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the hardest part for me now is putting myself in my boys shoes when im telling them something and listening to how i sound. i feel regret everyday, while not around them, that i let my impulsions and impatients run how i am disciplining or teaching them. hindsight is so much easier to manage compared to in the moment under pressure making a point or scolding to stop a behaviour. i know what i must do, but its not so simple in the moment. Thank for all of your podcasts.
i could have written this paragraph as you did. hey man, im with you. i am a lot better now though than i ever was, and as long as i am able to, i will continue to become better, for my boy. you do the same bro, let's raise good men. peace brother
You sound like you care very much and are very self-aware of your shortcomings and mistakes. I'm sure there's a lot of things you do very well that you don't give yourself credit for, too. I know I beat myself up for the mistake sive made as a parent as well. Whatever mistakes you've made, just try to do better now and in the future. Keep trying your best. I wish you the best.
I too, could have written this same paragraph. I'm here with ya bro. Every day is a new day. Just don't give up trying to be better. Keep your thoughts and emotions in check. That's about all we can do. Best wishes
I used to do this with my 2 boys with food or clothes. I would give them 2 option say, do you want carrots or peas with dinner? Or which of these 2 outfits would you like to wear today? This way they were doing what I wanted but felt like they had a choice or option. Worked wonderfully.
Like US elections. Make the underdeveloped brains think they have a choice, but really the selection has been done and you're choosing between horse poo and dog poo. It's sad that we are treated like you treated your children.
This chit happens in the work place more than we really know....I believe its one of the main reasons most don't stick around at a job more than 2 to 3 yrs. Adults are not children they r adults.. .micromanage and see what happens to the work place...respect given...respect earned. Amen
Myself and all my smoker friends resent not being able to sit next to you while you're eating and we're smoking. :-) I hate being told I can't drive as fast as I want.
My current boss lied to me to get me into my position. The small lies continued, then came the bullying. She admitted to ethics violations during a staff meeting and I immediately reported her. Rules for thee and not for me. I don't play that game.
Most educating. Thankyou. The older I get, the more I realise how little I know about myself! The more I listen to this podcast, the better I understand myself.
I think this is true up to a point. When people are scared or when there is something stressful going on people will search and latch on to any kind of instruction or guidance that comes along.
True in a safe “normal condition “ when the sh*t is on the ground I’ve seen the most polished, seemingly competent executives desperately seek out direction and positive instruction from the real men in the organization. I wonder how close our society as whole is to reaching that point?
if you want determination in life for your children, colleague, friends and yourself plus you have good intentions for them cultivate a culture where people have first: the feeling of an own agenda, second have the abilities to solve given tasks and third feel they do something that serves a higher purpose or common goal. i mean i can get a super annoying task at work, but i try to reframe it that works for me, sometimes i just need more details from my colleague etc.
The tool at work they shared - that helped me was WIIFM - What's in it for me? It sure helps understand where management and change is coming from. At least it gives us an understanding of the need/desire for culture change. Even if the future is better - we resist. This is the way of things. When I see a benefit and understand the vision for the future it gets me on board, fired up and willing to become part of the solution. I speak from experience. Change is hard - the needle does not want to budge. Do not fear to speak the words. Words are our friends - the truth - honesty is best - least expensive and ultimately less painful for all concerned - imho Till the ground spread the fertilizer plant the seeds water, sunshine, love They will grow. We are not afraid to get our hands dirty. Look if I made a mistake - spell it out. Dad would say grab your ankles. He took off his belt. He made it clear, I new it was coming and deserved what I got. It was harder on him that it was on me - but that is not something I learned until it was my time to have to correct behavior. That being said good testing is the first, the last and random in the middle. We have to stretch that bubble - test the boundaries - Preaching to the choir. Yes Sir. I would love to give some people a whoopin but let us try diplomacy first.
This is why some clothing stores treat you like you don't belong there. Makes you feel like you bought something too fine for you to be allowed to war.
