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This looks like a good solution for a divorced setup where this is sitting in a closet or different room than your main PC and you run lines to it. Maybe even have it sitting near a window to dump the hot air outside rather than in the same room. Similar to how a window AC unit has a part that sticks out the window, or how whole house AC systems have a handler inside and a condenser outside.
One of the issues being: the chiller will probably consume 100+W power to chill your water cooling loop. You could just supply your pc with fresh air with some dryer vent tubing and a couple fans, only consuming 10s of Watts.
Yes I was thinking it could be plumbed outside the house.
Yeah, I was thinking dryer vent to the outside for summer, inside in winter.
Sure, but at that point you could also just buy long hoses, make a little frame or use/get a spare case, and do the exact same thing with a normal liquid cooling loop without having to pay for a sub-par refrigerator. Hell, just hacking an extended loop in to a cheap minifridge would probably work better!
@@teekayfourtwoone4686 Which if you're going to cut holes in your house to cool your computer in the winter you might as well just pump that frigid air to the computer (or put the computer outside) and skip the extra power usage.
After watching the video a second time I did notice that it actually has service ports. So if for some reason you can have a HVACR technician add more refrigerant. It's nice that they didn't make it a sealed unit like so many ac units and refrigerators. I bet with some more development this could be a really good product.
Jay mentioned it had a 'Freon' filling port.
@@gh8447 yeah I some how missed that the first time through the video
You mean sealed like EVERY WINDOW AC UNIT the days hahaha. It’s so annoying. (You can add the values but whatever)
Most are sealed, because unless you're a licensed professional, they don't even want you to have the chance of touching it yourself and releasing gasses into the environment. You actually most likely cannot even buy the exact refrigerant that you would need. You might be able to buy an overpriced can of a mixed solution that you can top up your car with at autozone, but nothing more.... If a sealed unit needs charging, a professional will tell you if it's cheaper to add a port and re-charge it, or just straight up buy a new unit.
BTW, refrigerant costs $50-100 a pound. Your home ac holds on average 8+ pounds. Your window unit would be around 2-4 pounds. That's already more than $200 not including labor. Better off buying a new one
@@johnmonteon While yes that is all true. You can buy R134a and manifold gauge sets legally without a license. Should the average person attempt a repair themselves probably not.
The heat coming out of this thing will be the heat removed from the PC plus the heat created operating the unit itself (compressor, power supply, pump, fans, electronics). So yeah, I would expect it to be pretty warm.
A correct thermodynamic statement.
You can just measure the electric consumption of the unit and compare that with the consumption of what it replaces in the computer (an AIO, air cooler or whatever). That’s the exact amount of extra heat that you got in the room, and of course nothing would beat just a a passive radiator because you don’t add any extra power to move heat around
@@tmbchwldt3508 not even close to accurate. A properly sized chiller will freeze the PC, this thing is just a toy. Too small.
@@RobertSmith-lh6hg how is what I said inaccurate? This is just about the thermodynamics and energy added to the room. You can use the biggest chiller in the world and freeze your PC to absolute zero, in the end you still end up with additional heat in the room, and the electrical power consumed by this chiller (absent any effects of e.g. gases u brought in that you release like liquid nitrogen) is the additional heat in the room. You can pipe that to outside and have a form of a split air conditioner, but this is the only way to not end up with a hotter room than a passive radiator cooled PC.
@@tmbchwldt3508 very true @robert is wrong.
Anyone else appreciate how brutally honest Jay is?! Like he's fun and silly but also dead serious!
Yup
Lmao 🤣🤣 that's the best part 😂😂
I mean yeah - but i'm having a really hard time hearing him complain about high 12th gen temps - which I have never seen. 89*F Idle and 150*F under a 2k CoD load is fantastic in my opinion. Other than that, i like his vids.
Sometimes but proof viewing might help, it's a condenser not a heat exchange, it's also volts not watts, just saying.......
The "never going on my desk" made me chuckle because yeah, that's an honest review.
8:35 any vinyl hose fittings are larger than the hose, when you force the vinyl over the inner part of the fitting it becomes larger than the diameter it was before, so long as the thickness of the hose is more than gap in the compression fitting it will compress it and seal. It's the same in vehicle compression fittings. I know you probably know and this is a simple mistake.
I was coming to say the same thing. I think he was just on a rant and decided to not use his brain.
If you are using a thinner wall thickness than the fitting requires then it can still not seal when you get it over the barbs.
