I work a ford dealer and I just did one of these oil consumption on an f150 and it said in the TSB if the build date I think was before Oct 19 to replace the dipstick. Is that true?
Yes if it's built before October 4th 2019 you replace a dipstick and then you drain the engine oil and put a new filter on it and then reprogram the PCM because during the fuel shut off of Vince the throttle plate was staying closed so with the new PCM strategy they actually open the throttle plate so it doesn't pull so much vacuum on the PCV system and it can pull Fresh Air instead of through the PCV system
I have ALWAYS felt that the Coyote had high vacuum oil consumption potential. My suspicions were that why the 2012 used more oil, over my current 2014, is because of the manual trans and spending more time on the overrun in gear and thus, highest possible vacuum. The auto is just upshifting out of that, all the time.
@@FordBossMe back in the day the old boys would drill a small hole in the choke butter fly just so that it wouldn't not run so rich when cold , but doesn't that TB have to be open for idle 650 rpm , or does it completely close during deceleration ? which doesn't make sense ,FORD BOSS ME will us know it that worked.
It could also be a way for them to actually gauge what's in the system at a lower level to see how much consumption is actually going on beyond what the stick has to show
@@josephwash109 They already have "programed" the fuel gauge, it's not a linear travel. It will stay above 3/4 longer than it should to give better satisfaction. Then it moves from 3/4 to 1/4 faster than it should. Then it hangs at 1/4tank until the 50 mile fuel warning to not cause panic. All mind games from the manufacturer, don't assume Ford is the only one doing it! 🤔
Great video, lots of good info. Thanks, but I'll just save my money and keep running my 03 Grand Marquis with 363,000 miles(+10,000 idle hours), even if it burns off 1 quart of oil every 2,400 miles. If I paid $50,000-$70,000 for a new truck, it better be perfect.
Man I’m loving your channel. I was a Ford/Lincoln/Mercury drivability tech through the 90’s -2002. I currently have a 16 and 21 f150 with a coyote and constantly check my oil level. Now I have an understanding of what the reflash did for that issue. Why can’t the internet experts understand there’s a big picture when it comes to repairing some issues
MrJohnnyDistortion, I drive about 200miles a week or use a tank of diesel per week, I always put extra oil in her so I’m not always super stressed about it.
We have a 2018 and always turn the start stop off. We bought the truck used and I just did the first oil change on it and it still had the right amount of oil in it even after we had driven it down to the 15% of oil life left mark on the computer. I also like how everybody online shows these trucks dumping oil all over the place when they change the oil. I just used a large pair of needle nose pliers to turn the plug until it was loose then pulled it out slow and held the plug while it drained. Yeah it sucked holding the plug but was better then oil everywhere.
There’s an argument that letting it drain slowly doesn’t get anything that’s settled in the pan out. Then again that’s what the filter is for so not sure who’s right.
The oversights that happens when building these sophisticated cars is pretty normal sadly. I’m a tech at Honda and the biggest recall we got going on at the moment are the recalls on the fuel pumps that have a potential to malfunction and has affected almost every new Honda/Acura from 2019 and up, it’s crazy
I'm friends with the engineer that designed the dipstick, it's actually quite amazing. When you are sleeping, microscopic engine rebuilders come out of the new dipstick and add Nikasil to the bore and that closes up the ring gap. This in turn reduces blow-by and stops oil consumption. It's new technology called nano-rebuild and is currently in the infant stages of being approved by the national institute of weights and measures, the Wu Han Lab and the CDC. Science is paving the way for engines that last forever, one dipstick at a time.
Had this done to mine, 2018 5.0. It was burning a quart every 1k miles, now it is down to the lower region of the new dipstick at my 5k oil change. So it slowed it down but didn't cure it completely. Mine has over 80K now, had it done at 70k. And I agree about the plastic oil drain plug. I got a Ronin drain plug, it is pricey but it helps with the mess tremendously.
I got that plug also. It has a nipple to attach a small hose to so it runs strait in drain pan. But now I'm reading a lot of stuff about magnets. And I got to thinking maybe I should buy a plug that has a magnet tip on it.
@@solarfall2728 I've always got an owners manual. Dodge just recalled half million trucks because the owners manual was unsafe! 🤔🤯🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️😂 www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2021/05/28/ram-trucks-recalled-over-wheel-separation-concerns/5250615001/
I had a Honda tech busting my chops because I worked at A Ford dealer. He said I should go work at Honda, they do gravy work all day. He said their recall and service bulletin book was a pamphlet. The Ford book was like War and Peace. I told him I like the challenge. Hence the nickname Crazy Eddie. I guess I have Ford Blue running through my veins.
You know what you're right in this video I had to do a voiceover and the other video that I have on my other Channel that I don't use anymore it does have I specify it adds the court to it
Back to the 70's and early 80's when Detroit built garbage and didn't care. They think going all electric will save them. People will simply stop buying these unreliable and over priced vehicles. I know I will keep driving my older cars instead.
Old car truck ect prices are gonn go sky high, then some BS cash for clunkers program will come out and people will scrap perfectly good cars or cars with 500 dollars needed for like 250 bucks.
I agree. I fix and repair any and all on my Ford truck. People laugh when I spend money on repairs. The cost of a new truck like mine, 2009 F150 XLT with a 4.6 V8 with heavy duty haul and towing is outrageous and then to find out they are oil hogs. I only buy new and I don't know if I will ever buy new again with oil and transmission issues like todays trucks and cars.
@@hec9664 same here 2007 Chevy. It's basically the work truck package with a 5-3 and it's four-wheel drive it's exactly the way that I would have it and I don't know if I could ever find a truck like it again I'll drive it into the ground I will do all the repairs that I can personally
From what told by a ford FSE was the recall addressed a high vacuum situation on deceleration. It would pull oil from the valve stem seals and the rings. The elect T/B would not close all the way. After the reflash
@@FordBossMe 3ur engines aren't known for burning oil. It's actually a super reliable engine the biggest problem is the older ones have cam tower leaks which is a big job otherwise they are rock solid
I run my 3.7 a half quart low.. if not it ends up in the pvc tube feeding the throttle body. Been doing that last 250k miles. Over 317k now on it. No problems. 2017 transit. T250
I’ll keep my 2014 never burned oil , never any trouble and still looks new. They can keep their 70,000 - 80,000 trucks that they forgot how to build without problems.
