I’ve been running this oil for 30 years. I run it in dirt bikes, saws, and weed eaters. I have never had an engine failure with it. It is the best bang for the buck oil period.
I bought a gallon of Lucas about 6 months ago. It is certainly priced right and seems to work well. Now I know for sure it’s working as designed and a good deal for the price. Thank you
Thank's your oil test are the best source of info on what is often a hotly debated topic , as for Lucas I've never been disapointed with their products
Very interesting Richard. I like these oil comparisons. That saw sounds amazing! I was watching on my phone so it’s hard to tell but that bottom ring on intake side looked like a crack starting on bottom side. Thanks again for sharing
Yea I tore down a 026 I bought with low compression that run the Lucas it's whole life and the carbon build was was bad. It actually scored the piston a bit so it will get Bell Ray run though it from here in out after the piston kit gets here. Good test thanks for sharing.
Agreed. I’ve tried everything and keep coming back to Red Armor 40:1 with 90octane rec fuel. No carbon, great protection, and it’s available everywhere.
Looks way better than a couple of the other FD OPE oils👍🏻 haven't used it and don't see myself buying it with the much better options available but wouldn't be afraid to use it if nothing else was easily available.
Richard, after all of the oil test i have decided i am going to try the saber. Just received a quart today from Amazon. I thank you for all the information you have provided for all of us. Looking forward to the next video. Have a good weekend.
Interesting. I have contemplated going Saber at 40:1. I need to price it in comparison to the Red Armor. I have heard about it but never researched it. Thanks again for another great video!
I've run this for about 10 yrs now at 45:1 does a great job. One thing ive noticed is the traveling effect it has which unfortunately makes equipment attract more dirt but outside of the carb, intake manifold etc will have an oil film that attracts dust etc.
Hi Richard I echo many here and offer you my thanks for this oil test project. Bike oil definitely seems the way to go. Having searched,it seems the HP2 is not available in Europe, at least not that i can find. A motorcycle page did say that Honda HP2 is the same oil as Mobil MX2T oil,but struggling to find that either. So,can I, request some Castrol products to add to the comparisons please. It seems they do several versions of their Power 1 product-: Castrol Power 1 Castrol Power 1 Racing Castrol Power 1 RS Castrol Power 1 A747 I don't know about differences and specs between them,but if they match up to the Honda HP2/ Mobil MX2T oils then availability worldwide would easier for everyone. Love the channel and your dedication to this topic.
hello richard very interesting video as d'habidude, I admire how you disassemble the saws so quickly, I would need a whole day still to have the habidude l (semi-synthetic oil with more viscocity than 100% synthesis when you think? can give you a try with aspen 2 pre-mixed good luck, I encourage you and I say bravo from France
Same here; I always have gallons of it for my sleds, so I use it in the summer too. It doesn’t quite have the same scent as SuperTechniplate or Castor, but of course it gets the job done.
I really enjoy a good mix oil video, and you make a good one for sure. Would like to see you do one on Dumonde DPT. It's what I run in my saws at 32:1 no problems yet. I would like to see how it sracks up against the Honda oil. Honda hp2 has got me wondering. Thank you for these videos.
I use motul 900 in my husqvarna saws for years and cut a lot of wood never had a problem one with them they never had broke down yet had really good results with it . Gary in California cut nothing but oak trees
Very interesting video as always, i went with MAXIMA K2 issue is expense so far. but i did find Chaparral Motorsports if you buy two 64oz jugs the shipping is free so seventy seven bucks total
Been running this lucas oi in snowmobiles, evinrude outboards, chainsaws and ice augers. It a good idle, clean at idle. I've gone through about 40 gallons of saber in my chainsaws over the past 18 month. Back in February at 30 below zero, the Saber wouldn't even pour from a jug. The lucas did. Never ran saber is my oil injection snowmobiles, because I was afraid it would strip the plastic oil injector gears. Saber doesn't burn that clean in cold temps either. Again this is after 40 gallons of the stuff. I've since decided to run the lucas in everything.
