Are All Guitar Tuners The Same?
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I'm pretty amazed I just watched 20 mins of guitar tuning...
Like some local gigs I have been to.
@@celticbattlepantsLocal gigs where a guy has just bought his first Floyd Rose.....
/wrists
I'm used to 20 minutes tuning my damn cheap guitar đ
@@derpimusmaximus8815 haha yes! And all the gain, and none of the mids
@wahmsi I would...but it's not in tune ;)
For the first time ever, I can actually play everything Pete plays in the video.
I hope they put out a tab for it......
Hahaha.
HAHAHAHHAHA. I can relate!
Underrated
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This reminds me of the old joke..........."A man with one watch always knows what time it is; a man with two is never sure"
lol brilliant
Top tip for tuning with pedal tuners. Use the neck pickup and roll the tone off. The signal will have less harmonics and you can tune more quickly. Don't forget to turn the tone up afterwards!
Steve Preston my guitar doesnât have a neck pickup nor a tone knob
@@sergutiov too bad for you
Absolutely. Same way I tune Steve....
@@sergutiov Guess you can't tune up. Do you use a clip-on in that case then?
sparkyguitar 00 i use a polytune 3 pedal haha đ
It's a fact that if we tune so the E chord sounds perfect, the G chord does not and so on. That's why digital tuners are a good idea for most situations. It's because equal temperament (what tuners use) is based on dividing octaves into 12 equal steps, whereas our ears prefer the higher pitched strings to coincide with the harmonic overtones of the lower strings. And natural harmonics and overtones are close to but not exactly the same as, notes tuned to the nearest semitone.
Needs more upvotes! Wish it was mentioned here. Paul Davids did a great video on that subject
absolutely true,
It's that bloody B-string, which has to be somewhat sharp in relation to the 4 lower strings in order to modulate key. You can mitigate the open-G going sharp from fretting at fret1 with a zero-fret in place of a nut, but the major 3rd of the sharp B-string will still rear it's equal-tempered head. The stridency (sharpness) of the minor 3rd vs Just Intonation gives a guitar that ambiguity between major and minor that it exploits better than anything else; most easily heard in blues leads.
Was about to comment this, but here it is. Glad the internet has some people that know about tuning
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This is the pedal board i need.
Then add a Miku at the end!
You could also try new strings once in a while đ€
Lofl đ
Great idea for pedalboard, each tuner for different pitch đ
if humans can only hear to 10 cents how can electronic tuners not be more specific?
Send a 440hz Sine wave through and see if all the tuners recognize it as "A"!
I wonder how much the cheap ones they showed were correct compared to the least accurate by using a wide tolerance.
They (the BOSSes) don't disagree on the A string, which is a whole number multiple/divisor of 440 hz (220 hz). Or on the Es and D, which is closest to an integer ratio in 12-tone Equal Temperament. It's with the B and G which are a whole tone off the octave. But those are the second-most consonant (relative to just intonation) intervals in 12-TET after the fifth and the fourth (E and D). It's like they aren't programmed with just quite the correct interval. The generic chip found in random cheap chinese tuners seems to be much better in this regard. They just let down in build quality or display.
Also tuner Apps are good to check.
Yeah, this is a seriously badly designed experiment. The guitar is too variable. A 440Hz sin wave is not variable.
@@BibleStorm Why would you care how a guitar tuner performs outside of the scope of a guitar? Unless you're planning on playing sine waves instead of guitars sometime soon this seems to get the point across. This is what tuning with these tuners is ACTUALLY like.
I do not regret spending over 19 minutes just on tuners. This is very important to me and I REALLY needed to know this. Guys, thank you very much!
There's a lifetime of guitar frustration on display here ......
Oh yes, yes there is... I have always thought the same...
hit E string
hit whammy bar
repeat for 1 hour
Everytime I tune my guitars my wife says 'you always play the same song'
Ha...! That made me chuckle, good one...
Ahaha true story
Vitor Isaia My girlfriend says the same thing!! đ
Why do you always play "Nothing Else Matters"?
