This Guy Hates Hardtails, Can We Change His Mind?
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
- It's safe to say that Blake loves hardtail mountain bikes. At the same time, it's safe to say that @embn's Steve Jones does not... Could Blake's passion for all things hardtail break through to Steve and change his mind, or would the lure of a battery, motor, and some rear suspension be too strong?
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His face expresion when he was shaken to bits on those roots is priceless.
It's a vibe, roots are fun on hard tail
lol amature face 😂
There is quite a certain chemistry between these two, they need to do more films together!
Very informative and absolute riot the way you two carry on!
Big disagree. Steve seems like a real dickhead.
A friend of mine met Steve on a hike in greece this year. They drank quit a few beers together and steeve paid for all of it. He realy is also a great guy outside of GMBN and EMBN.
Came here to say the same. Love these two!
Film😂
Steve and Blake the combo I never knew I needed 👏
I can't believe I have to say this again. Hardtails make easy Trails fun instead of boring. The trails closest to my house on my Enduro bike are a snooze fest where I can just steamroll everything. Those same Trails come alive on my hardtail with every little bump and side hit becoming a playground. When I drive an hour into the mountains my Enduro bike lets me ride things I couldn't on my hardtail. And if I take my hardtail to the mountains I can have an absolute terrifying but epic time also.
Agreed!
Same thing goes for short travel fullys
Agreed. Idk but I'd say a hardtail made me into a better rider overall
I have a hard tail as I ride more on the road than off road and up hill also,no electricity helping.
Just started riding a hard tail after like 20 years, having a blast with it.
..."all out there riding our bike having fun"...and...3...2...1 Massive OTB! I'm ipmressed guys, that was some superb timing and I hope your stunt rider was well compensated... and that it only took 1 take.
Perfect timing
15:50
I need money for that
I need money for that
I came up from the beginnings of mountain biking too, I'm 62 now. Still riding a hardtail, it's not about what I can afford. I like that Toyota type quality of a hardtail, it 's simple and just always goes. I am fighting the aging process, I want the workout, the riding up hill as well as down. I like the responsiveness, the lighter weight, feeling the trail. After riding trails for years on a CX bike the hardtail seems really smooth now anyways. A big shout out to World Champ Pauline Ferrand Prevot for winning on a hardtail! It really is about skill and the bike is just a tool, some like power tools some hand tools, they both get the job done, with the end result being fun...
Let's take a moment to appreciate just how skillful Blake is on a bike...any bike. You don't realise it until you put him up against someone who can't match his level of skill, even a great rider like Steve Jones.
I definitely concur that Blake can ride anything and expertly pull off pretty much "anything" on a less than modern bike.
Please. Let these two lads make more vidoes together. Please! 😂
Jesus what a difference in decending through that rough stuff, blake did it so smoothly!
30 years younger knees are noticeable
He told it, he was clipped on and was not pushing feet down to keep them on pedals.
This is the first honest discussion about hardtails in gmbn. Yes, FS are easier and more confidence inspiring, but hardtails are cheaper! Checkmate!
We need more of these two together in videos
I'm on my 3rd ragley in about 6 years, absolutely love them.
i wonder why you have a new hardtail every two years? :P Just joking :P Just ordered a Big Wig
@@eXaviar haha its not becausce they are breaking the build quality is great , I've been getting them through cycle to work scheme so might aswell get a newer model.
the smile on his face while whining about sweating and downplaying the hardtail tho, it definitely brought back some vigor into him
I also absolutely LOVE how Steve is no Bullshit. LOL. Even though this video reverse-convinced me because Steve was so raw and honest, make of these! Love these honest none-sugar coated videos. Next one: Clipless is always better or Carbon is always better than Alu. Wireless AXS shifting is always better. :)
It’s the dysfunctional Dad & Lad combo. Absolutely hilarious and yet so relatable. Hardtail for life!
