IRS Chain Drive Spool for CV Axle Motorcyle or Quad Engine Powered Mini Buggy
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- In this video, I build a simple inexpensive center section drive spool for a small buggy or cross kart. It will be powered by a chain drive engine from a motorcycle or quad atv. I'm using CV axles from a chevy suburban front end. This will not have a differential it is a spool drive or live axle. Great DIY project I used a CNC mill to make my drive flanges but they could be turned on a lathe and drilled on a drill press instead.
This is the third video of the build of a motorized toddler bed or two.... I picked up a couple Little Tikes Lightning McQueen Toddler Beds, the plan is to build steel frames to fit the beds, stuff quad engines in them, and create long travel suspension to make them off road beasts! Gotta keep up with the Princess Jeep that Grind Hard Plumbing made!!! The donor quads will most likely be Suzuki LTZ400 or z400 sport quads! Will be awesome to have electric start and reverse in these bad boys!
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Well, a CNC..... Impressive, just out of my ballpark. I can see just drilling out two sprockets and leaving the teeth. Spacing the CV axle off the "hub" with nuts. lol. Thanks for the ideas.
Thanks for watching!!
4/16/22. Buddy, I have watched plenty of these vids. YOU HAVE SIMPLIFIED IT THE MOST!!!
I'd be temped to weld those CVs stait to the center section. almost no machining required. but you would have to cut it apart to service anything. bearings. sprocket. But a lot of projects like these never get enough miles on them to wear out anything. You got the tools for the job though.
Thanks for watching!!
I really like how you explain everything. Makes noobs like us learn from your experience. Thanks!
Thank you for watching!!
Awesome work and great explanations as always. Keep it up.
Thank you!! Thanks for watching!!
This is a great set up for smart car Hayabusa conversion, spot on. great job like every good job you need the right tools. God bless.
Thank you so much!!!!! Just the video I was looking for. You saved me 2k that I was thinking of spending on buying one.
Great job n teaching
Very slick solution.
Great explanation ,, easy to understand ,, thanks 👍
Mike! You’re a genius! That setup Is exactly what I need to put my G6 are 600 engine into my 64 1/2 bug that’s the perfect assembly you rock man thank you
Would be cool for that!!
this is the best and simplest way I have seen yet to do this. thanks for sharing and I like your desktop toolbox
Thanks!!! Thanks for watching!
Dang Mike is the man! It’s so cool to see custom fab work like this!
Nice vids man
loving the atc 70 build
Thanks. Glad you enjoy watching!!!!
The most informative video I have seen on the subject 👏👏 hats off to you 👍👍
Thanks!! Thanks for watching!
Beefy back end buggy build bro bravo. That'll handle anything you can throw at it great work.
Thanks for watching!!!
Not overkill for what I'm building, but exactly what I need, thank you.
This is genius, thank you so much for making this video, it made my day
Thank you for this comment, it made making the video worth while!!
That is an awesome peice!!!
Perfect easy just what I'm looking for thx u Mike
Excellent use of the Pacific Metal Company notebook
Wow this is really help 😎👍
Thankyou for sharing
Great job!
Thanks for watching!!!
I'm a big guy too.. Love the Grind Hard guy's builds.. but those are tiny.. you should fit in a 750cc or 1100cc GsXR motor.. to scare the crap out of them.. No idea what you have planed.. But that rear set up is beefy! LOVE it!!
A big street bike motor would be fun!!! I was planning to use a 400cc quad motor, but I'm thinking something bigger is in order now..... Thanks for watching!#
@@motomule Most Definitely Take advantage of that beefy set up!!
can you say extremely talented
Sub'd ... clean simple strong and cheap .. love the way it came together. Some C clips to retain the outboard flange adapters and its good to go
Thanks!!!
I watch a lot of these go kart building channels, most of the major ones at least and Im really enjoying the concept how you are doing videos and sharing not just the building process but most importantly the PLANNING. I agree with some of the comments on the section that those flanges may come off if held only by grub screws but a simple through bolt could amend that issue. There seems to be 2 grub screw holes in each flange so if you were to drill one side opposite to one of the grub screw holes, it wouldnt be so hard on your drill bit and trying to tap new holes.
