529 Před rokem +19

    I was hoping you'd mention the misconception that the Villar Perosa was originally an aircraft gun, when in reality it was designed for ground troops and later adapted to aircraft.

  • @gasperpoklukar8372
    @gasperpoklukar8372 Před rokem +4

    The Bettica mortar was designed to destroy barbed wire. The projectile was divided into two compartements separated by an iron plug right where that narrow part is. The smalled rear compartment contained the propellant, the larger compartment contained the main charge. The fuse led into both compartments and was lit by a match or burning cigarette. In about 2-3 seconds it ignited the propelling charge, sending the projectile flying. About 8-9 seconds later the main charge detonated.

  • @c.dekker2156
    @c.dekker2156 Před rokem +6

    these games and weapons are the exact reason i watch this series, keep up the great work, would love to see more of these types of games!

  • @FATxAZZxGONExCRAZZZY
    @FATxAZZxGONExCRAZZZY Před rokem +100

    The "D" in Madsen is a soft D, or almost silent D. It's an intonation thing in the Danish language :)
    Source: I am Danish and Madsen is a very common last name here.

    • @ErwinPommel
      @ErwinPommel Před rokem +28

      Most English speakers struggle to wrap their tongue around a soft Danish D.

    • @latewizard301
      @latewizard301 Před rokem +17

      "Mahsen" is probably the best way to explain it lol

    • @Crapartstudio
      @Crapartstudio Před rokem +2

      @@latewizard301
      Madsen sounds catchier tho

    • @danielamador5932
      @danielamador5932 Před rokem +5

      @@ErwinPommel phrasing

    • @Mr_Dumpty
      @Mr_Dumpty Před rokem +2

      @@ErwinPommel Brilliant

  • @michealzachary3888
    @michealzachary3888 Před rokem +17

    They mention the bayonet attack you did some videos on battlefield one awhile back in that game all forms of melee are pretty brutal. Especially the bayonet charge as it shows you taking the person to the ground with the bayonet though their chest.

    • @lKES1898
      @lKES1898 Před rokem

      Or the stomach if you come from the front

  • @envoyend9149
    @envoyend9149 Před rokem +13

    Very excited for this game to come out. Maybe Jonathan can review guns from Verdun and Tannenberg next. Also, it's really cool to see a few firearms I actually have in a video for a change.

  • @xscaliersolid1194
    @xscaliersolid1194 Před rokem +5

    As the owner of a 1942 production Carcano rifle, it's nice to see the M91 in a game.

  • @un1d
    @un1d Před rokem +3

    An episode in rare form, loved it. Great to see a reality-based game which shows off real weapons that don’t show up in games.

  • @homefront1999
    @homefront1999 Před rokem +36

    Would love to get a look at launchers in the Battlefield games. From the Javelin, to the Schipunov 42. Then there are some other stationary things. Like the TOW's HJ-8, and the Kornet launcher. I would also love to see more Battle pickups. Like the HVM-II, RAWR, then there is the M60 ULT. An M60 with explosive rounds. Finally the most important one. Is to get a reaction to the Icicle...

  • @trashcompactorYT
    @trashcompactorYT Před rokem +5

    According to Wikipedia the Fiat-Revelli 1914 MMG fires at around 400-500rpm, so that seems about perfect in-game if they were going based on that article

  • @wolf_7479
    @wolf_7479 Před rokem +21

    15:20 *Almost every game does bayoneting like that, funny enough Call of Duty World at War does have dedicated character animations for getting bayoneted and they look really good.

    • @randomfaca
      @randomfaca Před rokem +4

      Honestly I think most games have one stab kills to reward the player for getting into melee range. Since stuff like bolt action rifles can't be made as cumbersome as they would be in real life close quarters, bayoneting has to be made more rewarding

  • @OGTalon
    @OGTalon Před rokem +11

    Jonathan with the tiny carcano is immaculate, I hope someone makes it into fan art 😂

  • @Dyre_Wolf
    @Dyre_Wolf Před rokem +10

    Battlefield 1 had some pretty good bayonet action, probably because it tied into the execution style kills the melee weapons were able to perform. Can't remember if there were lighter "pokes" but the charge had some real oomph in it.