Fail of the day in the background 😂
Had to hurt, perfect timing as well 😂
Very, very enjoyable! And Steve is so funny 🙂 Thank you both!
I’m also 57 and started out on rigid forked bike in the 80s. I’ve only owned a hard tail and love it. Whenever I ride a full sus, I feel like I’m driving a truck through the woods. I’ve rarely encountered something I felt my hardtail couldn’t handle.
Riding clipped in is a great point and it really shows in the two clips through the roots.
That said, I would love an e-bike. They are a different animal but so much fun.
At one point here semi recently I had a FS XC bike and a rigid hardtail. For most riding here outside DC, I reached for the rigid HT for 97% of rides.
So I sold the FS bike
@@GummeeH3 I'm in Annapolis. From Bacon's to Patapasco to Fountainhead, the hardtail has never left me wanting.
Great video. Steve Jones looks like most of my riding partners when I pull out the hardtail. I absolutely understand why people dislike them, but I think they are missing out. Hardtails are a fully immersive tactile experience. While I enjoy mindlessly smashing through trails on the Enduro, feeling every rock and bump on a hardtail keeps me completely present.
We need more Steve with Blake!
Built my first hardtail this year- a singlespeed Ragley Big Al. Hardly touched my full sus Trance ever since. Amazing how capable modern hardtails are!
I just built up a ragley blue pig as a mullet and my god i love it to bits
Yeah. I sold my full Sus after buying lightweight xc hardtrail
@@heinzbeanzz7267That was my dream a few years back but never got of my butt, glad to hear someone did it and loves it 👍👍
Love my Ragley Marley frame... it's just a tad too short. I'm really digging the geo on the new Scouts, but my bright metallic orange paint on my Ragley just looks so good.
I built myself a custom hardtail this year too! immediately sold my full sus Trek
With smaller brands pushing the geometry of progressive hardtails and the bigger brands getting onboard, hardtails are becoming more and more capable and enjoyable. I recently got myself the current generation trek Roscoe and it's probably the most fun bike I've owned and the one I use the most. For the most part it is perfect for 90% of my riding, for the 10% that it isn't I jump on my Slash. As others have said in the comments, a hard tail makes you get creative by finding new lines or bombing what would be chill trails on a full sus. They're also great for technique, as an already confident rider my riding has progressed massively since getting onto a hardtail. They're definitely not just for beginners!
I got a trek Roscoe 9 as my first bike. I am at this point where my skills have progressed tremendously, and I’m deciding if I should get a full suspension fuel EX. Love to hear that you are very happy with your Roscoe
The fuel Ex is also a great bike, the Roscoe has very similar geometry aside from the lack of a rear shock. Since writing my initial comment I’ve sold my Slash and currently just riding my Roscoe, albeit with a few modifications. Maybe consider looking to do a few upgrades to get more out of the Roscoe which you can always transfer to another bike later on. Just a thought, or if you want a Fuel EX. Crack on!
I have both a hardtail and a full sus but find myself taking the hardtail out more as it just more fun to ride , that said I’m not nearly at these guys levels 😂
That’s what is called camera skills. Perfect zoom in. Cameramen needs a rise for his anticipation skills.😂
In absolute stitches. LOL The root section brought back so many memories. Hilarious trying to convince and all the proper defense responses. So good! You two are hilarious together. Steve, you are fun to watch.
Nice! Love the counterpoint and push back. I relate to the “right tool” notion. I ride a hardtail, a Stanton Sherpa. Buying used, it was an affordable entry point into MTB for me at age 50. I enjoy learning about bike maintenance and making upgrades over time. I love the simplicity and weight. I ride once a week. Perhaps a full-sus is in my future, but I enjoy greens and blues as a new rider and the hardtail doesn’t feel limiting at my pace.
Bring this man more often, the combo of you two is just perfect !
Good to see you on the channel, Steve!
Well done guys that was good viewing.Keep up the great work.
