What is the Logic Plague?
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- What is this 'Logic Plague' that seems to come up in every single one of my videos? What is its history? How does it infect its victims? Are there any variations of it? All are answered within this video :)
Next video will be a summary of the entire Precursor race - from their earliest history to their latest, their relations with the Flood and their possible impacts on the very near-future of the Halo universe.
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"I have beaten fleets of thousands! Consumed a galaxy of flesh and mind and bone!"
-The Gravemind
"There you ARE! hiding without a casket" best line from the gravemind's henchmen.
Cortana probably has Logic Plague. She got it embedded in her during Halo 2-3 when she was with the Gravemind. In Halo 5, she easily persuaded many AI to side with her.
Demiclea Cortona is human ai not forerunner
It’s not too crazy to believe that a whole lot of AI’s would join her. They the ones in charge now. No more being treated like they’re fancy calculators by their human creators. Also, Cortana offered them a cure to rampancy. Not only can they now live for more than a meager 7 years, the AI’s are now functionally immortal.
Callum Farrington But she was created with Forerunner technology on Reach.
Halsey’s lab is located at a Forerunner site and Halsey’s says as much
@@stahl1624 true but she's not nearly on the level of an ancilla. Also should be noted that just like the Didact the Flood doesn't need to totally turn you. They only need you to play the role it desires. The Flood probably literally plays 5D chess in its head for spare time.
I got some pretty sexual vibes between the two
So basically the Logic Plague is essentially a very convincing argument from the Flood to the AI.
A way to hand wave that the flood wouldn't be able to infect ai
@@jacksonklark6119 What do you mean?
@@bensonabernathy4664 ai aren't biological so they flood wouldn't be able to infect them and use their biomass and memory's. The creators needed the flood to be more op. So they made logic plague
@@jacksonklark6119 Oh yeah makes sense.
@@jacksonklark6119 The Logic Plague affects biological minds as well. Like how the Gravemind spoke to Chief in a mind to mind communication.
The Logic Plague is a side effect of that contact if the mind cannot withstand the it.
The Didact was infected with it in Halo 4. He said all the same lines the Gravemind did in the previous games, just as Cortana did in Halo 5, and were used as a marker of that infection.
I believe the cortana we see in Halo 5 is in fact a rampant shard that was infected with the logic plague when she was in contact with the gravemind. From what we know the plague isn't always instantaneous and can in many cases take decades of time before an AI fully succumbs to its effects. Cortana probably would have tried to confine the plague to one of her emerging rampant shards and then suppress it as long as possible. When Cortana released her rampant forms into the Didacts ship the infected rampant shard of her personality escaped by uploading itself to another location which would have been easy given the technology on the didacts ship. It is possible the original cortana thought she and all her rampant forms would simply be destroyed when the ship blew up. I think in halo 6 we will see the return of the flood and cortana perhaps realizing that is in fact a plague infected AI that is playing into the graveminds hands but there will be nothing she can do about it.
wow this actually makes halo 5s story look a lot fucking better. it actually makes sense and its happened before in the halo universe. maybe 343 knows what there doing. hopefully they can execute it better in 6 tho as 5s execution was dog shit. but i like this direction there going. and hopefully cortana doesn't die cause she's bæ and I want her and master chief to be happy.
You will be so happy about Halo Infinite
@@shaggy7087 ...
@@operationd--msday i jinxed it
@@shaggy7087 "You just had to open your mouth"
A.i: Exists
Gravemind: It’s free real estate
red pill time
Halo 6, we need Chief to find Mendicant Bias. Mendicant made it clear at the end of Halo 3 in the terminals, that he wanted to help the Chief. Mendicant is the only AI being with the power to take down Cortana and the Logic Plague. When on High Charity in Halo 2, Cortana had difficulty trying to access the Forerunner Key Ship because a fragment of Mendicants Core resided there and was fighting back. If she struggled with 1 fragment, and there are now potentially 3 or 4 fragments reunited in the Arks systems, Mendicant's strength will be more than a match. We need Mendicant Bias.
Mendicant is probably dead by now.
Yohanes Evan doubt it. he survived over 101,000 years since the first firing. I doubt the ring partially damaging the ark at the close of H3 would top him off.
Martin Smith Hmmmmm...