@@RevRaptor898 i did explain that. Starts with so long as...
yeah i was just wondering that ... thank you
Came to say this too. “You haven’t put the tube on the fitting yet, it’s going to expand!” That’s me yelling at Jay on my screen.
I had a techy friend that had a warehouse like building on his property. It was cooled by one of those large roof industrial AC units. He cobbled some piping together and ran his PC water cooling loop through the AC system. Had a sweet gamer room.
Only Intel could design their CPUs in the heat of the deserts of the Middle East, only to run too hot in North America.
Linus from Linus tech tips, actually has a very similar set-up in his his new house. IIRC he has all his PC's water cooling hooked up to his Solar Panel's heatsink cooling unit (I think that's what it is, I haven't watched the video in a while though) I believe he also cools his pool's water with it as well.
It's pretty ingenious when ya think about it, and if I had access to such things, I'd probably give it a try as well.
@@Aevilbeast the pool piping is for heating the pool, in turn cooling the water cooling
@@Aevilbeast Seems like a really overengineered solution for rich people's problems tho xD I mean just a standard PC is perfectly fine unless you're a youtuber and can actually make money from building such stuff.
@@LuLeBe outside of the US it's extremely common to have simple black metal heat-absorbers on roofs for free hot water during the summer or on bright days. Makes perfect sense to take advantage of that.
it's not difficult to run freon cooling etc but what people don't consider is the water condensation that can be frozen, then drip on electrical components if you turn off the PC.
What that unit needs... is ducted airflow... so that you can bring in air from outside, and dump the hot exhaust back outside... then it would make sense! Right now, it is basically a portable AC unit without the air ducts attached! I would love to see more of the components inside, and how it actually cools the water from the loop.
It's a heat pump, it'll move heat from a custom loop and dump it into the nearby air, which may or may not be in the same room as the PC it's cooling. I can see that being on the other side of a wall and being used to cool both a CPU and GPU resulting in the PC having zero moving parts and being ultra quiet. Otherwise the same result can be reached with a custom loop and a Peltier.
Or build a little shelter and have it outside the house, dumping the heat directly into the air outside so you don't even have to use your AC to pump the heat out.
I remember when LTT did this and asked if we wanted a followup. Which we never got, Happy to see you did something similar here Jayz
LTT has done all kinds of insane liquid cooling videos, including with a car radiator. Are you talking about the ultra-janky custom chiller that Linus built when he was a teenager? It didn't seem like anybody enjoyed working on that thing, the end result wasn't very good (I don't think they ever got it to not leak all over the place), and I bet if it ever gets brought up in content meetings, everybody is like "if you want to touch that again, Linus, you're on your own".
@@megachonk9440 Aww so naive so sweet ;)
As if Linus would bother doing this video. How is he going to fit his usual 15 minutes of advertising into a video that is 20 minutes of content long? Linus even made a separate channel to hand-off stuff like this, so he doesn't have to cover it at all on the main one!
That's half the reason I quit being a member over there, it's controlled by Yvonne now, not Linus and you see less of his personality these days too. Sad, I loved Linus Tech Tips I even bought a tonne of support merch. But those days are gone, these days Yvonne Tech Tips became a childrens channel.
Weren't there replies here just a second ago..? I was about to respond to one under this comment and now they're gone...or maybe I'm just mistaken lol.
This is a redesigned glycol chiller. I had considered trying that. Brewers use them.
Looks like a water chiller they use em for hydroponics and aquariums
@@amp2193 its welding torch cooler !!
Yeah I thought it was just an aquarium chiller but with ***marketing***
Yeah, and from the looks of it they took every chiller lesson possible and then threw it out the window... reservoir too small, HX is not in the reservoir, etc. You'd actually be better off buying a 1gal 1/10hp chiller and using that instead.
@@ksl177 Yep other companies already made them better than this.
I actually used a 1/10 hp chiller off Amazon to cool my water loop for a while. Worked great and hilarious when your cpu is sitting at 25C under full load. Gpu was second in the loop so it was closer to 45C but the chiller auto modulated and I had no condensation issues.
That's genius, truly. This comment alone should stop anyone from buying this product at its current price.
I've always wanted to try one. But I want to be at like 10c. Do you think one of these chillers could keep me at 10c?
Unless you are using low wattage components, you need a huge res for a 1/10 HP chiller to be useful. Several gallons minimum. Even a 1/2 HP chiller has trouble keeping up with many higher end graphics cards without a huge res of chilled coolant.
do you still have the name of the product?