Love the banter and sharing of wisdom.
One of my biggest regrets was never getting into biking earlier. I got into it when I was 20 and have been cycling for over 30 yrs. I absolutely love the sport.
Got into it when i was 26. Same feeling but such is life, better late than never
@@TheSpaceBrosShow Im just now starting and Im 44 lol
@@duanen2337 hell yeah man 🎉
Steve Jones: "Hardtails don't teach you better skills. They just teach you different skills - and they teach you bad technique."
Steve Jones watching Chris Akrigg on a full suspension ebike: "How did he learn to do that?!"
Another great video from you guys love it ❤
Growing up mtn biking in early 90s Ive had enough time on a hardtail, never again, embrace the modern mtn bike, it really is what we always wanted!!! No more hardtails ever needed!
Awesome video! More of Blake and Steve!
Awesome video 😂 Steve and Blake should do videos together more often.
🙄🙄Really?
I started to rid my Sonder transmitter hardtail 1 months ago, and I really love that bike. Sometimes is a little bit tricky to go downhill but I think it can help me to improve my riding skills and then be a better rider with full susp if I want to upgrade in the future.
Also everybody said to me to start with hardtail so I did that.
No hard tail riders were harmed in the making of this video 😂
truly thought Blake dropped the F bomb at 2:25 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You have inspired me a fat 34 year old truck driver in usa to get on a mountain bike. Started on a full suspension 08 fuji and broke the swing arm within a month. Just layaway a polygon hard tail. I'm currently in a bankruptcy so the budget is killing me. But I want a full sus so bad I can taste it. The hard tail will keep me occupied until I can figure a way into a full sus.
I’ve gone back to a hardtail. SC Chameleon mullet. Most fun I’ve have in years. Back to basics sort of experience.
after years off the bike (wrong purchase back in the days, wasn't feeling it, abandoned my bike and had no fun) and a lot of back and forth, i finally got myself a RM Altitude Powerplay last year,
its a great E-MTB and i ride it as often as possible and its my favorite bike ever, its a beast that plows through (and up!) everything!
It really did rekindle my love for bicycles and got me back riding.
That said, a few months ago i decided to additionally get a NP Scout 275, just a basic spec, nothing crazy and i must say, i also love it very much. its a completely different experience and now im also back on a regular bike! WIN WIN
It would be amazing to see a video like this but with cheap Decathlon bikes
sam. and the boys did a cheap enduro bike version one of them was riding a rockrider full sus, fun episode
@@awfully.average yhea but finding deals like those isn't realistic for the majority of us. You can rent a cheap hard tail at Decathlon for like 10€ a day and it would be an amazing video.
He's using Dodi's bike but they were using footage of Rich's. Anybody else notice that?
i just turned 52, started MTB just 3 years ago. my first "real" bike was a HT with 120 fork. more XC than trail (as i discovered on any Black diamond)
fast forward to last week.. i own a 115, a 140, and a 160 - decided to go back to my roots and get another HT. so looking forward to pushing it hard! the things i hear about this specific HT i just built is that it loves to be pushed beyond what you would think are the limits of the travel and frame.
I had a 2018 ish Orbea Loki 27.5 plus hardtail and I loved it
Best GMBN video in ages. Great points made by both, great chemistry between them, so funny. As others have said more Blake and Steve please 🙏😀
Great show guys, you two work well together...I just came back from Derby, Tasmania, Australia and tried most of the tracks there. I went down some tracks twice, to see the difference between a hard tail and a soft tail bike...after riding both types of bikes for many years, I found in Derby, that on the green, blue and black trails I preferred the hard tail more. Only when it came to the double black trails is where the soft tail bike came into its elements. At age 55, I did notice my legs where buggered after riding on the hard tail at the end of the day, but I enjoyed the skill and interaction with the bike much more. It's like you become part of the bike, so much more feedback to learn your limits as a rider.