I started watching a 3 hour 20 minute jocko podcast, and then I went down a CZcams wormhole until 5:41 a.m., birds chirping and found this! Let's go!! I'll get enough sleep when I'm 6 feet under.
Yeah my boyfriend and I have this issue a lot. He’s insecure and passive so I naturally take charge most of the time and then he silently stews about it and gets resentful and passive aggressive towards me. In his passive aggression he is constantly micromanaging me and telling me how to do things which is a huge no-go for me. My last partner was super controlling and I will not put up with that shit. A lot of men micromanage though.
Living with anarchists the number one point of conflict is "Don't tell me what to do" because there is no central authority, its volunteer, and there are bunch of hyper independent people who have all these ideas of what should be. The worst is a group of anarchists putting up a camp for an extended time. Its funny as hell to watch but is hell if you are there trying to make things happen and have a functioning camp . Like for weeks or a whole year. Can they work together solving the problems that come up? Freeloading happens all the time (not washing dishes and other chores) and for anything to work the people have to be very mature to have the community work. Tons of personal responsibility. THings get dropped and fallout happens. It only takes one bad apple to ruin your day. ✌
thanks for the video , and also group think experiment video , and sorry again to be rude before, I highly respect you for what you do and the skills you have
I'm glad that guy corrected him when he said he wouldn't speak to his 5 year old son like that. Also if a river's in front of you, you're still gonna have to cross the river. They might be curved but they still technically go up and down. Persona does not equal intelligence.
Other cultures see this differently. Like for example in Asia, conformity to social rules and norms has a much higher value. Plus, a lot of people are not doing well with too much freedom to choose and an infinite amount of choices available. I'm not anto choices, but I caution against believing that having infinite choices is an ideal situation for all humans.
I came here for Echo's biceps. Also, great discussion about people not liking being told what to do or feeling like their freedom is threatened. And reverse psychology as a great tactic for it.
Lol. I get frigin car sick going to big bear if I'm not driving. Also I really like the color treatment on this thumbnail. I wonder if the same treatment would work well on the actual video content.
I still take great pleasure and have ever impeded cancer and overcome, massive overwhelming odds never have told any, and just being myself. Good or bad.
People don’t want their illusions shattered. That also has something to do with it. They get used to life, being cozy and warm and bright, and when you threaten to change the light source or the temperature, or the way they exist, they will resist no matter what, even if it’s good for them. The same way that the drug addict will resist help knowing that he needs it. It’s up to him to get the help in his mind not for you to try to help.
Lack of income changes the amount of choice you have, lack of resources too, societal rules are probably lowered down on the list of things that will remove choice in your life.
You can do whatever you wish as long as you are Responsible. Well, Ahmedabad cow is kitana proof. Certainly, not if you wish but I mean live leather in general is pretty good impenetrable Force for pointiness. In general, your Emancipation Quotient increases a little from Blade Proof Dagger Proof etc... I'd think so a little.
i think it roots in paranoia that most parents have for their child, i noticed with my father that he was very paranoid with me, even as an adult taking medication for my severe anxiety disorder, he thinks the medication is detrimental to me, but i see better results in my life than previous to when i would take the medication. the problem with imposing your will onto another person's individual choice (and by individual choice, i mean a choice that only has a result for the person making the choice), is that you don't have as good of an idea of their situation as much as they do, you can be completely convinced in your mind they are making the wrong call for themselves, while in their mind they are satisfied with their choice and have gotten success from it. this problem is why i NEVER impose my will onto another person's individual choices, yes i will make suggestions if i think someone is doing something wrong, but i will never tell them what to do with their own choices. that is theirs to make so long as it only concerns them and so long as they are an adult.
Another point of view "The own Idea" in a Hierarchie. Then the superiors say no my own and make copy and sale after time to upper one in Hierachie. This is profiling!!!
I think its natural its just elevated in the States because of our rather independent and individualist natures. Most Americans i know just want to be left alone. Then again i live in the rural US where those sentiments are even further elevated.
