I FINALLY Got One! - Canyon Stoic 4 First Look - My Most Requested Hardtail Review
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2023
- The Canyon Stoic 4 has been my most requested Hardtail Review on the channel. After trying to get one in for years, I finally was able to get one. Today we take a first look and get up close to see what this bike is all about. Canyon was one of the original direct to consumer companies that don't have dealerships across the world. This model has made them extremely popular for people who are looking for some of the best components for the price. Today we take a deep dive into this bike's geo, spec, and what makes it unique.
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Love that matte green, agreed. Glad you finally got one in, looking forward to the ride. Thanks for taking the time! 👍🏽❤
Canyon does a pretty good job with their packaging and what they provide to build it up. If you don’t have a stand the box acts as the stand to build the bike. Their little torque wrench now lives as part of my emergency bike kit in my truck. And, I agree on the tubes in the tires. Love that a 2.8 or even 3” tire fits!
Good breakdown. Not over hyped. Clear and concise.🙌🏾
Great first look 👀!!! Looking forward to your review hearing the pro’s and con’s and how it stacks ups vs the 80 other hard tails your tested!!! 👍👍
Finally we get to see the Stoic! Great job Steve on the review! Just ordered my Stoic 4 (2023 version) a month ago when it was on sale for 1590$. That price is ridiculously cheap when you think for the most bikes you pay few hundreds more and get worse parts. I think only Vitus is offering better spec for the money but the geo is not that modern. So this had me having doubts about the bike being that cheap. Haven’t gor time to properly test it but i can’t wait for your review.
Can’t wait for the ride review. Looks like a sweet bike!
Can't wait for the ride video! Love to get your insights on this. I am not in the market for this right now, but still curious!
Thanks! I just bought a Hardtail and learned a lot watching you talk about the build.
Nice review! Just got mine in Friday! I live it. Great bike! 💪🏼
You’ve inspired me to purchase my first mountain bike 6 months back and I’m so excited to go out riding after typing this! You once said to go with a frame you really really want and can look forward to upgrading in the future. Great advice
Welcome to the exciting world of MTB. I'm glad to hear you're loving it.
What a great timing for this video, I have just ordered my Canyon Stoic 2 two days ago, I have been waiting for sometime now for you to make this video, I’m really looking forward to see what you think on your first ride with this bike. Great work.
Yeah. Been waiting for this. I am very close to buying this bike. Looking forward to your ride review.
Looking forward to the ride review always good video content keep up the good work 👏
I really look forward to the trail ride. I love watching these rides. I keep learning so much. You are a really good rider. Sedona looks like a blast. And thanks to you, I think I could have so much fun riding there. Though, I would walk some of the harder parts! 😃
I have that bike for 2 years now and it can handle more than I initially thought. I live in the Canary Islands - steep climbs and steep, rocky descends. Because of the steep climbs I searched for a capable Hardtail and I have to say that it blows me away. You almost can throw anything you want at it. It fits me perfectly- that said, I have the opposite body composition than Steve - short torso and long legs. I am super stoked for your riding opinion.
2 things I do not like: it is quiet heavy and the inner cable routing rattles…
Keep up the good work!
Finally! Well done Steve ❤❤
Interesting walk-through. I had the Stoic on my shortlist together with the Nukeproof Scout and the NS Eccentric. Ended up buying the NS Eccentric 29 Alu frame a few weeks ago, as Canyon was not ready to sell a frame only and because the Eccentric was just too good a bargain to ignore for a brand-new frame.
@hardtailparty have you ever considered reviewing the NS Eccentric, maybe both the Alu and CroMo versions back to back?
I thank you for the big tyre test🔥🔥🔥
I’m glad you finally got this one in. I’m interested in your opinion stoic 4 vs Roscoe 8/9
Can't wait for the ride review!
Excited to see how this compares to a Roscoe or a Scout. I’ve been eyeing several bikes but those are on my short list atm.
Great unboxing, looking forward to the ride test.
Will you have the updated ragley frames in for testing (Marley 290, Big Al and/or Mmmbop)?
I really want to review those, but no luck yet.
Great unboxing, really interested in this bike, are you going to be going a ride review?
Love the video. I have watched this one twice as I just bought a Canyon Stoic 3 a week ago. I got it on sale for $1100 + free shipping which seemed like a steal. So far I really like it and have only made a few small changes- Fooker pedals, PNW grips, a Rockbros saddle and converted it to tubeless. I wonder if Canyon watched your video as my was taped and ready to go for tubeless. Just needed some valves
I also have Stoic 3 and got on sale for same price as yours. I didn’t know it is taped. I will have to look.
