SWM 440 Gran Milano Review
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- čas přidán 3. 04. 2017
- My review of the SWM 440 Gran Milano motorcycle. The Gran Milano is assembled in Italy from a mix of Italian and Chinese parts to keep the price down. The end result is surprisingly good.
Thanks to A1 motorcycles for the loan of the Gran Milano.
56 Maroondah Hwy, Ringwood Victoria Australia 3134
Ph: (03) 9870 2222
www.a1motorcycles.com.au
SWM Australia Website
www.swmmotorcycles.com.au
I'm an owner of a 2018 model gran milano and I love it.
Fyi if anyone is wondering it's top speed is about 140kph
Can do 0-100kph is about 5 or 6 seconds depending on your shifting. It is confirmed 31hp. But is extremely light. And provided you are not overweight, you can go pretty quick. I'm 80kgs and I can do the speeds above.
If you ride sensibly and keep revs at around 4000rpm and shift up a gear at 5000 expect about 4.4L/100km fuel economy. Roughly 400kms from a full tank down to 3-4 litres.
I'm 6 foot 6 and don't feel cramped on it at all. I have very long legs and arms. I dunno why people think it's too small.
I've owned it new for 12 months now, put 4000kms on it, had zero issues.
The reviewers criticisms about the instruments are valid, I hope new models of this bike in the future will have less plasticky instruments. The odo and tach are the only cheap feeling parts.
It has no fuel gauge. Just a low fuel light.
You'd think that would be a big deal but it's not.
Use the trip function on your odo to track fuel. I know when I get to 400kms the fuel low light will come on (at about 4 litres left so you can probably go for another 80 kms)
No abs so be careful for skidding. In wet weather I've had the back wheel lose traction a few times when braking. Just brake early and slow in wet weather.
Just one criticism I have is the branding on the steel covers for the battery and air filter are on stickers. Stickers will definitely come off eventually and look cheap.
I plan on engraving mine with the branding when that happens.
Also a wind guard might be a good investment for this bike.
Very comfy for trips around town. Sitting on it for 2 hrs or more gets pretty uncomfortable on the highway due to vibrations. It's not a touring bike.
I love mine, and given the fact the engine is known for reliability, I hope I'll get thousands and thousands of kms out of this bike.
That's my impression :)
(One final note I should add, the engine sounds incredible. When I took it for a test ride it was the character and note of the engine sound that made me fall in love. -comparing it to the ducati scrambler 400 and there's no competition. The ducati sounds like a scooter.)
From German roadster magazin :
Preis: 5.990 Euro zzgl. Nk.
Leistung: 30 PS bei 7 000/min
Drehmoment: 36 Nm bei 5 500/min
Topspeed: 160 km/h
Motor: Viertakt-Einzylindermotor, luftgekühlt, vier Ventile, ohc, Hubraum 445 ccm, Bohrung x Hub 90 x 70 mm
Getriebe/Endantrieb: 5-Gang, Kette.....
Test:
Messwerte
Leistung: 32 PS bei 6 400/min
Drehmoment: 39 Nm bei 5 500/min
Durchzug im 4. Gang 5.Gang
60 bis 100 km/h: 5,4 s 8,3 s
100 bis 120 km/h: 6,1 s 5,5 s
Benzinverbrauch: 5,5 l /100 km
Gewicht vollgetankt: 173 kg, davon 47,1 % vorn ...
How important is the lack of abs for a new rider. Love the bike but the lack of abs is concerning.
0-100kph is about 3 or 4 seconds... Really? I wouldn't have thought so with that power/weight.
Maybe 7 seconds.
@@garyk8285 yeah I think it's actually closer to 6 seconds
@@jarrod7465 It sounds similar performance to my VTR250, which is a V-Twin, albeit a smaller motor. I think top-speed on it is around the same lugging my 95kgs. Although, yours would have more overtaking power above 80kph. I think mine would have less vibrations at higher speeds being a V-twin, its quite a smooth ride. I do like the look of the Gran Milano, just not sure about longevity of the motor being chinese, have to wait and see. My VTR is 19 years old, low kms, but still goes strong touch wood. Never failed me so far.
Great review Mike! And it's nice to see a bike that comes with decent looking mufflers that don't need to be replaced with anything aftermarket. I'm tempted to buy one!
In my eyes this bike is a beauty(and quite unique!) wonderful presentation good sir!
Respectfully, your review reminds me of a library. Spot on when it comes to information and very clear annunciation! Well done. I just expected to be exited by this motorcycle.. friendly food for thought! Good health!
A really good bike with lots of classic elements at a fair and affordable price!
Just a correction - the bike is not "a Chinese engine in an Italian chassis".
The whole frame/engine assembly comes from the Shineray XY400, a classic cruiser/roadster style bike (like Yamaha SR 400), and that's the reason of the slow cornering. SWM just styled the bike and modified swingarm, suspensions, frame, rims and the engine is bored by Shineray to 440 cc., as for SWM specs.
Actually Italian frames are no more, Verlicchi died some years ago and even Ducati buys the frames from Vietnam.