Making sure traits and effects can be seen cross-culturally is a basic precondition for studies. This effect is in human nature. But all effects are threshold based. So depending on your personality / upbringing your threshold to feel too restricted varies. Unless you feel threatened, reactance wont kick in. So the phenomenon is universal, but when it starts to happen is somewhat personal.
It's good to have muscle. Anyways check out 'Instant Knockout's meal replacement and fat burners bro, you'll love them. Also, tell the doctor you have ADHD for Adderral. No more meth bro.
Sut Lein is a pretty damn good Teacher, I've heard a lot of compliments on him and his Northerner Styles. But his senses don't like Blonde Sky Blue eye vixtress' around his pupil.
Fr I’m sure he would listen to his kid and understand their points and allow them to be who they know themselves to be but it seems he doesn’t think like that without being pushed into it…
Thomas George was a game changer for me , ever since we met and began my journey in 2021 I’ve made over $650k in profits!He’s the only one I can recommend and also he is a FINRA agent so he’s well experienced all round.
“Did you look at the freaking cliff bro?”
-Jocko 2023
Jocko, In real life I'm a former Navy Seal Child Soldier. I took lessons at that pool (I). Some things are better not talked about. Your the man!
the hardest part for me now is putting myself in my boys shoes when im telling them something and listening to how i sound. i feel regret everyday, while not around them, that i let my impulsions and impatients run how i am disciplining or teaching them. hindsight is so much easier to manage compared to in the moment under pressure making a point or scolding to stop a behaviour. i know what i must do, but its not so simple in the moment.
Thank for all of your podcasts.
i could have written this paragraph as you did. hey man, im with you. i am a lot better now though than i ever was, and as long as i am able to, i will continue to become better, for my boy. you do the same bro, let's raise good men. peace brother
You sound like you care very much and are very self-aware of your shortcomings and mistakes. I'm sure there's a lot of things you do very well that you don't give yourself credit for, too. I know I beat myself up for the mistake sive made as a parent as well. Whatever mistakes you've made, just try to do better now and in the future. Keep trying your best. I wish you the best.
That's why the hardest job in the world is to be dad. Some serious shit broski.
I too, could have written this same paragraph. I'm here with ya bro. Every day is a new day. Just don't give up trying to be better. Keep your thoughts and emotions in check. That's about all we can do. Best wishes
Covid had taught me that this motivation is overtaken by the motivation of fear and peer pressure for a majority of people.
Sad but true.
In a way reacting peer pressure is a fear response. Also, I kinda miss the days of being the only guy not wearing a mask in public.
I used to do this with my 2 boys with food or clothes. I would give them 2 option say, do you want carrots or peas with dinner? Or which of these 2 outfits would you like to wear today? This way they were doing what I wanted but felt like they had a choice or option. Worked wonderfully.
Like US elections. Make the underdeveloped brains think they have a choice, but really the selection has been done and you're choosing between horse poo and dog poo. It's sad that we are treated like you treated your children.
This chit happens in the work place more than we really know....I believe its one of the main reasons most don't stick around at a job more than 2 to 3 yrs. Adults are not children they r adults.. .micromanage and see what happens to the work place...respect given...respect earned. Amen
Copy that!
I was micromanaged more than once in my career and I can tell you this is exactly how it felt.
Plot twist: You’re a surgeons assistant.
@@SilkBath hahahaha
Myself and all my smoker friends resent not being able to sit next to you while you're eating and we're smoking. :-)
I hate being told I can't drive as fast as I want.
@@SilkBath I prefer yellow pills or white m367
My current boss lied to me to get me into my position. The small lies continued, then came the bullying. She admitted to ethics violations during a staff meeting and I immediately reported her. Rules for thee and not for me. I don't play that game.
Most educating. Thankyou. The older I get, the more I realise how little I know about myself! The more I listen to this podcast, the better I understand myself.