@@eriknarez524 HAHAHA
Tabs would be great!
Aren't you supposed to always tune "upwards"? That is even if the string is slightly sharp, you drop it flat and then increase tension until it's in tune?
understanding.
If this is NESSESARY..your strings are not moving freely through your nut most likely, or perhaps the angle from the nut to the tuning peg is too extreme to allow it to move freely because of the friction created from the angle in which case keeping that guitar tuned will always be an issue.. Epiphone Les Paul guitars have better tuning stability than Gibson Les Paul guitars for this very reason.. Check your nut the next time you change strings and drag the old string moderately through the nut groove of that string..it should slide through easily. If not use the string like a file and run it it back and forth on the nut groove for that string just once or twice being you dont want to cut the nut groove deeper, just enough to clear it. Factories typically do not do the lil things and this is a VERY common problem...you may need a proper nut file for strings not wound. Try a very small bit of lube in the groove. Good luck
Not as big a deal with locking tuners as there is very little string wound around the post but for the most part yes.
James Hill brings up a good point about friction at the nut, but a big deal is the amount of wraps around the tuning machines. Tuning down can cause them to slacken, then settle later. Since locking tuners donât need all those wraps, tuning down isnât such a big deal.
This is mostly an issue of backlash in the worm wheel system. accurate worm wheel systems will not have this issue to a degree that you can feel it.
This video actually has made me feel better about my own struggles to keep my guitar in tune.
Me, too!
Me: I'm going to do something productive today.
Also me: oh a 20 min video of people tuning a guitar
Why isn't that productive? I's IMPORTANT! You did good. Real good.
Hahaha
An old trick is if youâre recording a song in E donât tune the guitar EADGBE instead hold the E chord and tune each note of the chord. Anytime you tune youâre only tuning the note of that open string and the moment you press it down it will be a little out of tune because the amount of pressure you apply will be sightly different every time.
Having used a lot of tuners over the years, from Peterson's to Boss and Korg etc., I've found that it's important to pick the strings when tuning the same way - (or close) - to the way you pick the strings when you're playing, otherwise you'll definitely be out of tune when you "attack" the strings while you're playing in a gig situation. Just my own personal experience, and most tuners are not "perfect".
I remember reading an interview, about 25 years ago, or so, with Alex Lifeson from Rush. The question of staying in tune came up, considering his choice of complex chords. He stated that, he always starts of with a tuner and chosing the neck pickup because it catches closest to the wider part of the string vibrating, and would tune the strings. He would then tune the guitar to itself. He would hold chords, and tune the chords. Using three or four different chords along the neck and tune to the guitars idiosyncrasies. Making sure he would tune first and sixth strings to the tuner if they went off. And tune the rest to the chords he liked to use. He would go back and forth between the chords until they sounded right. Ever since then, I use the same method, with great results. If you've been playing long enough you just naturally know how the chords are supposed to sound like.
Give it a try.
I just tried it. Didn't work, I still don't sound anything like Alex Lifeson
Tuning for what you are playing is a good idea on the guitar. If you are going to be playing a lot of open chords, tune for the best tuning in that position. if you are going to play higher chord forms up the neck, tune for that region. It is my understanding that this is what EVH does. He loves those chord shapes around the middle of the neck, especially those where the third is on the B string, so he tunes for those to be most in tune. He likes his third a little flat so he tunes the B a little flat.
@@KidNato lol, neither do I, but I can still dream.
For most of my playing over the past 30/40 years, I've tuned my ear, to tune to the root of whatever tune I was playing along too. Given that tuning stability was all over the place in some recordings, or even diliberately out (Page), this was the best way of getting in tune with the artist/recording. But this technique started when I was around six or seven, when I first started playing the recorder at school and for the following years up to 17 (on obtaining my first guitar), the recorder and occasionally the piano were my only instruments. I have always been able to play music by ear and of course to always know when someone/something was out of tune.