Thank you Richard for this Lucas run tear down. I think over time the carbon build up will show heavy with this oil. Unless you run the snot out of it for long periods of time which a non proho will do. Better than swamp water at 50:1, but just can’t beat the bike oils and Saber at 40:1. I don’t see why AMSOIL keeps bragging about 100:1 when nobody I know who knows anything about power saws does something like that on a good saw. I might sacrifice my little Shindaiwa 300 someday, but I hate the unnecessary punishment to any chainsaw. Well , maybe some of them off color clones.😉
Very interesting..as always...have got to get some saber..the maxima formula k2 once mixed kibda looks scary but tan good..and belray...havent tryed hp2 yet
Understanding that you are already putting a ton of time and effort into these oil videos, I wonder I it would be informative to pick one or two of the better oils (like the Honda maybe) and run it in a seedeater or blower for all summer - then see what that looks like. Just a thought. Thanks for all the free ice cream!
I am truly enjoying your oil testing videos, have learned a lot and Thank You! I have a couple friends who strongly recommend Optic 2, do you know much about it, torn down a saw that has been running it?
Whew that's skinny. The tree company I work for part time ran it for years at 80:1. I did see some piston skirt wear, long term, so we bumped it up to 50:1. For what it's worth.
@@richardflagg3084 I must admit I was nervous at first. But I'd been using Amsoil products for years before I bought the trimmer, and they say right on the face of the bottle label it can be used at 100:1. So, I trusted them.
Have used this for years in my ice augers, have ran a bottle or 2 in saws when i run out of saber since its only available at a few places where i am and nothing is near by unfortunately but things have ran the lucas semi synthetic in over the years haven't had engine failures even in saws but i do lean to then saber at 75:1 to vs luacs 40:1, availability is biggest issue for around here though
Last 8 months I've been mixing 6.4 oz of Sabre with 2.6 oz of Red Armor 8oz total makes 40/1. So far everything runs fantastic but no chain saws just trimmers edgers blowers hedge trimmers get Aspen canned gas because they sit a lot 👍👍
This oil is what I used to run in my old 460 rancher for 8yrs or so I had it.. only oil I could buy locally that wasn't some no-name brand. Think it was like $12/qt then which was 2x the price of the no-name stuff.. I've taken to ordering oils online now and running 32:1 instead of 50:1
I would Love to see you test a few TCW3 low ash boat oils this way Richard because alot of guys swear that they work well. Maybe you could dispel some myths👍
It’s pretty much a group 2 oil with some group 3 “synthetic” to call it semi synthetic. Likely no group 4 or 5 oils present and that’s why she burns a little dirtier than other oils especially the premix bike oils
I’ve been running the regular Stihl oil the last 15 years I bet here in Canada which is Castrol oil. It says Castrol right on back of the bottle. My dads been running that oil for longer then me. Never any problems and we never ever lost an engine. I’m wondering if it’s different the the Stihl oil in the US? Now that being said I’m sure it’s not the best oil haha.
Thanks Richard, my brother and me switched from Stihl Premium last year to this Lucas, Do you think it’s considerably better than Stihl oil or would it be worth switching to Sabre? I really appreciate your content.
Richard I have been trying to keep up with these oil tests you’ve been doing. I find them to be very helpful and provide much needed insight into how well our oils are working for us. I do however have a question and that is have you ever tried any tests that involve Marvel Mystery Oil in the 2 cycle gas mix? I’ve run that stuff in every small gasoline engine I own for more than 35 years with great results at least on the side of staying out of a repair shop. My curiosity at this point is what would be the result in the case of some of these products that have produced less than desirable results in your tests or would it maybe create more carbon? or perhaps reduce carbon deposits? Produce more or less sheen? Honestly I’ve had such good results for so long now that I have to believe it has some positive effects on carburetors and internals. Thanks for the videos and the insight you’re providing here!
Supplement to my previous poston Lucas oil....I just looked up the Oil Report done by Blackstone Labratories on Lucas 5w-30 and its even worse than I thought. Its got a ton of Sodium at 272 where the Universal average is 38 and has ZERO, thats 0 molybdenum. The average is 77. Lucas has none of it.
Lucas is NOT FD rated. Lucas CLAIMS that the oil MEETS FD standards but has not paid the money to have it actually tested. However, I use it and like it for the price.