@@Mildly_Amused I believe the heat exchanger in this chiller was about a half gallon or more, so you're probably right, I wasn't able to obviously test it with a smaller reservoir, but didn't need to. And considering the small (relative to heatsink) surface area of most gpu dies, there is a ceiling to the amount of heat that can be transferred without increasing the deltaT as the gpu wattage increase simply due to the thermal conductance of materials. I'm sure liquid metal under the water block would help the situation, but I can't say for sure because I've never tested it. I used stock thermal paste under my 5700xt and arctic silver on my ryzen 3600.
You should test the power draw at idle, full speed and something in the middle. Might be interesting for some other applications where you need an active cooling loop
This is great. I needed a heater for winter anyway. And with those quiet 55db you can easily sleep while it runs
Meanwhile me sleeping near a mobile AC with 55db, this is fine! But the noise this thing makes would drive me crazy.
I would have to mod it to reduce the noise, but it is doable.
55dB is NOT quiet
I would be curious to see this applied to out-of-room cooling though.
at 1.3L/min, I m worried that extending the tube will generate huge temperature peaks
@@TwinsCustomsCA Right, I would think putting this in the attic right above my desk and PC now, next to where my current HVAC would be might work, but still as Jay said, is it worth that effort for $650 PLUS the labor of putting it there and the electrical cost nowadays? I would be a short tubing run, but in the end I don't think it's practical.
@@TwinsCustomsCA To do what he wants you'd likely have to add a 2nd pump in your system to supplement the pump in the chiller unit to overcome the distance between the PC and chiller.
@@toddward3855 It would be more practical to buy a cheap window unit and strap a radiator to the front.
Out of the room is the only place I could see using this. Getting the heat out of the game room would help immensely. Even with the short run I would use, I would be concerned about the flow.
Interesting to see a product like this only now. About 20 years ago, when I first learned that "liquid cooling a computer" is a thing that exists and not having access to the internet to check what it actually means, I imagined pretty exactly something like this. A cooler, which cools down the water and hooks up to the computer with tubes.
But it's not. External PC chillers have been used for a long time and they've been expensive. You'll notice that older "enthusiast" pc cases will have grommeted tube holes.
Hmm... Back in the early 2000.. wasn't Tom's hardware once experimented with simply submerging a complete pc unit sans the psu into an aquarium kinda filled to the brim with palm oil..
Apart from that one of a kind extreme there were also model of separate external cooling unit very close resembling this one.
For this kind of cooling measure now open sale to the masses ..
@@dureteheiral1793 there was lots of that, yep. While generally cheaper and mass produced now, there were external AC type chillers that people could buy and stack on top of or below the tower.
@@MegaStamandster yep, and all those fancy looking copper cooling unit designed for not only the cpu, but also mobo's chipset.. even ram...
Although those stuffs usually geared mostly towards serious overclockers... Being pricey was mostly single determining factor...
There was at least one PC case with an integrated phase-change cooler back in the day. General consensus was it was hilariously awesome, but also impractically loud even by the standards of the day.
Back in early days of water cooling where we were milling our own "maze" style blocks and using pond pumps to circulate water, some friends and I hooked up an aquarium chiller to the loop in a similar fashion. It had the same problems then that it appears to have now.
this and a whole pc = explosive outlets lets gooo
laughs in european
@@bigtitmaster Google Translate:
Tee hee hee, oh you silly.
I have a feeling there will be specific scenarios this will be an ideal solution.. however, I'm also of the mind that this looks a lot better on paper than it does in reality. Nice work though, great video!
If it was cheaper, a bit quieter, and actually came with proper fittings, it would actually be pretty nifty.
I used to use the Coolit System Freezone Elite V2, it used to be able to get your CPU to sub-ambient temperatures easily while still being a relatively small self-contained unit that ran pretty quiet because the fan never had to spin at high RPM.
I love these kind of videos - something weird but useful, even to a fringe audience, always makes for a good video, and I can count on you being honest about it.
Would love to see a jayztwocents version of this? Using better fans and components etc. Great idea but needs a enthusiastic approach to it.
FWIW 28C is 82F, not in the 70’s. It’s pretty much the easiest conversion between the two to remember because it’s just a straight transposition. Useful for me as a Brit living in the US. :)
As an American that learned Cº back in 2020 when nothing else mattered anymore, this was the first thing I heard. "Uhh....no, thats wrong" lol
@@rookkincaid 82.4F, close enough.