My ears *had* perfect pitch, they still are pretty accurate, despite the years, but I learned to do the same as Alex as my competency grew. Now, I do use tuners (one clip-on and the onboard tuners of the Pod and TC-E processor... Which appears the most accurate and easier to use, for me..). But I still tune initially by ear and then cross-refer to one of the E-tuners, then I tune the guitar to open chords. This is a constant process often. And of course all guitars have differing tuning characteristics.
He (Alex) needs to tune so much to adjust for âUsing Gibsonsâ - #Gstring đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
I appreciate that someone else has suffered along with me when the tuner says I'm good but something sounds off.
When my Boss tuner says Iâm in tune, I test it against the rest of my band and could swear that it sounds a little flat. It drives me bonkers. At least I know now that itâs not just me. This was a very informative video :)
make sure its set to 440khz. may need a reset
2:22 Boss TU
3:43 Korg Pitchblack
4:37 Boss TU-3
5:05 Cheap pedal
5:45 TC Electronic Polytune
7:53 Peterson
8:32 TC Electronics Polytune Mini
Awesome video! The Fender tuner could have been a nice addition to the episode, a popular tuning pedal. Also, the Artec Big Dots.
Actually more interesting that I expected. It would have been interesting to send a sine wave through at a known pitch to see how accurate they were before testing them on a guitar.
That's a great idea
Turbo tuner, not shown here, is the most accurate...
Nyne Forte yes.
Too logical. đ„Ž
Define "known pitch". How do you know the quartz in your computer is accurate? :)
I was given a tip a long time ago that when you tune your guitar you should hit the strings as hard as you normally play, that way the pitch is correct. It really does help
Also if you play heavier stuff where you're really chugging on the bottom strings a lot, turn the tone down and keep hitting the string as you tune. That way it'll be in tune all the time you're playing like you normally do.
Amen to that: "keep hitting the string as you tune"
That's a good tip. For years I just lightly pecked at strings while tuning, then wondered why when I robustly strummed a chord it didn't sound right. So, like you, I learned to hit the string not hard, but with a firm stroke to get the best reading. Of course, when we're actually playing the guitar, we're not always striking the strings with the same force because we need dynamics in our playing.
it depends on your string tension, too. A big advantage of heavier gauge is less going-sharp in the initial transient. Playing 9s and 10s - especially with a heavy hand - is always going to 'wonk' the pitch sharp by 5-15cents over the first 50-100milliseconds of the note.
This is partly why the buzz feiten system only works with specific gauge and scale of guitar.
Yep, guitar strings will get sharper as you hit harder, and they'll also go flat as they sustain. Also make sure that you have the guitar in playing position, rather than laying on a table, because gravity affects it too - probably wouldn't do that at a show, but I can see someone doing that after a string change.
"It's interesting, isnt' it? No. It's the most boring video we've ever done but it's informative." Lol
I generally get the best results with any tuner that you are plugged into by rolling down the tone all the way and using the neck pickup and making sure to always tune UP to the correct pitch.. that way you are tightening the tension as you reach the pitch.
Ah, the constant battle of 12-tone even temperament vs the uniformly-fretted string instrument :)
It'll never be perfect, sadly.
Pianos are purposely wrong, yet many singers learn to sing their notes using a piano which might not match any other instrument on the planet.
True Temperament frets are pretty damn close, though.
@@orlock20 barbershop quartets have no limits!! in-tune gods and shave and a hair cut
@@bluejavelina5335 They learn to harmonize with each other, but few use instruments when doing the performance.
@@orlock20 yeah thats what im saying , the guy doing the major 3rd of the chord can be 2 cents flat and it will sound better for it. and fifths sound better 2 cents sharp etc.. edit: "or girl"
I would be very interested in seeing another video where you take multiples of the same tuner and compare them to see if they all match.
Neck... I was just thinking the exact same thing. CheersïŒ
Same here.
Neck these tuners being digital, the differences would be incredibly low if not nonexistent. Ones with a minimal display wouldnât even show it.
Analog tuners would be a different story! But those can be calibrated.
0:30 the symmetry, the perfection of that throw. Heavenly!
You guys even managed to make a tuner episode enjoyable.