Blake, you are the reason I went back to a hardtail after riding a full suspension for 6 years. Best choice of my life! I ride a Commencal Meta HT now and it's my favorite bike I've ever owned! It brought a level of fun back into riding that I had lost spending so much time on a full suspension. And once I got it set up well and I got used to it again. I found that my hardtail can handle all the trails that I was on before with the full suspension!
I ride a hardtail now, but I do want a full suspension bike eventually. I tested a full suspension and fell in love with it.
Brilliant video. 👏 well done Steve 👏
Brilliant video made me chuckle.
Riding a trusty Hardtail for decades now...the last one for over twelve years. Then the new one only because of new standards and I wanted to try a dropper post (the old Rocky Mountain Flow had a 26.8mm seattube).
Spent over 4k because of the Rohloff gearhub and some other beloved stuff and I'm very very happy with it!
Several years ago a friend of mine and me tried out some full sus-bikes with around 120-150mm of travel front and rear and we blazed all of our hometrails. Both we are hardtail-lovers and for us we decided, that our hometrails would become kind of boring on a full sus.
P.s.: Allways good entertainig work from GMBN💚
Awesome video! I’ve got a Ribble HT 725 on order and I cannot wait! BMXed for 20+ years and trials too. Haven’t had a proper mtb for a long time, arguably never have as it was a Specialized Rockhopper 26” which wasn’t the most entertaining!
Love it. I'm with Steve... it's the right tool for the situation that matters. It's exciting to do it the other way, but not practical.
I'm 10 yrs older than Steve and grew up in the country where all of the roads were gravel and the old quarry is where we learned to repair bikes as every ride seemed to break something. I still remember the early front shocks which we thought were great, but are shit by today's standards. When full-sus came out my body said thank you very much. Steve, I'm in full agreement with you as I also have no desire to beat my old bones up any more than I have to. Blake will learn this too one day, but right now he's still thinking with the wrong head, because he still can.
Great Conversation Blake, and some great learning points for Both Bikes........🤝🏾🇺🇸💪🏾👍🏾
Too right Steve Jones, I am turning 48 this coming December 4th, and have been thinking a lot about my biking skills and how much more I need to progress to be the best I want to be before I hit the proverbial hill; no pun intended.
Steve, you are my hero! Go to it mate!
I have 1 HT and 1 Enduro FullSus. My go-to bike is the HT. I only ride the FS on the gnarliest of tracks. I've found that when you learn to keep your feet on the flat pedals on the HT, it helps you go even faster on the FS.
I have a fully rigid and a hardtail. I once had a full suspension, but it felt like riding on painkillers. I love the roughness and the sweat. Everytime I get back, I'm just so exhausted. I quite like that feeling.
Simply put amazing vid!
My mate, 75 years old, very little experience of DH took his HT Whyte 901 to Dyfi to ride Lovey Dyfi and Super swooper and loved it
Another great video to distract me from work. I just love the simplicity and direct drive of a hardtail.
Great video and comradery. More please🤞
We do love the program and EMTB. keep it up
I learned on a hardtail and now have a full suspension and wouldn’t go back. However I do want a second bike that’s a hardtail cause I miss the feedback you get from the trail sometimes.
I said the exact same thing and just got a hardcore hardtail it’s amazing definitely need both in your life.
2000 klein attitude race all night sometimes during the day, 23 year old retro hardtails still do the job, just gotta love it!
I love it when you do hardtails.
Been running my old nukeproof scout for 4 years now
I agree: riding a hardtail teaches you almost nothing about riding a full-suspension bike. However, if your goal is to ride a full-suspension bike as efficiently as possible, you ought to optimize by first trying a hardtail -- because the hardtail will make it clear for you where you need to improve. (This is beside the fact that a hardtail is arguably more fun depending on the terrain.)