8:50 it does compress when you install the hose on the connector, the hose gets wider and it will compress a little bit.
If you had this in a room on the other side of the wall where your tower is located it might work out really well. The only problem I see with that option is head pressure. You would most likely need it to be roughly on the same level, height wise, as your tower in the other room. Running the hoses through the wall is super simple you just need to avoid studs. The price though seems quite high when you can achieve adequate cooling with little to no noise in your case alone without having to drill 1 inch circular holes in your wall.
This reminds me of cascade setups for XOC, but seems like a product in search of a market. I spent more than this on my custom loop, but the whole point of that loop is to make my workstation as quiet as possible.
Hmm , I was curious about the power draw.
I can see only 2 use cases for this. It's a cool thing to set a few benchmarks with.
Or, something to use to keep your cpu cool (ish), even in hot climates. for example if the ambient temp is very high, you might need something like this to be able to do your rendering,, or get 60fps on your game. Both are rather limited use cases, and frankly, there are better ways of doing this. (even Jays ghetto AC cooling is a better option, imo)
The iFix it ad is still the best, makes me laugh every single time.
Super cool idea, seen something similar on performance pcs' website before, but at a much higher price. It's super niche for an already niche segment of a technical hobby so I too can't imagine these selling fast
I like it. I'd definitely mod it with better barbs, quieter fans and noise foam. And fix that internal bend on the res that looks like it's very restrictive.
I had an idea similar to this with an air-tight sealed PC that is designed to loop air threw an internal AC radiator with the pump and other parts in a separate exterior case. this would allow you to cool the PC below what a normal air or water-cooled system could do and keep dust out of your system forever. the only issue is condensation so you would need a good drying system also.
I've always wondered about those Sterling cryo coolers and if its possible to somehow get one to cool liquid in a pc loop there not that big and can achieve like 40 Kelvin which is overkill and would freeze the coolant solid but if you could somehow control it might be a really interesting project.
Keep the temp about 75F (24C) and you don't get condensation.
@@morgan5941 I've noticed they are hard to find and I'm not even sure of how much they cost
@@nestaash with enough flow and pressure you could get down to 47 degrees below zero with pure water. that is the lowest water can go before no matter the speed or pressure it freezes instantly. with a glycol mix, you can get down to 60 degrees below zero.
@@AllanWorks you know anywhere were one can be purchased online.
need to make a mini split that can heat exchange outside of your house. this could be useful for tight data closet.
What i like about this, is the fact that it could basically sit in a completely different room to the PC you are running. Depending on the pump (which possibily needs to be upgraded). Would also remove the exhaust heat issue in the room.
Tbh it’s a good concept but still needs more time to work out the kinks can’t wait to see how the finished product or a v2 comes out definitely going to keep an eye on it
It's unlikely to improve much because of physics. I mean take a look at ACs. They've been around for decades but they're still loud and consume a lot of energy because cooling is an energy-intense process. Unless there's a completely new tech on market, this won't change at all.
Maybe they could add an option where you can route the exhaust side out of a window. Just like those ACs you can buy at home depot that have a hose and bracket set up so you can vent outside. Also maybe, if the pump is strong enough, you could run longer hoses a little further away so it doesn't have to be close to the PC?
just buy 1 of those, they go for half the price
This is actually a pretty interesting system, maybe not for THAT price but it looks upgradable and fairly serviceable I like it, I look forward to the changes they’ll make
Still the best add read on youtube XD quick, concise and beautifully stupid. Love it!
Only time I could see this helping is in a back yard shop/tool shed for some one who wants to do machining and large scale 3d metal working or 3d printing. But like you said that price for something that you could achieve with standard watercooling isn’t worth it in a day to day use.
Or a garage set up
A gimmick that you'd probably want placed in it's own contained space not located in the same room.
Right. May as well get a window unit at that point. xD
Reminds me of the chillers Koolance offered, a couple decades ago, although as I recall, their units looked much nicer.
Outside MORA rad would make much more sense. Unless ambient temperature is extremely high, overkill rad area and a good D5 pump would allow near silent performance.
I like this, very much, takes most of the possibilities of coolant damage away from the main computer, to be perfectly honest it is a great idea. standard pc liquid cooling is not great, the temps just keep rising because theres no way to lower it, one of these boxes implemented properly would be awesome. also it would free up a lot of room in the case for fancy waterblocks and reservoirs.
This looks like something you would have in a garage or basement and plumb the water to where you have your computer set up. (As long as the pump can handle the elevation?)