God, I love this channel. đ
Actually laughed out loud at the more tuna than a sushi place joke.
He made this video just to use that line.
one way you could compare different tuners would be to use a sine wave tone coming from a synth and see if the tuners register differently.
Iâm an audio engineer and in the recording studio we use Peterson strobe units almost exclusively. Every band that comes in gets a recommendation for our favorite guitar tech to intonate their guitars, and a little lesson on using the strobe tuner! Peterson has a phone app thatâs also amazing.
They are tougher to use playing live though
Thanks! Iâve been going back and forth between the Peterson Strobo Stomp, Turbo Tuner ST 300, and the Peterson âstrap-onâ tuner as the Captain would call it. If the phone app works well, Iâll get the clip on. I have an old, huge VT-2 that provides a sweetened temperament for guitar that sound much better to my ears than equal temperament. Peterson has different temperaments for electric, acoustic, 12 string ... something like 50 custom tunings.
Their end result is so much nicer though, worth dialing your guitars in with them.
every drummer's favorite jam
underrated comment
Clearly these tuners are made out of different tonewoods...:p
Tunewoods.
Extra points for that
Clearly these tuners are all made by Gibson; which is why they will not tune a guitar.
@@nitegoat1369 Tune authentic.
But the best ones are made of Richlite.
This would have been a perfect opportunity to bring in a true temperament guitar!
This is a great video. I agree with Pete. It didn't really sound in tune until after the using the Polytune. Then the E chord sounded in tune. Thanks guys!
Important: if you play while standing, tune while standing, because the pressure on the neck of the strap changes the tuning
Thanks Joni Mitchell, but I think the majority of us are on electric.
Thank you Pete and Captain. It was actually very informative.
"Daddy, please make it stop!" "Shh son I'm watching this Anderton's video"
The playing is absolutely on point in this!
You are a great team together. This was again a very interesting and enlightening video. Thank you.
Best thing you've done in ages - genuinely interesting!
Great video, very useful for me, I was looking for reviews about the subject
Enjoyed this and well worth the time. NOT boring - quite funny and entertaining. Thank you. It also underscores what live band guitarists have to put up with on stage. Factor in fast moving song sets, time constraints, temperature fluctuations, weather etc., and itâs a true marvel that anyone sounds right. Guitars are living breathing instruments.consisting of organic materials. Naturally, it is a going to present a serious challenge. Cheers.
I have the older boss tu-2 and in my experience the best results are when you tune fast and pick several times so you tune the attack of the note since it's always the sharpest of the whole note. :)
I found the TU2 slow to wake up and slow to tune. TU3 much faster
James Taylor does a series on tunings. He moves string tuning up or down a few cent.
that only works for capos
Paul Morini His tuning âpresetâ is included in the Peterson tuner as a sweetened tuning simply known as âACUâ as in acoustic. I love my Peterson stroboclip.
"Are Human Ears More Accurate?" Years of playing and listening to bands live seem to be pretty strong evidence of "No". ;-)
Train your ear with unaccompanied vocal practice for a year or so and that answer will change. In fact the human voice is typically the only instrument that CAN be in perfect tune in any key. Check out some doo-wop or a capella jazz for real-world examples of this.
Years gone by when piano tuners were human beings, many were blind as they had really good ears, They would tune to a note, and then play chords, etc and adjust accordingly so it sounded right.
@@madcockney Just because they existed doesn't mean they were better than electronic tuners
@@ktfjulien I didn't say that the human piano tuners were better.
Cool vid guys. I was shocked how good the stag and clip ins were good. Love the black tuner also
Really interesting and informative video, thanks guys!
I think you've accidentally stumbled upon the horrific imperfect art that is intonation!
The flaws of equal temperament tuning on display right here
Iâm shopping for a tuner, and this video is perfect. Thanks for posting!
I've been waiting my whole life for this!
Actually all tuners have slight differences which is coming from the tolerances of the components in their circuit. Which is why in the studio you want to have all the instruments tuned through the same tuner.