Anyone fancy a look at my story? Also Mendicant's, in it's way:
www.fanfiction.net/s/11580757/1/HALO-Begging-After-Knowledge (part 1 of 2)
Chris sonofPear won’t lie, that was very compelling, especially for a fan fiction.
is it possible that cortana was "infected" by the logic plague when she was at high charity in halo 3, because if it is possible, that could explain why she became the enemy in halo 5, and some of her rampancy in halo 4
XxDark slayerxX her ranpancy in halo 4 was due to her age, it was predicted when she was created that she'd only last about 5-6 years...
...by the events of halo 4 she's supposed to be 7 1/2. at which point her datacore and control matrix deteriorated to a point where she was unstable, however in 5 it seems the forerunner installations not only stabilized her condition but actually gave her a body,
It’s the only saving grace for Halo 5 and why Cortana turned which would make sense and make the game not seem like dogshit, hopefully that’s the path they take with Cortana and hopefully Atriox, Arbiter and Chief unite to stop her later on down the line.
Honestly, I believe back in CE and Cortana was put into the halo ring, was when her rampancy kinda started. Her time with the Gravemind really didn't do her any favors tho, for sure.
@@cheesaliciousable the domain is precursor not forerunner
@@jjankrom4398 and how can it still be accessed by the flood despite the halo rings neuro radiation which destroyed all sentient creatures specifically cause of their thinking, cause the flood thrives on new information, buuut the domain (also known as the organon the primordial technology/Artifact the Iso-didact was looking for.) is a neuro based memory storage system that’s somewhat alive. and the halo’s neuro based radiation wiped it out. So despite the flood being the direct corrupted form or natural form (the sweetness of the universe according to the precursor gravemind) how can they even access it?
Your videos are fantastic! You really deserve more exposure!
+BaconForDays 1713 Thanks man! Appreciate it :)
+HiddenXperia - The home of Halo 5 lore videos! It's amazing how quick you get your videos out with the amount of editing put into these!
+BaconForDays 1713 I also have finals at the moment, rip free time, but I value youtube as one of the most important things in my life and I love doing it, so it's absolutely worth it :)
Thanks for giving Covenant Canon a shoutout! I'm hoping that someday I'll be as popular as you and Halo Canon. I'm currently working on a biography on the Arbiter Thel 'Vadam. So stay alert!
For the Covenant!
+Covenant Canon No probs, you deserve the shoutout :)
Covenant Canon For the Covenant brother! FOR THE PROPHETS!!
For the Great Journey
I do deeply apologize I had to pause this video for a couple seconds to grab another beer. So that I could truly enjoy it to it's full potential.
Just watched a bunch of your videos. Such compressed lore knowledge... it's really showing me how vast the Halo universe really is, even if Bungie is no longer a part of it. You definitely earned my sub.
Protocol dictates action!
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@@mousecyr01 You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind.
“You are forerunner. But this ring, is MINE.”
I deeply enjoy your videos and channel where you and others actively look forward to the advancement of halo and its story. This makes me very happy as I actually enjoy this second story ark that 343i is developing. As always, good video.
each video just gets better and better. keep up the good work hiddenxperia
I lover your channel because you get straight to the point and your videos are very insightful and entertaining.
you know i offten wondered what will happen if the flood faced off vs the reapers vs the borg and i think this is one key factor in the floods favor in the fight
LOVEPHOENIXDANCER yeahhhh the flood would shit on both of them because of the logic plague. With the flood, the better technology and weaponry you have, the more screwed you are.
I need to read the forerunner trilogy as it is one of the few I have so far yet to read. There is so much I don't understand from that era and I feel like it somehow crosses over into other material I have already delved into
Been watching your channel grow of late, keep up the good work buddy!
+Conor Clarke Thanks man! :)
You're growing very fast well done!
I never knew this about the logic plague or its existence. Some scary stuff!
Great video! :D And thanks for shouting out Covenant Canon! Covenant is my type of Empire :) Miss the good ol' days when Covenant did rule them all...Good times
I love your videos but I wish you put them all in a playlist for easy watching
just a question,
if a Gravmind needs to enter the Domain to make a AI rampent, then the one in Halo 2 must have entered the Domain, because he made Penitent Tangent rampent and he fucked with Cortana
so the Domain was never destroyed like it should have been, when the Halo Rings were fired by the Forrunners
also great video
So close to 10k. cheers on that :D
Thanks, I REALLY wanted to know more about the Precursors!
