Top 5 BEST VALUE Hardcore Hardtails of 2023!
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There are dozens of reasons why I choose to ride an aggressive hardtail, but one of the main reasons for me, and I’m sure many of you, is the value of these incredible bikes! In today’s video I’m giving you my top 5 choices for hardcore hardtails under $2,000, as well as my top buy for an insane GX equipped bike for less than $1,500! If you found this video helpful or entertaining don’t forgot to give it a like a subscribe to our channel for more of the same!
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro
01:22 Marin San Quentin 3
04:29 Canyon Stoic 4
06:54 Vitus Sentier VRS
08:41 Rocky Mountain Growler 40
11:14 On-One Hello Dave GX
14:49 And the Winner is…
#mtb #hardcorehardtail #hardtailmtb - Sport
Math has never been my strong suit, the correct price for the Hello Dave GX is actually $1,645, which is still an insane deal! Thanks to those who pointed this out to me 🤙
Do you know if they is a US seller of that bike because With import fees it may be just as expensive or possibly more as some of the others
Not sure on that, sorry!
@@durrantmiller8810 did you verify how much it would cost to ship it into the US? I’m also interrsted
Growler for the win!!!! Love my Growler. Haven't had a complaint about it. Been slowly building mine to be an Enduro/ Park monster
Another suggestion - The Fluid HT, Torrent AL HT and Fuse 29er are all being discounted now and are great bikes aligned with your criteria.
Great video..... and I Love my Stoic 4 (Mk1 with Sram and Alex Rims).... that green monster give me only joy, from there the sky is the limit!!!
Yep agree with you. The Vitus Sentier hardtail just confuses me. It has massively long seat tube for no apparent reason. Its anywhere from 30 - 60mm longer than its competitors. The crazy thing is that they actually reduced the seat tube length from earlier models! Last thing I want when descending steeps is a high saddle pushing me forward over bars.
Rode growler 40 2021 , can’t complain, really love it
Dude,
Love your videos FOR SURE!!!
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO FOR ALL OF US!!!!
Wow man, I really appreciate that!
Nice work homie!!💪🏻
Thanks man 🤙
Just ordered vitus vrs over the chameleon al d , hope i made a good choice
I have a growler, damn thing is absolutely amazing. If trails aren't too raggedy, nothing this bike can't handle, no matter how steep or fast
Had my ragley for 4 years now, it's been a great bike and super fun pointed downhill.
I'm looking for a new hardtail, yet its kind of hard when this ragley hasn't let me down and still surprises me how much confidence it gives me.
Feel like I've become one with the bike haha
That’s awesome, definitely great bikes! What frame were you on?
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy Its a 2017 ragley marley xl, I've just maintained it and upgraded the bits that have failed.
I do like the quentin 3 that's a hell of a hardtail!
The hello dave sure looks good on paper but Ive noticed a few people struggling with them on the trails, I heard one guy saying its just too long and can't get it round those tight berms whilst looking like he's bit the dirt a few times lol
Yeah the dave is uber cool!!!
I just ordered the Canyon Stoic 4 yesterday, but here in the EU we get the silver frame and supposedly better components like Shimano Deore 12 speed drivetrain, Shimano Deore M6120 brakes and DT Swiss AM LN 370 rims. I paid €1858,80 in total for it to be delivered to my door. It is supposed to be delivered between the 29th of May and the 9th of June. So stoked!
Hell ya man, sounds like a rad bike!! Enjoy 🤙
I just got the green one a couple months ago with dt swiss hubs and rims. Sick deal.
Great video! How is the marin rear end ride compliance? Seat stays look thin, perhaps its vertically compliant? Curious on you thoughts
You would think huh? It’s definitely a more damped feel than the previous model, but still relatively stiff. Definitely stiffer than my RSD Middlechild which has a shockingly compliant ride given the fat tubing haha
Ragley Blue Pig (steel) race is on sale on chain reaction for 1850 as well as the Big Wig (Aluminum) Race and they come with a lyrik RC, XT/SLX, and nukeproof wheels.
Dude I just saw that haha, that Blue Pig is an insane deal right now 🤯🤯
I built up my on one hello dave at the beginning of the year after getting sick of full susses breaking on me. genuinely the most capable and fun bike I've ever ridden and can keep up with all my mates on Enduro bikes
That’s awesome man! I’d love to try one out someday!