I'm using a Brusko Machete AM Hardtail before then i tried a full suspension (Banshee Rune, GT Force, Trek Slash) bike. I admit that I enjoyed the fullsus that time. But it didn't take me a year to change back to a hardtail. A Dartmoor Hornet then a Commencal Meta HT.
Felt I'm one with the trail even more. I couldn't be happier when i returned to using a trusty hardtail. Best decision going back ❤
I rode a poorly designed full suspension for nearly 20 years during covid lock down I had enough and bought a GT Aggressor Expert hardtail and love it.
Riding a Kona Big Honzo steel out here in Montana. Getting my bones rattled but I love it.
I still love my Rock Lobster steel hardtail. Sits nicely in the family of a road bike, gravel and full suspension
Brings back memories when I first started mountain biking. I rode a Diamondback Topango rigid frame bike. I rode it downhill, XC, jumping. I was given the trail name rigidpsycho from my riding buddies.
Well, at 61 I have come back to riding a hard tail for the last 6 yrs, after a sojourn with motor cycle and a racer when I was younger.
I also fell on roots 3 yrs ago and bust my shoulder in 3 places.
But I am enjoying, wish I'd come back to mtb ing 20 yrs ago.
Video gives me more faith in biking. And the comments are great.
This one of the best content GMBN ever produced
This video was absolutely great, there was great points made!
Blake: We'reall out there having fun
Guy in background: Guess I'll die :D
When I sold my last 26” HT I thought that was the end of my relationship with them.
Then realised a HT is probably the most versatile bike out there. Had 29er ever since and can’t imagine life without one. It’s my go to bike if I want to grab a bike and just go for a ride, 0:33
Steve Jones looks like my age but he's 65.
Nah seriously he's 65!
What a legend
He said his 57
I recently re-rode a bunch of my favorite trails on my old, trusty hardtail steed, and found it to be a bit rougher than I remembered as I was jostled to and fro in a most unpleasant ride over root and rock.
Frankly I feel very spoiled by my full suspension trail bike but had to revisit the old, trusty, steed to remember just how good my new steed truly is.
All good points from Steve!
My Nukeproof Scout is my most crashed, most ridden, most insane, most loved bike I have. It's done (been crashed at) the Forest of Dean (as pictured above), across Norfolk and most recently the Malverns Classic Enduro and Slalom courses. It is The One Bike.
Hardtails are the best bikes to start with! 🤘
Love it. Love my hardtail, but it aint coming on rough trails anymore.
I've had FS bike, but I think it's all about having fun on the trails, got back to a HT (Modern Geo) and realized its all I will ever need...so for me HT all day!
Just upgraded to the Marzocchi F1 bomber fork w 150mm travel onto my Marin Nail Trail 6 hardtail. It’s amazing and so much more rewarding to ride hardtail when you feel that back end pump out on the trail
For a true riding experience - the hardtail rocks - I love mine - Gravel bike packing trips in particular - it’s the one !!
This was fun!!
I built up a bird zero am boost, fun to ride. Modern slack hardtails are so capable and seriously under rated.
Good stuff guys 👍
Some good points there, i have had full suss bikes and they have there pros but i just love a hardtail... light, simple and responsive
Great video, absolutely love my Scout, such a great bike 👍🏻
15:00 best photobomb ever😂
Definitely one for FAILS Of The Week 📸 💥
Great chemistry indeed
I still ride my Ti hardtail with 40mm of travel...... but maybe not through that rooty section. Great video guys, I remember Steve back in my day.
Ordered Banshee Enigma hardtail frame as 60th birthday present to myself, been having too much fun on Ragley Marley I built up earlier this year.
This was unexpectedly good!
Still miss my 96 rockhopper rigid bike. I could pass guys on downhill bikes at places like Keystone and Copper. It was lighter and more responsive and yes I road clipped in so the bike and I were one. I would love to see a show where they take some of those old bikes and test them out.
One of the best GMBN videos ever created. Makes me wanna try clipping in
LOve you both Cheers!