I run my own shop independently from Ford but Ford sends me stuff all the time I like everything that you post especially because it keeps me very current on a lot of the stuff that I do thank you very much
@@solarfall2728 buy a LS tear it apart build it right install it with a Holley Terminator x they make almost any kit to do anything you can put them in a BMW a Ford a Mercedes a Honda in some cases they make kits of adapters to do everything it just costs a lot of money
I have a 2.7 F150 but have the same problem with the oil drain plug located in close proximity to the sway bar. Before every oil change, I always snag a gallon jug of milk before the wife throws it in the trash. I cut some of it off making a crude funnel. With one hand on the jug and the other twisting the plug, I gently twist and most of the oil splashes into the funnel/jug and then down to the pan. Not a fool proof system and some oil does end up on the driveway, but that's what kitty litter is for.
Interesting vid! The 5.0 Coyote was pretty dang good until Ford made it GDI in '18. Glad my personal F150 5.0 is a '16 model naturally aspirated and non GDI. I'm curious what battery maintainer do you use during programming? I am in the market for one. Thanks. -Glen
I’ve done several of these. Seems like a bandaid but I’ve yet to have any of them come back for oil consumption. Had one come back for phasers, though.
What I do with the plastic plug is pull it out slowly and hold it to control the flow then when it’s slowing down just pull it all the way out. Less mess
It's hit or miss. Some say this actually fixed the issue and a some say it didn't make a difference at all. I have an early 2018 that I put catch can on the pcv valve side and truck doesn't consume any oil and the catch can usually just has condensation in it. My truck has never had this TSB done to it.
I've got this on my 19 f150 with the coyote engine. Do I just take it to the dealer and tell them it's consuming to much oil or tell them I want this tsb done?
All I done to solve this issue is got a pcv valve oil separator its an aftermarket part they make them for alot of vehicles with oil consumption problems. Ever since I installed it I have not used a drop. Just check your pcv valve and you will find oil being sucked into the intake manifold.
If you cut a 2 litre coke bottle of similar in half you can place it over the drain plug to direct the flow of oil into the dirty oil pan saves lots of cleaning up
Any info on possible way to disable adaptive shift on '19 F150? Mine gets reset every oil change because it shifts like dog shit after about 2k miles of "learning" and starts to damn near lock up rear end erratically.
I have a ‘19 STX 5.0 and burns about 2 quarts every 1000 miles. Has an engine rattle on acceleration like marbles are being tossed around especially on an incline. Had my IWE and front half shaft replaced through warranty and wasn’t even the issue. Still rattles on both decel and accel. Said they can’t replicate the sound. I made the sound as I pulled out of the parking lot! I think this truck needs some brick therapy and a good swim. 50k miles on it.
Unfortunately the only way to stop that oil consumption is by replacing the engine and sometimes very rarely it's valve seals but every single one that I've seen and done it has been because of the block design, it's a plasma Arc line block with low tension Rings which is a recipe for disaster
Whatup AB this is that issue that i was talking about with the f150 5.0 engines 2020's ! Im hoping its not an issue like the Hyundai engines as my engine was replaced!! Keep us posted and thank you again!!
So the problem is the PCM strategy whenever it goes to downshift it closes the throttle Blade with the old programming so it doesn't have anywhere for the cylinders that are being deactivated to get air from so it pulls vacuum on the crankcase system what ends up happening is with the new programming they actually open the throttle blade up allowing it to suck fresh air into the motor and not pull vacuum on the crankcase system eliminating all of the oil pull through
@@FordBossMe ok got it. I think i heard something different from anothettech who warned against buying a 2015-2020 coyote f150 because of something to do with the valves or piston walls? But ill def keep an eye out on my oil levels. I just bought the oil and filters for oil changes between dealer oil change visits!! Thx
I always had to put an extra 1/2 quart on the mustang coyote 5.0s and the camaro ss because the dipsticks would read low right after I changed the oil.
My 2018 F 150 5.0 was made august 2018. Has never consumed oil. I put a catch can on it at 9,500 miles. Now it has 21,500 miles. The most dissatisfying thing about the truck is the deceleration rattle & the 10 speed transmission everything else is awesome. Great on the highway sucks to drive around town.
A lot of people complain about the 10-speed transmission hunting gears dropping gear suddenly into other ones when it doesn't need to Ford doesn't have a fix for it
Hava a few things to say... I've read all the way to the bottom of the comments, and what everyone needs to realize is that there isn't one manufacturer that doesn't have some sort of issues with their vehicles. Tundra you say? Look up leaking camplate on the 5.7 or turbo waste gate on the new 3.5. GM with AFM or DFM, what about collapsed lifters huh? Honda? Check out the Ridgeline piston slap. No surprise Ford has issues. So please, stop slagging and learn a bit. Look and listen for congruency in what you read and hear. (Keep up the good work Rich) The EPA has put huge pressure on burning gasoline and diesel. Engineers are constantly jumping through hoops to keep their internal combustion engines efficient. I think we are seeing the end game and have "just about" reached the finish of how efficient burning hydrocarbons can be. Lastly, and this is just my suggestion... Want to avoid the cam chain rattle and other undue tranny nosies from your F150 5.0? Learn to understand it and predict. It's a truck, not a Cadillac or Crown Vic. Be sensitive to the shift points and look ahead while driving, don't be spastic with your accelerator and braking. I know how to avoid the cam chain rattle, do you? BUT! whatever happens to your beloved trucks everyone... enjoy them! Around the corner waits a nice quiet battery operated wheelchair for you. Rich. One of my local Ford parts managers has told me that Motorcraft Full Synthetic has been discontinued. T of F? I would like to see the stats that will never be released from Ford on the percent of 5.0s that have had short or tall/long block replacements.
For the dipstick I crack the plug loose enough to hold oil but enough to flick it off with my finger and I lift the drain bucket high enough to touch the sway bar and haven’t made a single mess
I never make a mess on the ground just all over the back of the trans cooler and the sway bar and it's nothing to clean it up it's just stupid how they did it and I'm glad on the 2021 models they went back to metal pans and no longer make a mess underneath and the drain Port is on the side of the pan instead of the back
I have had and love Ford trucks. They are too complicated. They are bad ass and do amazing things....they also ride rough and the tech they use gets the best of them in longevity .
@John Stone maybe normal for these vehicles! I have a 16 year 9ld Toyota v8 with a quarter million miles on it that won't move a bit on the stick in the 6000 mile oil changes I give it. The Form it's works so I go by oil life monitor and take it to 0, but I think the miles were between 6000-7500 between changes for it.
same here for the 2015 mustang GT , a one quart soda bottle cut the big end off and put against the oil filter and let the oil drain out the small end in to the drain pan . good idea for the drain bolt . AL YORK .
i'm curious, is the oil change from 0W-20 to 5W-20? would 5W-30 be too much for these engines? the longer dipstick would NOT satisfy me because any vehicle i drive either company or personal, i keep the oil level at full mark no matter if 1/2 to 1qt low. what the difference in the oil filter? idle air solenoid? a friend of mine had just bought a 2020 F150 with 70,000miles so i will forward this video.
