First Look at the ALL NEW Cannondale Habit HT | beSPOKE ep. 3
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- Cannondale has just release their first foray into the hardcore hardtail market with the all new Habit HT. If the Habit name sounds familiar to you it's because it's been their fun-focused trail bike ever since 2015. The new Habit HT is an interesting bike, with some surprising geometry and spec choice and a pretty remarkable price tag. Watch the video to learn more!
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro
01:00 What is the "Habit"
02:10 Frame Features/Geometry
04:58 The Plot Thickens!
06:05 Habit HT 2 Part Spec
08:02 Habit HT 3 Part Spec
10:15 Is This the Bike For You? - Sport
Always a good breakdown Josh💪🏽
Thank you man 🤙🤙
HT 1 made it to Pittsburgh Pa. I picked one up in the Cinnamon color last week. Can’t wait to get it on the trails.
Dope!! The HT1 looks awesome! Let me know what you think of the bike once you take it out!
I really hope they bring the one here soon like next week 😊
It’s awesome to see more information online like this video when new bikes come out. Finding the HT1 on the EU Cannondale site is a great discovery. Eager to hear more. OTOH I think it is a bit of an overstep to make statements about how the bike is going to ride without qualifying it somehow such as saying “Based on my experiences, this could mean…” I’m skeptical of even the most experienced rider making determinations without direct riding experience. I’ll look forward to a ride report in the future before trusting that
I appreciate the skepticism! I did my best to regularly repeat that I haven’t yet ridden the bike, but am making comparisons of the geo/components listed online to the dozen or so modern aggressive hardtails I’ve had the privilege of riding. My goal was to make it clear that this was a first look, not a review, sorry if it didn’t come across that way!
Kinda glad I found this video. I’m basically a newbie to the MTB world (rode a long time ago) but have a lot of trails where I live in Virginia. Went to the local bike shop today and this is actually the only bike they had in my price range (want to stay below $1500)
Any recommendations for a 29r that would be more friendly to someone getting back into riding and around the same price point? Thanks!
Check out the Norco Torrent A2! It has great geometry for aggressive trail riding, and a pretty dang good spec, especially given the sale price of just $1,500 on Jenson right now (usually $1,900). If you end up going with this option it would help us out if you purchase it through our affiliate link: jenson.sjv.io/3edy4B
I took cinnamon HT1 in Croatia few days ago for 1500euros, was on dirt track..It was awesome on drops. I like how it looks
So I built a beautiful Ragley mmmbop. My wife pretty much has taken that bike for her own! That’s ok if it gets her out on the trails more with me. I’m now looking for a budget hardtail frame to build another one. I stumbled on this habit ht 2 and your video. Your exactly right this needs a deep dive. 130 fork can be fine for a lot of stuff, 76 seat tube angle I think is more modern then most. I want the chainstay shorter but it’s got a lot of other good geo, great stack. I think say the middle child is one of the best bikes for a lot of reasons, but the stack is really short, the seat tube is 74, the front wheel gets jittery at speed. The geo of the middlechild is not as modern as some bikes coming up recently. But not many can do what the middlechild can. So I’m open to wanting to see what the ride is on this habit ht. The gurilla gravity pedal head has a 435 chainstay and it got high marks. I think they are going to release a habit ht one, with a better fork. Even if you tested the habit ht 2, you could feel that geo. I think Cannondale needs a call from you!……I’m just adding this, I hadn’t watched your whole report. I just caught the stuff about the Europe habit better build. Your amazing finding that! Going to go back and finish watching.
Haha awesome to hear your wife is stoked on riding! I think this bike would work great for a rider who was more focused on speed and stability over playfulness and airtime, but of course sometimes bikes have a different feel than what the number look like on paper. If Cannondale is willing to send me a test bike you know you’ll see it here 🤙
Sooo awesome beautiful bike
Really is! And a killer price point for the spec!
Here in Ecuador I found a Giant Fathom 1 hardtail. Geometry looks similar but honestly I don't know the front travel spec. My fork is definitely beefier than the one on the Habit2 and 3. It would be fun to test the two side by side once you can find one to ride.
