Sony FX6 Vs Canon C70
Vložit
- čas přidán 25. 02. 2021
- A detailed comparison of the video footage quality of the Canon Cinema EOS C70 and the Sony Cinema Line FX6 video cameras. Is there a clear winner?
════════════════════════
🅾 𝙄𝙉 𝙏𝙃𝙄𝙎 𝙑𝙄𝘿𝙀𝙊
Canon C70: bhpho.to/2Jpxfhb
Sony FX6: bhpho.to/3qY1wUB
Sigma Cine Lenses: bhpho.to/3bFhPPN
Josh's Channel: / joshbenbernales
════════════════════════
🅾 𝙁𝙄𝙇𝙈𝙈𝘼𝙆𝙄𝙉𝙂 𝙏𝙊𝙊𝙇𝙎
Professional Cinema Training: canonmasterclass.com
R5 Cinema LUTs: gum.co/r5lut
C70 Cinema LUTs: gum.co/c70lut
C200 Cinema LUTs: gum.co/c200lut
Other LUTs & Looks: crimsonengine.com/tools
Sound Tracks: bit.ly/2lD3Sbu
Stock Footage: bit.ly/3jB5Zbv
════════════════════════
🅾 𝙍𝙐𝘽𝙄𝘿𝙄𝙐𝙈'𝙎 𝙎𝙀𝙏𝙐𝙋
Main Camera: geni.us/cHRlEAo
B-Cam: geni.us/fAgbee
A-Cam Lens: geni.us/w59h
Memory Cards: geni.us/K1TEKPz
Wireless Video: geni.us/Sutjt
Wireless Monitor: geni.us/DzHHm
Tripod: geni.us/t8mZ57Y
Key Light: geni.us/c22sBzn
Backlight: geni.us/KqEC7I
Computer: geni.us/ltveUkO
RAM: geni.us/AgyUkGe
RAID Storage: geni.us/hFXK
Adobe Premiere Pro: geni.us/Mde35u
DaVinci Resolve Studio: geni.us/TOKisPw
Everything Else: kit.co/CrimsonEngine
════════════════════════
🅾 𝘾𝙊𝙉𝙉𝙀𝘾𝙏 𝙒𝙄𝙏𝙃 𝙐𝙎
Subscribe: czcams.com/users/crimsonengine...
Insta: / crimson_engine
Book: / crimsonengine
Tweet: / crimsonengine
Web: crimsonengine.com
════════════════════════
🅾 𝘾𝙍𝙄𝙈𝙎𝙊𝙉 𝙀𝙉𝙂𝙄𝙉𝙀
Canon Masterclass - Krátké a kreslené filmy
I messed up the captions. All the titles say FX9 but its all FX6 footage. Sorry!
It great that it now depends on your preference
If 6 were 9...
@@MojaveMysteries 69
I am curious. Why is the Panasonic S1H always left out from all these tests. I want to see it go head to head with Full Frame cinema cameras like Canon c500 mark II and Sony FX9
It’s not a cinema camera. Like the r5 and A7, it’s a mirrorless that shoots video.
That auto ND is a game changer.
After having owned both of these cameras for some two months, I can confess that I ended up parting ways with the Canon. This was not an easy decision as I have an extensive collection of both EF and RF glass... which at this point will likely be used on my Red Komodo... whenever it finally ships.
Pros for the Canon:
DGO sensor -this offers a slight advantage in some shooting conditions. It’s a very close call.
Stealthiness - you can take it places where the FX6 would not be allowed.
Pros for the Sony:
Full frame sensor
Removable monitor (always worried about the C70 flip screen becoming wonky)
EVNDs
SDI
Raw output
Magnesium build with only the side covers being plastic.
Best in class Autofocus
Best lowlight of any camera... bar none
Excellent built in microphone (top handle)
Multi-shoe interface
Adjustable handgrip with zoom rocker.
Full size XLR inputs
I cannot stress how revolutionary the EVNDs on the Sony are. Shooters can set their aperture and shutter angle without worry. Even as lighting conditions change you can keep rolling, as the EVND seamlessly takes care of the exposure. EVND also allow you to do cool effects like DOF focus pulls... impossible on other cameras.