I wish Ford would get it together.... I’m by no means an expert but this is ridiculous. They need to actual “engineers” and higher standards of quality assurance.
Most all of the problems are a result of the manufacturer trying to meet government regulations. Ethanol blending with gasoline and the start/stop engine feature are my pet peeves.
Had this done on mine (19 5.0 f 150). Still consumes oil. Not quite as much, but still does. Put a catch can on. I get about 4 oz every 3k miles. Dont know if thats all just from blow by, or vacuum. Not really happy with it. My old 4.6 didn't consume a drop with 250k on that motor.
Kind of funny to see oil consumption rise again and again in cars. Folks forget about how cyclic it is. Ye-Olde LS2 had oil consumption problems above 3K rpm. The GM solution? Car should not be driven over 3K RPM. The LS2 being a high performance engine.. 3k.. basically it was a total BS punt of an engineering failure. Which is what is happening here really. A catch can should help. Helps the LS2s also helps the LT1 DI engine's problem with oil consumption.
@@meatybtz Its really kinda crappy. A manufacturer whos been building v 8's for more years than I've been alive is still having an issue like this pop up. I held off in 18 because it was common on the 5.0. I didn't see much on the internet in early 19. So, I thought Ford may have addressed the issue. About 2 weeks after I bought mine. I started seeing it pop up on the internet. Ive heard all kinds of reasons for it. But nobody seems to know for sure. Thinner rings, some kind of coating on the cylinders. Those are the 2 most common reasons I've heard.
@@johnbessemer3777 Yep, same excuse GM used for the LS2s, and later LS engines that consumed oil excessively. Low friction rings and skirts.. My own LS2 eats oil, since there are no drips underneath.. it eats about 2Qts per oil change. I put a catch can on and caught some of it. But that is a retrofitting for piss poor engineering. They kept coming up with excuses until GM finally issued a TSB stating that because the excessive oil consumption only occurred over 3K rpm.. the engine is fine, just don't drive it over 3K RPM. No problem detected, operating as expected. Now, 14 years later.. Ford doing the SAME thing. Here is the thing. The LSXs and LS's that are rebuilt and honed with a torque-plate and with OEM aftermarket rings..... Don't consume the oil. My theory for the LS's with issues and the Coyote 5.0 for Ford is that they cylinders are not round. That plus low friction rings = oil blow by.
I DIY'd a solution to the 1 to 1.5 quart per 5000 mile oil consumption on my old 2012 MGT. GT500 PCV valve solved most of it and a catch can on the passenger side dealt with the rest.
I had this TSB done on my 18 F150 at about 16,000 miles. It was using about 3 quarts in 6000 miles, I kept it topped off though. I now have a bit over 34,000 miles and it uses maybe one quart in that same interval. To me that's acceptable.
@@firstlast--- One quart. I marked the dipstick at the 7 and 8 quart levels(it calls for 8.8 but I just use 9) and the oil level will be down to the 8 quart mark after 6000 miles.
@@hdz12ez A quart after 6,000 miles is respectable I would consider that normal for any vehicle. You got lucky I'm sure the PCM update definitely helps but it seems like a bandaid to the real problem, a lot of Ford's these days need to be maintained meticulously if you want them to last
i was at the dealer in early 2020 looking at the f150 with the 5.0 going to order one, i'm glad i stopped to do further research before buying one, they are way to $$$ to not last . i heard that they quit using sleeves on the cylinder walls for some kind of plasma coating and oil can slip past the piston rings , in addition the 10 speed auto seems to be less than good on reliability and those electronic parking breaks dont seem like as good as the old school cable ones, oh yea and what are they thinking (besides cheaper) with a plastic oil pan that's stupid.
I noticed they switched to 5w-20 motor oil, where just a couple years before 5w-30 was the standard. Could that have contributed to more consumption? For work I drive an ‘18 F-250 with the 6.2L and doesn’t use any oil in 3k miles. Ours are mostly city driven miles and the maintenance division hasn’t changed their change interval on any of the newer trucks…
I have a 2011 with the 5.0 in it that I bought new. It has 102,000 miles on it now and it has consumed roughly 1 quart of oil every 1000 miles since it was brand new. I have never seen smoke come out of the tailpipe and it doesn’t leak a drop. I have always run conventional oil and it gets changed every 5000 miles. I did try running synthetic oil in it one time which caused the consumption rate to increase drastically so I had to drain it out and put conventional oil back in it so that I didn’t blow the fucking engine up. 😐
Question. I have a 2018 5.0 I have not noticed anything but truck only has 6 thousand miles I don’t use this truck hardly at all . I’m a master tech my self and after hearing you explain what the reprogram does is that something covered by my warranty I might be out now due to time not sure and how would I get them to just preform this tab with out a hassle the ford dealership here is not helpful at all if I had access I just do it lol
250K and my 4.6L has never burned any noticeable oil between oil changes and my 6 speed transmission shifts like a dream. You'd think the engineers would just improve what works not try to reinvent and screw things up.
Oh, one question regarding the 19 5.0 150. Can I disengage the adaptive learning on the trans? Will a dealer do that? This thing doesn't shift well, at all. Yet, if I disconnect the battery. Or, when I had this TSB done. The trans shifted beautifully until it started to try and figure out my driving again.
Thanks. You're at Dundee, right? If you guys can, I may just make an appointment there. Either way, thanks a lot for everything you do. Much appreciated.
It takes several (50/60) miles for the trans to adapt to your driving style. If there's still an issue, take it back to the dealer and let them sort it out.....
Does the dealer change the oil, mark the dipstick and then have the truck driven an additional 1000 miles to check for useage prior to performing the tsb?
Some will but if you come in and it's low a lot of times guys are like you know what we're not even going to chance this, we're just going to go ahead and do the program and update everything without inconveniencing the customer anymore and then they changed your oil and stuff for you especially if you've been getting Services there they already know your service history so there's no reason to go into extensive tracking
I have a question that’s unrelated. I have a 2016 Ford Fusion SE and I was wondering if I can use valvoline maxlife ATF. It’s mercon LV compatible. Do I have to use motor craft transmission fluid?
Amsoil also makes a LV type trans fluid. They also make a DCT fluid for the fiesta and focus line that's half the price of the Ford branded fluid. Imho, both are an improvement since both shift now as if a shift kit has been installed.
@@CCscott They pass too much dirt, if there oiled(the ones you clean) they mess up MAFs etc. due to oil. The list of negatives is too long. Stock filters on all equipment is best.
K&N filers dust the engines over time if used without a pre filter mounted upstream and lower than the unit itself. All depends on the level of filtration needed. In my experience, they should be left dirty since they actually at that point filter better.