You can add an inline pump if you wanna MacGyver it to the fullest.
finally somewhere i can shine, im an IT specialist and currently training as a hvac tech, this thing is using a compressor thats what the black thing at the boom is, and it using a 1/4 inch copper pipe to bring the refridgerant to evaporator and condensor which should be inside this device im gonna assume the evap is at the top and condensor is at the bottom, yes ur are correct jay your desk gonna be fucking hot that copper tube gonna have some liquid that can go up to 200 degrees F (93 Cel) coming out (yes no joke) so yes ur desk gonna be fucking hot from that exit port.
I'm sure there's use cases where this makes sense, mostly industrial applications or PCs in small closed spaces where you could use longer hoses to have this unit relocate the heat somewhere else. For most people though, running a 2nd daisy-chained 360 radiator would be more cost-effective.
This reminds me of those Asetek Vapochill computer cases that had a refrigerator compressor built-in way back from 2003. Those were epic. But the reviewed product is not a new or novel idea, except maybe for having a separate, cooling unit outside of the case, rather than integrated to the case. However, having it as a separate unit seems like a downgrade to me.
I had one of those back then! Worked well for the era. Compressor fired up & when the CPU had cooled enough, it turned on the PC. They were _meant_ for sub-zero cooling and overclocking, though, and the evaporator was directly on die, not via liquid.
@@NemoConsequentae they were so forward thinking for the time!
pretty loud at first for sure, you would for sure have to like.....put it in a closet or something to deal with that noise. Granted that ability to cool is ballsy but.....at what cost lol. I would want to see how much it is pulling from the wall extra to the system itself as well.
Yeah, until your closet ends up 50°C.
@@ska4dragons proper fan takes care of that. I run a single rack mount in my closet (with proper temp controls) I also let my 3d printer go ham in there as well. Works kind of nice, is room for storing things right in there with everything. But I 100% agree, if you do something the wrong way it will for sure not work.
The problem with throwing it in a closet is that it's blowing the hot air into the same area that it's pulling in air to cool it
Like having your foot on the brakes and the gas at the same time
@@ocelotxp right, I agree if you do it incorrectly that would 100% be the situation. I just assumed anyone watching these videos would know how to properly vent a closet. I still concede the point you both made, though it as not one I was speaking to. Your idea is the same as putting your case inside a desk that has to vents. Ya the fans in the case are fine and all but its starving for air. Thats why if you do that route you have to vent it right. (though I personally would never go that route for a desk, but there is always a way to get things done)
So yes, if you DO end up building out something in a room with no windows, please make sure you follow the standard venting rules and regulations. I hope that helps whomever else has questions on setting something up in your apartment closet.
@@seraphimdelta Why would you assume that anyone who watches a PC tech channel vents closets?
And I'd love to see you demo that vest that would be a hoot.
Looking at the connection fittings on the back it looks like the compression comes from the inside front edge of the retaining nut onto the tube were it goes over the barb as the barb will expand the tube to the correct diameter for the fitting nut to clamp on the hose, I have used this type of fitting before but not for computer cooling
My understanding of HVAC systems is pretty surface level, but... Shouldn't that unit have a second heat exchanger (The condenser?) for the Freon ?
The main radiator we can see would be the refrigerant->air exchanger. The second exchanger must be behind it/in the top of the case for water loop->refrigerant.
I can’t see it, though.
From my limited knowledge, it looks like the one air heat ex-changer is for the compressor. The "chilled" matter in this case is the water instead of air, so you wont see a second radiator since that chilled water goes to the CPU.
It would be better to have an external loop and place the radiator right next to your air-conditioned. For those who doesn't have air conditioning, just put the radiator outside of your room through a window and kind of weather proof it (away from direct sunlight and water splashes). Or have your radiator inside a cooler then put dry ice inside it.
or get a split type AC.
So your waterblock is considerably cooler than the air around it, drawing condensation? Just route the cool, dehumidified A/C air to the intake of your PC case, then hook dryer ducting to the exhaust fans of your case and route that out the window, or some other exhaust duct. Any possible condensation would then be on the outside of the case, likely not a problem. ;)
Love the sound effects, Jay!!😂
Makes me consider using a few Y-junctions to change flow between a radiator mounted in front of an AC vent and one on the outside of the AC.
Really curious how this would work if you also had a conventional rad in-line as a pre-cooler?
it would be interesting if the rad was set up for intake fans, because it would chill the air down going into the case which would help out other components as well.
