World of Warships- Wargaming Just Released The Most Insane Ship Of The Year (U-4501)
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- čas přidán 11. 10. 2023
- The U-4501, both useful as a submarine and autobahn commuter
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Soon we’ll have a submarine that travels faster than a torpedo
The ship will just be the torpedo…
It will have the Halloween event ram protection consumable😁@@theelderkine
Like these irl human torpedoes? 😅
I got her today for 250k coal , she is mine 79th T10 , I wont play it if I dont need it , I got her and I will get gato on xmas , just because WG give somtimes tasks with subs that need to be done , so yeah I have her but I wont play her .
Nakhimov torps go 41 knots, so we're close
Edit: British CV torps are slower than this thing
Another reason to play mid tier, the more BS Wg introduced in tier 10 the more I find myself playing only tier 5-7
Enjoy all the double/triple sub games plus usually at least one CV. It's not better at the lower/mid tiers. No super s**t at least.
@@snikch241 what do you prefer? A Tier 6 CV and some subs at worst OR super CV, superships that immune to citadel, a bunch of Hybrid BB, radar cruisers, radar DD and subs on top of that. To each their own
@@faynk.6247 I dunno to be honest your asking me do I like to get kicked in the nuts or the face. It's a hard choice.
Tier 9-10 is just a nightmare most of the time aside from the rare CV/Sub-less Games but even then the long-range HE spam Radar Cruisers still get in there so theirs's almost no escaping from the BS.
t9 brawl :)
For anyone interested, the U-4501 was a historical design, the Type XXVI U-boat. The IRL stats were 11 knots surfaced and 24-26 knots underwater, the latter being achieved with a Walter hydrogen peroxide gas turbine.
Yeah, 37 knots is just a smidge faster than 24.
Design but never made
WG need to Balance this 24 knots is way too slow!
I picked her up too Mountbatten. She definitely plays completely differently than other submarines. The standard trick of either staying on the surface or at PD and pinging perpendicular to the target doesn't really work. She's too slow and as you said, any time you turn, you bleed speed like a stuck pig. I've found that if you execute attack runs like a BF-109 or FW-190 attacking a concentration of Flying Fortresses she's a very dangerous ship. Perhaps a better analogy is you almost have to play her like the YOLO Emilo. If you choose the right Captain skills you can get her underwater endurance to 4:47 seconds, which helps.
And, before anyone start ragging on a sub player.. Yes, I hate myself too. :)
Lol
U 4501 cant shotgun BB bro it aint OP, using the ship requires skills and undersranding the mechanics.
With these sub speeds they may as well be invisible torpedo bombers.
Any faster than 15 knots, the water flow noise across the sonar array would blind the sub.
Radar and hydro dont work through islands either, but here we are
@@iron8586 Ships didn't have Romulan cloaking devices either.
@@Neneset Well, a lot of smoke generating devices are exceptionnally good at seas since many benefit from a humid environment.
There are great pictures of planes using tanks of TiCl4 to draw "curtains" of smoke in the Pacific during WW2. And you certainly heard of the Bismark and how it used smoke.
Well, just let me tell you that's the kind of smoke that will kill you if you breathe too much of it and will rust your shit for sure !
Cant remember which Italian BB the Germans hunted and tried to sink but it too used a very nasty chemical smoke.
If we're talking "for real", then ships would also know the sub's course and speed after 3 consecutive pings.
It's really small -- except apparently it has a torpedo room that can store well over 100 torpedoes in it.
yes, let's change how the whole game works and make ammunition limited, great take
@@Hugh-sg9jsKinda like CVs with unlimited planes that have no limitations on how far they can fly? Plane range being one of the major factors for carriers in any combat scenario.
@@edwardbailey7911 this game isnt meant to be realistic, stop comparing it to real life. I have never seen a game where the community complains this much, the new u-boat is shit, i sunk a couple U-4501's already. If you dont like the game just quit
@@Hugh-sg9js Quit? I would just be joining the majority.
@@edwardbailey7911then join the majority.
Why stay with something that's only causing you pain?
So, it can outrun many of the destroyers that try to chase it down, spamming torps at the DD as it vainly tries to get into depth charge range for some 4 minutes before it runs out of battery power. Good luck DD.
So basically a destroyer is a fishing boat and a sub is a fishing boat destroyer
Yes. Yesterday i tried to fight back. this submare with benson and oland. He sub was able to troll benson. But with oland i fought well but only becouse both times had speed boost ready.
It can't spot surface ship underwater.