I could indeed cross drill one of the holes through the shaft. I'm just afraid of weakening the shaft... Hmmm... Thank you for the feedback, I need to think about this some....
I wish I had your machinery and ability to use it!
I'm learning every day!! I know just enough to be dangerous.... 😆 Thank you for watching!!!
That's very awesome
Thanks!!!
Brilliant mate luv ya work ,it's guna be a fun machine cheers
Thanks for watching!!!
Awesome video!!! That’s gonna be a lot crazier than my race car bed!!! My video should be live in an hour or so!!! Can’t wait to see your next video!!!
Cool. I'll watch for your vid.
I would have made the CV pattern recessed into the part you CNC machine that way when you bolted in there it would fit like a puzzle piece
If building things to make your life easier makes you a nerd..them label me a nerd. Nice idea. Overkill means it won't break!
Nerdy Gearheads Unite!!!! 😆 Thanks for watching!!
Looks nice. I can tell you from experience though, the weak link will by far be the keyway, (the key itself). My friend and I built almost exactly what you built there, but used CV's from a BMW. Our minibuggy used a VFR 700 interceptor engine. We used 1/4" key and that lasted about 5 minutes. We went to 3/8" key, and that lasted a little bit longer, but still failed. Then we got tired of messing with it, and welded the sprockets to the shaft. Problem solved.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll keep an eye on the keys. Thanks for watching!!
@@motomule Hey, so just out of curiosity, where abouts are you at? I noticed in your videos you said something about the oregon dunes. I have a place in Molalla now. I grew just outside of Salem. I am currently deployed in the middle east with the Air Force, but should be back home in less than a month. I cant wait to get back, and get back to work (ok, play) on stuff like this.
@@514orbigger88 I'm in Eugene Oregon. Thank you for your service!!!
@@motomule Right on, well keep up the cool projects. Take care.
I was thinking the same hung. All the torque is on the keys
and i do love youre shop lol
Next project instead of full size Suburban axles look into S-10 axles. One of the body styles has the same type of inner axle end but they’ll be shorter and lighter.
I was glad to see to reversed the bearing flanges from the way you initially mocked them up to have the mounting flange outside.
Thanks for watching!! I did consider the s10 ones, but they are so short... I wanted ones that I didn't have to cut and stretch.
Moto Mule
That’s understandable. I didn’t realize width would be too narrow but an uncut axle is definitely more reliable.
I was going to suggest 80's S-10 and blazer 4x4 front hubs and cv axles. Decided to see if anyone else had first. Cv axles and hubs are both bolt on. Also fairly cheap and easy to find.
Surplus Center is my favorite place for sprockets and they are located 45 min away from me in Lincoln, Nebraska.
Lucky you!! I gotta get parts shipped... Thanks for watching!!
I'm right in Lincoln and maybe 15 minutes from it.
before you even took the cv axles out of the bag I knew it was from a suburban haha I just did one last week!
Too funny!!!
Muy buen video saludos!!!!!
Thank you for watching!!
Absolutely brilliant and so well explained I can’t wait to see the next video I want to use this type of set up on a trike if possible ?? Cheers Larrysullivan in London well done mate
This is very interesting.. I'd love to learn that
Learn what??
@@motomule how to set up and run a cnc
@@punkinsgarageandpaint8299 I'm not very good at it yet, just got that mill a few months ago. I'm learning!!! Thanks for watching!!
@@motomule looks like you catch on to it fast. Very cool video
cool and now you have the file save in your computer with a little editing you can turn out those axle hubs out of metal plate. but great way to make a buck producing a product that is custom
Thanks for watching!!
Nice work Mike 👍Should handle 500 whp
😆 I don't know about that.... Thanks for watching!!