I feel like that would just heat the coolant. Up. The air inside your case is going to be way warmer than the coolant. The radiator inside the unit is for cooling the freon and then it does a liquid to liquid heat exchange to cool the coolant in the loop. So you would be making the chiller work harder.
@@FunktasticLucky not sure about this. If you have CPU output to a rad.. this takes a load of heat out of the water.. then that outputs into the air con unit meaning the aircon unit is working less hard in theory.
@@BladeofAkire heat is energy. Energy flow to where there is a deficit to try and reach equilibrium. In the case of traditional water cooling the water is typically warmer than the air going through the radiator. Therefore the air picks up the heat energy and expels it into the room. In this case you are doing sub ambient cooling so you would be introducing warmer air into a cooler radiator therefore you would be adding energy into the loop. The coolant is already at 12C. So if the air inside your case is warmer than that you would actually be adding heat into the coolant.
@@FunktasticLucky I'm talking about placing the rad after the CPU and before the chiller. Therefore the chilled fluid would be going directly to the CPU via the insulated pipes.
Id like to see Jay don his own one using an aquarium chiller. They tend to be alot less noisy
It is small version of industrial close loop water cooling for laboratory instruments. It is on market for years. They can be located far from the cooled instrument, in basement for example.
As mentioned, biggest issue is avoiding a negative feedback loop by getting the heat out of the room. Would be cool to see a window unit or minisplit with an integrated water loop.
Yes! Mini split or a window mounted unit like this would be much more useful and less intrusive!
Just give me back my god damn EVGA graphic cards!!!!
Crazy how good a 360 can handle the heat while keeping the system quiet compared to the chiller thing.
We use chillers on our ICP-OES machines, based off of their size I think this unit would need to be about 2x in size to do what its trying to accomplish.
This seems like the sort of thing that a small grow tent would be used in conjunction with to redirect the air to a window. LTT did a video about that - cooling a PC with air in a grow tent, if engineered correctly, an outside source of cooler air could feed the tent, letting the chiller do its job then exhausting the hot air, provide there's a sealed way in.
This could be installed like a window ac.
That was my first thought. Mount it outside.
Tbh, $699 isn't even that bad, considering how expensive good fans, a radiator, reservoir and pump can get
And if you can route the hot air out of a window, you won't feel too much of the additional heat in your room
I would imagine the next step up is like with a portable ac you have a tube running to a window insert to dump the hot air or maybe dryer vents in bedrooms become common place. Honestly I absolutely love this but I also must agree that I wouldn't put it on my desk so I'm not sure how to feel. I'm certainly not in a position to start running water tubes through my door way or inside a wall. I also think this freon based cooling is the best step forward for pc's considering we use it in cooling applications in most other appliances.
Dude i just keep rofl at your ifixit gig i love it
Let's just imagine , if we put one of that units on a XMG laptop with that water inlet type cooling, that would be sick and let's try to change the fans
Hey Jay, well here's my 2 cents..... This is a cool idea, (no pun intended) If they are used to working with servers, this thing probably is quiet in their opinion. I have an exhaust fan above and behind my computer in the wall, (very quiet) because my office does get hot from the computer running. I got lucky and ran the vent through the wall and it exits right at the cold air return for my A/C in my house so the warm air goes in there and on to the A/C system, but not everyone will be able to configure it that way. I didn't want to blow it outside cause then it sucks hot air into the house to replace the air blown outside and in so-cal when it's 100 degrees you don't want that. Love your show, have a great day.
As a HVAC tech, I am glad you called it a chiller. That's exactly how large scale chiller systems work.
Freon is a brand name of refrigerant. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when people say "freon". It is refrigerant!!!!!! Regardless.
Jay, I have been in the HVAC industry for 35 years, a unit's capacity is not such a directly liner balance of room temp and output temp. there will be a loss of efficiency when room temp is higher but if that is a little "tin can" compressor I see there it should follow industry standards and they account for ambient temps when doing capacity ratings. to boil it down for you, it's all about changing the boiling and condensing points of the refrigerant to transfer heat. most refrigerants have boiling and condensing points to take account for differences in ambient temps, so they work in a range of environments. the boiling temp might be 38 degrees at one point and the condensing temp 165 in another so a small change in room temp wont effect the condensing of the refrigerant very much. the company probably repurposed a small beverage cooler to act as a chiller for PC's. it would be fairly easy to do a remote chiller to keep your loop temp just above the dew point (no condensation) and keep the noise & heat somewhere else, 100 feet away or even on the roof.