This the Gato and super ships is why I mostly play tier V - VII and am no longer interested in anymore premium ships. WOWs might be too clever by half because I suspect there is a growing population of like-minded players
This one seems easily counterable. If its underwater, sure you have to count with that speed, but it seems like your everyday t6 sub moved to t10 outfitted with better torps.
I have it and I’m a shit sub player but it’s so strong that even I have incredible games in it. It’s literally impossible to depth charge by dds and it’s so fast that it outruns saw planes it’s an insane boat.
I’ve got it and the best way I’ve found to play it is to really exploit the speed to get in and get out quick. Spend most of your time at 30m depth, bait with the front torps, turn and ping sonar, wait for DCS, dump the rear tubes and reping sonar, heal and charge for the next attack run.
Has anyone wondered why WOWs doesn’t have as much cyclones/ storms anymore?
That was fun to just be in a DD and dropping in on a BB or being in a BB & catching a CA or CL broadside to you.
Good video! Thanks 👍
hey bro mine only goes 36 nots top....what do i need to make it go 37 nots?
Everyone spends there coal now. And has none left for Smolensk B in the auction for coal good choices
The main problem that i had is closing the distance while not being detected by enemy underwater search
So im trying to drive accros the entire map and sit in enemy spawn
Hoping for someone to chase me
However radar, planes or no team to spot for you REALLY hurts your performance
it souund interesting indeed, dunno if i will take it still, i prefer the i 56 XD. also by looking at it torp set up it seem made to go near front line, fire nose torp then U turn to us the 2 back launcher an run away full speed underwater
I found that building into battery time was very beneficial. Also enlarged propeller is huge.
nah that 21 knots surface/periscope speed aint gonna get much from that enlarged prop
Speaking of Submarines.. You can now unlock the alternative color schemes for "all japanese submarines", doing the Heroic Clash Collection. They surely won't add a IJN Sub line, will they? :D
Japanese submarines with 5 or 6 torpedo jetplanes plus 3 minute radar!😆
Damage wise I wouldnt say it is busted
It becomes very weak if it doesnt have a team spotting for it.
The main issue is that periscope speed is 20 knots, thus pinging or spotting is very dangerous
Just when I was considering re-entering the game I see this and it's a hard no on coming back to Wows
Is it premium or freemium on eu server . Because for now it sells for 50000 gold
That’s faster underwater than current nuclear powered submarines
Biggest problem are probably the acceleration phases when you have dived
If you start to flood this ship barely tanks any damage from it. That’s one thing I noticed.
I dev struck a u4501 with gearing torps yesterday ha.
Make it even harder to gauge drops on depth charges
As a Legends player I'm scared for my future 💀
One of these took out my T10 BB is less than two minutes. Never saw it. I'm getting more and more T10 level games where the subs and DDs are at least half the ships in any match. Will we get to the point where World of Warships is basically DDs, subs and CVs? Seems to be the trend.
Just like the real world, large capital ships are getting obsolete
@@wote2760Agree but unlike the real world, DD's subs, etc. get unlimited torps and planes. BB's wouldn't be so obsolete in the game if it wasn't for that.
BBs are ONLY good for NGFS. (Naval Gun Fire Support aka Shore Bombardment)
@@wote2760 they were obsolete for 40 years now (at least)
Can't wait for the midget sub and PT treeline
That is as fast as a nuclear attack sub
Actually faster
Now they're missing Republique turrets and a plane.
Just bought her myself!
It is by far the most difficult sub to master. I changed skills on my captain around 6-7 times as I was switching play styles until I got to were I can deal a lot of dmg.
What build did you go with?
@@derekjohn7535... i was writing 15 minutes and my answer got deleted .. wtf
If the subs are going faster then we need to improve the speeds of some tier X DD's and remove the shotgun capabilities of the subs.
When they first introduced subs in testing I tried them twice, struggled a lot, haven’t touched them since. I might pick it up purely on historical merit, so if they then Smolensk it, then I’ll still have it and can take it into training rooms or coop
There is nothing historical about this ship, homing Torps where limited and underwater speed boat is totally bs
Sea Lord do we know when the USS Maine is getting added to tech trees? I haven't been able to find any info, been saving up credits for it!
Wonder when subs will be part of ranked and clan battles
HelzBelz_2022 here, I have a 60%+ win rate in Ranked and between 50% to 60% win rate in Randoms depending on the week with match making. And that is with Subs.
No this this sub is broken in all honesty. Yes I agree with the low HP pool, having the heal only work on the surface, the slow speed on the surface. However the Sub itself is broken because all it has is straight line speed. If you are diving you can be going 20 kt and then drop to 12 kt while you are diving. The time it takes you to turn is totally broken. You cannot maneuver at all around the maps with small Islands in this sub where as the other subs you can. It is terribly designed for how tier 10 battles are and you have so many weaknesses that you have to play the first few minutes of the game NOT playing the game.