I think this is true up to a point. When people are scared or when there is something stressful going on people will search and latch on to any kind of instruction or guidance that comes along.
Man, Jocko and Echo are great to listen to. Very different mannerisms, but both savages - it really adds to the podcast having them both.
True in a safe “normal condition “ when the sh*t is on the ground I’ve seen the most polished, seemingly competent executives desperately seek out direction and positive instruction from the real men in the organization.
I wonder how close our society as whole is to reaching that point?
When the civil war breaks out, I want to serve with Jocko!!!
Wise words 🇺🇸 thank you
if you want determination in life for your children, colleague, friends and yourself plus you have good intentions for them cultivate a culture where people have first: the feeling of an own agenda, second have the abilities to solve given tasks and third feel they do something that serves a higher purpose or common goal. i mean i can get a super annoying task at work, but i try to reframe it that works for me, sometimes i just need more details from my colleague etc.
Prime example Jocko is the ying to my yang and why I will always will respect a MAN who isn't a Devil Dog like my Brother's and me. 🐕🦺!!!!Ruff!!!!!!
Another great pearl of real-life wisdom by JW and EC. Thank you, gentlemen!
Thank you for giving us ideas for better communication with others. Great commentary
Jacko's guest is bigtime on blow.
This is why micromanaging employees, children and citizens does not work
The tool at work they shared - that helped me was
WIIFM - What's in it for me?
It sure helps understand where management and change is coming from.
At least it gives us an understanding of the need/desire for culture change.
Even if the future is better - we resist. This is the way of things.
When I see a benefit and understand the vision for the future it gets me on board, fired up and willing to become part of the solution. I speak from experience. Change is hard - the needle does not want to budge.
Do not fear to speak the words. Words are our friends - the truth - honesty is best - least expensive and ultimately less painful for all concerned - imho
Till the ground
spread the fertilizer
plant the seeds
water, sunshine, love
They will grow.
We are not afraid to get our hands dirty.
Look if I made a mistake - spell it out. Dad would say grab your ankles. He took off his belt. He made it clear, I new it was coming and deserved what I got. It was harder on him that it was on me - but that is not something I learned until it was my time to have to correct behavior.
That being said good testing is the first, the last and random in the middle.
We have to stretch that bubble - test the boundaries - Preaching to the choir.
Yes Sir.
I would love to give some people a whoopin but let us try diplomacy first.
Forbidden Fruit Syndrome!
"You can't do that, I forbid it."
"Challenge accepted." 😅
You can’t be human. Checkmate 😉
I like it Jocko. Food for thought. 🇺🇲
Jocko, unfortunately in Canada, Australia and New Zealand people love to be told what to do.
@@rz912 Then stop voting Trudeau
Thanks
Even the highways in most States have slight curves at different intervals to help you from falling asleep.
This is why some clothing stores treat you like you don't belong there. Makes you feel like you bought something too fine for you to be allowed to war.
I started watching a 3 hour 20 minute jocko podcast, and then I went down a CZcams wormhole until 5:41 a.m., birds chirping and found this!
Let's go!! I'll get enough sleep when I'm 6 feet under.
Well said 🏆
Take the path of least resistance, echoing echo.
Nice ! Get after it! 🤙🏾
He learned al of this in blood. Versus learning this in the classroom
Some people just want to work harder,,,not smarter. Your first action should always be to think it through.
Yeah my boyfriend and I have this issue a lot. He’s insecure and passive so I naturally take charge most of the time and then he silently stews about it and gets resentful and passive aggressive towards me. In his passive aggression he is constantly micromanaging me and telling me how to do things which is a huge no-go for me. My last partner was super controlling and I will not put up with that shit. A lot of men micromanage though.