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I can see this being useful for rendering or simulations
I love the ifixit interruptions 😂, never gets old
I still have a box of 1/4 fittings and adapters from quarter to 3/8 back when CPU blocks used 3/8 and GPU coolers and or VRAM coolers used 1/4 inch. Basically its just a rebranded chiller you can buy for your laser engraver/aquarium. Hence the 1/4 inch barbs they didn't even bother to put standard barbs for the PC on the unit.
seems like a good option if you vent the heat to outside. well aside from the noise anyway.
What about plumbing it into an existing custom loop? So instead of expecting it to take 100 percent of the heat load, it could just be used as an assist. The water could go through all your rads, then to the chiller as the last point in the loop before the water goes back to the block.
you would need a fan controller that can uave temperature probes attached to it before going down this path. even then, you will lessen the capacity of the chiller. the radiator will heat up the water if the water is below ambient Temps so the fan controller monitors water temp vs ambient temp and shuts down fans accordingly. it would help in that case. it would hurt in cases where the water temp is below ambient temp.
I love this think I would want one coz my case has 2 holes for tubes at the back of the PC for the hoses or the could jus make a air unit like this and btw jay don't U have the right fittings to use lying around your studio somewhere it's hard to believe U don't have some that could fit this chiller of hose.
Your iFixIt ad is one of the FEW out there that I not only never skip, but I giggle every time. Juvenile, I know, but there it is.
I would love too see a Grainfather Glycol chiller made for beer brewing and had up to 4 channels (for 4 kegs) its the size of a mini fridge but would be interesting as it come with quick disconnect fittings that could be adapted
this would be nice with longer tubes so you can hang this on the outside wall so you dump the hot air straight outside but not in the same room you are better off then with a normal AIO or custom loop that way it is more quiet just for some extra temp because in both cases you dump hot air in your own room still
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It's definitely a chiller these are used on aquariums pretty often.
It is weird when you hear Jay speaking as Doc Brown from Back Into the Future, shouting "1.3 points per minute!!!" hahahahaha 😆
good concept. i had done experiments in water cooling years ago similar where i used a 250 gpm aquarium water pump (in those days we didnt have internal reservoirs and internal 12 volt pumps yet we also didnt have the cool radiators for pc's like we do today.) i ran 1/2 inch diameter lines with danger den water blocks on cpu gpu northbridge chip and ram. ran ran the water lines out of pc to pump to several in line aluminum radiators ( used these to drop water temps coming out of pc slightly before they go to the water fountain cooler) into a old style hang on the wall drinking water fountain and cooled the water this way. i achieved impressive cooling temps on old socket 3 amd cpu's then. was able to massively over clock the chip and still maintain 40-50 degrees F under a load. here i feel the maker stopped short on several aspects and they can improve alot. 1 get better larger quieter fans. no brainer here. 2 use larger evaporator and condenser cores. or 3 go Peltier loose the compressor noise. i also done experiments with Peltier's in those days problem is they cool to well and i got blocks of ice on the boards and chips shorting things out. (i had the peltiers directly on the chips with water blocks on back sides to take away the heat) water loop system simular to above water cooling loop but without the inline aluminum radiators and without the drinking water fountain cooler. i used 1/2 inch pvc hose i bought at lowe's and the danger den water blocks and the 250 gpm aquarium water pump. which Peltier's i experimented with first before i done above water cooling system. Peltier's are a great quiet source of cooling. now i have always had a idea to make a external box like this using Peltier's attached to water radiators or water blocks in a case could help eliminate frost buildup in system. especially if they are regulated and have a built in with multiple Peltier's 1 in defrost cycle while another cooling will need a controlling board for this feature but very doable and can if built right provide massive temp drops from a AIO or custom water loop system. i have always felt and have had goals of running my cpu's and gpu's under 100 degrees F with a room temp of 80-85 degrees F. at these temps all your computer equipment will last alot longer and i know jay says the temps i see him say is acceptable. to me i am like damn thats to hot for me. lol as such i will end up building my own custom cooling system from scratch and scraps i find around town people is throwing away and modify it to meet my needs and goals. so i can achieve 100 degrees F or less on a new AM 5 cpu with 3d and a newer video card size undetermined at moment (waiting to see what used GPU prices does) but GPU will not be under a RTX 2080 running at 100 degrees F or less. but my cooling setup will be designed to be put on the floor or hang under desk so its not sitting on top of my desk.
Cool. Place that cooler at outside and run tube that is long enough to reach your water block.