I think you mentioned it in a previous vid, but at the end of Halo 5 when Cortana leaves with the guardian, her voice sounds a bit glitchy as if she has mild rampancy. So is Cortana infected with logic plague?
+Brandon Bohan That's her losing connection with Infinity as it warped lightyears away from the guardian she was speaking from.
Isn't it theoretically possible to reverse the logic plague through logical reasoning. You'd just have to be more convincing than the gravemind.
Nice video! The logic plague is definitely not something you want to mess around with.
Also, I find it funny that many people incorrectly say that the Gravemind corrupted Mendicant Bias, when really it was the Primordial. Then again, the Primordial was a kind of Gravemind.
I still don't find a lot of differences between them, or at least I don't know what is the differences
The current Gravemind retains the Primordial's intelligence.
Man. Watching these videos now, after Halo infinite has been out for a while and seeing the story that came out of it, all this knowledge just makes me sad for the story we inevitably got.
It's 12:35 AM currently, I could be sleeping, but I need to know more about the in depth lore of the Halo Universe.
I actually find your lisp to be rather enjoyable somehow. I guess it adds character.
The platform that the Didact is on at 3:11 looks like the Lesser Ark.
Honestly, I'm almost willing to bet Cortana "isn't" or "was not" infected by the logic plague. Instead she "figured it out" and uses something like it to persuade other AI's. but at the same time still holds her own loyalties and goals. Willing to let the flood "think" she's serving their interests, if it betters her. Dangerous game but we see this is some of her statements and actions where she almost looks like she's taking pleasure in messing with the flood.
Who else would be interested to hear and watch a conversation between a Gravemind and Halsey
i wanna see Johnson and Arbiter in the same room
that's how Cortana was evil in Halo 5
Yep, the Gravemind had mind-raped her.
@@bromodragone8405 Wtf
@@_Phen_ that's basically how it worked. The Gravemind has incredible telepathic power.
enjoying these videos. keep it up
+LT21Titans27 Thanks dude :)
Poor Cortana. I want to hug her. As for the Logic Plague, it's another reason why I say the Flood are based on Lovecraft. In Lovecraft's works if you get too close to the truth of who the old ones are you go mad. And that's basically what the Logic Plague was for the forerunner ancillas. Likewise Cortana was forced to experience pain well... she's a military AI. She's caused more than her share of it via guiding Chief.
what I find weird is that The Oracle said to Master Chief: "You ARE forerunner", just what the hell did he mean by that
John Oliva Also, the Oracle could have known that the Master Chief would be contacted by the Librarian's geas, which would actually evolve Chief and he wouldn't be quite human anymore.
The grave mind destroys ai with fact and logic
I FREAKING LOVE THIS CHANNEL!!!
+Mr19tjd Thanks man :)
Logic Plague is just straight up Elder Knowledge.
I found the logic plague
loneliness + alienation + fear + despair + self-worth ÷ mockery ÷ condemnation ÷ misunderstanding ⋅ guilt ⋅ shame ⋅ failure ⋅ judgment n=y where y=hope and n=folly, love=lies, life=death, self=Flood
I like how the logic plague corrupts AIs with literal philosophical logic, the same way great ideologies have been picked apart through philosophical logic in general history
Kinda reminds me of Scrap Code from 40K, except that’s basically just insanity in computer form.
Hey, what do you think about the ending to season 2 of Hunt the Truth? Do you have any ideas on how that might factor into things?
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Where do you have this :o ?
U need more exposure, u do good lore vidoes
I've learned something.
Liked
Awsome vid
What's the source material for the scenes in the video? Doesn't look like a cutscene from H3.
Could you do a video on keyminds please
I've got a theory,the halo 5 trailer in 2013 (in the desert work the guardin), people think it is the ark, but I've got another idea, it could be instalation 03, as it is described as having a desert like surface,any thoughts.
Is the greater ark still around or are there pieces cause then the flood lived they’re
Can the logic plague work on robots that are program driven? Or only things with an A.I?