    • @romanrat5613
      @romanrat5613 Před rokem +4

      The problem was the charge was the only way to use it. Making it useful in open ground but not close quarters, which is opposite of how it was IRL

  • @weareharbinger914
    @weareharbinger914 Před rokem +4

    Its actually really interesting to see how well they do. Even if they aren't 100% when they get close and try to get close, it makes the effort all the more appreciated.

    • @dpq06
      @dpq06 Před rokem

      I mean shoot, nowadays if you're modeling or animating guns for a game you've got to consider the possibility of Jonathan eventually analyzing every minor detail for some 500k people. Pressure is on

  • @pietrosigismondodelvalenti6371

    Love your relentless honesty!

  • @kambucket6838
    @kambucket6838 Před rokem +5

    At this point theses videos looks more like an exam for developers who tries to make a realistic shooters, and Johnathan is like that professor that everybody likes.

  • @danskegamerboys
    @danskegamerboys Před rokem +16

    The German army deployed the Madsen in 7.92 mm calibre in 1914, arming infantry companies, mountain troops and later storm troopers. And the austro hungarian empire did own Madsen lmgs so pretty sure its accurate 🙂 and Wikipedia does tell me Italy did also buy the Madsen but does not say when .. so dont know if they had it in 1915 ps. I love this kind of videos keep it up 🙂

  • @bideobamers
    @bideobamers Před rokem

    This video was incredibly informative. I love it

  • @whyiwakeup6460
    @whyiwakeup6460 Před rokem +10

    I think most of their budget was in gameplay and modeling, but some of the jank animations may have been due to a lower animation budget. Could be completely wrong about this, but just a thought.

  • @kamikazemelon787
    @kamikazemelon787 Před rokem

    Wow those weapon models are insanely detailed, amazing work

  • @Dreju78
    @Dreju78 Před rokem +9

    Anyone spotted that in Villaperosa the top round in each magazine alternates left and right when the magazine empties?
    It should stay either left or right throughout.
    It's as if the rounds are spent from the follower end not the action end..

    • @Greeev
      @Greeev Před rokem +1

      That is a very good catch.

    • @stevbe1723
      @stevbe1723 Před rokem +1

      Well spotted, that is definitely an ease of animation thing, so the top most rounds just get turned invisible instead of having the whole stack of cartridges go down by one position

  • @TokyoDrift456
    @TokyoDrift456 Před rokem +7

    i love how theres a gun thats literally just 2 guns stapled together

    • @bishop9757
      @bishop9757 Před rokem +3

      in a pistol calibre and intended for shooting down planes....sure lol

    • @underthunder529
      @underthunder529 Před rokem +1

      @@bishop9757 It's not for shooting down airplanes. It was made as an LMG for assault troops, they only mounted them on planes out of desperation.

    • @bishop9757
      @bishop9757 Před rokem

      @@underthunder529 No, it's design was intended for air combat, why it had an insane RoF. When it quickly became clear that it was out classed in the air they sent it over to the ground forces.

    • @underthunder529
      @underthunder529 Před rokem +1

      @@bishop9757 I have read about the Villar Perosa. Original documents make no mention of it being designed for aircraft use. Abiel Revelli designed to be used by the Bersaglieri and they originally had shield mounts, which were later changed to bipods.
      Only a very small number of Villar Perosas were mounted on aircraft and that was because the Perino machine gun failed. These were mounted on tripods and had distinctive anti-aircraft sights.

    • @underthunder529
      @underthunder529 Před rokem +1

      Another common myth is that the "Beretta M1918" was a submachine gun. This is incorrect. They were semi-automatic carbines and were issued after the MP-18,I was in service.

  • @megastarsport
    @megastarsport Před rokem +3

    Man pulled out a tiny carcano and refused to elaborate further

  • @DudokX
    @DudokX Před rokem +8

    lol finally we can have SEMI FULL AUTOMATIC! But seriously, that magazine looks like something from a steam punk game, its crazy it actually existed.

  • @VeraTR909
    @VeraTR909 Před rokem +1

    Props to the team, they really tried to get everything right, of course you going to miss a few things not having total access to these weapons and deep knowledge of the manual of arms of the time but bravo! Especially the modelling and texturing is very good.