The cheaper options are great too! I'm using my Stoic 2 as a winter bike and it's really potent with a few tweaks and upgrades
Stoic 2 is one of the best deals you can get, imo. Shimano Deore with an air fork for $1100? That's pretty insane in 2023
They were on sale for $900 back in February. I snatched one up for my kid, it's a killer bike when paying under a grand. I already had a dropper and stuff I needed to set it up tubeless too.
@@cjohnson3836ha, I got one for 715€
This is a bike I’ve been waiting for Steve to review. It seems to be rarely available though. Maybe it’ll be in stock more often now since the supply chain hopefully is getting better.
Nice. Putting a Pike Select on that is a smart spec. That is a great fork. It can support a 150 mm air spring if needed.
awesome, where did you get that color? WOW
agreed about the seat tube length being a bit tall. on mine, the bike felt too tall even with the dropper all the way down. it was hard to get out of the way of that seat on descents - that was my only real complaint with the bike. also - wish i'd known that you were supposed to trim those bars! they did indeed feel ridiculously long, and i was like "this can't be right." FWIW I was very happy with Canyon's support and they are a good company to work with in general.
will consider your patreon for my next purchase. good content as always.
Part of it is that long 170mm dropper they put on, which is awesome.
Looking forward to your thoughts after getting a ride in! Been eyeing it for a while now
I’ve had this bike for a year and it’s been everything I wanted. I did upgrade the derailleur and shifter to GX. Been waiting for this review from you and curious what your thoughts will be once you get it out on the trail. Enjoy it!
Have the storm grey cheaper version with sx but I don't upgrade till it's broken as there's absolutely nothing wrong with SX.
I see and hear guys from a distance awfully shifting with their much more expensive components.😅
It hurts my ears lol.
It just takes some skill to silently shift, especially while going uphil.
Actual Geo measurements. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Sick setup. 11:12
Informative vid. Thanks. Can I ask what your inseam is?
28"
Cool. This bike was on my list, didn't buy it though. But I'm looking forward for the ride review. Interested how its weight will affect the ride feel. Good review Steve. 👍
Like the slightly too long cables/hoses on Canyon bikes. It's allowed me to add riser bars/stems to better fit the rider, without redoing 4+ cables/hoses.
Love my roscoe 8. Currently adding gold accents to it. Gonna look sweet!
How did you get your hands on green, I thought they discontinued it
Great review!
What would you say about the Grand canyon 7? I ride some trails and urban MTB. I have a small resort near me which I'd love to ride confident.
Tubeless? Brakes? Suspension? I'm thinking of the S size because of the wheel size (i prefer 27 over 29)
Look forward to the ride review. That’s what counts.
do you find the medium size comfortable at your height?
Man I love this sage green color. On the site they only sell it in silver right now, any insight on if that will change or if this color is discontinued?
I think I got a 2022 model that is now replaced with silver.r
@@hardtailparty Thanks for the response. Yeah that's what I thought. Still an awesome bike!
Can't wait for the ride review. Hate that they put tubes and no tape in a tubeless ready setup. I already had extra tape and valves so made the swap on my kids Stoic 2 immediately and added a dropper. A week after I got the Stoic 2, the Stoic 4 went on sale for $1500 for a couple days. I was pissed because I would have paid $500 more for the Stoic 4. Been a great bike for my kid, been hitting trails with me, and it's been great for him so far.
I use the tools that came with his bike for almost everything. I have two sets from my Canyon Grail and keep the other one in my truck just in case I need to adjust something before I ride.
If it's the same saddle that's on the Stoic 2, it's complete garbage. Took that off after his first ride. Thankfully, I have tons of spare parts, but most people don't.
3.0 DHR didn't fit, I tried my wheel to test it out. 2.8 Rekon does fit.
I'm dying to hear the ride review. I'm days away from ordering a new hardtail. Right now I'm torn between the Nukeproof Scout race and the Stoic 3. This would be for Michigan trails
Oh man! That thing looks gooood!!
Excited for this one.. got it last year on a 6 month waiting list.. it was a battle between the stoic and the scout but i pull the trigger on the stoic due to the color and the rear wheel clearance..
Congrats on getting one, they're tough to find in stock.
The best color even. Cant wait to see the first impression ride.
Is that a 2022 color? I only see silver now.
I have a Banshee Paradox V3 after Steve reviewed it. Pike Ultimate 150 mm with Honcho Teravail 2.60 both front and rear. Best mountain bike i have ever had.