Took a look at one a couple days ago that had the issue, little blue smoke came out on startup and out of curiosity recorded the engine data and hooked up an old school vac gauge, It did have some odd characteristics in the vacuum but thats as far as I went since ford already had a repair out.
hey appreciate that look into the software ppl use to do all that cool stuff to the computers is that kind of thing available to consumers or just dealers
G.M. thoroughly tested their 3.6 and 4.2 lineups since 2003. Ford had the 3.5/3.6 Ecoboost engines dragged through hell and back from 2007-2012 upon release
Less than 2% of cars sold in the US are electric. There are no charging stations. They are few and far between even in cities. Currently China makes all the batteries for all electric cars as well as produce the raw materials for said batteries. Manufacturing the batteries produces more pollution than the cars will ever offset so really, what are they trying to save? Modern cars and even modern diesel engines burn cleaner than ever.
Ouch, they need to work on a better fix. I did have a chat with a buddy and he said one fix he used on his personal truck was a thicker oil. I haven't had a truck to play with to confirm it yet.
Heres my opinion this motor uses Heli arc cylinder walls which are extremely hard coupled with paper thin piston rings for a low friction motor for fuel economy it just has a hard time sealing up.Thats why they put a bandaid on it with the TSB to try and cut down on blow by that gets sucked in the PVC system and burned.
Hello, do you have enough data to know whether the TSB (reprogramming) actually solved the oil consumption issue and whether it introduced new problems ? Changing the range on the dipstick is not a solution.
As I've said in previous comments no I don't have enough data I've only been a couple of weeks and I never seen the vehicles come back with the same problem
Plastic oil pan? Come on Ford. I swear the next truck I buy is going on the lift first so can have a good look at what my money is getting me. Never going to buy a truck with a plastic oil pan that's for sure.
I bought a 2003 Toyota sequoia 2 years ago. Brought a flashlight with me and in the dealer lot I got on the ground and rolled under it slid all over to look at everything. I already did a lot of research online ahead of time for key things to check. But I looked at as much as I could and still took it to a Toyota specialist for a full inspection when I bought it, he said for an almost 20 year old vehicle with 200k+ miles it was in great shape
I work a ford dealer and I just did one of these oil consumption on an f150 and it said in the TSB if the build date I think was before Oct 19 to replace the dipstick. Is that true?
Yes if it's built before October 4th 2019 you replace a dipstick and then you drain the engine oil and put a new filter on it and then reprogram the PCM because during the fuel shut off of Vince the throttle plate was staying closed so with the new PCM strategy they actually open the throttle plate so it doesn't pull so much vacuum on the PCV system and it can pull Fresh Air instead of through the PCV system
@@FordBossMe Isn't cool fresh air bad for the catalytic converter?
I have ALWAYS felt that the Coyote had high vacuum oil consumption potential. My suspicions were that why the 2012 used more oil, over my current 2014, is because of the manual trans and spending more time on the overrun in gear and thus, highest possible vacuum. The auto is just upshifting out of that, all the time.
@@FordBossMe back in the day the old boys would drill a small hole in the choke butter fly just so that it wouldn't not run so rich when cold , but doesn't that TB have to be open for idle 650 rpm , or does it completely close during deceleration ? which doesn't make sense ,FORD BOSS ME will us know it that worked.
@@josephlam3607 oiling down the cats is even worse, if it's sucking oil in the cylinders.
I love the dipstick scam….make the low level indication even lower so it appears that the oil is not being consumed as rapidly. Genius!
It could also be a way for them to actually gauge what's in the system at a lower level to see how much consumption is actually going on beyond what the stick has to show
Yeah. Next, if people complain about fuel consumption, they'll reprogram the PCM to keep it from dropping the fuel gauge so quickly.
@@josephwash109 They'll make the Fuel gauge go a full 360 so i looks like its REALLY good on gas lol.
@@josephwash109 They already have "programed" the fuel gauge, it's not a linear travel. It will stay above 3/4 longer than it should to give better satisfaction. Then it moves from 3/4 to 1/4 faster than it should. Then it hangs at 1/4tank until the 50 mile fuel warning to not cause panic.
All mind games from the manufacturer, don't assume Ford is the only one doing it! 🤔
@@FordBossMe The add to full on the new dipstick is now a 2qt range instead of the normal 1qt.
That oil coming out was clean he was taking care of it.
To avoid the oil mess, use aluminum foil to cover sway. You can quickly shape the foil to direct the oil where you want.
Had this done to my rig. Not one drop burned in 5k oil change. Thanks for the explanation!
Coming soon to a Ford near you. No dipsticks.
Well they have no transmission dipstick anymore so the engine dipstick will probably be next
Great video, lots of good info. Thanks, but I'll just save my money and keep running my 03 Grand Marquis with 363,000 miles(+10,000 idle hours), even if it burns off 1 quart of oil every 2,400 miles. If I paid $50,000-$70,000 for a new truck, it better be perfect.
Gotta be great for the cats.
'15 f250 6.2. Tsb for valve cover replacement. (Bad factory baffle) Cost cover,16 spark plugs 2 o2 sensors and 2 cats. Experience priceless
Man I’m loving your channel. I was a Ford/Lincoln/Mercury drivability tech through the 90’s -2002. I currently have a 16 and 21 f150 with a coyote and constantly check my oil level. Now I have an understanding of what the reflash did for that issue. Why can’t the internet experts understand there’s a big picture when it comes to repairing some issues
Thanks brother
I think we understand what the big picture is for Ford. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
@@godzilla7148 they are in business to take make money yes.
Do you remember SBDS?
@@alb12345672 I do remember along with the NGS and WDS. SBDS was one heck of a diagnostic tool in its day. Earned me a lot of cash
This is why you always check your oil once a month, or more often so your motor doesn’t go boom.
I was always told after every fill up at the gas station I check mine once a week but I don't own a Ford lol
Once a month for other vehicles. Once a day for a ford.
MrJohnnyDistortion, I drive about 200miles a week or use a tank of diesel per week, I always put extra oil in her so I’m not always super stressed about it.
@@michaelbenoit248
I would not put extra oil in the crankcase. Research why.
We have a 2018 and always turn the start stop off. We bought the truck used and I just did the first oil change on it and it still had the right amount of oil in it even after we had driven it down to the 15% of oil life left mark on the computer.
I also like how everybody online shows these trucks dumping oil all over the place when they change the oil. I just used a large pair of needle nose pliers to turn the plug until it was loose then pulled it out slow and held the plug while it drained. Yeah it sucked holding the plug but was better then oil everywhere.