Not with a set screw in a slot
Nice work, that's pretty economical for something so beefy. Nice machining I've read they sometimes use Induction heating for hardening on the teeth edge (and gear teeth). Looks like a coil wrapped around the part and heated and quenched. On sprockets its between Rockwell C 30-50 you could hear your machine singing a bit! Thanks for showing this stuff its terrific.
Yes, I was definitely pushing the limits of my mini cnc mill. Thanks for the info and thanks for watching!!
Absolutely brilliant so strong it is just what I want for the trike I want to build love it well done larrysullivan in London
Thanks!!
Damn finish the golf cart. we wanna see it fly
I missed the season here with the golf cart. I'll finish it later this winter and have it ready for late spring next year... Thanks for watching!!
@@motomule Thats a long time to wait, if you finish it now you can rip around the neighborhood pissing off all your neighbors, like those guys on cars and cameras lol
Awesome, dude! Built like a brick S..... . and so very appropriate for the two budding SCORE racers in your household! They've the look of gaining "mad fabrication skills". Play on Dad- they've just begun the greatest adventure of all- Life! And you intend to be a big part of it! NO cotton batting for you guys, not at all! FR
😆 Thanks for watching!!!
@@motomule Have a soft spot for dads who make their kids a "big deal" in their lives- my dad was a brilliant petro engineer- acclaimed by companies and his fellow engineers- he didn't know me or my brother, and we didn't know him, but recieved mail at the same address. Go make some chips with those two! FR
@@fredericrike5974 This is my 2nd time around raising kids... My oldest boy is 20. I know how fast this phase flashes by, I'm hanging on to it with all my might... As men, fathers, and husbands, we struggle to juggle all our duties in life. I did my best with my oldest boy, but my focus was on providing an income rather than realizing he'd grow up so fast and I could never get that time back.....
@@motomule A wise old "Cherman once said, "Ve get too soon alt, and too late schmart".
He was avery old German, so I don't think nearly as many people listened as carefully as they might. There is no failure to being a father- but not being there means you are not a father; another too damn wise phrase'
I screwed my first marriage up badly, and lost contact with my son just as he was becoming a toddler. I had hurt a woman who was very likely the best friend I would have- but had the sense to take my then alchoholic but but god provider aout of the picture. I was five years before I realized how bad I had messed myself over, but glad I was not able to pass it on.
You are wiser now, and you have made the commitment- I think you are going to do just fine!FR
You are 100% correct
Definitely need a bigger engine than the 400 now. I would go with an old 2-stroke 500CC motocross engine.
Now that would be fun!!! Thanks for watching!!
I think it's better if you make a differential in the center
Would of been cool if you used a Mazda mx5 diff lsd so it's made from almost all car suspension no machine required. Tool box was bad ass.👍✌️👌
Awesome job as usual 👏😎 I can’t wait to see it done ✅ it’s going to be insane 🤘🏻🚗💨💨💨💨💨💨
Thanks man!!!
Hey dude love ur vids ! I'd say scrap the middle sprocket and drive it off one side or the other. And make that ur hub and sprocke but that could be a weak point for power
That is a really good idea... I should have done that!!! Would have eliminated some weight a nd guaranteed that at least one wheel would still spin if a keyway broke.... Thanks for watching.
@@motomule it well deff be stronger where ur at now and Handel even more tourk. Just n idea later on maybe
You could get side by side stuff for that price. And it would be lighter weight and longer than a suburban front axle.
Every motorcycle every made has a rear wheel with a hub. The hub has a sprocket on one side and a brake on the other. Go down to your local motorcycle junkyard and spend $10 on a rear hub
hows it going big man happy building to you keep up the good worki see you doing good things all over youtube way to beyou rate high in my book and thats a good thing have a good one
Nice work Dude hard to break axel.
Agreed. Thanks for watching!!
Have you thought about what motor your going to use?
Don't drop that on your foot ! OMG, your bring new meaning to "overkill" ....nice
😆 right!!! Thanks for watching!!
Great video! Happen to know about how wide this set up is?