If they were mechanical then I would agree. However, they're digital.... so I'm having a hard time.
@@OverMotoren Well digital works based off analog components. Clocks for example are varying a lot between computers - set up 3 computers without internet access and observe their clocks for an hour - they will drift significantly. The frequency in a computer comes from a quartz crystal and they have huge tolerances - up to 30% are not rare. There are similar principals for "generating" the reference pitch. If it was all digital then the tuners would have to sample / digitize your input signal, for which you'd need a precise clock, which tuners most likely won't have. Even if you ignore all that. Different tuners come with different accuracy some are 0.1 cents some are 0.01 cents or even more these days. So you are guaranteed to get different results from tuners with different accuracy - if you want to know why they have different accuracy you can follow up my explanations with some research of your own into computers, clocks and such :) Enjoy!
Love it. I'm not gonna argue a single bit.
@@hukl3945 That's why you synch computer time to NIST!
hukl, NO! Try 30ppm for a bog standard crystal. That's 0.003%. 30% is 18 minutes per hour. Is your computer really that crap? 0.003% is, I expect, inaudible to humans, so I doubt the tolerances in a digital tuner are audible.
I agree 100% - I eventually ended up buying matching tuners for everybody in all of the bands I was in most recently. Four different 4 member bands each ended up making m wallet lighter - but my ears thanked me!
I'm amazed!!! I've watched the entire video because my dad mentioned that his boss tuner just didn't seem to tune as tightly as other tuners we use (TC one, Korg pedal, Mooer tuner) impressed with landlord one
I just learned that a super tight strap-on will improve your pitch. Thank you Andertons UK đŹđ§.
I got korg pitchblack poly and it is wonderful. Giant screen, instant response, good precision and first of all polytuning which settled deal for me. TC polytune does the same, but with smaller screen and bigger price.
How about in outdoors situation? (korg)
@@BagusWibisono yeah, the Polytune 3 (only the big) has this automatic brightness adjustement that made me buy it.
@@BagusWibisono Avoid Pitchblack for outdoor visibility! Hopeless....
The Polytune has a strobe mode as well that's more accurate than the normal mode.
Yes indeed. I think if you want to be in tune use a tuner with a strobe! Captains, can't you do a strobe test to see which strobe tuner is the best? Or if they differ much. :)
And yet even in the regular mode, it was better than both the Boss ones! Haha.
I've got blurry vision and play outdoors during daytime on occasion. I've been through several. I presently have the Korg custom shop tuner pedal with the green and blue 3D display. I can see the bugger! In daylight, at dark, from across the room at angles. I'm hooked on it. Accuracy seems perfect, even with the band.
I just bought a Boss Chromatic TU-3 and waiting for it to be delivered this week. Will give my review soon.
Neighbors complain about my playing, wait 'til I blast this video on my speakers
I lost it at "strap-on tuner" ... filthy Captain đ€Ł
Great video I always wondered if they where all the same as well
You guys are the best always make my day little better watching you guys. Thank you
I would love to see how the Gibson robo tuners that everyone hated would compare to these
Same
More authentic tuning.
@@davedavem how authentic?
@@TheIgisas play authentic :D :D :D
@@stanislavmigra shush
Lee, I am still watching, and it is interesting, cause I found problems with my current tuner as well, and I am looking for to choose a better one.
So thank you for the video!
Thanks for the super nerdy video! If you ever go down this road again I'd suggest also using the harmonic on the 12th fret. It seems to make the string ring more true.
0:45 - I solved that problem years ago: both me and the other guitarist in my band tune our guitars with the same tuner. : )
I stuck an Earvana nut on one of my guitars and hearing the open E and A chords being in tune is incredible. You get so used to the slight dissonance that hearing the chord without it is very surprising.
Lead us all to Earvanaâą
man I can't wait to show you my new pedalboard!!!
*dusts off 7 tuners*
I once tried a clip on tuner on bass at a show. Needless to say I had to walk out of the club into the alley to tune before the show. The music over the PA made it impossible. Last time I did that. I then took that headstock tuner and mounted it to an unused spot on my bass controls and direct mounted it there with the wires directly wired to the output. Worked awesome.