Hey,great helpful review thank you,can i ask if you had the on one wrekker which is kinda like the on one hello dave exept it's titanium maybe but what is a better lower weight wheelset to change to from the wtb st i30's,also it's saying that wheelset is 11 speed would getting a 12 speed wheeleset make it any faster maybe 😮
Ya, lower weight wheels are definitely a good investment, as you’ll notice the decrease in rolling weight before anything else. Also, to switch from 11 to 12 speed you will need to get a new 12 Speed compatible hub or freehub body
Not really a budget bike, but you should check out the Salsa Timberjack! I’m not an expert in geometry, but on paper it looks like it would be a really fun 130mm trail bike. Plus, being Salsa, it has lots of water bottle mounts everywhere to carry gear
I actually included in this buyers guide! It definitely looks like a fun, super versatile bike! czcams.com/video/7iaF3D5JvGA/video.html
Good work on the video. Could you mention the reach numbers on the medium size too? I think that would benefit more people on this channel.
To be honest I just stick with one Dive for the sake of brevity. Hopefully it gives you a ball park range of the bike’s sizing and you can check their website for details on your specific size 🤙
Very nice overwiev of what I am looking for. If you are coming from an full damped carbon XC bike( Scott RC 900), and just looking for some fun riding in woods with alot of over rock gardens, big roots, fallen trees and not going to spend to time in the skate park or very big jumps, wich of these do you recomend? And the riding will not only be downhill. Just tired of my XC bike is to heavy in the front, and not as playful. Shuld be easy to get the front wheel up a little bit. Also size? 187cm...
Of those bikes I’d say it sounds like the Stoic or Rocky Mountain would be best, depending on your price point. I personally ride an RSD Middlechild and absolutely love it, super playful and adjustable (can be set up 27.5, 29, or MX). It’s a bit pricier than the bikes on this list, but if you can stretch your budget up to $2,300 or so I’d say it’s definitely worth it 🤙
Cannondale Habit HT. Really cool looking handrail, great spec and it’s under 1300.
It sure is! Check out the video we did on it here: czcams.com/video/VpX3F4lEYXo/video.htmlsi=KeTfEbgQMQ-jJdim
I bought a Trek Rosco 9, very happy with it !! Only the tropper post , makes a lot of noise when you sit on it has too much spelling !! But otherwise I love it ......
Might wait for a sale on the Vitus and pull the trigger
That’s my black On One there towards the end, shout out to Jake at the bike lab in Anacortes, WA who did a killer job with my custom build! Guys I love this bike… it’s a lot of fun to ride, and yes it SMASHES the downhill! Super fun to ride up at Galbraith! Sturdy, supple, long and slack for sure. I’ve been having a lot of fun these last few months on it. Been riding it more than my transition spire!! Admittedly this is not a playful and jibby little jumper, however it is still a lot of fun on the jump lines and climbs well enough. That price is ridiculous! I definitely spent way more than that, but also pieced it together with exactly what I wanted so I do have a better spec all
The way around. Like I said, I really really dig this bike and highly recommend it to anyone thinking about. I’m 6’-1” about 230lbs for reference and am on an XL. I’ve never felt so comfortable in a cockpit before. Love it!
Thanks for sharing man! Your experience on that bike has definitely swayed me towards it haha, I used to think it was kinda dumb, but now I want one 😂
Nukeproof Scout, Ragley Mmmbop, Commencal Meta
Tons of good options out there, but I tried to pick a range that represented a wide variety of budgets and riders. I featured all of those in this video, check it out! czcams.com/video/OHY20bEKbs4/video.html
Apart from that : since England has „brexited“ there are additional customs that make bikes from there not a very good value any more - outside of GB.
And Orbea Laufey in first position
Thanks Comrade. I got the Growler 50.
Nice, super rad bike!!
I had this shortlist of budget HTs with mid-level components, good reviews, dedicated fans, $2K range, etc. Stoic, Meta, Scout, Timberjack, et al. All more the same than different (modern aggro geo, value priced, blah blah) at least for an aging gravel/CX/roadie who doesn’t even yet know exactly who he is on a MTB. Suddenly, without warning, an unadvertised flash sale on the Stoic 4 $1499! $500/25% off just like that! It was a a sign! So I bought it!
Sick deal!!