Living with anarchists the number one point of conflict is "Don't tell me what to do" because there is no central authority, its volunteer, and there are bunch of hyper independent people who have all these ideas of what should be. The worst is a group of anarchists putting up a camp for an extended time. Its funny as hell to watch but is hell if you are there trying to make things happen and have a functioning camp . Like for weeks or a whole year. Can they work together solving the problems that come up? Freeloading happens all the time (not washing dishes and other chores) and for anything to work the people have to be very mature to have the community work. Tons of personal responsibility. THings get dropped and fallout happens. It only takes one bad apple to ruin your day. ✌
thanks for the video , and also group think experiment video , and sorry again to be rude before, I highly respect you for what you do and the skills you have
I'm glad that guy corrected him when he said he wouldn't speak to his 5 year old son like that. Also if a river's in front of you, you're still gonna have to cross the river. They might be curved but they still technically go up and down. Persona does not equal intelligence.
Other cultures see this differently. Like for example in Asia, conformity to social rules and norms has a much higher value. Plus, a lot of people are not doing well with too much freedom to choose and an infinite amount of choices available. I'm not anto choices, but I caution against believing that having infinite choices is an ideal situation for all humans.
Jocko, please run for president!
Jocko the philosopher!
Ultimately it’s respect.
Oh like the VA saying, take the shot or you won't be seen. That went on for a year and a half..
"Hey! Look a the cliff...Bro" Jocko Willink 😂
I don't understand how the "slippery slope" is a logical fallacy when, simultaneously, we ALL understand the Law of Precedent.
I came here for Echo's biceps. Also, great discussion about people not liking being told what to do or feeling like their freedom is threatened. And reverse psychology as a great tactic for it.
Is it weird that I prefer Jocko holding his knife instead of a pen? 🤔 Great topic guys thank you. Stay blessed. 🙏🏼🇺🇸
Lol. I get frigin car sick going to big bear if I'm not driving. Also I really like the color treatment on this thumbnail. I wonder if the same treatment would work well on the actual video content.
I still take great pleasure and have ever impeded cancer and overcome, massive overwhelming odds never have told any, and just being myself. Good or bad.
Man, I wish Jocko could get Nick Irving on. He's a great guest
Tell me you dont agree with what the government is doing without telling me you dont agree with what the government is doing.
Mobius flanking maneuver
People don’t want their illusions shattered. That also has something to do with it. They get used to life, being cozy and warm and bright, and when you threaten to change the light source or the temperature, or the way they exist, they will resist no matter what, even if it’s good for them. The same way that the drug addict will resist help knowing that he needs it. It’s up to him to get the help in his mind not for you to try to help.
Nice. For the next episode, how to effectively use analogy and metaphor as a persuasion tactic ;)
This was me during Covid. I read the situation myself. Didn’t trust the govt recommendations
Lack of income changes the amount of choice you have, lack of resources too, societal rules are probably lowered down on the list of things that will remove choice in your life.
I never would tell you what to do Jocko, I trust you. Ethos.
Freedom of choice or more accurately, freedom of conscience.
I had one of the ops leads tell me i needed to lift my hair a couple inches higher, so i did the exact opposite. Dude irritates me. Immensely.
You can do whatever you wish as long as you are Responsible. Well, Ahmedabad cow is kitana proof. Certainly, not if you wish but I mean live leather in general is pretty good impenetrable Force for pointiness. In general, your Emancipation Quotient increases a little from Blade Proof Dagger Proof etc... I'd think so a little.
The inability to control “psychological reactance” is ODD.
It really backfires when parents impose their will on their children all the time.
i think it roots in paranoia that most parents have for their child, i noticed with my father that he was very paranoid with me, even as an adult taking medication for my severe anxiety disorder, he thinks the medication is detrimental to me, but i see better results in my life than previous to when i would take the medication.
the problem with imposing your will onto another person's individual choice (and by individual choice, i mean a choice that only has a result for the person making the choice), is that you don't have as good of an idea of their situation as much as they do, you can be completely convinced in your mind they are making the wrong call for themselves, while in their mind they are satisfied with their choice and have gotten success from it.
this problem is why i NEVER impose my will onto another person's individual choices, yes i will make suggestions if i think someone is doing something wrong, but i will never tell them what to do with their own choices. that is theirs to make so long as it only concerns them and so long as they are an adult.