Thanks for the correction!
cuoccimix the bike is a chinese bike but! Assembled in Italy
Shineray is Chinese engine Japanese copy of honda
Surely Moto Guzzi are 100% Italian hand built bikes. Mandello del Lario building a new factory thank you Piaggio.
I have a Mash TT40 caferacer. It has the same engine but with 400cc.
In Poland it's Romet. Jawa 350 ohc , CNC caferacer in Philipines, Motostar, Genuine etc, etc.
All Shineray bikes with the same 400cc engine based on the Honda xr400, gb500tt, xbr, cb400ss engine.
It's cheap, looks nice and simple.
Good review, would like to hear your views on the SWM Gran Turismo or Silver Vase versions in the upright seating position.
Well done Review , Mate . Thank you.
The enduro SWM is made in Italy so it is plausible that the road bike is too. SWM is backed by Chinese money.
I am interested in the RS500R Enduro. Amazing value.
Good review thanks
Nice review thanks
Does the rear seat cover come off. Id need to put a roll sack on it for touring if it does.
I'm buying one this week. Getting pretty excited.
Let us know what you think of it.
So, how do you find it? Are you enjoying it?
I've got about 2500km on mine now and love it. Im in Melbourne; perfect for inner city commuting
@@boogahed did u find a tail tidy ?
@@lambbosbread123 na haven't yet I'm still deciding whether to wait till full licensed and can carry pillion; unfortunately where I live you are restricted for 3yrs which is bloody ages; despite driving for over 20yrs :( I have decided though I'll likely keep this bike so am planning on some customs. Was thinking at first I might move it on when full licensed but really no need to it's perfect for my city commuting
Thank You for your video. Please check on SWM web site, there is a new version named Outlaw. Same frame and engine, different fuel tank and exaust pipes.
Hey Mike I would like to replace the grips on my SWM Gran Milano but I’m not sure which size to purchase and was wondering if you could help? Cheers Tamara
The bars are most likely to be 22mm (7/8") or 25mm (1") though the larger size is usually found on Harleys. It's easy to check with a pair of callipers or measure across the end of the bar once the grip is removed. Remember also that the throttle side grip will be slightly larger. Any bike shop should be able to sell you the correct size.
Hey Mike have you had a ride on the Sol Invictus Nemesis Scrambler yet?? Would you consider doing a review on one?
No I haven't ridden one but they look interesting. I haven't planned on riding one but I'd have to locate a willing dealer first.
love the review, if you dropped the front forks 1 inch it would turn in alot faster
newb question i know, but how would i do that , i just purchased one
@@lambbosbread123 how have you found it so far? Been on the freeway yet?
@@RoyaEnfieldBSAman. yeah its a great little bike and if ur in Australia they are going for $5,800 at the moment. freeway is perfect, gets up to speed perfectly and you still have alot of extra power if u need to overtake etc etc, the brembos on the front make for very impressive stopping power. highly recommend. it feels and performs like it should be a 10K+ bike
Looks cool.
Quite a nice bike. Stock exhaust sounds pretty as well. Do you know if there are aftermarket exhausts available for this one?
I don't think that there are any aftermarket exhaust systems to date. The stock system does have removable end baffles. They were out on the one I rode.
Ok thanks for the fast respond!
I took the baffles out of mine and it sounds sweet.
I was wondering about doing this but didn't want to when was on my L's...I'm well off them now does it sound heaps better? I don't mind the stock sound as is
Front brake radial and by Brembo.
I’d be very interested in your opinion on the Nemesis vs the SWM Gran Milano as I’m looking at both but am not sure which is better 👍🏼
Just looking at the spec sheet the Gran Milano is way in front. It is lighter, has greater fuel capacity, slightly bigger engine capacity, fuel injection, a far superior brembo front brake, a rear disc brake, upside down 47mm Fast Ace adjustable front forks, alloy rims and radial tyres. The only downside I can see is the higher price.
Mike's Machines would it be possible to change the Gran Milano tank with something slimmer down the track??
Anything is possible but just be aware that the fuel pump assembly is bolted into the bottom of the tank along with a low fuel sender. So it would require more than just finding a tank that fits. The alternative is having one made or cutting and re profiling the original.
Hey there Mike I took the Gran Milano for two test rides this week and love the bike but I’m concerned about the fact that fuel leaked out of the fuel cap on the second ride. What’s your thoughts should I be concerned about it??
I had no issues with the one I rode but the cap shouldn't leak and would be covered under warranty.
Hello, im trying to source a lambda sensor for my swm.. can anyone please help?
Likewise. My wife’s son bought a brand new SWM Gran Milano 440 in 2020. Sensor has packed up. And now NZ dealers are not selling this brand anymore. 7000 bucks down the drain. No one will help us out.
NZ
I want to get a tail tidy for mine! I'm in Sydney, so any suggestions please let me know!
I'm not aware of any tail tidy kits made just for the Gran Milano. But you could remove or cut down the rear guard and fit a universal tail tidy kit with a bit of ingenuity and care.