So yesterday I played many matches with this sub. If I went and got into the fight when everyone starts to fire at each other, 9 times out of 10 I had gotten killed so fast with charges. However when I held back for a good 3 minutes or so while everyone was fighting each other I was able to come in and do a lot of damage. I had 3 or 4 matches where I was doing 70K+ damage my best was around 91K damage 13 hits 2 10K floods.
I was also able to kill several overly aggressive subs who while I was hanging back I was able to deal with them quickly.
Maybe that was the design of this sub which was to sit back and let people come to you. However If you have to wait 3 to 4 minutes from the time the engagement starts your team can be very quickly destroyed.
How they need to fix this ship is fix the maneuverability. I shouldnt be dropping 8 kt when I dive, I should not be going from 36 kt under water to 25kt when turning NO joke this is a smaller ship not a big BB. The turn Radius should be cut down drastically. Its a small ship that should be very maneuverable. However its like an under water battleship with no armor or hp.
Lets also add in here if you turn under water you go from 36 kt down to 20 kt. Yea this sub is totally fucked the way it is with maneuverability. It is not worth the coal.
This has the same surface speed of undine
I Want a bag of what they're smoking.
Whats hapening here is ships arnt just getting power crept their getting speed crept 38kt ship speed is slow 80kt torp speed is slow
We should have nucular powerd ships with misiles at this rate.
I am not really a big sub captain but she is fun.
So this seems like the Paolo Emilio of subs?
Its fair enough for Hindi, Venezia....no planes for subs and not enough speed to caught them especially Hindi... keep going WG with Subs..
Wait for I-400 and Surcouf. Both of them carried multiple aircraft, capable of bombing.
soon there will only be cvs dds and subs in a team
A qwestion , periscope depth is concidered underwater???
No, periscope depth uses your surface speed.
Ok thank you i need to know
I do not have a problem if a player plays a sub, I have a problem when 2 sub bots are played by wargaming!! I also have dropped in tier to avoid them as much as possible!! In a perfect world you should be able to have a choice if you want to play with subs or not!!
Average 7 min game but you can be under water for 4 mins, that's still a lot of underwater game time, given surface to charge, you are under water 5 1/2 mins per 7 min game
wait this shit has fucking heal? no wonder all encounters with it survived for that long i was like, oi why is not flooding/burning to dead? it was like 2k hp left and he still flooding what is goin on
I like this sub. It’s a new challenge for the silent service fan
I picked this one up for coal, and its not bad. I prefer the play styles of the Gato and the S189 myself with the long range unguided torps, as i believe that a subs job is to see and not be seen. Pinging with homing torps usually give you away before you want to be seen.
Well if you can aim the torps well enough you do not NEED the Ping, the torps will hit the target regardless. The only time you NEED the ping is Sub V Sub Combat or maybe fighting Destroyers less your a cheeky submariner and bait them into drifting into your torpedoes.
USS Nautilus when?
Nice now they can one shot my BB even faster how plesant
They did I-56 dirty.
I want it
All subs are busted - simply thanks to invisibility and DD-like torp possibilities. In balanced game you cannot have both but clearly for WG unbalanced gameplay is not an issue.
The few times I saw (or watched footage of) the Testers sailing her in Randoms, they died swiftly. It was the same with the RN subs during Test. Much like the RN subs, you’ll be able to get performance out of them with effort and guile. But there are better subs.
Try a division of them, lethal
WG needs to give all ships, including DDs, ASW airstrike.
I'd rather dds get sub surveillance and for hydro to detect subs better
why cant this thing launch planes?
What kind of nuclear engineering has done
German space magic
@@sealordmountbatten lmao
Any ship "In the Right Hands" is terrifying to deal with. I like the CZcamsrs that complain about submarines but dont think anything about playing BBs with 100k plus HP and multiple heals that delete ships (shotgunning) from across the map with shells that deal more damage than a torp ever could.
By definition, sniping from across the map is not shotgunning.
@@BlackHearthguarddid you seriously expected sub-player don't be poitato in real life? LOL
Ship Missiles are around the corner lol
Finally a sub dds can destroy
what? maybe dont suck?
If you can catch it....
balanced
I WANT IT!!!
Tbh, although im a BB player on console, id like to see Subs added, only for the reason that im a Sub vet irl. I think itd be neat, and i wouldnt have to start over playing on PC.
play pc. it feels like a better game to me
As a BB player, you will absolutely hate subs. When one targets you, you will be dead soon. unless you are lucky or they are really bad at playing sub. You can't fight what you can't see.