Hi there, i currently have a trek slash 8 2016 which is an enduro 160mm travel bike (feel a bit overbiked) and i wanted something that would be better for local flow trails jumps and pump track. something that would also make xc trails more intresting. and be better at climbing
im currently stuck between choosing the Ragley Marley 1.0 , canyon stoic 4 and the Nuke proof scout 275 comp as well as marin san quentin 3
i dont really need stable and fast id rather have something thats more playful and good at cornering. what do you think would be best as a 2nd bike?
all them would be 27.5 for my frame size
If you’re looking for playfulness Id steer you towards the Marley, the geo on that things should make it super fun and agile!
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy thanks so much for your response! , after looking at the geo of the vitus sentier 27 VRS doesn't that look more playful?
main thing is, what bike would be better at doing steeper jumps?
The vitus has a pretty high seat tube, which can make it a bit trickier. But the steeper HTA and shorter reach will also make it a bit better feeling on the jumps. It’s a bit of a trade off for sure
Got the 2022 growler 40 from a local shop and that got me $1400 out the door, also it didn't have the Clark's brakes, it came with Shimano mt401 brakes. I've heard good things on the Clark's so I wasn't worried about them but I was also happy when I looked and the brakes were very decent shimanos. Also they come with a built in hard plastic mud flap. Actually just traded this bike even tho I just got it, I belong on a 27.5 and found someone a few hours away willing to trade me their commencal meta with better specs so I really just got that bike for $1400 out the door and a long day trip. Well worth it.
Nice man, great deal!
Wow, nice! I’m not crazy about my RM Growler either and want to switch back to 27.5 also. I kinda feel like I’m sitting way up high when riding it. Like I’m up on a tractor with no feel or connection to the ground underneath me and somehow the seat is always in the way… even when it’s all the way down?
Definitely try the San Quentin then! 27.5” wheels and a pretty low stack compared to other aggressive hardtails
I'm not seeing the hello Dave link for the bike. Am I missing it? Thanks for the reviews. Want to purchase hello for my son. And Marin for me.
Nice, those are great options!! I sadly don’t partner with Planet X,the distributor for On-One. But if you go with the Marin I’d appreciate you purchasing it through the link there!
I would have bought the Hello Dave but living in Wisconsin we pedal up hill 90% of our rides. I choose the R spec Santa Cruz Chameleon 8 for 20% off and added i9 hydra hubs to the stock raceface wheels. All in about 3k for an amazing hardtail with great spec. Without the 20% sale the chameleon is a bit steep in price.
Nice, I would definitely say you made the right call!
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy Its still tempting to order one just to try. Strip it and sell the frame. So tempting. You could not buy all the parts for the price of that bike.
I was wondering why you haven't reviewed any of the RSD middlechild builds. I've been considering a middlechild, but I'm not sure which build would be the best for the price.
I’ve actually don’t a ton of videos on my Middlechild, check them out here: czcams.com/play/PLuHTEhoxOiC0OIstnarZZzmYVY2L9UCiz.html In terms of what build to get it all comes down to your budget. I built mine up from the frame with mostly used parts; probably put about $2,000 into the build (including the frame)
I run a dave for a year, the good it descends very well and climbs reasonabley well considering tge aggressive geo ...the bad, its a really heavy and unforgiving frame . The seat position is really uncomfortable on longer rides ,it's the only bike I've ever had where it feels like the bottom bracket is behind the seat when peddling, the paint Finnish and durability is terrible. The gx drivetrain is paired with a nx cassette so not 52 tooth. Shifter is mounted on the breaks as is the reverb lever which is nice. Reverbs a 175 which is also nice .
Interesting you had that experience with it being so uncomfortable for you, mine fits me great and I regularly am on long-ish rides and in the saddle for a while. It is a bit heavy tho, as you say 👍🏻
@@joshdesj I switched all the components over to a ragley big al frame in the end as wiggle were doing them crazy cheap , suits me a lot better than the dave . I only use a hardtail for winter riding , usually ride a nukeproof reactor.
@@michaelsturgeon5210 love the Nukeproofs as well. Really cool bikes. Had a Commencal meta ht prior to the hello Dave… loved it but I always felt a little cramped on it.
Thanks for sharing your experience on it man!