That's what I was alluding to...someone local who cuts down existing tail tidys :) most importantly, someone with ingenuity, not me!
Hey there Cath are you happy with your Gran Milano I’m looking at bikes and am wondering what it’s like as there aren’t many owner reviews
very happy. I've come from 10 years dirt, road, track riding, mainly big sports/sport-tourers. The 440 does everything you need it to do, and is quite comfortable. It sounds and looks awesome, too.
Hi Cath finally got mine this week and so far I’m in love 👍🏼
Why do you call it single cylinder? this bike is twin cylinder, or not?
The bike's a 4 valve single. SWM have fitted an exhaust pipe to each exhaust valve. It does make it look like a twin until you look closely.
top speed ???
I didn't get a chance to measure this because the bike wasn't run in yet. But my gut feeling is that it would be around 150 kph.
How tall are you? The bike looks quite small at the end.
Optical Illusion I'd say. The camera was set to wide angle on the end shot.
the bike IS small. I'm 190cm and it feels like a monkey-bike. but it is still a good bike (for smaller people). the sister-model, the silver vase 440, is one of the most beautiful bikes on sale today.
u look like giraffe on that bike............joking
How do you feel on it? I'm trying to compare it to a Suzuki S40 - another single cylinder - and the reviews I've seen are that someone my height of around 173 may feel cramped on it. How tall are you? Did you feel o.k.?
Does it have ABS?
The later models do have ABS.
@@MikesMachines do you know if the 2019 model has ABS? I've tried Google but it hard to find any info
I can't say. The later models never made it out here.
My 2020 has ABS. It’s not quite the same, though - has a blue tank, a separate pillion seat instead of the colour matched duck tail, different side guards, and loses the rear shock reservoir. Still a great bike to ride, though.
You looked a bit big on it Mike. Are you very tall?
I'm just over 6ft.
I've done 6k miles on mine. Don't buy it for town riding, the only thing it does well is slicing through cagers. There's no cush drive anywhere so it's not a lugger. It needs to be ridden, even to the point of losing your licence. Not yet thank God. Its great on fuel. 80 miles max for your arse with a small rucksack on because you can't fit luggage wi those gorgeous exhausts. 80 miles absolute max. I couldn't walk, sit or stand for ten minutes each stop on a 220 mile ride home.
From a standing start and crouched over the front it will lift its front wheel if you cane it.
It's shite and good in equal measures.
BTW, the brakes are great but the rear sliding crapiller( you read it correctly) is starting to suffer from wear after 6k. The vibes will give you white finger even wi foam grips fitted. The chain and sprockets are still going strong after 6k.
😂😂😂👍
In Germany.only 3.000.-- €. !!!
Gerd Bilger the price has dropped in australia to $6500 including on roads so that’s about $5500 which is more reasonable.
Excellent review. I'd never heard of this bike. But I'm in Europe.
It looks like a copy of a Yamaha engine.
1990 Its a European bike originally from Italy as thats where SWM are from
@@NathanChisholm041 It is a HONDA Lizenz Engine !!!
@@gerdbilger2775 Never heard off it!! My Milano 440 "yes I bought one about 8mths ago" is clearly made in Shineray and then shipped to Italy, where it’s assembled and placed into the chassis by the Italian crews!! It's fun cheap and I've had a ball riding it daily to work and on the weekend with my mates Cheers...
A written review from AMCN: amcn.com.au/editorial/13765/
from the side, as per the review, that bike doesn't seem to sit right to me, as compared with the royal enfield you showed for example.
Just an added not to Mike ...
Please get your information correct .
Check out SWM's video link and you will see all the bikes being manufactured in the brand new SWM factory just outside MIlan . AS far as I can assertain the only link with China could be that some parts may be manufactured but then most bikes in the world have parts made in China
So to say it's part Chinese is nonsence, much like saying 30% of all Triumphs are Chinese. I think this gives the wrong impression of the bike being possibly substandard and not an original Italian bike .
SWM's are as Italian as say Ducati or Benelli .
And as to the comment about it being a Chinese derived Yamaha 400 , well I don't know , do people just make this stuff up because it sounds good ...
Again the only connection there may be is that the engine does look like a Yamaha 400 single but then it also looks like an old Suzuki SP or A Honda 500 FT...
SWM are an old Italian company that made bikes in the 70's and much like many Italian company's they have had there up's and down's .
Over the past few years there has a big cash injection and now they are functioning independently.
Like I wrote earlier, go to the UK site which will lead you to an assortment of info .
You will see all the bikes being manufactured .
You will see in these little films , real Italian people working on the engines , building the bikes , you will also see the production line with bikes in different stages of construction ...
I hope this helps , because reviews like yours certainly don't ...www.swmmotorcycles.co.uk
SWM was bought by the Chinese company Shineray in 2014. The three classic SWMs including the Gran Milano are based on Shineray designs and use chinese engines. Nothing wrong with that, they are nice bikes, well priced and I like them.
imo reviewing a bike after 30 km ride is pointless. its like youtube is full of videos of people reviewing knives that obviousle havent been used and look brand new