There’s an argument that letting it drain slowly doesn’t get anything that’s settled in the pan out. Then again that’s what the filter is for so not sure who’s right.
Had that done on mine a year ago. It didn't help,so I got rid of it. Truck also seemed like it idled ruff after.
Thank you! Sent this information to associates who drive this type of F150.
The oversights that happens when building these sophisticated cars is pretty normal sadly. I’m a tech at Honda and the biggest recall we got going on at the moment are the recalls on the fuel pumps that have a potential to malfunction and has affected almost every new Honda/Acura from 2019 and up, it’s crazy
I'm friends with the engineer that designed the dipstick, it's actually quite amazing.
When you are sleeping, microscopic engine rebuilders come out of the new dipstick and add Nikasil to the bore and that closes up the ring gap.
This in turn reduces blow-by and stops oil consumption.
It's new technology called nano-rebuild and is currently in the infant stages of being approved by the national institute of weights and measures, the Wu Han Lab and the CDC.
Science is paving the way for engines that last forever, one dipstick at a time.
LOL
Generally, I keep issues with my dipstick private.
And anyone who believes this BS is the next generation of Dip stick...!!!
Had this done to mine, 2018 5.0. It was burning a quart every 1k miles, now it is down to the lower region of the new dipstick at my 5k oil change. So it slowed it down but didn't cure it completely. Mine has over 80K now, had it done at 70k. And I agree about the plastic oil drain plug. I got a Ronin drain plug, it is pricey but it helps with the mess tremendously.
I got that plug also. It has a nipple to attach a small hose to so it runs strait in drain pan. But now I'm reading a lot of stuff about magnets. And I got to thinking maybe I should buy a plug that has a magnet tip on it.
Cool. I’ll have to check and see if the TSB was done on my truck, I bought it used.
It's worth noting the Ford owners manual says to wait at least 15 minutes before you check your oil.
That's 15 minutes after letting it get up to operating temp and shutting it off, btw.
Ford stopped putting owners manuals in their vehicles. If you want one, you have to buy it or download it.
@@solarfall2728 my 2020 F150 has a printed owners manual
@@Wowzers2006 yup same here..
@@solarfall2728 I've always got an owners manual.
Dodge just recalled half million trucks because the owners manual was unsafe! 🤔🤯🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️😂
www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2021/05/28/ram-trucks-recalled-over-wheel-separation-concerns/5250615001/
Changing the dip stick is like putting lipstick on a pig.
Good info, mine was down a little at 4850 miles now i gotta wait and see if my truck is drinking oil
Boy that oil drain out of the plastic oil pan. Say's "Ford doesn't have a better idea!"
I use the UPR drain plug in my 2018 mustang. Doesn't leak like the factory one. And it's metal with a.finger hole
Thanks for showing the oil change with the plastic pan. I was wondering if you guys had a trick to it to limit the mess. Guess not, good to know
you could loosen the sway bar and swing it out of the way.
I had a Honda tech busting my chops because I worked at A Ford dealer. He said I should go work at Honda, they do gravy work all day. He said their recall and service bulletin book was a pamphlet. The Ford book was like War and Peace. I told him I like the challenge. Hence the nickname Crazy Eddie. I guess I have Ford Blue running through my veins.
And then you look at Chevy service bulletin list and recall list it's huge
Its a 2 quart range vs 1 quart range on the original
You know what you're right in this video I had to do a voiceover and the other video that I have on my other Channel that I don't use anymore it does have I specify it adds the court to it
Now that's top notch engineering.
Back to the 70's and early 80's when Detroit built garbage and didn't care. They think going all electric will save them. People will simply stop buying these unreliable and over priced vehicles. I know I will keep driving my older cars instead.
Old car truck ect prices are gonn go sky high, then some BS cash for clunkers program will come out and people will scrap perfectly good cars or cars with 500 dollars needed for like 250 bucks.
I agree. I wonder how many 2010 Obamamobiles (CFC tradeups) are still on the road.
@@beezertwelvewashingbeard8703 a lot more than they would like to admit. I've heard the stories a lot of stuff got resold lol
I agree. I fix and repair any and all on my Ford truck. People laugh when I spend money on repairs. The cost of a new truck like mine, 2009 F150 XLT with a 4.6 V8 with heavy duty haul and towing is outrageous and then to find out they are oil hogs. I only buy new and I don't know if I will ever buy new again with oil and transmission issues like todays trucks and cars.
@@hec9664 same here 2007 Chevy. It's basically the work truck package with a 5-3 and it's four-wheel drive it's exactly the way that I would have it and I don't know if I could ever find a truck like it again I'll drive it into the ground I will do all the repairs that I can personally
From what told by a ford FSE was the recall addressed a high vacuum situation on deceleration. It would pull oil from the valve stem seals and the rings. The elect T/B would not close all the way. After the reflash
Yeah I was reading it was saying the reflash just keeps the throttle body open
Buying a Toyota tundra
Well you're going to lose oil even faster than 1 quart of oil every Thousand Miles have fun
@@FordBossMe 3ur engines aren't known for burning oil. It's actually a super reliable engine the biggest problem is the older ones have cam tower leaks which is a big job otherwise they are rock solid
I run my 3.7 a half quart low.. if not it ends up in the pvc tube feeding the throttle body. Been doing that last 250k miles. Over 317k now on it. No problems. 2017 transit. T250
My 2018 had this issue, along with MANY other issues.
I’ll keep my 2014 never burned oil , never any trouble and still looks new. They can keep their 70,000 - 80,000 trucks that they forgot how to build without problems.
I run my own shop independently from Ford but Ford sends me stuff all the time I like everything that you post especially because it keeps me very current on a lot of the stuff that I do thank you very much
Well thank you brother
@@FordBossMe how do you bulletproof gas motors
@@charlespaluha1247 Buy a Honda.
@@solarfall2728 buy a LS tear it apart build it right install it with a Holley Terminator x they make almost any kit to do anything you can put them in a BMW a Ford a Mercedes a Honda in some cases they make kits of adapters to do everything it just costs a lot of money
I have a 2.7 F150 but have the same problem with the oil drain plug located in close proximity to the sway bar. Before every oil change, I always snag a gallon jug of milk before the wife throws it in the trash. I cut some of it off making a crude funnel.
With one hand on the jug and the other twisting the plug, I gently twist and most of the oil splashes into the funnel/jug and then down to the pan. Not a fool proof system and some oil does end up on the driveway, but that's what kitty litter is for.
Interesting vid! The 5.0 Coyote was pretty dang good until Ford made it GDI in '18. Glad my personal F150 5.0 is a '16 model naturally aspirated and non GDI. I'm curious what battery maintainer do you use during programming? I am in the market for one. Thanks. -Glen
I’ve done several of these. Seems like a bandaid but I’ve yet to have any of them come back for oil consumption. Had one come back for phasers, though.