The Fathom 1 is a great bike! It’s probably the only other thing on the market that might be topping this in terms of value
My 2019 cannondale cujo 2 frame cracked at the welds where the seat stays meet the seat tube. Cannondale offered me 20% off wholesale for warranty and I decided on this (habit HT 2) bike before I saw this vodeo. I'm excited to recieve it and in a couple of weeks hopefully I'll have my bike and I'll post a video review on it when I get it.
Nice man, let us know what you think of it!! Love the user name by the way 🤙🤙
It took me only 3 rides until I blew Judy fork seal that came with Specialized Fuse. It's ok for xc type of riding but it's not sturdy enough to do any kind of jumps. If you like going down jump trails then you kind of have to upgrade the fork right out of the box
My thoughts exactly!
Not only you can get the best beer here in Czech republic, we also have Cannondale datasheets first. Whoa, what an awesome country I live in, ahahhaa
Hahaha nice man!! That Habit HT 1 looks awesome! Stoked to hear from you 🤙
great bike!!!
The HT2 or HT3? I didn't really understand what he said about the tire width. Are wider tires (2.4-2.6) better?
I think the bike that is a little similar is the Rocky Mountain growler 20 because they both have a 130mm fork with 64 head tube angle and have 29 wheels?
True! I think the other models have 140mm forms and the 20 has a 130, so it’s probably a hair steeper. It’s also a pretty good value comparison to, the Growler 20 also has a great spec for less than $1,200
FYI, the Giordano Intrepid has a 437 long chainstay...also an29er.... swapping to a 26x2.4 made it fun and still climbed like stock
Right on, thanks for sharing!!
I have my hands on one. I'll be dropping my review shortly
Looking forward to it. I’m intrigued with this frame. I want to buy just the frame and do a build. The build has some strong points but the fork and crank need to be alittle better.
I really wish they sold it as frame only! Hopefully soon!
Slacker than my 2022 chameleon. 130mm is perfect on a hardtail. The spec is not great on these, but the price reflects that at least.
Rode one, just in the parking lot. One size too small. It felt very planted, not playful, rode well, looked nice. It was just a touch lower spec than I wanted and maybe too slack for my needs. I ended up buying a Trek Roscoe 7 as an all around hardtail.
yep.. better all round bike - good call.
Nice! Ya I think it’s gonna be a real tight niche that the Habit HT will be the best bike for. But props to them for doing something a little different!
About time but I don't understand why they didn't just release this in a modified form as a second-generation of the circa 2016 Beast of the East...
Yes I have one❤
Nice!! Which model? And how do you like it so far?
My first fs bike was a bad habit. It was a 27.5 + bike size xl. A good deal on a demo bike. Very confidence inspiring. Cracked the frame on some small drops. Cannondale replaced it with a habit fs frame. It was stronger, lighter, stiffer, slacker ht, steeper seat tube , so naturally I sold it while it was basically a new bike. Wish I would have kept it. It was a great all rounder trail bike. The ht habit looks interesting. I'd like a test ride in it, but would ride the stock forks until they wear out and replace with a Marzocchi bomber or a lyric .
Nice! I remember the Bad Habit, I wanted that bike back in the day! What do you ride now?
@ridingwithjoshandwendy got a brand new wrecker from evil to build this weekend. Been riding Santa Cruz Hightower lt. And a v3 nukeproof scout I built from frame up last year.
What a collection 🤙 Which do you find yourself taking out most often?
@ridingwithjoshandwendy I switch. Mostly every other ride. The scout rocks, but the Hightower is better in the steeps and rough stuff. I did mostly hardtail on my marin nailtrail last year because the fs was down for a bad hub and I was away from home to get the scout.
There is the 3 and 2 at boardwalkbikes in myrtle beach
I think 130mm or less makes sense for a HT. One thing you have to keep in mind is, unlike a full suspension, a HT’s geometry gets steeper as the fork compresses. Therefore, if you got a 64 degree head tube angle with a 150mm fork with 30% sag, your effective head tube angel will be steeper, especially when it’s compressed in corners where you want it slack the most. Therefore, less travel means less negative geometry change as the fork compresses.
True, which is why most guys riding long travel hardtails run 10-20% sag. I personally think the limiting point is closer to around 150mm though.
Sun and Ski Sports has them!
Pipedream Sirius comes close, which is designed around 110mm-140mm. Geo is sag corrected. On the other hand it cost much more than the Habit of course.