Once you have a chance to use both for an extended periods of time you will understand that these two cameras are actually in a different class.
Should Sony actually releases the WDR update that will likely tip the dynamic range advantage to the FX6.
After two months of owning both, I found the Canon was mostly collecting dust.
Maybe that EVND will make its way into the next A7SIV or FX3 mk2, that would be an instant buy
Wow that's pretty comprehensive
Fantastic. I've been waiting for someone to do this. Only deep comparisons online so far have been in Korean!
Great video Rubidium. I do like the point that the image captured by both cameras is actually quite similar, where as the equivalent Canon / Sony models from say 5-6 years ago had a more defined difference in look. Especially remarkable given that Canon is one of the few manufactures not using Sony processors. Also really good point about cooler / warmer lens options that can even more closely match or differentiate the images. Also nice that it wasn't a "this brand is better than that brand" type presentation. I imagine that the skill of the operator may be a larger variable than the brand one is using.
why does it keep saying FX9?
Once again, a voice of reason amidst the hysteria... Nice comparison.
Josh is the freakin man! Such a good dude!
I like your spin on a Vermont accent. This was really informative. The ONLY reason I would think about the SONY is if it had much better quality footage. It doesn't. I'm very happy with the C70 and all it's advantages... except the variable ND. That is a really sweet option but not nearly enough to make me have any regrets. To the contrary.
How’s the sharpness, does the full frame sensor of the FX6 result in a sharper image over the c70?
As someone who has owned every Mac and build fully custom hardline WC PC builds, trust me when I tell you once you get past not having the bubbly interface that pretends to work well, the right hardware communicates far better with PC.
As a perfect example, MacBooks bottleneck themselves when they become hot. Not many people know this and it largely attributed to the sluggishness everyone experiences. Even in higher end Mac products, the hitches on the operating system are just nonexistent with a solidly built PC.
Very informative video thanks 🙏
Liked your comment about the experience with the system is very important. People fight too much about cameras.
I am a freelance cinematographer and director based in and around NYC but often come up through VT. Let me know if you ever need help with one of your videos or want to go shoot something outside! Love your videos!
Hey Crimson thnx for your honest opinion. That the two pictures would be so close i didnt expect (with the focal reducer). What really would be nice to have imo is the variable ND. No more adjusting footage for exposure sounds pretty good to me. also low light nice for weddings and so, although the C70 is no slouch, i think FX6 will be even better. Dynamic range is pretty much the same i think, both outstanding. 6K is a lot of money but still very good value for money i guess, amazing times to be a video person :P
do you see any proper workaround for not having sdi on the c70 if I want to use sdi?
Great video, Both cameras are amazing!
Nice advice at the end. Stick with what you have spent tons of time learning. Thanks for sharing Rubidium.
Cheers Griffin! Big fan of your channel
Hi :) Do you think we could access the source file of the tests. It would be amazing to compare :)
Good balanced and honest information. Thank you. I was curious what you would say as we know you shoot Canon. Of course you’re supper honest. I’m switching from Canon to Sony. Letting go of most of my EF lenses and going full frame Sony. I chose the FX6 for the variable ND. Full size XLR, full dynamic range in all frame rates. ALL-I in 120fps 4K. Better lowlight. Better auto focus in low light. Great handle to hold the camera. Perfect match to a7s3. Oh and the canon with the speedbooster you autofocus only covers 60% of the frame. This was a big issue for me. I shoot s lot of interviews and being in tight spaces I want to shoot them at 1.4 to try and get something of a soft background. I need autofocus and that 60% area would be problematic for framing interviews with lots of negative space. So yah. Sony lenses are taking a little be of getting used to! My two cents if it helps anyone out there.