No problems so far with my 2017 f150 5.0
What I do with the plastic plug is pull it out slowly and hold it to control the flow then when it’s slowing down just pull it all the way out. Less mess
It's hit or miss. Some say this actually fixed the issue and a some say it didn't make a difference at all. I have an early 2018 that I put catch can on the pcv valve side and truck doesn't consume any oil and the catch can usually just has condensation in it. My truck has never had this TSB done to it.
I've got this on my 19 f150 with the coyote engine. Do I just take it to the dealer and tell them it's consuming to much oil or tell them I want this tsb done?
All I done to solve this issue is got a pcv valve oil separator its an aftermarket part they make them for alot of vehicles with oil consumption problems. Ever since I installed it I have not used a drop. Just check your pcv valve and you will find oil being sucked into the intake manifold.
I own a 2020 F150 with the 2.7. Have you seen or heard any major issues with them? I currently have mine tuned.
If you cut a 2 litre coke bottle of similar in half you can place it over the drain plug to direct the flow of oil into the dirty oil pan saves lots of cleaning up
I forgot to say but cut the bottle length ways
Any info on possible way to disable adaptive shift on '19 F150? Mine gets reset every oil change because it shifts like dog shit after about 2k miles of "learning" and starts to damn near lock up rear end erratically.
Lemme guess even before i watch the video. Bad oil rings, valve seals, and or vacuum issues, of some sort ?
Thanks for reminding me why my last two purchases were Toyota & Lexus. LOL I still have an 03 F150 tho, one of the good 5.4's.
All the 5.4 are good I'd you keep to the oil change intervals
may be an external breather on the valve cover would work all most like a PCV delete kit from LMR
I have a ‘19 STX 5.0 and burns about 2 quarts every 1000 miles. Has an engine rattle on acceleration like marbles are being tossed around especially on an incline. Had my IWE and front half shaft replaced through warranty and wasn’t even the issue. Still rattles on both decel and accel. Said they can’t replicate the sound. I made the sound as I pulled out of the parking lot! I think this truck needs some brick therapy and a good swim. 50k miles on it.
Unfortunately the only way to stop that oil consumption is by replacing the engine and sometimes very rarely it's valve seals but every single one that I've seen and done it has been because of the block design, it's a plasma Arc line block with low tension Rings which is a recipe for disaster
I have the same problem
Similar to the Honda v6. Lots of people put a resistor on the ect to eliminate eco mode.
Whatup AB this is that issue that i was talking about with the f150 5.0 engines 2020's ! Im hoping its not an issue like the Hyundai engines as my engine was replaced!! Keep us posted and thank you again!!
So the problem is the PCM strategy whenever it goes to downshift it closes the throttle Blade with the old programming so it doesn't have anywhere for the cylinders that are being deactivated to get air from so it pulls vacuum on the crankcase system what ends up happening is with the new programming they actually open the throttle blade up allowing it to suck fresh air into the motor and not pull vacuum on the crankcase system eliminating all of the oil pull through
@@FordBossMe ok got it. I think i heard something different from anothettech who warned against buying a 2015-2020 coyote f150 because of something to do with the valves or piston walls? But ill def keep an eye out on my oil levels. I just bought the oil and filters for oil changes between dealer oil change visits!! Thx
I always had to put an extra 1/2 quart on the mustang coyote 5.0s and the camaro ss because the dipsticks would read low right after I changed the oil.
Filling the filter probably
My 2018 F 150 5.0 was made august 2018. Has never consumed oil. I put a catch can on it at 9,500 miles. Now it has 21,500 miles. The most dissatisfying thing about the truck is the deceleration rattle & the 10 speed transmission everything else is awesome. Great on the highway sucks to drive around town.
A lot of people complain about the 10-speed transmission hunting gears dropping gear suddenly into other ones when it doesn't need to Ford doesn't have a fix for it
I've heard the rattle being two things the throttle body and the phasers
Hava a few things to say...
I've read all the way to the bottom of the comments, and what everyone needs to realize is that there isn't one manufacturer that doesn't have some sort of issues with their vehicles. Tundra you say? Look up leaking camplate on the 5.7 or turbo waste gate on the new 3.5. GM with AFM or DFM, what about collapsed lifters huh? Honda? Check out the Ridgeline piston slap. No surprise Ford has issues. So please, stop slagging and learn a bit. Look and listen for congruency in what you read and hear.
(Keep up the good work Rich)
The EPA has put huge pressure on burning gasoline and diesel. Engineers are constantly jumping through hoops to keep their internal combustion engines efficient. I think we are seeing the end game and have "just about" reached the finish of how efficient burning hydrocarbons can be.
Lastly, and this is just my suggestion... Want to avoid the cam chain rattle and other undue tranny nosies from your F150 5.0? Learn to understand it and predict. It's a truck, not a Cadillac or Crown Vic. Be sensitive to the shift points and look ahead while driving, don't be spastic with your accelerator and braking. I know how to avoid the cam chain rattle, do you?
BUT! whatever happens to your beloved trucks everyone... enjoy them! Around the corner waits a nice quiet battery operated wheelchair for you.
Rich. One of my local Ford parts managers has told me that Motorcraft Full Synthetic has been discontinued. T of F?
I would like to see the stats that will never be released from Ford on the percent of 5.0s that have had short or tall/long block replacements.
We still get Motorcraft full synthetic new weekly
For the dipstick I crack the plug loose enough to hold oil but enough to flick it off with my finger and I lift the drain bucket high enough to touch the sway bar and haven’t made a single mess
I never make a mess on the ground just all over the back of the trans cooler and the sway bar and it's nothing to clean it up it's just stupid how they did it and I'm glad on the 2021 models they went back to metal pans and no longer make a mess underneath and the drain Port is on the side of the pan instead of the back
I have had and love Ford trucks. They are too complicated. They are bad ass and do amazing things....they also ride rough and the tech they use gets the best of them in longevity .
I have a 2020 f150 . In between oil changes (going by computer) it will be at the very bottom of the stick, barely on it
@John Stone maybe normal for these vehicles! I have a 16 year 9ld Toyota v8 with a quarter million miles on it that won't move a bit on the stick in the 6000 mile oil changes I give it. The Form it's works so I go by oil life monitor and take it to 0, but I think the miles were between 6000-7500 between changes for it.