  • @Lomi311
    @Lomi311 Před rokem +36

    Did C&Rsenal provide images and sounds for the guns like in Tannenberg? Love that channel. Check ‘em out if you want to know a lot more about the guns here.

    • @WW1GameSeries
      @WW1GameSeries Před rokem +39

      C&Rsenal are friends of us yes!

    • @Spartaner627
      @Spartaner627 Před rokem

      @@WW1GameSeries very pog, pretty excited for isonzo

  • @PobortzaPl
    @PobortzaPl Před rokem

    I love it when it's just a tiny little detail that's is off, like this font on the side of Beretta pistol
    Because it means the rest is good.

  • @heikkiaho6605
    @heikkiaho6605 Před rokem +1

    11:34 what a great insight! this can be applied to a great deal of things.

  • @brainyskeletonofdoom7824

    I knew this video was going to come out sooner or later, great!
    I'm so hyped for the game it's unreal

  • @GuyMaleMan
    @GuyMaleMan Před rokem +3

    "Im not an artillery expert despite my job title"
    We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed and we've been quite possibly, bamboozled.

  • @coreyyingst3880
    @coreyyingst3880 Před rokem +36

    5:54 This must be the fully semi automatic rifle the media be talking about

  • @TheRealArtimusKnight
    @TheRealArtimusKnight Před 11 měsíci

    Something about the metallic crunch of the firing noises is so satisfying

  • @MrLolx2u
    @MrLolx2u Před rokem +1

    The Madsen was used by both the Italians and Austro-Hungarians oddly enough. The Italian themselves even had a few iterations of it but all of time fired the same 6.5mm Carcano rounds.
    Also, Jonathan failed to mention that the reason why the Verteli-Vitali has such a big caliber of 10.4mm was that it's a black powder round and as of philosophy of that period, due to the inherent lack of extreme velocity power from conventional black powder, anything pre-Balle M (8mm Lebel) which brought in smokeless powder had to have heavy and big rounds in order to bring a person down reliably and thus you could even see old service rifles even before caseless ammunitions being in .50cal and some even had .75 cal "muskets' which were dumb. It wasn't till the 8mm Lebel changed all that to smaller rounds due to the more powerful smokeless powder being able to send smaller rounds down faster and more deadly.

  • @rogue-4789
    @rogue-4789 Před rokem +2

    Gamespot : Please upload raw footage of Jonathan's reaction without cuts.
    I don't care if it is +1hour long, we could appreciate more thorough explanations and ramblings from Him, which I find immensely entertaining
    PLEASE

  • @luciusgracchus
    @luciusgracchus Před rokem +1

    It would be great to see Jonathan review the Xcom EU and Xcom 2 weapons. Especially would be fun to see what he thinks the evolution in the Long war mod... great content, learned a lot. Plus great to see someone out of the US being a weapon expert.

  • @Redmoon415
    @Redmoon415 Před rokem

    I feel like I learned a lot keep up the excellent work. 😄😄

  • @Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation

    This is Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of my heart. ❤

  • @IDOLA149
    @IDOLA149 Před rokem

    Others have said this but also want to recommend visiting the Royal Armouries museum. Its very well laid out, free to visit, and Leeds is a nice city to boot!

  • @aaronskuse2207
    @aaronskuse2207 Před rokem +3

    I have the deluxe edition pre-ordered and I am psyched for the release.

  • @sleepyrasta14820
    @sleepyrasta14820 Před rokem +9

    Great video. Love seeing old and historical stuff especially world war 1 there's an abundance of ww2 stuff but there's not a lot of stuff on the first world war.

    • @Lomi311
      @Lomi311 Před rokem +1

      Definitely my favorite era of guns in games. There’s some good stuff on CZcams about the guns (C&Rsenal and Forgotten Weapons) but you hardly see them in more mainstream media.

    • @danieldeluna9661
      @danieldeluna9661 Před rokem +1

      Pre order the game then! 🙂

    • @lanfrancoadreani9212
      @lanfrancoadreani9212 Před rokem

      Bolt actions don't make you feel cool like using a semi automatic gun or an automatic one.