True!
My local Cannondale dealer has these in stock. Pretty competitive price point. Looks to be competing directly against the Specialized fuse.
Ya, but with a bit more aggressive geo and at a better price for the spec. I’d say it’s most direct mainstream competitor right now would be the Marin San Quentin; which also has a 64 degree HTA and a pretty comparable price. The Habit HT 3 is kinda in a class of its own for having through axels front and rear and a dropper post for less than $1,200!
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy Marin is still doing 27.5 though. A lot of people have moved on from the 27.5 bandwagon. Marin would be wise to tweak it and put out a 29er version of the SQ.
@@JasonScottCarter Mullet. They could just go with a mullet hardtail at a decent price - a lot of people would want to check that out.
I’m personally a big fan of 27.5” wheels, and I think they’re the best option if you’re wanting a more dirt-jumpy feel. But yes, I would be surprised with Marin releasing a new 29” hardtail since the El Roy didn’t do so well
I currently have my SQ3 set up as a mullet and it rips! Check it out here czcams.com/video/XQJdif6jN7Q/video.html
On sale at REI thru 8/14/23 1158.99 great bike . I put z1 bombers air on it couldn’t be happier!
Nice!!
Does that mean you put an air fork on the HT3? I'm not sure if that's even possible to change the fork
This frame is one of the cheapest branded frame for sale. I recommend if if you really like this bike just buy the frame and build it with parts that you prefer and it will pretty much be cheaper but with good parts.
Good call!
This bike and the Spec Chisel are both super similar to the SC Chameleon. I put a 140 fox on my Chameleon and it rides great.
Pretty different geo on these three bikes, they’re going to feel night and day different on the trail! I believe the Chisel has a 68 degree HTA and this has a 63.
interesting and actually nice looking bike... like the geo for the most part but sort of confused with the fork size/selection as well as the short dropper. I'd probably look at about 10 other similar-priced ht's before going down the cannondale road. my first mtb back in the mid-90's was a Cannondale, pretty fun especially after i basically stripped it down and replaced most of the components and turned it in to an actual serviceable mtb when i was exposed to real mountain biking in Ashland!
great video Josh, as per usual!
Thanks man! Ya, really wish there was a frame only option. Curious to see what the HT 1 model looks like when it gets to North America too
this or the canyon stoic? for a begginer who wants to upgrade long term
Looks like the HT 1 will offer the raw aluminum color and a Rockshox silver 35 fork. But I cant find it available with a price. So maybe its not released yet?
It’s available in Europe right now, so hopefully in the states soon! I talk about it at 5:00
Co-worker of mine picked up the purple one(more eggplant in person) and it’s decent bang for buck, though yeah the forks on both models are meh but aside from that pretty decent right out of the box.
Nice! You’ll have to try it out and tell us how it rides 🤙
Habit HT 1 made it to Europe, but there is no sign of the matte black one with Pike (at least in my region), even though it's been used in promo shots for the website. There are two colours available - mercury (raw) and cinnamon with RS 35 Silver fork - which is a kind of a bummer :(
Right?! Must be a yet to be released model. Hopefully we'll get to see it soon!
I just ordered my HT 1 today in the Cinnamon color and that is the weakness I saw. I already have a set of I-9 enduro 305v3's that I am going to put on it. I'm more of an xc / light trail guy and I think this one will fit the bill well. Plan on some bike packing too.
Hey! Can u recommend me any hardtail thats for under 1.5k and is able to cover trails with jumps? Thanks
Check this video out! czcams.com/video/QGW1qSaBqjU/video.htmlsi=JdbOK5D20j4P4xpJ
You know what I find weird about this?
The HT 1 has a Rockshox 35 on it, and only comes in silver.
The weird bike pictured has the Pike Ultimate and comes in black. That's not even the HT 1.
Maybe there'll be a Habit HT SE?
Ya, definitely some bikes yet to be released, that look like they'll rip!
whats the suggested travel fork for this frame? here in manila they sell frame only. planning to build a new bike
Nice, that’ll be a sick build! The bike comes with a 130 and Cannondale says you can run it with anything from 120-140
What hardtail would you recommend from REI? They are limited when it comes to brands, but I do like their service and dont know so much about bikes at this point. Having said that, I would like to go for a better hardtail with a good fork and hydraulic brakes.