Don't know if it exists in the usa, but the radon cragger costs 1200$, has a bomber z2 fork, xt drivetrain, sunringle boost wheels, maxxis dhf and dhr2 tires, Magura MT Thirty 4 piston brakes and a dropper. The other components are either from shimano or e13... it's a crazy deal
Oh sick, thanks for sharing!!
I built my Marino hardtail for under 2K. But I did go budget on some parts.
That’s awesome!! I really want to build up a Marino! How do you like the frame? Did you do custom geometry?
I have a on one hello Dave they amazing bikes for the money upgrades due soon
Picked up The Growler 50 2022 on sale (20%) and it's just dialed in
Nice! That’s a super rad bike!
8:33 wait, the vitus sentier is a... xc bike? Maybe its just me but i thought it was an enduro hardtail? Cool video though for sure! ❤
Thanks man! Maybe “trail” hardtail would be more appropriate, but the high seat tube, short reach and *relatively* steep headtube at 66.5 degrees is a lot more XC leaning than the other bikes in this video, in my opinion at least
Marin San Quentin best bike out there!! I only ride stairs/urban downhill. I don’t think people will ever accept the sq as best hardtail
Ill accept it as the best hardtail, tryin to get all the sq3 frames lol
@@cf9590 love it! I ride a 2 the blue one- I really want the new one since it’s more slack.
A hard tail is a great option if your local terrain is not too rough. Full suspension is still worth the money with lockouts. Even cross country suspension specs is better overall than hardtail. For most folks and entry level riders they area great and still fairly capable. Riding a fully rigid mtb will make you better rider provided the terrain isn't crazy rough.
Interesting opinion! I’d say it’s the entry level rider who needs full suspension on technical terrain. A skilled rider can haul ass and (IMHO) have more fun while doing it on a hardtail. Check out this video to see me racing downhill on my hardtail and beating riders on full blown DH and enduro rigs: czcams.com/video/yJJLpIJMYYo/video.html
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy not everyone may be as skilled as you. While I do agree with you, personally I have taking more interest in comfort over speed. I know back in the day rigid single speed would beat some riders with gears and suspension. At the end of the day it come down to having fun and choosing your weapon on choice :)
Absolutely, glad we have so many options!
How about the Bizango Pro Carbon?
$2,128.50 USD down to 1,547.27 USD!?
Qrcycles has it on special.
I went with the VRS due to the specs and postage was a killer
Seems like a good deal of you’re looking for more of XC bike!
2023 Trek Roscoe 8❤
surprised ragley didn’t make the cut got a marley and it’s awesome. got it cheap aswell for 765 quid
was gonna say cus the vitus is cheaper but its the same price off sale so kinda surprised to than as i hear the vitus frames are harsh and i hear the ragleys are compliant. i also got a marley was 48% a couple of weeks ago only been able to go on 2 rides but thing is sick
Tons of good options out there, but I tried to pick a range that represented a wide variety of budgets and riders. I featured the Ragley Mmmbop in this video, check it out! czcams.com/video/OHY20bEKbs4/video.html
i'm 'new' to all these Hardtails.....would they also,..be Good to ride..on busy ..congested Big City's?
Not necessarily, their handling is optimized for steep, high speed riding. An XC bike would be better for in the city as it has a lot more agile geometry and more efficient pedaling
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy ..so what 'style' of Bike..would you guy's recommend...for more City riding..& the occasional 'Gravel' paths??
The stoic line up has been changed completely, new colours and specs
I'm brand new to the MTB world and ready to roll. I'm on budget under $1k and think I've narrowed down to Marin SQ1 and Polygon Xtrada 7. I'm 6' 3" and about 240lbs. Can you PLEASE help me make the right choice? If neither of those two, which bike do i pick?
Those are two great bikes, and I actually compared both in this video! Hopefully that will help you differentiate which is best for you! czcams.com/video/7tYajfbXCC0/video.html
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy I've watched the video. Just figured I'd see what your opinion would be given my size. I feel like the XT7 just has so much more going for it besides HTA. And only 27.5 on SQ1. I'm ready to pull trigger on XT7 @ $900 bikesonline plus $25 discount
@@keithe8351 they're both great bikes, depending on what your goal is. The Xtrada7 will be best for XC rides, where maintaining speed through tight terrain and up hills is important, where as the SQ1 caters more towards downhill speed and jumping, but won't be as nimble at slower speeds. If you go with the Xtrada7 from BikesOnline it would be a huge help to our channel if you purchase it using our affiliate link. You'll pay the same amount, but I'll earn a small commission: bikesonline-usa.sjv.io/5gaD6D
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy I'll definitely use your link. The main thing I like about X7 over SQ1 is the thru axle instead of QR. I'd mainly be riding wooded trails but will find some trails with small jumps from time to time. I can still hit some small jumps with X7 right? And the X7 seems more "upgradable" no? Too foreign?