@texasforever7887 that's the beauty of it. If subs become playable on console, I'll probably become a sub main. I don't want to be part of the problem, I wanna be the WHOLE PROBLEM! >:D
How to get it cheaper would be good
For me, T9 and T10 are dead since superships and finally the Gato had been released. Thus, this new bullshit is just the aftermath..
Ofc subs need to be op and nuts and hell so all potatoes can have a good time in it.......
Are modern-day submarines capable of these speeds underwater
yes but exact numbers are secrret
The Soviet-era Alpha class was thought to be capable of a maximim speed of 76kmh submerged - but at anywhere near that speed it would be making so much noise you could drop a tin can attached to a string over the side and hear it coming from miles away....
Not all subs can mach this speed. Only nuclear.
the lead time you need for arial depth charge for subs is already hard enough, now you have dd speeds underwater? so stupid.
How can a sub be way way more fast submerged compared to than on the surface, did that honestly exist in real life? cuz it sounds silly
That's true - faster submerged than surfaced due to hydrodynamic effects. Never actually completed but the design speeds were 20kmh surfaced and 44 kmh submerged.
And the vast majority of modern subs are way faster submerged than surfaced.
Yes. Modern subs are faster underwater, becouse of propusion and hydrodinamic.
Good thing about subs - they will always spawn on the same side as the friendly sub.
how I deal with them?
Just turn away from the flank where the friendly sub is. Done fighting subs in this game...
And then the friendly sub DIES and oh look now you have no idea where the enemy sub is.
@@jaywerner8415 Oh did I forget to mention, almost always friendly sub somehow yolos into the enemy team and dies right on the start? :D
Yeah, there is a reason why i am no longer even bothered by it.
True, enemy sub will stay alive, will harass later but at least i can enjoy first part of the match sub free...
@@jaywerner8415 If the firendly sub is a good player, he will spot the enemy subs for the rest of the team to airstrike and depth charge. Yes, I know teamwork is rare, but it does happen sometimes.
@@LoanwordEggcorn That is true, and that is what i tend to do. After all, best way to Detect a Submarine is a Enemy Submarine, so may as well KILL THEM FIRST.
Of course this does require teammate to be nearby to use said DC planes but their is usually at least 1.
Thanks for the tip. But what if there is two subs
Weegee is totally pissing in our cheerios with this tragedy. As if subs weren't already a cancer in the game we now have this.
More people will be leaving the game. The slow death march of this game continues.
I was expecting the space battleship Yamato and you give me this?😁
You got the futuristic OP space submarine from Star trek! Lol capable of light speed under water turns in a galactic solar second and had ray gun homing torpedos traveling at light speed! Lol
Why do we have subs that have DD speed underwater and torps that travel at the speed of light? Consider that the average WoWs match lasts no more than 5 or so mins and the distance from spawn to firing position, the average player will lose interest in said subs.
Since subs have been introduced...the EU servers alone have lost 600k players....less active players right now then at launch...
It’s not the most insane ship. It will be the most bitched about ship. It goes 20 knots above water. Its torp range is 10km.
So, a type XXI/Foxtrot class submarine now in the game
I wonder what the ratio of players killed by this sub (or any BS T10 sub) who stay vs perma-quit is.
SeaLord, look...I gathered enough steel to by my first steal ship. I am watching your chanel, listen to you and follow you. The question is ...which ship should I get. Incomparable, Mecklenburg or Bourgogne...or any one else. Please give me your advise. Thank you.
I cant wait to get my hands on this boat. Looks like so much fun.
Try to not ping. It's often not needed, and gives away your position. You do not need to ping homing torpedoes. It's entirely optional.
So it's kind of the Yolo Emilio of subs, but with diving instead of smoke.
They got the history very wrong. First half 20th Century subs should be much slower underwater than at the surface. Modern submarines are faster underwater than at the surface, but that's not the time period of the game.
So she only has HOMING Torps, is SLOW on the Surface, and while VERY SMALL also has a Small HP POOL and Air Supply. But that UNDERWATER SPEED! Seems like a very Balanced Sub all things considered. Sure she's faster underwater but you can only be down their for so long.
Seems like the Panicle of the German Submarine Line, Meant to be played underwater for long periods, has grate homing torps (not like she has other options), BUT her air supply is bit on the low side as a trade off for her grate speed.
Foirst!@!
Nice starts of the vid: I was already wondering how fast it was under water... Holy Hell.
And here I was wondering if I should use my 360k Coal for the submarine or use it on a Marceau instead... I guess I might go for this gimmick... and Marceau after.