ty for your reply, sort of in the same position with 2 EF lenses (24-70 and 70-200 both 2.8) but still leaning towards the Sony. That great variable ND and low light preformance is pretty killer i think. Also bigger area of AF is something that might be very benefical. C70 still very good camera and i feel blessed that we have these wonderful choices. Happy shooting guys (and girls!) :)
Oh yeah! Both are great. I didn’t write it but my plan was to get the C70 &C300. I wanted to stay canon. but when the FX6 came out and the colours where solid it just didn’t make sense. The a7siii competes with the c300mk3 except that you need an external recorder for raw. But beats it in low light and full frame aesthetics. So for the same price of these two canon cameras I’ve gotten the a7siii, the FX6 and 24-105, 16-35, 70-200, 200-600, 90macro and 35 1.4 from Sony. Same price as the two canon bodies. I love those bodies ( I don’t like the canon handles) but love everything. What I’ll miss the most is having False colour within the camera. I don’t have my FX6 yet but from what I understand it doesn’t have it. Which sucks. By far my favourite way to judge exposure, essential for lighting faces. I’m ranting no? Anyway. Both are great I guess I’m just sharing my thinking and process. My friends laugh at me at how much I consider camera features. My wife and I have a running gag. I tell everyday a new camera is announced:))
@@JeanMarcAbela :))))) keep the good work up my man. Just have fun and the rest will come. thanx for your great reply, think Sony is just a bit more solid overall, Maybe false colors will be added by firmware, maybe not. anyway we are blessed with these great camea's being available so we can make great content. As soon as u have such a camera u wont be looking aaymore because switcheing at that point will have significant drawbacks in learning and stuff imo. gonna go to bed now, happy shooting! :)
It’s not a perfect match to the A7S3... even with the S-Cinetone update that Sony provided. Granted, only the people behind the camera would notice the difference. The FX6 has a more refined image. Even though both cameras use the same sensor and image processors. Clearly the FX6 can squeeze more out of those processors... perhaps this is why it needed the massive heatsink and fan?
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 Great point. I wanted 2 FX6s, but there are some clear advantages to the a7S: amazing viewfinder, stabilized sensor, touch AE available anytime, much better white balance software, overall better menu. and the form factor can be an advantage at times. Gimbals being an obvious one. I think those are the big lines. So from what I've seen online, there is a slight colour shift and also better denoting at the high iso. So its very similar to what I'm used to right now with my GH5 and GH5s. I think I'll program that colour shift within the a7s3 or do it post and that should do it. I'll use the 2 together 95% of the time for 2 camera interview setup which is a big part of my work. So these are most of the time in controlled situations so I can manage the differences quite well.. Its not perfect and perhaps I'll end up getting a 2nd FX6 down the road.. and then I'll want the a71. It never ends. Anyway, the GH5s where solid 10bit images for along time, had great use of them for many years. I'm so happy to go to true full frame with 10bit up to 120P and 13 useable stops. The gear is just amazing right now.
I felt it when you said there aren’t many people to collaborate with. I’m in western ma, just over the border from ya. It’s tough out here.
How do you feel about the lack of an EVF on both cameras? I do have an external monitor, but have grown up on the Panasonic GH3/4/4R/5/5S etc. and have optimised my shooting with an EVF. I now look at the cinema line, as I’ve moved more and more into corporate work, and I can see the FX9 has one and the C300 does not... these two don’t have one... so it looks like the FX9 offers a lot to me... but is huge in comparison to what I’m used to working with. Would also love to use my V mounts, as I have four, even though this will make for a larger rig... it seems a good use for them when they’re not being used to power my lights, which is rare, and also prevents the need to invest in batteries, but the expansions cost a fortune! 😂 The A7S III seems to have everything but internal NDs... and I think I value internal NDs over IBIS... and realise you can’t really make a camera that has both... does the lack of an EVF bother you at all, or do you have one for your C500, so it makes very little difference to you?
Why would you put a speed booster on one?
I love the C70
what about throwing a Zcam in the mix? are those even comparable?
Josh FTW!
One small thing... on the comparison shots you labeled the Sony footage as FX-9 instead of FX-6
Typo. Sorry. It’s the fx6
I hope no one takes this the wrong way but does Crimson’s audio always sound over processed? (vocals)
Hello Rubidium, if you would have to decide to buy a Canon C200 or a Sony FX6 - what would be your choice today in 2021?