If you got a few extra bucks guerilla gravity pedalhead 500-1000 off depending on model
Always wanted to try one! How do you like it?
How does the Giant Fathom 1 compare to these?
Great bike at a killer value! But it leans a bit towards the XC side of the spectrum, whereas the bikes in this video are designed for more aggressive, enduro style riding
Growlers actually dont come with clarks, they say it comes with clarks for growler 20 and 40 but neither come with clarks (atleast from many many people i know who have it and from wha i seen all over redddit and YT), my growler 20 came with shimano mt401 calipers and shimano mt4100 levers, honestly pretty cool. Love my growler!
Good to know, thanks for sharing! Ya it can very quite a bit based on region and supply chain availability. Sounds like it's probably an upgrade though so no complaints there!
Don’t knock those tyres on the hello Dave, yeah they are heavy but I run them on my Planet X bike and they are grippy as hell👍
Good to know, thanks!
I like my on one 45650b
Let’s you know how much these main box name bikes price gouge us in parts spec. Seeing how much the Dave bike costs.
I mean that thing is an insane deal; but ya you’re definitely paying for the name when you by from the big guys
you also missed all the Ragely bikes on sale at chain reaction for all under 1$400usd
Tons of good options out there, but I tried to pick a range that represented a wide variety of budgets and riders. I featured the Ragley Mmmbop in this video, check it out! czcams.com/video/OHY20bEKbs4/video.html
Orbea Laufey
It went together easily in less than an hour. czcams.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Make sure the front fork is forward or the pedals will hit the front tire. Tires are both a little soft so it needs air before I ride it. The rear wheel didn't come with a clamp regular bolts hold it on. The front had the clamp. No scratches out of box. Rims are a little off with a slight wobble. They could have spent more time with the spoke tool fixing the run out. So far out of the box I'm happy with it. I did replace the pedals with a nice aftermarket set. After riding it a bit my A$$ is a bit sore so I ordered another seat. Overall I'm nearly 60 and didn't ride a bike in 30 years. I like my new 29" Schwinn. It will be used for casual rides with my friend.
Not sure, sorry!
I'd tried a mullet growler. Don't worth the risk of doin that. The BB Height is too low with 29er. Mixed wheels just make it unastable
Interesting, I’m surprised to hear that! It’s actually got the same BB drop as the San Quentin, which is a full 27.5 bike. Thanks for sharing your experience with it!
Yup, the growler actually feels too low in stock configuration lol
I gotta start a gofund for you to get the hello dave and to cure your scratchy throat voice😂
Lol thanks man 😂
Kona Honzo ESD, Kona Honzo ST, Saracen Zenith LSL, Santa Cruz Chameleon
What a quiver!!
isnt the nukeproof scout superior against these bikes?
The Scout is a super rad bike, and I’ve featured some of the build tiers on this channel. But the spec on the “Race” model isn’t great; no dropper post, Recon RL fork, etc.
Roscoe 8 👌👌👌👌
What about the salsa timberjack?
Great bike, but sadly not under $2,000 USD. I featured it in this buyers guide though! czcams.com/video/7iaF3D5JvGA/video.html
I got my timberjack slx for $1700 that’s why I asked
That’s a steal, nice find! List price is $2,100
The canyon though
I like my 2022 - 23 GT Avalanche Sport and its still under 1000 dollars
Had the 2021 Avalanche Comp for awhile (same frame) bike was a beast, but had to up grade everything to make it that way. Put over a $1000 in parts. But Stock it’s beginner level at best especially the Sport model. But who cares! Enjoy your bike homie!💯
That hello Dave is 1299 British pounds, that's $1600 roughly, so not the cheapest but still a great deal
Math error 🤦♂️ Thanks for the catch!
No Norco torrent line up??