I wonder if there is a way to make the adaptors without going to a machine shop. Like maybe a way to trace it and cut it out with something like a plasma cutter? The only thing you would have to do is find the center to line everything up before you trace the pattern
I came to the same conclusion with these parts.. lol... I must be on the right track.... I've noticed that there are certain cars (like dodge nitro) that have a "prop" style front drive axle for their 4 wheel drive set up... .These types are also pretty nice, and likely a little lighter.
I'll have to look into those. Thanks for watching!!
@@motomule One more thing... I also am looking at the front axles on a VW Jetta... they look much lighter... and it has a simple spline/ hub system (just like the GM set up) ... and also has a bolted hub on the other end... Could be a nice lighter set up... Only $100 also. Just a heads up.... (they may be different lengths.. So you would have to buy two rights"... or two lefts" ... but they look perfect in length and weight. www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-Front-CV-Axle-Drive-Shaft-for-BEETLE-GOLF-JETTA-L4-2-0L-Manual-Transmission/131992201746
@@calholli thanks for the info!!
Great work Mike. I dont see a link to purchase those custom flanges though... :) i need something like that for my next campground cruiser build, but much smaller size axles.
There are easier ways to do this... Somehow, I seem to choose the difficult way..... 😆
Man, I feel lucky that I live only a few miles away from Surplus Center here in Lincoln. I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to make my spool with my Type I VW axles. Still have to figure out which engine (have 3 choices Briggs 479 16hp V-twin, Predator 670 or a Yamaha Phazer engine).
Lots of choices!!!
At the moment I'm redoing a 71 Volkswagen chassis with a fiberglass empi body I'm really interested if u can make something up to fit to run a Hayabusa engine
How did you find vc axles with the trans side mounts on them? I can't find anything except for ones with the wheel hubs.
I need to CNC my Bridgeport I have a cnc router but I really want the rigidity of my mill!
That would be awesome!! I was going to do something like that, but I found a deal on this machine I couldn't pass up... Thanks for watching!!
If they didn't take 3 hours to make those CV to shaft adapters would be a nice income for you 👍👍👍
Right!!! Thanks for watching!!
Now just incorperate two charged garage door springs and you have front wheel spring charged drive...the rear axle comes off the 77 chevy front centerlink, just incorperate a sprocket instead of a nut, and put the electric garage door motor on the roof..
In the middle of doing this right now with Mazda Miata axles should I mount the A-Arms with axle the parallel so that it won't bind when it travels not real sure just guessing
How is the lightening mcqueen project coming along? Is it still going ahead? Thanks. Love your work!
Struggling to find time for projects this year... Just been keeping my nose to the grindstone to pay bills..
@@motomule thats understandable, its been difficult times for many people, hope all is well and take care of the family 👍 hopefully that project continues one day, it looks like it would be amazing.
How are you going to retain the drive connection flanges to the main axle? Are you going to use a shear pin or just weld them on the inside? Both solutions would have drawbacks obviously.
I plan to drill and tap from the ends of the shaft on the seam of the flange and shaft and thread a flathead screw in there. It will retain the flanges and will assist the keys in keeping the flanges from spinning on the shaft.
@@motomule Ah nice idea! Should work good
How do you accomplish the differential action for turning corners?
You don't. Few offroad buggies have a differential. Only need a diff in high traction situations, like pavement or such.
At the end you say “in the next video I want to build an apparatus to hold these together” could you link to that video?
I haven't finished that project yet... Got sidetracked working on other things.
Okay so what size wheel do you use on a set up like this since its a 6 lug hub? Smallest size wheel I could find would be 15 inch!
Would something like this be strong enough for a exo type car (similar to a DF Goblin) with a 1000cc bike engine? My concern is the keyway shearing but probably not. Enough torque. Are the flanges welded to the shaft when it’s done?
Probably not strong enough for that engine if you had good traction.. Perhaps if you welded the flanges to the axle like you mentioned.
Why dont you go with a diffed rear drive? The Old school British Mini A' series differential has bolt on gear drives so you can unbolt the gear and fit a sprocket. They work well, cheap CV's too.