I ordered the stoic 4 on sale in april. I got a xxs because im a gnome😂
It got delivered with rim tape and valves. But im still running tubes for now.
The dropperpost lever is my only thing i would want to change but im cheap and dont want to spend 70 euro's or more for the big brand stuff.
I am massively overbiked with the stoic but i hope to make that up over the years. I do love my wheelies though.
In the bag, there should have been some extra tubeless valves included by the way. Also here in Europe, they came with DT Swiss wheels and hubs.
There weren't any in my bag unfortunately. It sounds like most others received their tubeless valves, so that's good to hear.
I seriously considered ordering this bike as it was a great price and I loved the colour. I went with a trek roscoe 7 though as it was local. Super excited for you!! 😊
I ride a Santa Cruz carbon highball. It’s like a 2016 or something I love that bike. I am just going to be updating it instead of getting a new frame. I’m gonna go with a new wheel set and some new cranks and a group set.
The newer version came out a few months ago. Not many changed besides deore drivetrain and brakes. Also has a $1899 MSRP.
Does this bike ride more harsh then the Rocky Growler?
Just scooped a Ragley Blue Pig Race for 1800 new and I couldn’t be happier. My buddy just purchased the stoic 3 so hopefully I can get a rip on it
Man it's beautiful, never ridden a Sram eagle drivetrain, and I would love to run the DB8 brakes instead of the dot fluid brakes.
Just got the 2023 version and it's amazing.
I am also thinking about getting it for my first bike. Would that be good option? The thing is that i just don’t like the silver color on the new model
Cool bike...
I had one when canyon introcuded them. Nice looking, super stiff, a little low quality finish and inconstant geo... almost like enduro hardtail with 140 - 150mm fork but very low stack that creates issues when going DH.... and veryyyyy long reach and top tube. Canon M is others bikes L.
After year on Canyon Stoic I swapped frame for Commencal Meta HT... same stiff, better quality finish and proper high stack + Commencal you can ride 27.5 , mullet or full 29.
But this Stoic was cool trail hardtail for long rides... but then issue was how stiff was frame... for endure is cool to have overbuild but for long trail riding it was exhausting sometimes + saddle was extreme uncomfortable. LOL
😊
Love your channel hardtail party 🙌🏼
I actually have wondered if the tubes are installed to keep the tubeless tape compressed and help it adhere to the rim better? Assuming the rim is taped properly (clearly not in this case). After having some recent tubeless issues with stubborn carbon rims, the tube-on-tape overnight definitely helps the tape out before you put sealant in. An extra step but saves me hours of cursing leaky rims and my rim tape jobs.
Would you say stoic is a enduro bike which is similar to commencal meta HT or growler? Any difference between the bikes?
Boy, this is going to be a long week waiting!
Is guess I do not suffer from gear acquisition syndrome as I still enjoy my Giant hardtail from 1997 or so and ride it almost everyday. Thanks for the look at what a hardtail looks like these days.
14:50 Do note that if you size down to a small, the bike will come with, & probably only fit, 27.5 wheels/Tires and not 29ers. Which will make it handle differently, no matter the similar geometry (& no matter what Canyon says).
Other manufacturers make perfectly usable 29er bikes for smaller riders with very, very similar geometry; I believe this design choice is actually a flaw in the sizing lineup of most Canyon models not just the Stoic.
Greeeat! I was wondering why you had not reviewed this beast yet. At least in Europe that bike is a steal. And they regularly are at a discount. And not only that, if you order it and it gets discounted or further discounted in the following days, they gave you the amount of the discount back this was my case, so direct knowledge). I think that is outstanding customer service. The bike is heavy but sturdy and strong as it should because it is meant for the rough side of things. Check the rotor size too. My only wish is half a cm longer chainstay, and 1 cm longer headtube in the XL size. That green color and the shape are beautiful. I am loving mine. Looking forward to the full review!
How often do they go on sale? I saw there had been one about a month ago and unfortunately I couldn’t buy it in time. So I was wondering how much longer I need to wait haha
@@costalcuits discounted right now, atleast in europe 🤭
@@an0nym0ust10 yes I saw that! I checked right after posting the comment and boom it was right there haha
@@costalcuNOW!!
During the Covid days, this was the first bike I tried to buy. Not a chance! I was miraculously able to get a Ragley mmmbop for $1699. Waaaay better bike for much less money. Stoic is still a cool bike, thanks Steve.
Thats a sweet bike!
When I change´t to tubeless, I didn't realist the rim strips weren't tape`t. Absolutely no problem with airloss. Still haven't change`t them at the front.