You must be new to the channel because he has tested the Stihl Ultra (better known as pond water) several times. It runs dirty and smells like burned plastic.
LUCAS OIL is NG, someone did a complete lab analysis on it and I think it came in dead last, had very little of the critical addidtives package which contain the important stuff like friction modifiers, lubricity & viscosity aids, boron, phosphorus, zink (ZDDP) etc. The Universal Averages were terribly low as a comparitor. Walmart & Amazon oil beat it by quite a bit as I remember. I was so pissed when I found out bc I've used a lot of there products. Mobil 1 did not do too well either, or at least not as good as the hype conveys. Mind you the lab analysis was done on conventional motor oils, not on two stroke oil but I dont trust Lucas after the lab results were made known. I was told they put there money into markering, labels, containers & sponsers...not into the base oil, the stuff in the bottle.
All that and then you come out and say it wasn't even the 2 cycle oil being tested, lol. Lucas semi-synthetic is a good oil for a great price and their motor oil has zero to do with it.
Is your chainsaw ported? because if this is not the case, it is not recommended to use 1:40, putting more oil in the mixture will clog the engine more quickly. It's 1:50 as the manufacturer says.
I've tested most all of the oils chainsaw manufacturers sell and at 50:1 they only give modest lubrication in the crankcase. 50:1 is fine for upper cylinder lubrication and to meet emissions requirements. 40:1 will not clog spark arrestors or fowl out a plug. It's only 0.6oz more oil per gallon for 40:1.
I’ve been running this oil for 30 years. I run it in dirt bikes, saws, and weed eaters. I have never had an engine failure with it. It is the best bang for the buck oil period.
I appreciate your effort with these oil comparisons!
I’ve been running this oil for 30 years. I run it in dirt bikes, saws, and weed eaters. I have never had an engine failure with it. It is the best bang for the buck oil period.
I bought a gallon of Lucas about 6 months ago. It is certainly priced right and seems to work well. Now I know for sure it’s working as designed and a good deal for the price. Thank you
I have used the old school Stihl orange bottle for 31 years with no problems and 87 octane 50:1 😊
Always hungry for more info. Thank you again. Great information and to the point!
It’s always good see a video from you Richard. 😊 It puts a smile on my face and knowledge in my head! Thanks!
Thank you for keeping us informed.
been waiting for this one, been running Lucas for a couple years and had really good results , Thank You Sir
Thank's your oil test are the best source of info on what is often a hotly debated topic , as for Lucas I've never been disapointed with their products
Richard, thank you for all these oil tests. I've already ordered some HP-2 & sheaffers.
Very interesting Richard. I like these oil comparisons. That saw sounds amazing!
I was watching on my phone so it’s hard to tell but that bottom ring on intake side looked like a crack starting on bottom side. Thanks again for sharing
Thank you Richard! Very informative!
Yea I tore down a 026 I bought with low compression that run the Lucas it's whole life and the carbon build was was bad. It actually scored the piston a bit so it will get Bell Ray run though it from here in out after the piston kit gets here. Good test thanks for sharing.
I would love to see you re-try echos Red Armor, make running it 40:1 on big saws and 45:1 on smalls, IMO I feel it is truly the best on the market
Agreed. I’ve tried everything and keep coming back to Red Armor 40:1 with 90octane rec fuel. No carbon, great protection, and it’s available everywhere.
Perhaps 32 to 1? (Easier to mix a quart at a time, say for a weed-eater that burns maybe half-a-tank per month, like I had years ago??)
Great vid! It's a good oil. I run this exact mix, 40:1, in all my saws, blowers, etc. Solid product. Good price.
Nice info Rich ❤❤❤
Looks way better than a couple of the other FD OPE oils👍🏻 haven't used it and don't see myself buying it with the much better options available but wouldn't be afraid to use it if nothing else was easily available.
Richard, after all of the oil test i have decided i am going to try the saber. Just received a quart today from Amazon. I thank you for all the information you have provided for all of us. Looking forward to the next video. Have a good weekend.
Interesting. I have contemplated going Saber at 40:1. I need to price it in comparison to the Red Armor. I have heard about it but never researched it. Thanks again for another great video!