Since a lot of us have switched to Kemper, Helix, etc. You guys should do an episode comparing the Kemper tuner vs Helix Tuner vs. Axe Fx, etc. Would be interested to see the results.
Korg Pitchblack is one of the best pedal tuners I've used. I just recommend if playing in a band everyone use the same brand and make. Edit: The mentioned that right after i posted this.
GREAT, and necessary, vid! Thanks. It lets people know they arent crazy or tone def. Brilliant.
The Peterson clip on tuners have a "Sweetened Tunings" settings based on the instrument, it will slightly tune up or down per string to compensate for temperament. I love mine.
When you play that kind of open G, youâre only really hearing G and D notes (1st and 5th). When you play E youâre trying to get a pleasant sounding G# major 3rd on the first fret of your heaviest plain steel string which will always give you intonation problems (as itâs relatively stiff and doesnât move much at each end of the string).
You need to tune the guitar through each string at least 2-3 times. The reason is because the neck has a little bit of flex in it. As you tune each string, the others are affected ever so slightly. The pitch eventually converges to a tuned state for all strings. This isn't an issue with the tuner, it's the guitar. Some guitars have this effect more than others depending on the hardness of the wood, length of the neck, construction quality, etc.
Completely correct, even more so with whammy bridges because the springs have to find equilibrium as well. Also depends on the kind/tension of strings.
Thank you ! This is exactly the kind of review I was searching for !
Great playing Pete đ
Yeah, I still use my old Boss TU-12. It does a great job in my opinion.
@al I got mine about that time too. Glad I'm not the only one!
@@paulwatts003 me too.
Some tuners are just more sensitive. A sensitive tuner can start to pick up the wave too much and never settle but it can also be very useful to fine nuances in your guitar.
Iâve been thinking the same thing Lee! Youâre not alone!
I really enjoyed this. I been looking for the "perfect" turner for intonation work.
I have 2015 LP with robo tuners, you certainly need to strum gently to make them work fast. But once those settle, korg tuner says that tuning is good. Those El Cheapo clip on tuners are fine too, they just have annoying delay in response and much less options for calibration or alternate tunings.
Ew robo tuners
Robo tuners actually seems cool to me.
Pitch Fork? I thought that it was a Tuning Fork! Don't you use Pitch forks with your hay? đ€
Well there is a huge music related site called pitchfork.
@@tree267 Well to be honest Pitchfork is a better play on words than Tuning Fork! đ
Itâs punnier that way đ
I mean technically you could use a tuning fork to shift hay, it would just take a little longer lol
Love these vids. Thanks guys!
When recording tracks with guitars and bass, everyone knows to tune up with the SAME tuner before you roll tape. Excellent video...very educational.
May have been stated already but you could have grabbed a Boss ES-8 off the shelf and ran all of these tuners in loops and compared simultaneously. One output could have routed to an amp so we could hear Peteâs chords.
I wish you guys did the strobe mode on the polytune 3. It claims to be +/- .02 cents accurate which is basically very close if not the same as the Peterson tuner.
i actually really appreciate this! thank you for this video!
I Love my TC Polytune 3 and my little Snark SN-8 for my Acoustic in the Park or Coffee-house Open-mic. Both are Fantastic, and I wouldn't be without either one. The Polytune 3 and the Peterson Sounded the Most Accurate ( to my ears ).
Interesting video Captain. Hey! Just curious, but have you considered downloading every known guitar tuner app and trying this same method out to see which tuner app is the most accurate? I happen to have the Boss tuner app on my phone, and after watching this video, I have become quite a bit curious as to how accurate that app is when I'm tuning my guitars.
Cheers from The Sticks of Kaufman County, Texas, USA. đž
I've found that the clip-on ones really struggle when there's lots of outside noise, say if you're between songs and a room full of drunk people are hollering and clapping away.
Usually, I watch the videos more for the goofiness than for the content, because I'm well enough informed about the stuff I think I need to know, but this was definitely a useful one. Nice idea !