Thanks for the excellent information. Is there a TSB for similar issue in the mustang 5.0? Thanks
Not that I remember but I can look tomorrow
I cut an old window wash fluid bottle and zip tie it to the sway bar to keep the oil from going all over.
same here for the 2015 mustang GT , a one quart soda bottle cut the big end off and put against the oil filter and let the oil drain out the small end in to the drain pan . good idea for the drain bolt . AL YORK .
i'm curious, is the oil change from 0W-20 to 5W-20? would 5W-30 be too much for these engines? the longer dipstick would NOT satisfy me because any vehicle i drive either company or personal, i keep the oil level at full mark no matter if 1/2 to 1qt low. what the difference in the oil filter? idle air solenoid? a friend of mine had just bought a 2020 F150 with 70,000miles so i will forward this video.
You can't beat some good blow by. Helps lubricate your muffler bearings.
I bought the ronin oil drain plug to prevent the oil spray
I wish Ford would get it together.... I’m by no means an expert but this is ridiculous. They need to actual “engineers” and higher standards of quality assurance.
they definitely seem to be plummeting in quality trying to sink to GM levels i guess , thats why i changed my mind about an f150 back in early 2020
Most all of the problems are a result of the manufacturer trying to meet government regulations. Ethanol blending with gasoline and the start/stop engine feature are my pet peeves.
They're firing all the engineers to become a tech company.
@Scotty secretly loves Chryslers
But don't forget the higher price tags!
Had this done on mine (19 5.0 f 150). Still consumes oil. Not quite as much, but still does. Put a catch can on. I get about 4 oz every 3k miles. Dont know if thats all just from blow by, or vacuum. Not really happy with it. My old 4.6 didn't consume a drop with 250k on that motor.
Kind of funny to see oil consumption rise again and again in cars. Folks forget about how cyclic it is. Ye-Olde LS2 had oil consumption problems above 3K rpm. The GM solution? Car should not be driven over 3K RPM. The LS2 being a high performance engine.. 3k.. basically it was a total BS punt of an engineering failure. Which is what is happening here really. A catch can should help. Helps the LS2s also helps the LT1 DI engine's problem with oil consumption.
@@meatybtz
Its really kinda crappy. A manufacturer whos been building v 8's for more years than I've been alive is still having an issue like this pop up.
I held off in 18 because it was common on the 5.0. I didn't see much on the internet in early 19. So, I thought Ford may have addressed the issue. About 2 weeks after I bought mine. I started seeing it pop up on the internet.
Ive heard all kinds of reasons for it. But nobody seems to know for sure. Thinner rings, some kind of coating on the cylinders. Those are the 2 most common reasons I've heard.
@@johnbessemer3777 Yep, same excuse GM used for the LS2s, and later LS engines that consumed oil excessively. Low friction rings and skirts.. My own LS2 eats oil, since there are no drips underneath.. it eats about 2Qts per oil change. I put a catch can on and caught some of it. But that is a retrofitting for piss poor engineering. They kept coming up with excuses until GM finally issued a TSB stating that because the excessive oil consumption only occurred over 3K rpm.. the engine is fine, just don't drive it over 3K RPM. No problem detected, operating as expected. Now, 14 years later.. Ford doing the SAME thing.
Here is the thing. The LSXs and LS's that are rebuilt and honed with a torque-plate and with OEM aftermarket rings..... Don't consume the oil. My theory for the LS's with issues and the Coyote 5.0 for Ford is that they cylinders are not round. That plus low friction rings = oil blow by.
That's why I take a piece of cardboard to direct the flow of the oil you're draining out
Or engineers can stop fuc#ing technicians!! Geez, they have been making v8 engines for 100 years and now some idiot trys to reinvent gravity!!
I DIY'd a solution to the 1 to 1.5 quart per 5000 mile oil consumption on my old 2012 MGT. GT500 PCV valve solved most of it and a catch can on the passenger side dealt with the rest.
I performed many of those tsb this fixed all but one .. not to sure that was just the customer
I had this TSB done on my 18 F150 at about 16,000 miles. It was using about 3 quarts in 6000 miles, I kept it topped off though. I now have a bit over 34,000 miles and it uses maybe one quart in that same interval. To me that's acceptable.
Exactly
Does it use one quart or two? The new dipstick has a range of 2 quarts
@@firstlast--- One quart. I marked the dipstick at the 7 and 8 quart levels(it calls for 8.8 but I just use 9) and the oil level will be down to the 8 quart mark after 6000 miles.
@@hdz12ez A quart after 6,000 miles is respectable I would consider that normal for any vehicle. You got lucky I'm sure the PCM update definitely helps but it seems like a bandaid to the real problem, a lot of Ford's these days need to be maintained meticulously if you want them to last
@@firstlast--- Agreed 100%
i was at the dealer in early 2020 looking at the f150 with the 5.0 going to order one, i'm glad i stopped to do further research before buying one, they are way to $$$ to not last . i heard that they quit using sleeves on the cylinder walls for some kind of plasma coating and oil can slip past the piston rings , in addition the 10 speed auto seems to be less than good on reliability and those electronic parking breaks dont seem like as good as the old school cable ones, oh yea and what are they thinking (besides cheaper) with a plastic oil pan that's stupid.
I noticed they switched to 5w-20 motor oil, where just a couple years before 5w-30 was the standard. Could that have contributed to more consumption? For work I drive an ‘18 F-250 with the 6.2L and doesn’t use any oil in 3k miles. Ours are mostly city driven miles and the maintenance division hasn’t changed their change interval on any of the newer trucks…
They always flop back and forth....you can use either or
They change to help meet epa fuel standards
Deceleration Fuel Shut Off. I think it has sth to do with when your coasting, off throttle where the injectors shut off.
I have a 2011 with the 5.0 in it that I bought new. It has 102,000 miles on it now and it has consumed roughly 1 quart of oil every 1000 miles since it was brand new. I have never seen smoke come out of the tailpipe and it doesn’t leak a drop. I have always run conventional oil and it gets changed every 5000 miles. I did try running synthetic oil in it one time which caused the consumption rate to increase drastically so I had to drain it out and put conventional oil back in it so that I didn’t blow the fucking engine up. 😐
Question. I have a 2018 5.0 I have not noticed anything but truck only has 6 thousand miles I don’t use this truck hardly at all . I’m a master tech my self and after hearing you explain what the reprogram does is that something covered by my warranty I might be out now due to time not sure and how would I get them to just preform this tab with out a hassle the ford dealership here is not helpful at all if I had access I just do it lol
250K and my 4.6L has never burned any noticeable oil between oil changes and my 6 speed transmission shifts like a dream. You'd think the engineers would just improve what works not try to reinvent and screw things up.
Oh, one question regarding the 19 5.0 150. Can I disengage the adaptive learning on the trans? Will a dealer do that? This thing doesn't shift well, at all. Yet, if I disconnect the battery. Or, when I had this TSB done. The trans shifted beautifully until it started to try and figure out my driving again.