I would say fx6. C200 is 8-bit unless you go raw. Plus Sony has variable ND, better low light (c70 is better then c200) and full frame and better autofocus.
Unless price is there issue, there’s zero reason not to get the FX6. PS: I owned the C200 for more than two years... and also owned the C70 and FX6... which I still own. I have more on my channel if you are curious.
The C200 is now quite an old sensor in the 2021 (and it wasn't that hot back at release either), definitely I'd go for the FX6 on basically every single point of comparison.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 c70 or fx6 ?!
Thanks for the video!
It’s a little bit confusing with the FX9 graphic for everything! I do the odd typo but with no mention in the description and barely seeing the camera on screen I started to be unusable of which camera you were talking about!
You found the c70 and their speedbooster is wider field of view than the FX6? I didn’t find that myself.
I wish there was my show in the video than tell. It would have helped a lot.
Anyway thanks.
P
Thanks Philip! I respect the feedback and this is definitely a topic I’d like to revisit when we have more time and less restrictive shooting circumstances. I’m keen to test color rendition and rolling shutter, as well as post some files people can download and compare themselves.
Legend is here! Philip you are awesome. Watch my film?
Canon needs to work on improving autofocus on darker skin. That was the deal breaker for me.
Yeah one CZcamsr showed that, if the C70 showed 2 stops or more underexposed, it wouldn’t focus properly. But I don’t have this issue with my R6, so it seems it depends on which camera.
@@xkben90 yea the R6 and R5 have shown to have a better autofocusing system then the c70. Someone even side their 1DX MKiii was a bit better
@@d.edwardsfreelanceeditorvi4212 Yeah ive been able to get reliable autofocus even at 3-4 stops underexposed with the R6. Sounds like the C70 struggling with under exposure is a C70 issue, not a Canon issue.
question: what camera are you using when talking to camera? that's what i want to know, haha.
Quite a lot of people have been complaining about the autofocus performance of the c70 online. There are some CZcams autofocus tests showing some issues that people are having. I have never used a c70, but I am interested in one. What would you make of these auto focus issues? Is the autofocus of the c70 worse than the c300 mark iii or c200? Also, I read from many places that the fx3 lacks internal nd, am I misinformed?
The only time I've had autofocus issues with the c70 is when the thing I'm trying to focus on is very underexposed, below 20 IRE. The FX3 lacks ND, but the fx6 has it.
in low light the af is terrible and ifeellike it doesnt stick well. it has a mind of its own
@@RayValdezPhotography FX6 is an all-around better camera for low-light and eye autofocus also works better in low-light than face autofocus. Maybe Canon can add eye autofocus to C70.
@@robertm3951 i dont know if eye af is great for video. face should be good enough usually. thats not my issue.
@@RayValdezPhotography My point is that eye AF works better in low light. Eyes reflect light better than skin. In good light I would prefer face-only autofocus.
Ì have the fx6 since one week and it is all new for me 😂 but it is for sure a great 🎥
Thanks for the video as both these cameras interest me. Off topic, can you let your KIWI mate know that one of the Australian viewers suggested he was way off-side. LOL - Cheers.
LOL, is this a cricket joke? I’m confused 😄
@@JoshBenBernales - Rugby. :)
Sony glass owner here and mad about it (lol) because the C70 has a much more filmic/organic image
I’m not sure I’d agree. I think it’s more down to the color grade. I can get a very organic footage from either camera. I did a comparison on my channel vs the A7S3... I also planned one against the FX6, but I had issues with Danvinci Resolve not rendering, so put it on the back burner.
You can check it out here: czcams.com/video/qoUb0XqMhEk/video.html
I'd say tone down the sharpness(level) on the FX6 to -7 and test that out and see if it helps. Noticed someone did this to their FX6 and gave them that filmic feel to it.
from almost all videos I saw, on Utube, the fx6 is a bit sharper .
@01:45 hang on ... what ??? mistake there?
I dont think its wider field of view than the full frame fx6
Were all the shots that were labelled with „fx9“ actually the fx6?
Yeah. Attention to detail isn't my strength
@@Crimsonengine😂 thanks!