I am so glad Iâve seen this. Iâve thought Iâve just been crazy all these years. Now I need to buy all the tuners to finally be in tune.
Every tuner, regardless of how it operates, tunes within a TOLERANCE. Many tuners tune within ±0.1 cents. Nicer ones will start to move the decimal point, ±0.01 cents (10Xs more accurate). The worst tune within 1 whole cent.
Some tolerances, according to manufacturer's website:
Boss - ±1.0 cents
Peterson - ±0.1 cents
Polytune - ±0.02 cents
Right there, you can see the Boss is 10Xs LESS accurate than the Peterson, which is 5Xs LESS accurate than the Polytune. This is why Captain feels like things aren't right, because someone has tuned more accurately than the other.
If Pete has the Polytune and Capt. with the TU3, Pete's guitar would be 50Xs more accurately tuned than the Capt's. Granted, the tolerance our own ears can detect is small anyway, it is probably enough to notice, especially given the fact that the guitar and equal temperament aren't the best of friends.
Good note!
I'm building a pedalboard, so I should get the polytune? I already liked the feature that shows what strings are out of tune while you strum a chord.
Polytune 3 is accurate withing those parameters only in strobe mode. In needle mode (which they used here) it's accurate (according to specs) within 0.5 cents. I compared TU-3W and Polytune 3 at the same time, and they're pretty much the same accuracy wise. That half a cent difference is either negligible or marketing speech. I prefer needle mode for live use anyways, because it's faster and always perfectly fine for live use. You'd have to fine tune longer to make the strobe tuner slow down (you can't really make it fully stop) and that's, to me, useless live. For setting intonation, sure, use a strobe tuner, or like me, a good software tuner that gives you cent readings. I went with Boss TU-3W for live use, because of the great Boss Japan build quality, instant switch reaction and a great, natural sounding buffer.
Also, if you pluck a string hard it will register sharp compared to when the string settles down a bit a second or two later. This is because when it's vibrating harder it is essentially tighter and thus sharper. My advice is to play the strings firmly but not super hard when tuning.
Not sure how I missed the video 2 years ago. But much appreciated! đ€
I've had the Snark for a few months and once left it at our practice space for a week and was forced to use a boss tuner...I was so glad to get the snark back!
There are a couple of reasons that the G chord sounds more in tune to you than the E. First, the third of the chord will always be more open to interpretation, because the 3rd is more out of tune in equal temperament. Second, when you fret unwound strings, especially the G and B strings, they tend to go sharp in comparison with the open string. Thus, when you fret the E chordâs third on the G string. Itâs the most likely to sound a little wonky.
Finally, the timers are more accurate than your ears, but your ears will tend to prefer intervals that are in just temperament, while the tuner will simply tune to the equal tempered frequency. So itâs very possible for a person to tune the guitar to a particular chord, but then have other chords sound out of tune.
When you pluck a string hard, you are increasing the length of the string. Thus, the attack will always be a little sharp.
Thanks for this explanation. I've read a bit about tempered tuning and I understand the gist of it, but your comment about why the G string is so tricky on an E chord---because it's the 3rd of the chord. That's a useful little nugget of knowledge there!
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I'm far from an expert on the matter but I think you might be incorrect on you last point. My understanding is that a longer string will produce a flatter note (unless you tighten it up of course). I'm pretty sure the hard pluck makes the note go sharp due to the increased string tension from the stretching of the string. My basic rule with these thing is Shorter, thinner, tighter = sharper. I hope I'm right :)
Reginaldesq Yes, you are right, you arenât actually lengthening the string but increasing tension. Same effect as in bending.
@@duffypratt I've never thought about that before, but isn't your original comment also true. If you measured the length of an open string, and then the same string bent up, say, 2 whole tones (big bend), surely it's now longer (although it would be at a higher tension too). So presumably an open plucked string, while vibrating, is also slightly longer, and simultaneously, under more tension. Two things at once, just as tuning is simultaneously boring and fascinating.