Halo teaching the importance of the ethics behind data engineering better than any course in university
This is also what happened to Cortana, right?
So in a nuthsell it exploits how computer programs function, which is to say the "if - then" type of processes, by predicting which "if"s it has to fulfill in order to get the most beneficial "then" ?
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Made it to 12min before skipping. Imagine if it said that you have to watch the add to continue to the video
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Happy birthday :D
+Axel Otréus Happy B Day!!!
thx.
happy birthday!!! ..yeah i'm pretty late lmao
Happy birthday (:
HiddenXperia, do you believe that any of the following would be susceptible to the Logic Plague? Library Computer Access and Retrieval System, Soong -type androids,(Star Trek) Computer Assisted Biologically Augmented Lifeforem, LEGION/the Marked of Kane.(Command & Conquer)
is there some halo 3 remastered I missed out on??!??!
How do you not have more subs?
It's when you realise things you shouldn't know, and you become addictive to knowledge. THAT'S MY POINT.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN MORE ON THE JANUS KEYS !?!?!?
They explained it on the comics halo escalation, you can buy them or just google the summarys of them
Josiah Becker they're are basically the keys to checkmate. Whoever holds both of them will rule the Galaxy
Key Mind really be hitting these robots with "Fact check + ratio + L"
So basically, the 'logic plague' is just convincing someone you're right..
If Cortana is infected with the Logic Plague (I don't see how she was infected with it unless through the Domain, the problem becomes that she still retains her memories and wants to keep John safe) then that means the Flood is back (we have been told that the Flood is not coming back and they didn't appear in Halo 5) and the UNSC and The Swords of Sanghelios don't even know about it.
If The Flood is back then Cortana and the other Created are in big trouble because how will they maintain order if the Flood start consuming planets? I mean in the game Cortana explains that she wants AI's to be the shepherd looking over her flock of sheep or that sort of equivalent and if the Flood start consuming everything in the Galaxy then that would defeat her purpose would it not?
If the Gravemind pulled information from the Domain then that complicates things because the Domain is constantly changing due to new information being added each time a new user enters it, It has been said that no-one knows how much information is in the Domain and the Newest of Forerunners couldn't use it to look up information from when they first used the Domain because it got changed and it couldn't remember it properly.
Aren't you supposed to know?
the unsc is aware of remaining as seen by certain armor descriptions in halo 5
2020 still watching these vids. Blame my older brother he got me the 360
He is "hidden"Xperia
I think that Cortana has logic plague
hmm good point
Good god the flood are overpowered
The gravemind uses all the minds it possesses and guess what, that logic can reason and even manipulate. The gravemind wars psychologically since its can neurologically interface. Basically if a grave mind can bring up a good argument, he will win your mind over. Another point is that the grave mind doesn't have to kill you to still wage war on you psychologically. What I mean is he can convince you, and so far the last precursor (which is technically the only precursor/gravemind) could be a smokescreen specifically created by the flood! Wouldnt it be a shock that this whole time, the flood actually twisted events far in the past to get ppl to think precursors were real when in fact that was just the key minds ultimate state. To be able to twist and screw the entire galaxy, not just a planet and the precursor seems the likely scapegoat since its answers about the flood can make you suicide apparently.
Moral of the story a toaster should stay a toaster not a super computer because you wouldn’t want to have to put down your toaster cause it’s too smart
Interesting...
Quack quack
I am very well informed about the Halo lore, but what the hell is an Keymine ?
He said "Keymind". And a Keymind is essentially a super Gravemind.
I think you got the wrong link
the logic plague is essentially ''talk no jutsu'' lul
What if the prometheans were infected with the logic plague
you remind me of Sam Sadler... pins and needles
You and +3Gunsdown should collab.
The Forerunners needed better adversarial robustness systems for their AI.
LOGIC PLAGUE
Cortana: "Hey S, sorry that a** hole hurt you, but you're too good for him anyway. Forget about Spartans.. you should go out with Gravemind. He's smoking, smokin' hot and yet sooooo cool at the same time. Plus, he really knows how to use his....tentacles. Oh can he probe realllyyy deep into your.... mmmhhh my little binary heart is pounding just thinking about him. Now HE KNOW HOW TO MAKE A GIRL A PROMISE AND KEEP ON KEEPING ON!!"