No. Seriously. No. Come on. Even 21-century nuclear-powered subs don't go that fast. I mean, WHAT is WG thinking?
*looks at Georgia*
I think the realistic speeds went out the window a long time ago
@@sealordmountbatten sure, but even Georgia doesn't have a top speed that's 400% higher than in the real world...
There are 2 kinds of broken that look "balanced".
The ones that are just dumb derpers. (The KV2s of the games.) These are just annoying. Not really in terms of balancing i.e. winrate, but they just have no fun counterplay. It's just luck.
Then there are the difficult but OP things. These are things that are difficult to master (and until that point, quite shit) but once you mastered it, they are super op and have no real counterplay.
Think "modern fighter jet", none of us would even manage to take off. But once you are a fighter pilot, you have not much to fear from the ground soldiers.
Okay so this is like a 1969 - 1970s sub. However they abandoned it cause of the noise the biggest thing was the noise of the water going by. It increased together with the ship's speed, and when 35 knots (65 km/h; 40 mph) was exceeded, it was like the noise of a jet aircraft. ... In the control room was not heard simply the roar of an aircraft, but the thunder of "the engine room of a diesel locomotive". Those present believed that the noise level to be greater than 100 decibels.[6]
WGimg gave us a futuristic OP space submarine from Star trek! Lol capable of light speed under water turns in a galactic solar second and has OP ray gun homing torpedos traveling at light speed! In a 1940s based warship sim ! Way to go WG, further ruining the game !
I will consider her to get, I was anticipating coal sub to be released after Gato release.
I got Gato in 1st day and it is no way broken.
No shotgunning by me. Well, I have finished Ohio once in Convoy mode but that done with U-190 for 30K salvo, by closing in, but rather from enemy bow.
Most subs run underwater relatively slowly, so maneuver to get optimal position is pretty hard, but this can make fast concealed close in to be useable tactics, kind of Paolo. But torp damage is not there to cripple healthy target.
U4501 seems to get some good use of Lutjens as spotting is natural but not well manageable thing.
Wargaming be releasing the most hated ship class in the game
I have this SUB and i must say u can do fun things with it esp3cially against CVs but its not OP speed is ok underwater but its limited due to air.. and very vulnarable on surface despite lowest conceal 5.4km
Smallhp pool makes this sub play carefull silent hunter but the heal allowes to patch up bruises on those times when u replenish air supply
Overall i give this 7.5/10 not the best
Gato still holds nr1 spot. 😢
What do I think? Choose a less click bait title and reserve this title for true insane ships. Shoulda used a goofy ship instead of insane.
I mean 38kt underwater is pretty insane
@@sealordmountbatten it's a disagreement of opinions.
I watch all your vids and I like them. This one made me feel underwhelmed.
As an avid sub player, I will not pursue this sub. It has way too many issues. And quite honestly, it's being way overhyped, which is not a surprise. Why was there no mention of sub on sub fight often often now subs are working In unison with ships to spot other subs as well as to take them down. Much like the DD on DD in Cap situations, no way can this defend itself against another sub, not to mention Low health pool,low maneuverabilit, low damage per Torp.
Just All around port sub. However, i'm sure people will watch the Video's about this sub and go out and spend hard earned cash or a coal. Also I wonder if these videos are just to gin up the anti sub crowd and get a reaction alike. A click a comment. It's not really a threat.
I think SeaLord is pretty fair about Subs. Earlier this year, he encouraged his viewers, even the sub-haters, to play them to learn how to counter them. That's what I did (actually, I was down on the game at the time, and it felt good to play in the alternate reality of subs for a while); and it's still a valid point, to know thine enemy. Yeah, he didn't cover sub-on-sub action here. I got the U-4501 and it does suffer in that context. I was up against a U-2501 and he just owned me b/c his detection consumable is 9km vs. my 6km. Plus, U-2501 has way more fwd-facing torps and can go at you, whereas U-4501 is back-heavy on the torps. A Balao or a Gato is way more of a concern for surface ships than this thing. U-4501 is highly situational.
@jeffreylewis8019 I agree with you, and he is very fair. I really enjoy the content and support his channel. Thank you for your reply
Despite of it being a complete BS. I think this is a Sub that every sub should be. A low HP high risk high reward ship.
I saved alot of money by uninstalling lol
in WWII, subs could go 6-9 knots underwater. WG broke them by design. I think hurt gameplay too. Having to deal with a slow underwater speed would make sub play a lot more challenging, with a higher pucker factor (in addition to being at least somewhere within the realm of feasability. Just stop pretending you care about actual designs, and just make it an arcade)