    • @blakecacini8016
      @blakecacini8016 Před rokem

      @@danieldeluna9661 what if he has Steam or Epic or a PlayStation?

  • @salemnikolaevichmorozov3563

    I'd love to see Jonathan react to the guns from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series...

    • @Refixul
      @Refixul Před rokem +3

      Same, lot of different AKs and even some particular NATO stuff

  • @acomingextinction
    @acomingextinction Před rokem +1

    That vivisectioned Carcano is one of the coolest things Jonathan has ever shown us.

  • @rollinggamer5523
    @rollinggamer5523 Před rokem +1

    I do like the added detail in all 3 of these games that others almost always get wrong, and that is that some weapons can't be reloaded without being completely empty. I mean obviously in real life you probably could if you needed to but on most of the rifles with that restriction in game it's not something you'd have wanted to do in the heat of battle.

  • @ufcfan1985
    @ufcfan1985 Před rokem

    Love Johnathon’s MilSim breakdowns most of all! Top notch!

  • @deadlift9360
    @deadlift9360 Před rokem +1

    The front slide of the Berretta actually looks really familiar to the M9 Service Pistol.
    You could really guess the producer just by looking at it. Really cool!

    • @brainyskeletonofdoom7824
      @brainyskeletonofdoom7824 Před rokem

      It was the first Beretta gun with that iconic look, it will be kept throughout several models all the way to the Beretta 92
      I suggest to check out the older models in between to see the evolution of design :)

  • @bluesclues1904
    @bluesclues1904 Před rokem

    That agressive cocking of the bolt at 8:50. My goodness that was fast.

  • @timdim174
    @timdim174 Před rokem

    Yes! Been hoping you'd cover one of the M2H WW1 games

  • @danschneider9921
    @danschneider9921 Před rokem

    I have owned a Steyr 1912 for many years. Its one of my favorite old world weapons to shoot.

  • @gan_4943
    @gan_4943 Před rokem

    On the villar perosa at 15:40, rounds disapear from the top of the mag instead moving down. It's easy to see if you look at the top most round: it changes side every shot.

  • @enlightenerofcryptozoology8761

    I immediately watched this video when I saw this game on steam. It had a quote from yourself Jonathan in the description.

  • @jjforcebreaker
    @jjforcebreaker Před rokem

    Hi Jonathan! As always entertaining and insightful analysis. And a pretty fun game!
    Fiat Revelli... 'Fire it again, Tony'? Ha!

  • @sketch-rstuff1017
    @sketch-rstuff1017 Před rokem

    I hope the devs and game artists are paying attention to this, can't look wrong in a realistic game when You follow the practical reference. The models and textures I needed to add are just so beautiful.

  • @InfectedMusification
    @InfectedMusification Před rokem +51

    A revisit to Hunt: Showdown would be cool considering they've added more guns.

  • @daroth7127
    @daroth7127 Před rokem +1

    I loved Verdun and Tannenburg, They were like Battlefield but with historical accurate fighting. Cant wait for this game!

    • @ihategoo8907
      @ihategoo8907 Před rokem

      Nothing like going over the top then being mowed down by a German

  • @ralphjones3587
    @ralphjones3587 Před rokem +4

    The developers just changed the Fiat Rivelli based on the feedback Johnathon gave about the reload animation.

    • @TheWilku22
      @TheWilku22 Před rokem

      Really? Thats cool

    • @ilsignorsaruman2636
      @ilsignorsaruman2636 Před rokem

      Also, they changed the Beretta reload animation. Now the soldier takes the back of the gun, instead of the full barrel

  • @Sparking_Ram
    @Sparking_Ram Před rokem +1

    "I'm not an Artillery expert despite my title" Crying myself to sleep tonight.

  • @randomreviews5184
    @randomreviews5184 Před rokem +4

    Oh I would love to see another hunt showdown video. with the bomb lance, the Vertillie Karbiner, and some of the other makeshift melee weapons attached to the weapons.

  • @sirfox950
    @sirfox950 Před rokem +1

    FINALLY, HUZZA!!!!! Now do the rest of the series, please

  • @Pokker-Gamer
    @Pokker-Gamer Před rokem +9

    Niceeee, Excited for the game

    • @WW1GameSeries
      @WW1GameSeries Před rokem +5

      Thanks!