I've run this for about 10 yrs now at 45:1 does a great job. One thing ive noticed is the traveling effect it has which unfortunately makes equipment attract more dirt but outside of the carb, intake manifold etc will have an oil film that attracts dust etc.
Hi Richard
I echo many here and offer you my thanks for this oil test project. Bike oil definitely seems the way to go.
Having searched,it seems the HP2 is not available in Europe, at least not that i can find. A motorcycle page did say that Honda HP2 is the same oil as Mobil MX2T oil,but struggling to find that either.
So,can I, request some Castrol products to add to the comparisons please. It seems they do several versions of their Power 1 product-:
Castrol Power 1
Castrol Power 1 Racing
Castrol Power 1 RS
Castrol Power 1 A747
I don't know about differences and specs between them,but if they match up to the Honda HP2/ Mobil MX2T oils then availability worldwide would easier for everyone.
Love the channel and your dedication to this topic.
Would like to see some Klotz snowmobile oil tested by you someday! 👍🏼love these videos
Good work that saber is good oil 🛢 i have run tts 2-stroke oil good oil too.
Been waiting for this!🤣
hello richard
very interesting video as d'habidude, I admire how you disassemble the saws so quickly, I would need a whole day still to have the habidude
l (semi-synthetic oil with more viscocity than 100% synthesis when you think?
can give you a try with aspen 2 pre-mixed
good luck, I encourage you and I say bravo from France
I've been running klotz snowmobile oil with awesome results!
Same here; I always have gallons of it for my sleds, so I use it in the summer too. It doesn’t quite have the same scent as SuperTechniplate or Castor, but of course it gets the job done.
I really enjoy a good mix oil video, and you make a good one for sure. Would like to see you do one on Dumonde DPT. It's what I run in my saws at 32:1 no problems yet. I would like to see how it sracks up against the Honda oil. Honda hp2 has got me wondering. Thank you for these videos.
I have been using that oil for years, it may not be the best oil going but it's more than good enough plus it's cheap and easy to get for me.
Uh, run a bit more (32 to 1) in hopes of less trouble???
I use motul 900 in my husqvarna saws for years and cut a lot of wood never had a problem one with them they never had broke down yet had really good results with it . Gary in California cut nothing but oak trees
I am so enjoying this. Not to get carried away, I wonder if different octane gasoline would play any role on how an oil performs?👍
Very interesting video as always, i went with MAXIMA K2 issue is expense so far. but i did find Chaparral Motorsports if you buy two 64oz jugs the shipping is free so seventy seven bucks total
Been running this lucas oi in snowmobiles, evinrude outboards, chainsaws and ice augers. It a good idle, clean at idle. I've gone through about 40 gallons of saber in my chainsaws over the past 18 month. Back in February at 30 below zero, the Saber wouldn't even pour from a jug. The lucas did. Never ran saber is my oil injection snowmobiles, because I was afraid it would strip the plastic oil injector gears.
Saber doesn't burn that clean in cold temps either. Again this is after 40 gallons of the stuff.
I've since decided to run the lucas in everything.
Yep I’d imagine high viscous would be hard to pour at cold temps.
Thank you Richard for this Lucas run tear down. I think over time the carbon build up will show heavy with this oil. Unless you run the snot out of it for long periods of time which a non proho will do. Better than swamp water at 50:1, but just can’t beat the bike oils and Saber at 40:1. I don’t see why AMSOIL keeps bragging about 100:1 when nobody I know who knows anything about power saws does something like that on a good saw. I might sacrifice my little Shindaiwa 300 someday, but I hate the unnecessary punishment to any chainsaw. Well , maybe some of them off color clones.😉
Very interesting..as always...have got to get some saber..the maxima formula k2 once mixed kibda looks scary but tan good..and belray...havent tryed hp2 yet
Saber and HP2 for the win!
Yes I'm going try find some near by..thanks
Understanding that you are already putting a ton of time and effort into these oil videos, I wonder I it would be informative to pick one or two of the better oils (like the Honda maybe) and run it in a seedeater or blower for all summer - then see what that looks like. Just a thought. Thanks for all the free ice cream!