How does the Fx3 alter this balance? Can it be compared with these 2 monsters?
the fx3 is an a7s iii. most of the debate is why to get it. the top handle to me is the biggest difference.
@@RayValdezPhotography My problem with the top-handle is that a weatherproof camera comes with a top-handle that is not weatherproof. I hope Sony sells a version with no top-handle.
@@robertm3951 With weather sealing you can't use external audio (or anything external) in any camera!!
I did a c70 vs A7S3 (basically FX3) video. You can view it here:
czcams.com/video/qoUb0XqMhEk/video.html
I played around with both of the cameras on davinci resolve and I actually prefer the c70, I feel like the DGO sensor produces a more organic image
For sure. I think it comes down to personal preference. Some people LOVE the Red but I can't handle how dead it makes skin look.
I owed both of these cameras for about two months... you need more than a quick play to master grading the footage. Imo both can produce a very organic image. It really comes down to putting in the time to become familiar. Once you do that grading is pretty quick with either camera.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 witch one did you end up keeping in the end and why ?
Both copying the Arri. That’s a great point.
Now with c70 latest update, it has eye AF hehe
🙌❤️🔥
You forgot to mention that the speedboster with the Canon makes reduce the af coverage of around 60% and that the rolling shutter of the sony is way better than the C70 with DGO active.
Also the low noise performance of the two cameras are similar till 5000 iso, not that much higher as you mentioned. I used to like your channel but please let's be a bit more objective, the only reason why to go with the Canon is the more stealthy form factor that is also easier to set on a gimball and the fact that the audio inputs are built in the body (shame on Sony for that).
I know it's not relevant here, and my apologies in advance, but I can't help but notice you've got a pretty cool Henry Rollins vibe going on.
True that
You're in 603? How far up?
Not 603, 802. Vermont the Anti-New Hampshire :)
@@Crimsonengine you’re right! My bad! I’m in north west MA.
Aaaand.... RED KOMODO for me.
I would really like to see a red Komodo review. 16 bit raw!!
This won’t be bias.........let’s see what you have to say.....haha ;) just giving you crap, always enjoy your videos man :)
Nice talking but show some examples.
I owned both for two months. My channel has changed a bit . But I’m going to put together a video comparing the two which I shut before changing to my new format. You can see a comparison between the c70 and the A7S3 which I did before receiving my FX6 also.
Show more footage instead of your head man. Your video are always like that and it's very annoying.
For the love of God, please add some COLOR in your sample footage. Why is this just a bunch of dudes wearing GRAY t-shirts on a largely GRAY background? If you're going to take the route of showing footage via youtube, and you don't even offer files for download, at least make it worthwhile for us, by adding LOTS OF COLORS in your shots.
I've been reading your comments here and there. I must say, you became my reference for analysing the colour rendering of different sensors.
@@guidoserrano2629 thank you! :)
Sony FX6 wins
Hmmmm.... Let me guess who wins this one without even watching...
its a tie
@@Crimsonengine All Right, you win, I watched it. LOL!!
Respectfully, you need to shoot with the FX6 some more. No one that spends quality time with both comes away with that opinion. After two months of owning both, guess which one I still own? I’ll give you a hint... it rhymes with Sony:-)
For Documentaries C70 all the way.
Making a PC vs Mac metaphor is just ridiculous and laughable. Lucky your knowledge about cameras are a slightly better.
hi! can you explain why do you think the C70 is better suited for documentaries? I'm in the fence right now, I can't decide between the FX6 and the C70. I prefer the image of the C70 for what I saw but the VND and the full size xlr's + amazing AF from the FX6 are great advantages too! I already have a Canon R6 and a Blackmagic Pocket 6K Pro, but I wanted a camera easier for run'n gun shoots (the Pocket 6K pro has amazing image quality but the lack of AF is sometimes annoying during fast paste events, and the R6 overheats even with my Ninja V, and the lack of xlr port and ND is a big disadvantage too).
Because I saw that the AF of the C70 Is not always good. I'm not sure I will use it if I see the AF hunting all the time. So if I have to manually focus, I already have my Pocket 6K pro that I love.