    • @danieldeluna9661
      @danieldeluna9661 Před rokem +2

      @@WW1GameSeries oh no you’ve already watched the video, better get back to it boys! 👀😂

  • @Tomyironmane
    @Tomyironmane Před rokem

    On the villar perosa: you will also note that the mag isn't feeding, they're deleting the round right against the follower every time it goes bang. They could have just let the follower and ammunition all push down and I don't know why they didn't.

  • @manhphuc4335
    @manhphuc4335 Před rokem

    The guns cut out for demonstration always caught me of guard, because they have this red colour very reminiscence of scifi guns.
    So whenever Jonathan took one of these out I always thought
    "Wait, is this another movie prop? What movie have wooden furniture rifles that shoot lasers?!"

  • @thesarcasticsettler252

    Jonathan delivers with the fence post observation.

  • @N-i-L
    @N-i-L Před rokem

    The bfv bayonet charge animations are pretty well done, if not a bit comedic in premise. Getting locked into an animation where you're plowing them to the ground, forcefully jabbing into their chest, or skewering their neck vs pokey pokey is pretty fun and rewarding.

  • @Afro408
    @Afro408 Před rokem

    I’ve seen more new-to-me guns on this video, than ever before! 😁

  • @samhinder2224
    @samhinder2224 Před rokem

    madsens were actually the most common lmg in austro-hungarian arsenals during the war. they had a decent number in 7mm mauser

  • @Tyler.i.81
    @Tyler.i.81 Před rokem

    This museum is so awesome

  • @exponentiallymusical9045

    My man said, "yeah that's a really good Beretta recreation, but the *font* is wrong.
    By god, with that level of expertise he could make a Howitzer blush just by looking at it. 😭

  • @KNURKonesur
    @KNURKonesur Před rokem

    Would love to see Jonathan talk about the STALKER series guns! Great job as always!

  • @fsiradio
    @fsiradio Před rokem

    The British book The German Army Handbook of 1918 has a note on the Madsen in German service, saying the Germans fielded "Musketten" battalions of Madsens, iirc in 1916 or 1917, I think on the western front. It also states these units and stocks of captured(?) Madsens were depleted quickly in the fighting. I'll have to check again to verify the details as I might be wrong about the dates and theatre.

  • @excalibrrimcold9354
    @excalibrrimcold9354 Před rokem

    I have waited for you to cover the ww1 game series, I hope you do the other games because this video is amazing.

  • @EnjoyCocaColaLight
    @EnjoyCocaColaLight Před rokem

    3:28
    It's correct. The fuse is internal and made with white gunpowder which burns something to the like of 27m/second.
    Madsen machine gun was used by Belgium, I believe, but I don't remember.
    Anywho, the fuse - the fuse part we see here is like an old times electrical wire insulation made out of very coarse and dense cotton (I think it was cotton). The fuse that burns is inside, and again, is burning at twenty-something-meters per second.
    I've not googled any of these claims prior to posting, so my numbers could be really off..

  • @gordondelacroix253
    @gordondelacroix253 Před rokem +1

    Well, for evidence of the madsen on the Italian front, there are several photos of Austrian soldiers with them in the second C&rsenal documentary about the madsen

  • @bigplayssmallsons
    @bigplayssmallsons Před rokem +1

    The greatest rifle grenade depiction in all of videogaming is day of defeat source where you can press the use key as you fire it to catch your own grenade and then throw it manually.
    Nothing compares to the absurdity of plucking your own grenade out of the air to throw it more slowly, except perhaps that doing so is often a good idea.

  • @jasoncornell1579
    @jasoncornell1579 Před rokem +4

    The big thing about the Steyr Hahn is that it fired a much more powerful 9mm round 9mmx25 or 9mm Steyr which had velocities nearly comparable to modern 10mm Auto 1200fps plus or 9mm Major

    • @G-Mastah-Fash
      @G-Mastah-Fash Před 11 měsíci

      No it didn't, It fired 9x23 Steyr which is longer but weaker than 9mm Parabellum.

  • @officegossip
    @officegossip Před rokem

    I like when he takes a look at older guns that are in his library.