The NX drivetrain isn't a supply chain issue that is last year's model which by default comes with NX. The Current year model comes in silver and it also has DT swiss rims
Makes sense. I've been seeing some companies swap deore and NX on some builds. Thanks for the clarification.
Interesting that canyon would send last year's model for a review. Oh well, the frame and fork are the same which is the heart and soul of a bike.
My stoic 4 2022 last year came with tubes but the DT Swiss wheels came taped and valves within canyons tool pack.
I'm betting they substituted out a few parts through the years due to shortages and i got unlucky to end up with one that didn't have taped rims. Probably a fluke, as it sounds like most others had tubeless ready rims.
Was one of my top options, ended up with a Devinci Kobain and love it
Glad to hear it.
Any chance of reviewing some of those dartmoor frames?
I was going to buy canyon but ended up with my orbea Alma M50, canyon would be my next bike choice but the orbea 8 years on has been absolutely brilliant.l
I was in the fence ordering this a few days ago, but I didn’t like the silver paint job, so I ordered a Stoic 2 on a size smaller than my fit, just to see how it feels ridding a smaller bike.
The limited color options is, so far, the only thing I disliked about the canyon bikes I ordered. That green color doesn’t seem to be available in the 2023 Stoic 4, only the silver. I also didn’t like the red of the Stoic 3. But boy, I loved the colors on the Stoic 2. I would have ordered the white frame had it been available, but there was only one bike in stock. Still, the black Stoic 2 is pretty cool and it’s also great value.
Had the stoic 3 and loved it, just sold it to upgrade to a spectral full sus. The stoic was a great introduction for me into mountain biking 😊
Im thinking of ordering one to start riding mtb. Is it worth it? Feels like the best bang for buck right now with 21% discount atm.
@@maxhakansson6173got one?
I ordered a Canyon and it did come with tubeless valves. Check the little bag of goodies again, should be in a little zip loc bag.
I'll take my 2021 Giant Fathom over this any day. I only ride a few times before upgrading the complete group set and I couldn't imagine anything better for what I have into it.
It would be great to see the review of Canyon Grand Canyon as well as their alternative XC-ish offering.
I've actually got one in for review too. I'm not a fan of the qr rear axle though.
@@hardtailpartyit's often on sale for $500 or around $550. At those prices I think that's fine but at full price a thru axle would be nice.
Yeah I forgot it's still on qr. I wish they finally updated it like it's electric sibling Gran Canyon:ON. 2023 version got different geo than previous model.
Stuff that I don’t think is mentioned is that the “bike guard” bike box (the very same box that every bike ever sold comes in) is an additional £18 on top
of the shipping costs.
The saddle sucks and the cable routing through the frame is pretty awful. Sharp edges to rip into cables.
I love that you break down everything. From parts, to geometry and seeing what tire size can fit. I always just thought a bike is a bike. But no. You can't even compare my nukeproof to the kent I used to ride. So much better in everyway and a lot safer lol. You have the best hard tail channel. I wish you nothing but success.
would love to see a review of the Wicked Fat Chance Ti !
I'm game to review any modern hardtail.
Love the words in the box saying welcome to a community....and then say hello to another...the I'm broke, hungry,starving, no home, no clothes community....but hey....ya got a....nice bike.
Wow.
I had a Stoic 3 in 2021. Saddle and grips are all the same on the Stoics, and they are scrap. I you want to buy a Stoic, spare some extra money, because you need to buy a new saddle and grips immediately. And pull out these super heavy Kenda tubes that Canyon puts in. Switching to Schwalbe Aerothan tubes almost saved me 500g (!) of weight. Going tubeless wasn't an option because I read a review in an online magazine once, saying that those Alexrims are not safe enough for a tubeless setup.
Alexrims wheels were very solid, but heavy. The overall bike was very heavy - way more heavy than Canyon indicated on their website, so I felt a little betrayed. Dropper post broke while on my the third longer tour. It took 2 weeks since Canyon gave an initial feedback for the warranty stuff, but then they replaced the whole thing without hesitation (expect long shipping times if you are not in Germany).
Overall a heavy, but solid bike. I rode it at the bike parks, too, and I always had the feeling that my riding skills were not enough to fully pushing the bike to its limit. I sold the bike last year and have a fully now, but I wish I wish I had kept it as a tour or winter bike.
Yes!!!🎉
Also, I messaged Ragley asking them to send you their updated Marley and Big Al frames 😊.