Been using this stuff for years at 40:1 with non-ethanol. Never any problems.
I am truly enjoying your oil testing videos, have learned a lot and Thank You! I have a couple friends who strongly recommend Optic 2, do you know much about it, torn down a saw that has been running it?
Run away, run away. Tons of better oils out there.
Thanks! Motul 710 for a test👍
About Saber, I would love to see how it stacks up against AMSOIL Intercepter. I know it is a sled oil, but I bet it runs clean in a saw.
I've had nothing but good luck with Saber. 15 year old Stihl grass trimmer, approx 1200 hours on it at 100:1 and still going strong.
Whew that's skinny. The tree company I work for part time ran it for years at 80:1. I did see some piston skirt wear, long term, so we bumped it up to 50:1. For what it's worth.
@@richardflagg3084 I must admit I was nervous at first. But I'd been using Amsoil products for years before I bought the trimmer, and they say right on the face of the bottle label it can be used at 100:1. So, I trusted them.
Have used this for years in my ice augers, have ran a bottle or 2 in saws when i run out of saber since its only available at a few places where i am and nothing is near by unfortunately but things have ran the lucas semi synthetic in over the years haven't had engine failures even in saws but i do lean to then saber at 75:1 to vs luacs 40:1, availability is biggest issue for around here though
Really enjoy the videos
Do you have an opinion on the premixed canned fuels? If you have a video on them i couldn’t find one
Last 8 months I've been mixing 6.4 oz of Sabre with 2.6 oz of Red Armor 8oz total makes 40/1. So far everything runs fantastic but no chain saws just trimmers edgers blowers hedge trimmers get Aspen canned gas because they sit a lot 👍👍
Would you please try Royal Purple synthetic 2-stroke mix thank you
This oil is what I used to run in my old 460 rancher for 8yrs or so I had it.. only oil I could buy locally that wasn't some no-name brand. Think it was like $12/qt then which was 2x the price of the no-name stuff.. I've taken to ordering oils online now and running 32:1 instead of 50:1
I would Love to see you test a few TCW3 low ash boat oils this way Richard because alot of guys swear that they work well. Maybe you could dispel some myths👍
I've run Schaeffers 7000 {TCW3) for years. It runs incredibly well in a chainsaw. 😎
Like to see you test Klotz "50:1" oil if you get a chance.
Tough crowd! I run Lucas 2 stroke in my saws and blowers. 60:1 with 110 octane with tetraethyl lead. I'm very pleased with it.
Just call it like I see it.
@@richardflagg3084 then I'm in good company
I used to run that Lucas due to how easy it was to find but too smokey and too dirty. Saber, VP, and Motul 710 now scattered throughout the shop
Motul 710 ok oil for chensaw 1/4 ???
I use lucus cause it's not bad price for a qaurt and other high oils are hard to get were I live it's available and I don't use my saws that much
It’s pretty much a group 2 oil with some group 3 “synthetic” to call it semi synthetic. Likely no group 4 or 5 oils present and that’s why she burns a little dirtier than other oils especially the premix bike oils
And you know this how?
I’ve been running the regular Stihl oil the last 15 years I bet here in Canada which is Castrol oil. It says Castrol right on back of the bottle. My dads been running that oil for longer then me. Never any problems and we never ever lost an engine. I’m wondering if it’s different the the Stihl oil in the US? Now that being said I’m sure it’s not the best oil haha.
Thanks Richard, my brother and me switched from Stihl Premium last year to this Lucas,
Do you think it’s considerably better than Stihl oil or would it be worth switching to Sabre?
I really appreciate your content.
Mr. Flag for a new saw (stihl 261cm or possibly 400c) would you use saber or the honda HP2 at 50:1 ?
i'll be using ethanol free gas .
thanks , jeff
Glad I found your channel. Just purchased a brand new ms250 and the dealer told me 50:1 Do you think 40:1 would be better for it?
I'd recommend Amsoil Saber at 50:1.
Thanks Richard! How do you like the West Coast Saw clutch plates? I was thinking of ordering the 592xp and the 572xp.