Anyway, I think they tend for this unit to put on the floor, but yeah, with short tubing it will be difficult...
Thank you so much!
I think, like Andrew Dinu said, if you were to put this unit inside its own cubbyhole on the outside of the house, that would rather restrict where to put the computer relative to the cooling unit. Additionally, you might want to include a little soundproofing on the walls of the cavity so you didn't let most of that noise back inside (my chief complaint). It ain't a quiet unit in the least.
It would be nice to see the wattage from the wall for the test rig, versus test rig + cooling style. I bet people don't realize how much more wattage this thing is going to dump into the room, thus making the home AC run more. You get a compound effect of "wasted" electricity.
They should make exterior units, a mini-split for your PC.
So, what I was thinking is that the chiller has heat pipes, that are inside the water tank, to cool the water. Not just from the bottom of the water tank. Not enough surface area.
If you have copper heat pipes that go inside the water tank, then that water is in direct contact with the water it is trying to cool. Those heat-pipes could just be mounted to a copper block, like they do already, and that attached to the chiller or peltier type setup.
The problem I have noticed with most "chillers" is the lack of surface area being chilled and no one seems to have thought to make a device that runs the chilling components inside the tank.
You could even make one with a perspex tube, just glued to the base with the heat-pipes inside the tube, kind of like how an old incandescent light bulb looks, but the filament structure is obviously the heat pipes and the water surrounds it all.
I've always wondered what would happen if I got a really small fish tank chiller and hooked it up to a water loop. I would love to see you do it JayzTwoCents! This is almost like that, but I would love to see the DIY style !
I’ve done it, works great
The ultrasound the chiller makes is driving me crazy
That power plug you got there Jay is Australia and New Zeeland. Asia uses the USA plus 120v USA power ( i know been there hahah) that plug you have is ONLY used in AU/NZ.
11:20 You can tell it isn't coming from Australia or New Zealand because it has exposed metal all the way up the two angled prongs on the power plug, it is now mandatory for Australian (and I assume NZ) plugs to have a non-conductive coating half way up those prongs so that if it isn't completely plugged in you can't short them by dropping a thin metallic object (usually demonstrated with a coin) between the plug and the socket.
This is way better than industrial chiller that is used for my laser cutter. This chiller clearly belong in production facility where it would be considered more quiet and convinient than alternatives. This might suck for home user but looks awesome from my pov.
Yep, this does seem like a gimmick, but I could think of a use case or two. However, I wouldn't use this as the primary cooling for a PC. Rather, I would use it as a secondary loop chiller. I would probably hook this up to an existing open loop system via quick disconnects, and run the tubing into another room where there'd be more capacity to handle the heat and potential noise/vibration. For example, in the case of my apartment, I would put this in my bedroom where during the day I'm not in it, but my poorly designed air conditioner keeps the bedroom at 69F while the rest of my one-bedroom apartment hovers around 78-80F. I would still maintain an existing loop in my system and have this set up to pull from and return to the reservoir of that loop. That way, if I have any failures, need to service the chiller, or want to take my rig to a LAN party, I don't need to lug it along. I would then set the fan controller to only spin up the fans on my radiators IF the water temperature suddenly started increasing above the ambient air temperature. Theoretically, any excess cooling would be deposited in the room with the desktop with the majority of the waste heat being dumped into my bedroom, warming in there as well.
ooh that cooling backpack got me interested at the end. as someone that is so warmblooded i can walk outside in -40°C/°F in a t-shirt that backpack could save me coming summer
I had been looking for something like this. I wouldn't put it on my desk, but a few feet away off to the side. The price seems fair, but would like it a little quieter and come with. Quick connect fittings and a connector plate to connect it to the back of the pc. Also, did it have anything that turned it on/off when the PC was turned on/off? That might be important depending on use case.
I live where "normal" summer temps are 90F. I have a room AC unit that blows hot air out the window. I take the side panel off my PC and have the cold air blowing into it. Keeps the room bearable and my PC fairly cool running as well.
Your ifixit segways are always great!
I would ABSOLUTELY rock this thing.. BUT! I'd drill two holes in the floor and place the thing in the crawl-space beneath the house.
Not dissimilar from what I did with an old car radiator, fan, and pond pump back in the day.. Worked fantastic! Gaming room was dead silent and no matter how long I gamed, stayed the same temp as the rest of the house :D
This iFixit ad reel is nothing short of Legendary. Sometimes better than the actual content :P