@@politan83 Thank you. Fingers crossed, I'd love to ride their new frames.
Is the 2023 model updated in any way? It’s sad they ditched this color for the update.
One bonus for the Roscoe 8 is that it comes tubeless which saves you some trouble and money. But yeah I really wish it had a Pike or Yari.
I'm just starting out on the Roscoe 8. Been riding since April of this year and started on the Marlin 6. Haha kind of a mistake, should've went with the Roscoe at first. I feel like the fork is fine for only riding a few months. The hub sounds so good!
The roscoe 8 is banging deal! It’s lighter with lower level fork. The marzochi 2 fork can be had for $450.
I think you could sell the roscoe frame faster then the canyon if you were doing a new build. Let’s see how he rates it.
@@YoungBoom3rhaha, I also started on a Marlin 6 in April and am feeling the same way about it as you. I wasn't sure whether I'd actually stick with the sport (I've started A LOT of hobbies only to lose interest after 2 weeks) so I'm trying to cut myself some slack for sticking to a tight budget while testing the waters. And I've also been looking at the Roscoe 7/8 as the next step up.
Bummer this bike (the Stoic 4) only seems to be available in silver at the moment because I really like the olive green in the vid
Thats a 5 minute fix....
Yari 💪
I think tubes in the tires makes sense for a company that sells direct to the general public. Not everyone has a pump for tubeless tires, or the knowhow. In fact, I suspect most customers don't. This way, you can at least get the bike built and rolling. You can take it to the LBS for tubeless options.
I disagree. At this price point and fir its intended rider, a lack of tubeless is a poor decision by Canyon.
Just bought the trek Roscoe 7 after deciding between the two. Decided that getting over the bike and test riding it first is important, so bought the trek from my local shop.
Nothing beats a test ride to make sure a bike handles the way you want.
@@hardtailpartythank you! Thats what i thought too
@@hardtailparty I’d be curious to hear your compare and contrast between the Roscoe and the Stoic. I’ve had my eye on the Stoic for some time now.
@@BikesNotDrugs that's the type of thing I do over on Patreon. I'm always happy to help people with comparisons over there. Patreon.com/hardtailparty
@@hardtailparty definitely. Once the budget aligns I’ll hit you up.
What about the front? Can you fit a 3.0 ?
What about the Neuron 7?? Is that a good price/value bike?? Would you get it for a review even though it a fully...just wanna know your oppinion...cheers!!
I ride a lot of full suspension bikes, but not on the channel. This channel is dedicated to hardtails.
which size is that wonderful bike?
I got the canyon grand canyon and kinda regret not getting a stoic. Especially if green is available.
Is nx any better these days? Have destroyed more of these than any other and now refuse to get anything less than gx derailleur because it costs more to own nx than gx. Great seeing it put together from box!
I don't think they've changed for years now. I'm curious what's causing yours to get destroyed. Impacts, or just falling apart due to shifting under load, or something else?
@@hardtailparty doubt it’s shifting under load, my slx, xt, and gx are all running fine after years with just normal maintenance and a decent number of kms on em all. If is is any load it’s no different than the others. Xt of course is way better these days at that but slx and gx not. Lbs also mentioned they have more nx and more play on them and friends have had the same. Small sample size and on past nx so not sure. Maybe one day we’ll have nx axs transmission trickle down tech.
my dream bike
The Stoic 4 last year was NX, so either you got an older one or like you said with supply issues.
I'm betting this is last year's model. This arrived at my place two weeks ago.
It’s a great price but it still costs me 350 bucks to ship it to my country. That makes it a lot more expensive than the Roscoe 8. I’d be interested to hear that comparison.
Seat tube slot on the side - never seen that before. They couldn't put it on the front to keep the filth out due to the ugly gusset on the over-tall tube. Nice looking bike, hope you don't snakebite! 🤞
What about lizard skins for the stanchion's when you crash?
Wait till you have to work on the head set, I have one and the headset was the first problem, after that was the welds that gave up and the frame just turned into a pile of tubes.
I didn't had a lot of problems with it because I disassembled everything, the thing was bone dry.
That assembled in cambodja sticker was a huge red flag, every single torque spec was far out.
I have the stoic 3 (love the wine red) but i have to upgrade the sram sx to the nx or even gx. But everything else is a dream for that price.
Is it good for the City too i want to buy it love the Red one too looks so amazing
When u gonna review the ride? 🤙
I thought the tubes were installed to protect the rims during transportation? Since the tires aren't inflated.
Plus, it’s one less thing that has to be tied down to keep it from bouncing around in the crate.