I would have to hook up to 1 and see what's available in the computer and tomorrow I will ask my trans guy so if you remember please remind me
Thanks. You're at Dundee, right? If you guys can, I may just make an appointment there. Either way, thanks a lot for everything you do. Much appreciated.
Yeah let me see what's available and I will definitely see when you can get it in
@@FordBossMe n
It takes several (50/60) miles for the trans to adapt to your driving style. If there's still an issue, take it back to the dealer and let them sort it out.....
Noticed the K&N sticker on the air filter housing, heard they were bad for the throttle body because of the oil in the filter. True/false?
Could be true yes
You think after market tunes fix it ?
This was just on the 5.0 in the trucks correct? Last I heard it had not affected the 3.5’s
Only on the 5.0
not sure if u said it or not but I think this is only for the 5.0 engine right? Also are you having trouble with IDS my company I work at is
It said he missed most of the time it's okay
Does the dealer change the oil, mark the dipstick and then
have the truck driven an additional 1000 miles to check for useage prior to performing the tsb?
Some will but if you come in and it's low a lot of times guys are like you know what we're not even going to chance this, we're just going to go ahead and do the program and update everything without inconveniencing the customer anymore and then they changed your oil and stuff for you especially if you've been getting Services there they already know your service history so there's no reason to go into extensive tracking
Great fckn design, they can’t even make a simple oil change not messy.
Fumoto is developing a plug to replace the plastic ones.
That special tool is called a shop rag. Clean that mess.
Quite a fix. Stays in the range now.
Most people will never know the difference. All they understand is branding and marketing.
I have a question that’s unrelated. I have a 2016 Ford Fusion SE and I was wondering if I can use valvoline maxlife ATF. It’s mercon LV compatible. Do I have to use motor craft transmission fluid?
Valvoline maxlife is perfectly acceptable probably exceeds the ford stuff actually
Awesome thank you so much
Amsoil also makes a LV type trans fluid. They also make a DCT fluid for the fiesta and focus line that's half the price of the Ford branded fluid. Imho, both are an improvement since both shift now as if a shift kit has been installed.
I have a 2019 5.0. It consumes oil like crazy. Just replaced PVC and installed oil catch can…..we’ll see.
Great video. Do you know if this issued was resolved in the 2021 F150s with the 5.0 liter V8 engines?
Yes
@@FordBossMe So what did they do to fix it in the 21's?
Don't these new 5.0s have cylinder deactivation? If so, what are your thoughts on how ford designed the deactivation system?
Hate it
@@FordBossMe designed poorly? Oil consumption?
How much did that service cost you I need to do the same thing to mine please respond
Possibly recommend "FIRE THE K&N in the bush!
Why’s that?
@@CCscott They pass too much dirt, if there oiled(the ones you clean) they mess up MAFs etc. due to oil. The list of negatives is too long. Stock filters on all equipment is best.
@@Rotaris1 your right especially on a truck that might see dirt roads with heavy dust I have been anti k&n for a long time.
@@Rotaris1 I used a K&N on my ‘89 Bronco and hated cleaning it but it seemed to work. Never used one since. I’d love to have that truck back!
K&N filers dust the engines over time if used without a pre filter mounted upstream and lower than the unit itself. All depends on the level of filtration needed. In my experience, they should be left dirty since they actually at that point filter better.
So on my 2020 f150 5.0 my ford company is telling me I need this done to my truck so does this really work to keep it from using oil
Some yes some no
This is what my dealer did. But when I get oil change, 8 qts brings full on dipstick
Not enough oil in it just get a longer dipstick... lmao 🤣
Took a look at one a couple days ago that had the issue, little blue smoke came out on startup and out of curiosity recorded the engine data and hooked up an old school vac gauge, It did have some odd characteristics in the vacuum but thats as far as I went since ford already had a repair out.
hey appreciate that look into the software ppl use to do all that cool stuff to the computers is that kind of thing available to consumers or just dealers
Just dealers or guys that pay for the operating software and their license through Ford
@@FordBossMe not cheap
That's interesting.
Wow how Ford has gone down since the 90s....
Doesn't Ford test the engines in prototypes before they mass produce them?
It's not the engine. It was the rest of it. Computer technology is not working properly
@@aaronarcher2356 sounds like an engineers response.
@@zachattack83 I have worked on every brand. Hate them all. Pick your poison
G.M. thoroughly tested their 3.6 and 4.2 lineups since 2003. Ford had the 3.5/3.6 Ecoboost engines dragged through hell and back from 2007-2012 upon release
@@gtzgreatride I have a GM 4.2 that is 14 years old. Never had any problems with that engine. Never even changed the spark plugs.
Are you starting to work on electric motors now since that's the direction ford seems to be heading?
Less than 2% of cars sold in the US are electric. There are no charging stations. They are few and far between even in cities. Currently China makes all the batteries for all electric cars as well as produce the raw materials for said batteries. Manufacturing the batteries produces more pollution than the cars will ever offset so really, what are they trying to save? Modern cars and even modern diesel engines burn cleaner than ever.
Got 2018 f150 with 34xxx that has this TSB and 2 motors replaced and it still burns oil this doesn't work
Ouch, they need to work on a better fix. I did have a chat with a buddy and he said one fix he used on his personal truck was a thicker oil. I haven't had a truck to play with to confirm it yet.
Heres my opinion this motor uses Heli arc cylinder walls which are extremely hard coupled with paper thin piston rings for a low friction motor for fuel economy it just has a hard time sealing up.Thats why they put a bandaid on it with the TSB to try and cut down on blow by that gets sucked in the PVC system and burned.
@@chuckdarwin6887 ya ive heard of f150 owners running 5w30 like some of the mustang owners do
Hello, do you have enough data to know whether the TSB (reprogramming) actually solved the oil consumption issue and whether it introduced new problems ?
Changing the range on the dipstick is not a solution.
As I've said in previous comments no I don't have enough data I've only been a couple of weeks and I never seen the vehicles come back with the same problem
@@FordBossMe thank you, sorry I did not go through all the comments before posting.
Plastic oil pan? Come on Ford.
I swear the next truck I buy is going on the lift first so can have a good look at what my money is getting me. Never going to buy a truck with a plastic oil pan that's for sure.
I bought a 2003 Toyota sequoia 2 years ago. Brought a flashlight with me and in the dealer lot I got on the ground and rolled under it slid all over to look at everything. I already did a lot of research online ahead of time for key things to check. But I looked at as much as I could and still took it to a Toyota specialist for a full inspection when I bought it, he said for an almost 20 year old vehicle with 200k+ miles it was in great shape
My 2021 5.0 has a metal oil pan & metal plug as does my son's 2021, I guess they seen the error of their ways.