Cheap and Old British don't seem to go together 😆 But sounds interesting, I'll check those out. Thanks!!!
Fair play, Im guessing any front wheel drive diff would be cool long as the drive gears removable. I just love A'series being from the UK.
Or get a smaller engine with the transmission and Mount the axles but I think it Hayabusa engine would be great
Should have left the size of the "hub" sprockets, thinned them to disc thickness , smoothed the edge and used the overage as the disc for brakes. That would have recouped some of the weight sacrifice.
Where did you get the circular dial indicator? That's way better than what I got.
It's called a coaxial indicator.
I was thinking of doing something similar would it be ok if I attached the cv axle to the drive sprocket by drilling holes on it and also doing the same with the brake disk thanks for the video also it helped me understand better
Yes, I only removed the sprocket teeth because I didn't need them. Wouldn't hurt to leave them.
Moto Mule thank you that helps a lot
Isn’t that sprocket too little? I have seen a lot of dune buggies and they have a big rear sprocket. Build break repeat had that problem. Gearing is going to be high. Maybe I’m wrong... great videos! Thanks
You are Not wrong. That sprocket would be too small if it was the only gearing involved. There will be a jackshaft between this and the engine to add additional gear reduction and a brake. I kept this sprocket small because the seat will be on top of it, trying to keep the overall height as short as possible. It's already gonna be goofy looking as it is... 😆 Thanks for watching!!
You could make a mini tank with that 🤪6x6 ? 8x8 👍pobably see it on the grave digger ?
The plan for this is the toddler bed. The Grave Digger is getting narrowed truck axles. Thanks for watching!!
Big Red Beards Garage fan,,watching this IRS fab intensely,,I maybe buying RBG's twin engine chassis,,would love an IRS on it, I ,have a highly modified 670cc predator(RBG built for the yellow duece) I would like to add to the IRS. On the twin engine chassis. Your thoughts on this idea,,,Thank you Sir!,, Batman:)
Red Beard builds some mean engines!!! I talked with Greg about this IRS Setup, he had a great idea to make it easier to make. I believe we will build another setup for him that he will test out on his channel. Stay tuned..... Thanks for watching!!
Thinking of a small buggy build in the future. This helped..! Only question I have is the key way seems to be the weak link... How much punishment could this set up really take???
I'm betting you are correct... The shaft is 1-3/8in diameter and the key stock is 5/16 square. I don't know the engineering specs, I'm sure dumping the clutch would be the biggest abuse to it...
@@motomule Yes dumping the clutch would be the most stressful I'm sure but around here in the last few yrs they have allowed all the side by sides on the trails and many times we start racing each other ( imagine that lol) which leads to dirt & asphalt. My plan is to build a small " Honda Odessy" type buggy with at least an 800cc crotch rocket motor.
@@houseoffire72 that sound fun!!!
@@motomule Hahaha it will be a butt ton of fun for sure..! I'm looking up import car CV axles now. Some nice aftermarket heavy duty ones used on honda civic drag cars... Can't find the actual length tho... Max trail width for any ATV UTV is 67"
Why the Suburban parts? Why not use the CV shafts and hubs from a FWD car like a Honda Civic or something?Yes they are diff lengths...but you could use 2 of from the same side...
Should be lighter and plenty strong enough...
Plus how do you think those outer flanges are going to hold up being secured to the shaft with a couple grub screws...especially with all that weight of the CV shaft flying around?
Or do you plan to drill and tap the center shaft and use a bolt and washer to keep the flanges on?
I chose the suburban parts based on price, length, and the fact that they had flanges on the inboard side. Most FWD axles have splined shafts on the inboard side.
I had not thought about the risk of the flange slipping off of the slotted shaft... Do you really think that is a concern??
@@motomule I would say no.. unless you break a control arm, it's not going to come off the shaft... But depending on your engine power/ you may have to triple slot the shaft for strength....
@@motomule Never realize the Honda parts had a splined shaft on both ends...as for the flanges coming off...I would say so as the CV shafts do collapse in and out right? and all that is holding the flanges on is 2 grub screws?