These Habit HTs are pretty rad!
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy They have different versions tough. Do you have one in particular? Looked at the Habit HT3, but it doesn't seem to have an air fork.
Just picked up the HT2, REI has them as well as shimano 4 pot brakes on sale. Marzocchi has the Z2 20% off. Look forward to putting it all together.
That's gonna be rad!!
So after Habit HT1 is now on the market, what is your opinion about it?
I’m still a bit weary of the geometry to be honest, but I still have yet to ride one so take that with a grain of salt. But the part spec and value looks great!
It’s nice to see major brands finally updating their geo on Hardtails. The BB is actually high for a short travel 29. Most 29 130-140 Hardtails do -65 drop.
Any good fork recommendations for the ht 3 for a 180 lbs rider?
What’s your budget? Id say a Rockshox 35 Gold, Marzocchi Bomber Z2, or SR Suntour Aion 35 would all be good options for around $400.
With that 64 deg HTA and by putting a 150-160mm fork, can it handle enduro tracks?
I’d say! I think the biggest limiting factor on the HT 2 and 3 is the fork, and if you want to carry significant speed through rough terrain you’ll want to replace it early on
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy thank you. Do you think MT420 brakes is enough for that purpose?
Steve at Hardtail party has a whole video on this bike
It seems to me it is a mtb tourer;)❤that thing
Though the HT 2 actually came with Maxxis(highroller ii rear, minion dhf front).
Good to know; their spec said otherwise but I’d seen pictures of it with Maxxis rubber so I wasn’t sure
After watching all the budget hardtail videos you posted I was dead set on a COMMENCAL META HT AM, but i hadn't checked local shop. Guy at the local shop went through all my options for my price point this is what stuck with me after i slept on it.
Nice man! Which build are you going to go with?
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy I went with the HT2. Also thanks for all the informative videos, you've educated me in a tremendous way!
Thank you man, that means a lot! Let me know your thoughts on the bike, super curious to hear!
The BTR Ranger has less travel and is as I think slacker and playful. ;) But it’s of course no mass product.
Haha what a bike! I’ve seen the Belter, but never the Ranger! That thing definitely looks similar geo wise, I love BTR 😂
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy You got 3 bikes in one. A dj bike, a xc bike and of course a trail bike. At least, its the only price to justify the investment for the frame. ;)
the rocky mountain growler 20 is specced similarly. 130 xcm, long chain stays
True! Which would you take between those two?
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy trick question, San Quentin.
Haha that would be my answer too 😂 Gotta have those 27.5” wheels!
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy i have a rockey moutain growler right now, and am shortening the cranks to 165 (stubby legs) and going to put on my 27,5 wheel set and see how it does. I'm worried about the BB height, but if it all works out, it will be a fun bike. would be cool to make the MSQ vs RMG 27.5 comparison
Nice! Ya with the MSQ it was already 27.5, so mulleting it actually raised the BB. The RMG doesn’t have a particularly low BB, so I think you’ll be okay with those shorter cranks
Well, this bike is meant to be upgraded. Its the same with Poseidon Norton. It is meant to be upgraded gradually if you dont have much money, but it will get you going meanwhile. I think it is a genius marketing.
Good call! And since the frame seems pretty legit it would definitely be worth putting the money into!
I have one ,it's very good bike, strong, stable, and very comfortable
Good to hear, thanks for sharing man 🤙
I noticed that the ETT is too short. Rider might feel cramped when seated.
That’s what a steep STA will do for you; I’m personally not a fan, but if you like up-sizing bikes it’s a must
has to be the most elusive bike this year, no ride reviews anywhere, bout ready to just buy it in mantis green.
Right?! I’ve even had trouble finding one at any local shops here in Oregon to test ride
Looks like here in the UK we get the HT1 in raw, but only in raw.
How’s the price on that? I really hope they release that in the states soon!
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy £1500 for the HT1 in raw. The 130mm dropper on a large seems a bit out of touch with the geometry. Would have been better to simply not fit a dropper and spend the budget elsewhere on the bike.
Where's the link to the ht1?