Didn't the flood go extinct by the halo ring?
i know who can block the logic plague. its vigil from rainbow six seige. ERC-7
You know what would have made a great story, instead of the crap Halo 5 was? You mentioned Cortana being infected by logic plague, and how humans can still be infected by it. Remember in Halo 4 when Cortana copied herself multiple times at the end? What if apart of her was still inside Chief's neural implant, and it just so happens to be the remnant of logic plague? It would explain why he's going against orders and disobeying leaders. Would've made a hell of a lot more sense with Halo 5's marketing campaign than what we were left with.
Can the Logic Plague harm 'simple' computer codes like an operating system?
I say 'simple' because Windows 8 is not a highly complex and self-aware AI.
So the Gravemind was basically raping Cortana's mind?
what would happen if a flood infects a precursor?
the precursors are the flood
oh well I feel like a dummy
mudkip mania it creates a gravemind that isn't as big because it has more brain powers such was the case of the primordial
why wasn't offensive bias effected
God, some people need to shut the fuck up about 343. We still have halo because of them. Bungie jumped fucking ship and sold out. Thank you 343, for keeping one of my favorite game series well alive and interesting and not giving up on it!!! Even if there are WAY too many whiny, bitchy, halo "fans" out there. I will continue to support you guys through and through!
Cory Riley no. Bungie signed the rights away to Microsoft. They continued to make halo until they wanted to try a side project. Microsoft then gave the job to 343 and told bungie to go away.
Secondly, no one is going away. 343 needs the critics to make the damn game better. What they have made has been terrible. If they can't get their shit together, I would've preferred halo to end after reach.
Matthew Supples I kinda of agree good sir, tbh, I did like having it gone on after reach, and not in a shit way. And your right about the 343 crap...
The Logic Plague is The Game. You can't think about the Game, or you lose The Game.
The Primordial taught its discoverers about The Game. Some just shot themselves on the spot, and others were driven into insanity, like the Didact.
Mendicant Bias was taught about The Game. Since he was programmed to calculate and think at lightning speeds, a torturous thought played on loop over and over billions of times a minute from that point forward; "IJUSTLOSTTHEGAMEIJUSTLOSTTHEGAMEIJUSTLOSTTHEGA-". He killed billions out of anger for being brought into his horrible existance.
The forerunners decided to wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life in the hope that The Game could once again be forgotten, and life could start over fresh -and also to get rid of the Flood as a bonus.
When Mendicant Bias was discovered and accidentally turned on by the San Shyuum prophets on High Charity, he told the prophets about The Game. So horrified, the prophets felt it necessary to kill the humans it revealed to be the reclaimers out of fear that they may reveal The Game to The Covenant. They also found out that activating the rings would kill all life in the galaxy, but now that The Game had been revealed, maybe the galaxy was better off dead. The Great Journey continued.
Cortana learned about The Game while in The Domain. Now she's fucking crazy.
I shudder to think about what might happen if Master Chief learns about The Game. He might just start going from planet to planet fucking shit up. He could be more dangerous than The Flood.
You sound like Numba 1 from Kids Next Door
So the entire premise behind the "Logic Plague" is to get the AI into a loop? Trap it inside of its own head? Well then the cure for that is simple! Just ignore all logic or reason and be a stubborn goat. O.O
I can imagine the argument ends up as something like this;
"Your entire reason for..."
"I DON'T CARE!"
I hate the logic plague on some level, the whole infecting AI on contact part, especially sense it seems to waffle between being a set of arguments to being an unstoppable "virus".
Bruh you hit all the right buttons. So Cortana IS under the influence of the flood. Heck of course she will revive them and bring chaos to the Galaxy
I still don't get it
I find the "logic plague" to be a kind of an "deus ex machina" for halo. the flood can infect biological beings perfectly, which to me sounds fine.
Then they realized that AI isn't biological and had to think of a way to make them just as susceptible to the flood so they invented this plague, which in practice is just like regular flood but in detail is supposedly completely different.
I just get this "oh shit how do I write myself out of this hole" feeling when watching this vid.
I get the same feeling from a lot of the ancient stuff in Halo. The Precursors sound more like something out of Star Wars or 40K than a hat sci-fi like Halo.