Much better chip flow and they are tough as nails
Richard
I have been trying to keep up with these oil tests you’ve been doing. I find them to be very helpful and provide much needed insight into how well our oils are working for us. I do however have a question and that is have you ever tried any tests that involve Marvel Mystery Oil in the 2 cycle gas mix? I’ve run that stuff in every small gasoline engine I own for more than 35 years with great results at least on the side of staying out of a repair shop.
My curiosity at this point is what would be the result in the case of some of these products that have produced less than desirable results in your tests or would it maybe create more carbon? or perhaps reduce carbon deposits? Produce more or less sheen? Honestly I’ve had such good results for so long now that I have to believe it has some positive effects on carburetors and internals. Thanks for the videos and the insight you’re providing here!
Thanks for the idea!
@@richardflagg3084 Test motul 710 1/4
Can you try klotz KL-305?
What do you mix saber at?
Good grief! I want a 400C like that!
Its FD and the price is right!
Would a higher oil ration/percentage, e.g. 32 to 1, help with keeping the carbon buildup “down” with this oil?
I seriously doubt it would burn any better with more oil.
Are you going to do Schaeffers and there new 2 stroke oil?
I have run their 7000 for years. Very clean and great film in the case at 40:1.
Finally a guy that knows how to sharpen and run a chainsaw!
Next oil Shell 2T
Supplement to my previous poston Lucas oil....I just looked up the Oil Report done by Blackstone Labratories on Lucas 5w-30 and its even worse than I thought. Its got a ton of Sodium at 272 where the Universal average is 38 and has ZERO, thats 0 molybdenum.
The average is 77. Lucas has none of it.
For their 2 stroke oil?
Lucas = Think adding a couple quarts of 90w to this engine will keep that rod bearing alive and get me to work until payday?
Lucas is NOT FD rated. Lucas CLAIMS that the oil MEETS FD standards but has not paid the money to have it actually tested. However, I use it and like it for the price.
I use the Amsoil 100:1 . I have no problems whatsoever, saws , leaf blowers ,trimers, pistons look good , 🤔🤔
Think the other CZcams guys
And gals who do 2 stroke oil
Videos should just repost yours 😭
thank you 🤓
Nothing will do better for Sthils than the 50:1
Sthil full synthetic
Not sure if you are new here or just making a joke. If you’re new, see some of the videos Richard has done on stihl oil 50:1
You must be new to the channel because he has tested the Stihl Ultra (better known as pond water) several times. It runs dirty and smells like burned plastic.
Dumonde Tech DTP Synthetic 2 Stroke Racing Oil is the best on the planet!
LUCAS OIL is NG, someone did a complete lab analysis on it and I think it came in dead last, had very little of the critical addidtives package which contain the important stuff like friction modifiers, lubricity & viscosity aids, boron, phosphorus, zink (ZDDP) etc. The Universal Averages were terribly low as a comparitor.
Walmart & Amazon oil beat it by quite a bit as I remember.
I was so pissed when I found out bc I've used a lot of there products. Mobil 1 did not do too well either, or at least not as good as the hype conveys. Mind you the lab analysis was done on conventional motor oils, not on two stroke oil but I dont trust Lucas after the lab results were made known.
I was told they put there money into markering, labels, containers & sponsers...not into the base oil, the stuff in the bottle.
All that and then you come out and say it wasn't even the 2 cycle oil being tested, lol. Lucas semi-synthetic is a good oil for a great price and their motor oil has zero to do with it.
Is your chainsaw ported? because if this is not the case, it is not recommended to use 1:40, putting more oil in the mixture will clog the engine more quickly. It's 1:50 as the manufacturer says.
I've tested most all of the oils chainsaw manufacturers sell and at 50:1 they only give modest lubrication in the crankcase. 50:1 is fine for upper cylinder lubrication and to meet emissions requirements. 40:1 will not clog spark arrestors or fowl out a plug. It's only 0.6oz more oil per gallon for 40:1.
More oil with today's oils is not necessary. If you want to see it burn cleaner mix it 50:1 80:1 heck try amsoil sabre 100:1
I’ve been running this oil for 30 years. I run it in dirt bikes, saws, and weed eaters. I have never had an engine failure with it. It is the best bang for the buck oil period.