It hadn’t been released in the U.S. yet, but is now! www.cannondale.com/en-us/bikes/mountain/trail-bikes/habit-ht/habit-ht-1
I HAVE one its amazing ❤ I 👍👍
Nice!! Glad you like it!
Longer chainstays will make the bike feel way more balanced, not even that long compared with my on one hello dave
Haha your Hello Dave has the longest chainstays of any hardtail on the market, and I think this just took second place. But yes, there are definitely some pros to longer CSL that I talk about in the video
Not good for 140mm travel?
What do you mean by that?
Damn, really dissapointed with this bike. Anyway can you belive the new Stoic 4 was on sale at just 1445 euros? pike select, 12 spd deore, 4 pot deore, dt swiss wheels, dropper.... and i got one for myself. Really can't beat what u get for the money.
Killer deal!! Just wish the seat tube wasn’t so tall otherwise I’d probably own a Stoic by now 😕
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy on the size M its 430mm. At 178cm it fits me well. But i started to think maybe the frame is not as high quality as scout or meta ht? It comes close to 15kg and the scout in similar spec is almost 13kg. Wondering why there’s such a big difference in weight
Sadly the L is 460 and XL is 500. And it could be, could be different sizes that the weights are given for too
Good looking bike, but that fork choice...wtf? I know Cannondale has always followed a weird path with their bike designs, the Lefty comes to mind, but that is a really odd choice and I wouldn't be surprised if that Judy costing them sales especially when at that price there are other HCHTs out there with better fork options. The fact that they are offering it overseas with a 150 makes me wonder what angle they are trying to push in the NA market. The WTB wheels are decent hoops but if they are using the Novatec hubs then regardless of width they aren't worth using except while saving or looking for a replacement set, if they are using the WTB Serra hub then just go ahead and factor in new wheels when considering the purchase as part of the total cost.
Ya, definitely seems like they put out a solid (albeit unique geo) frame with a pretty questionable spec. But for the money it still seems like a great, upgradable package IMO
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy Yeah I like that frame design. Would be a nice frame to build up or ride as is and upgrade as you go. BTW I like your review style it feels like a very balanced perspective.
Thank you man, I appreciate it!
So pretty! But a Judy? What a hell…
Ya, it’s really a bummer. Rockshox Recon or even 35 would have been a much better option
I genuinely think Cannondale failed here. Poor overall - 64HTA with a 130 fork - that's just plain weird. It's like they put 30% effort into this. Sure, Boost spacing they got - but that's the standard and expected. Much better bikes out there in my view. The frame does look fantastic though.. but any brand putting a Judy\30mm stanchion fork on a bike like this means they just missed the brief - that's assuming there was a brief. Looks like a complete afterthought of a bike. The Habit FS bike on the other hand, lovely and proper. Big pass for me... Cannondale did themselves a disservice on this one and they are better than that.
Honestly it’s mainly just the fork that erks me, and possibly the long chainstays. The rest of the spec, geo, and frame features are pretty solid! Wish the sold it as a frame only, I bet you’d see some pretty rad builds!
Yes, I can get any of the new 2023 geo Ragley frames for $620 delivered to my door. The new geo Ragley geo’s are very unpredictable.
Don’t know if the ride would translate. But the habit ht looks promising, I would pay $620 to do a build. Could I buy the habit ht 3 for $1175 plus tax and sell enough of those entry level parts, I don’t know. I don’t think so. Even with those parts new, would anybody want them?
@Riding With Josh and Wendy like you said.. even with a 140 fork.. the HTA would be very agreesive (angle headset to pull it back but again.. it then becomes not a price competitive at all) and limits the all round approach to a HT like this. I ride a Merida Big Trail and a Norco Sight (64HTA). I wouldn't want my Merida that slack..it's 65.5 as is with a 140 fork... plenty slack to keep my out of trouble.
I had the same thought 😂
130mm Judy fork.
I'm out.
Ya, it’s really a bummer. Rockshox Recon or even 35 would have been a much better option
Actually doesnt sound like a fun bike at all. It sounds ...safe. Something like the old Trek Stache was a super playful, poppy, fun, hardtail.
Yeah, definitely not the most playful bike! But fast can be fun too!
Canondale always seemed like a bad brand when it comes to anything other than XC
I think the Habit FS is pretty rad!