True enough that humans don't like being controlled. We do like order over chaos.
❤❤❤...
General Zod wants you to lead the exploration beyond the forbidden zone
“ The Mountain “
I don't want to be controlled. But it seems that the masses want to be controlled.
0:49 "people don't like to feel their freedom of choice is being threatened in anyway"
Another point of view "The own Idea" in a Hierarchie. Then the superiors say no my own and make copy and sale after time to upper one in Hierachie. This is profiling!!!
LETS GOOO
❤
Hey man Just saw a vid by Tom McDonald called American. Military theme. Might think about having a chat with him. He hates cancel culture etc.
Even just a grove of trees on the side of a hill can throw you off
This is crazy how early I am
Basically: Humans are not machines.
Yah, we can all tell by that mug shot. FYI, we have no need to tell you anything. We are good...without you.
This is exactly the reason I have been turned off by the left, even as a progressive person.
This is why Democrats are the best gun salesmen.
Who exactly is echo Charles?
Some Dale Carnegie techniques.
Wake up early, the early (bird) takes the Bus.
Is it natural human reaction, or is it natural American human reaction?
I think its natural its just elevated in the States because of our rather independent and individualist natures. Most Americans i know just want to be left alone. Then again i live in the rural US where those sentiments are even further elevated.
Making sure traits and effects can be seen cross-culturally is a basic precondition for studies. This effect is in human nature. But all effects are threshold based. So depending on your personality / upbringing your threshold to feel too restricted varies. Unless you feel threatened, reactance wont kick in. So the phenomenon is universal, but when it starts to happen is somewhat personal.
It's good to have muscle. Anyways check out 'Instant Knockout's meal replacement and fat burners bro, you'll love them. Also, tell the doctor you have ADHD for Adderral. No more meth bro.
im upset so upseyt im done wth these terrible cops in nashua nh i want to get out of here
Real world is curved
Are we really gonna ingore, how big EC's biceps are ??
Guns. Perfect example
God gave us free will and God has one hell of a sense of humor. The best.
Sut Lein is a pretty damn good Teacher, I've heard a lot of compliments on him and his Northerner Styles. But his senses don't like Blonde Sky Blue eye vixtress' around his pupil.
arrest all of the nashua cops...#firethemall!
☝ It is as much about *biology* as any other ology. 👍 But right on point. 👏 Blockchains can pin super 🤖 to the mat, but do not expect any submission.
Mr.Jocko, can you please make a video on showing the world how to take a Tactical Dump? Thanks.
If one of Jocko's kids came out as "Trans" what would his reaction be? Discipline the "Trans" out....lol!
Fr I’m sure he would listen to his kid and understand their points and allow them to be who they know themselves to be but it seems he doesn’t think like that without being pushed into it…
Psychological Reactance = The Imp of the Perverse
but...but i wasnt telling you anything.
also - says a guy who spend his life in the military where you literally are doing what you have been told
The thret of immigration
Certainly, not a mess any Kid would want to have. Grow up, A Cow with Blade Impenetrability Proofed down baby.
There is such a thing as inmaturity. Think about that for a minute Grown Folks.
echo looks like homer simpson on steroids
Stocks are good but I swapped and invested in Forex and Bitcoin trading I've been making good profit
Exactly!!
Forex and Bitcoin trading are profitable but with the help of an Expert
I just sold all my Stocks
Thinking of switching to either Forex or Bitcoin trading
I tried trading on my own but I lost all my money 😢😢
@@augustpeters5052 I've been in such situation before and it wasn't an easy one
Thomas George was a game changer for me , ever since we met and began my journey in 2021 I’ve made over $650k in profits!He’s the only one I can recommend and also he is a FINRA agent so he’s well experienced all round.
People do not make good slaves
: )