Love the Torrent, but not under $2k. The Fluid HT isn’t the best value compared to the others on this list
Cannondale Habit 1
Hadn’t been released yet haha, but yes, if I remade this video today it’d likely be in there 👌
@@ridingwithjoshandwendy I LOVE IT!!! Habit, so amazing
Clarks are decent. The clouts are better than my tektro drako brake set.
Good to know!
Best HT under $5K.... LOL, you can buy two HTs easy for 5 large. I ride a Stache, but have to admit, so many great options in the $2k range today. New geo is enticing 😊
I wish Marin made a comparable 29er to the San Quintin.
I set mine up as a mullet and loved it! Check out the video here: czcams.com/video/XQJdif6jN7Q/video.html
Nukeproof Scout is going for 900! How"s that for cheap.
Insane deal!!
Calling 439mm chainstays long on a 29er bike is a bit exaggerated isnt it id say thats nice and short for a 29 back end
Maybe on a full suspension bike, but 29” hardtails tend to be around 420-435. The vitus w/ 439 mm chainstays is the second longest on this list
It's a biased opinion but I'd pick my Ragley Mmmbop over the San Quentin
Tons of good options out there, but I tried to pick a range that represented a wide variety of budgets and riders. I featured the Ragley Mmmbop in this video, check it out! czcams.com/video/OHY20bEKbs4/video.html
where are you seeing the prices? one one hello dave is between $2300 and $2400 they're nowhere close to $1350
Sale is sadly over 😕
Sub and like. Thanks. I have a video idea. Do a video of the best hard tails from the past 7 years or something. The is year marin. Then your last years top pick and so on.... :) thanks
That’d be dope! Thanks for the sub and the great idea!
In uk we are limited with bikes and colors , can’t anyone in USA adopt me ?
What do you mean you don't have 1300 laying around? Paycheck to Paycheck?
What's going on with people?
Oh I have much more than that saved; emphasis on saved, not to be haphazardly thrown at a bike. If I spent like that then I probably would be living paycheck to paycheck lol, too many good bikes out there!
For those looking at the Virus Ive heard those WTB wheels are pretty weak and prone to faliure. Something to keep in mind.
Interesting, never had an issue with mine!
Instead get Bianchi nitron 9.4 carbon and change shifter to Shimano xt, brakes to Shimano xt for 2k eur.
That’s great for XC, but very different than the bikes on this list, check out my XC buyers guide here! czcams.com/video/sHy8xoi94nY/video.html
I hate the pricing of the bikes, as Im Mexican living in Mexico, they actually are most expensive here than the currency conversion, and we wouldnt be able to buy in the US without proper import fees, taxes, and shipping. And the worst part is income differences, average salary per year, a manager alike, could be around 10 000 dollars here (I tend to earn more than that), most of the people earn so much less than that, and I think in USA average could be 40 to 50 thousands, anyways, is so uneven, buying a bike what represents to people here to people in the US, a whole diferent picture
Ah bummer, sorry to hear that man!!
Hey my little jibs and tricks aren’t silly 😜😜
Haha no they’re not, and if anyone tells you otherwise they’re liars! Jibs are life 🤘😂
Literally the inky person I've ever seen complain about the seat tube on the Stoic. Sam Pilgrim seems to ride this bike and other bikes with much taller seat tubes with no problems
You must not watch many hardtail reviews than lol, it’s a pretty common complaint. Pilgrim’s a lot better than me lol, I need all the help from good geometry I can get!
That's in British pounds not Usd
Trek roscoe 7 destroys these
Maybe on XC trails lol
For 2k you get carbon frame bike, not these heavy al bikes.
Why do you want a carbon bike?
Schwabley 😂😂😂
lol I’ve since learned 😂
Peasant priced bikes.
That’s how I like em!
You recommend the bike named after meth use??? Horrible marketing plan 😂
And which bike is that?
Dropper Post on a Hardtail? You have got to be kidding me. Those guys have got everybody suckered into buying dropper posts!! What a Gimmick and they are taking it to the bank!! Now days most people wouldn't ride a hardtail on any trail that would be that difficult. The whole industry is brainwashed to think they need a dropper post on every mountain bike that is sold.
What’s the difference between hardcore trail bike and xc trail bike (hardtail)
Biggest difference are the geometry and fork travel. XC bikes are designed to be the fastest possible climbers, whereas aggressive/hardcore hardtails have a larger priority on descending/jumping