And those flanges are going to see much more forces then designed for with those heavy CV shafts flying around...
Try it and see...if the come off you can easily mod them if you have to...
@@motomule Could always add a couple split collar clamps on the ends of the shaft as a failsafe. Use some high strength threadlocker and it should be fine
The CV shafts are not going to pull on the flanges, the key may shear but I highly doubt it with the size engine.
Well you can use it on another buggy if you ever want to...
Very true!! Thanks for watching!!
Did you end up having to use 6 bolt chevy wheels? I'm doing this exact setup for a buggy I'm building, but don't want the massive tires and rims...
Make more videos I hate waiting lol
😆 I wish I could crank them out faster. At this point, CZcams comes after my family and my regular job... Perhaps someday it can squeeze between those two items!!! 😁Thanks for watching!
Why not make one of the sprockets in to a disc brake?
I'm trying to keep the diameter of this whole spool as small as possible. It has to go under the seat in the toddler bed kart. I'll have disc brake on a jackshaft that will be between this and the engine. Thanks for watching!!
@@motomule That's kinda sketchy... if you lose your rear chain... then you won't have brakes...... (but I'm assuming you'll have discs at the front wheels so it won't matter really.)
@@calholli yes, I'll lose rear brakes if I lose the chain. Like you mention, the front brakes will still work.
You wouldn't want to transfer the heat from braking into the sprocket driving the vehicle because that would compromise its tempering and make it soft
I see this and I dream of a 4x4 golf cart!!!!! Well done! Where can you buy these parts? (the ones you did not machine)
The parts all came from Surplus Center.
Would it work to have this up front and a stock axle in the rear? Sort of an all time 4wd cart?
@@iowabuckinrut760 yes, you'd just need to make steering spindles.
Can u link which cv axles you used
I'm trying this on a vw buggy build swap to 1000cc motorcycle engine
How is that going to work? Wouldn't it need to be set up as a differential in order to make turning possible?
A differential would make it easier to turn for sure. But this will work just like any quad or go kart that uses a spool drive. One tire will have to slip in order to turn. Easy on loose terrain, harder in high traction situations.
Miata cv axles? Light cheaper and more than sturdy enough
What rim works with the chevy hub ? Can I use a UTV rims?
My plan is to press out the studs and re-drill a smaller ATV patern into the flange.
Any plans to revive this?
I know the Mini-GD is the Hottest and Priorities and all need to finish it when they are small etc.. but this and the Golf cart buildscare great too!@
Yes. I'm just excited about the Grave Digger right now and so are my kiddos.... I gotta build this so I can play with the GHPC guys when they come down next spring. Same for the golf cart. Thank you so much for watching!!
@@motomule Anytime.. Love the Telescopic steering shaft btw.. They do have a power wheel tank I fit in at 6'4"..
@@TripleXclown hmmmm.... 😆
@@motomule hrmmm.. indeed... lol
What is the weight difference between a suburban axle vs the 930 style?
I didn't weigh them, but a fair bit heavier... But, the suburban setup is WAY cheaper..
Your going to have to stop posting videos soon!!! I have to go to work one of these days. Thanks for sharing
Hopefully we all get to keep working!! Thanks for watching!!
Can i order one of these from you? I can't find one to buy anywhere and I really want IRS on my Honda fl250 odyssey. I dont have access or know anyone that can build one of these for me. Any info helps. Thanks
Use the rear from a polaris outlaw 525 IRS
That would be awesome, but how much would that cost?? Thanks for watching!!
@@motomule availability would be the hardest part, you can usually pick up these components fairly cheaply.
Could be I just missed something... but what keeps the shaft/sprocket centered?
Each item on the shaft has set screws built into them. The sprockets, flanges, and even the bearings. Total of 10 set screws.
@@motomule Gotcha, thanks. Do you flat spot the shaft at the set screws then? Maybe I've just had bad luck but I'd find it hard to trust set screws not to let things walk around.
@@Zaphod7835I should do some flats on there....