Brake Pad Showdown | EBC vs Hawk Brake Pads
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2020
- We are back with another episode of Versus. This is going to be a fun one, because today we are comparing brake pads. We are going to be testing the EBC Redstuff brake pads vs Hawk HP Plus pads.
Brake pads are an often overlooked upgrade by many enthusiasts looking to improve their cars performance, yet they can be one of the most effective upgrades, besides tires, to improve lap times at the track. Oftentimes what makes a good pad for a stock daily, leaves something to be desired when we start upgrading and modifying our cars.
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It should be Hawk HP Plus vs Yellow stuff and Hawk HPS5.0 vs Red Stuff. The HP Plus is slightly on the track pad spectrum, same as yellow stuff.
That's exactly what I was thinking and about to comment. Red stuff are just sporty daily pads.
Additionally, ebc pads take a couple hundred miles to fully bed in and can take up to 1000 miles before you reach peak performance.
"Use brakes with minimal pressure for first 100 miles from urban speeds of 30-50 mph only.
Drive a further 250 miles using slightly increased brake pressure and load UNLESS in an emergency in which case apply brake as hard as required."
"Fully bedding new pads to decent condition worn discs/rotors may take only 200-300 miles"
Straight from their website.
Honestly, this is a shit comparison, from testing to knowledge base. If anything, the only takeaway is that they're both better than stock.
Also, no offense to this dude, at least he was trying to do something informational and useful.
Agree not a fair comparison would of really liked to see the correct hawk pads vs red stuff!
What about Orange Stuff? EBC's top of the line pads.
@@Polemicist_ Top of the line in what? Comfort, dust, braking power, longevity... When comparing pads, I was referring to the category or should I say temperature range the pads was intended for. A top of the line everyday pad for a luxury sedan would be a terrible choice for a top of the line pad that is more race track or performance driving.
I used Hawk Street/Race but they discontinued that so now it is on to Carbotech XP8. Maybe even XP10 next time.
Solid content. Was on the fence about buying high performance pads . You convinced me . The differences were massive . Thanks and good work!
Would've been better if the pads were more similar but I do appreciate the differentiation between the three. I've used EBC Yellowstuff in the past and they worked well for me with no noise and some increased dusting which I found to be an acceptable tradeoff for increased brake performance.
Just upgraded to some Redstuff on my Alfa Romeo Giulietta QV (~260hp). Not done with the bedding process yet thou (did it today), but so far they feel/bite nice compared to the OEM Brembos.
I'm a "Spirited" driver" and like curvy country roads and meeting fast cars at the traffic light, i´m not doing tracks.
The OEM Brembos did stop me 1 foot / 30 cm before being involved in a multi-car high way accident (no serious person damage) and I assume the Mercedes stopping 1 foot / 30 cm behind me had Brembos too. So absolutely not complaining about the OEM Brembo pads, I owe those brakes a lot.
Me and my car left without a scratch, but with a car covered in oil, battery acid and cooling fluid, I guess it was ....a pain getting of the windscreen.
Tire´s and brakes has always been my top priority, now more than ever. If you like driving (too) fast, you better make sure you can stop again :D
PS: I live in Denmark, so highway speed here is 80 mph / 130kmt. This happened when it was dark and wet, so was only driving around 65mph i think.
I literally looked for a video like this yesterday.... thanks yall
Being that I'm not gonna take my daily driver to the track, nor am I a race car driver, the red stuff is perfect alone for the mere fact that brake dust is not even a thing with those, and with the addition that they stop damn good as well.
EBC red stuff pads produce almost no brake dust, thats why I use them. If you saw any "dust" in this test, that was just the break-in coating coming off.
So are they good for daily driver that needs good stopping power in traffic?
@@sean.g4516 I use them on a Crown Vic (heavy sedan) with 600+lbs of car audio gear and heavy 22" wheels. These brakes perform great for me, and don't get my wheels dirty with brake dust.
yeah thats utter bullshit lol. I can clean my wheels and within a day of semi-aggressive driving the fronts are a completely different shade of silver than the rears.
@@gdowdyyupp performance brake pads will always have more dust
@@DavidGarcia-oi5ntRedstuff isn’t a performance pad though. It’s worse than a European OEM semi metal pad except for dust. Redstuff is a very low dust pad. The Hawk HP+ in this test, on the other hand, is a dusty performance pad.
Had a set of hawks on my old heavy yukon. They didn't seem to have much stopping power but they still had a ton of life left , then tried some brembos , those had some serious stopping power but didn't last very long , just got a set of the ebc yellows with the rotors. TBA!
Good video with proper content , more of this , less youtubers showing 1 minute of what’s in title and then 15 of them fucking about with mates and going Mc Donald’s ! Top work x
curious of the break-in compound that comes with new EBC's could impact the results here.
Was just thinking about ordering some pads .😎 Gotta love your guy’s timing.
FACT'S I'm looking into the Hawks go by SP performance double drill slotted rotors
I've been using Hawk HP Plus pads for years I have virtually zero break noise.
Follow their instructions for the bed-in
Nothing says performance like a dual piston caliper station wagon. Sorry, I just couldn't resist. Great quality vid!!
EBC Green stuff pads and Hawk performance rotors the best combo
can we get any numbers, even rough numbers? Like what was the oem stopping distance, from what speed? What was the decrease in distance from after market pads? Every foot counts, right?
FIRST ONE HERE!! LOVE YOU GUYS KEEP THE CONTENT GOING !!!
EBC red stuff has been a good choice for me. Smoked them once during the break in period, but that happens sometimes
Thought redstuff wasnt made for the trackdays, better to use blue or yellow stuff in my opinion ✊
What pad would be the quites for 71 chevelle with stick rotors I hate squeels
I'm curious if they performed the brake in/bedding for each one of these pads and if so would bedding various brake pads on the same rotor within a short period of time affect these results in any way.
Edit: break in/bedding
I was wondering the same thing. I know both pads tested require bedding.
Yeahhh, all pads require bedding in. I was thinking the same, but the comparison should not be tooo far off. Doubtful the red stuff would overcome the HP Plus and the two will only continue to be better than stock. Just don’t use their measurements to choose a breaking point. Haha
I’ll take three identical cars, brand new tires. Brand new rotors and pads, same day + time, same temperature and same road, and do the test. This test is more affordable but too many variables, using the same rotor for all three pads isn’t fair
Any pads that need to be beaded are bull shook pads.
Miss the 2 minute tuesdays!! ☹️☹️
I believe the EBC yellow stuff pads are more of a comparison to the Hawk HP Plus. Great testing tho. I prefer EBC of these 2 brands, but I prefer Carbotech above all other Brands.
We actually wanted to run Carbotech as well, but didn't have an XT pad readily available.
Never heard of carbotech till now but thanks for mentioning this brand
Very nice test, i think it would of been nice to use different color tape for each brake pad and then show an overview photo to see the scatter pattern :). Also, i know EBC has a special bedding coating on the pads before they are 100% efficient, then needed to be used at least 200 km / 125 miles, unsure about the Hawk as i never used them :)
Prior to this years performance package coming with the brembos, some of the previous years came with high performance Jurid pads in the front. Do you guys have any data on how those compare to other aftermarket pads?
To są standardowe klocki tak jak fabryczne
Ive been using hawk ceramics yellow for the last 10 years they only squealed for the 1st month or so like 10 years ago.
GD that Forester is sick
I like my Redstuff pads a lot. They wear a lil fast with my cheap slotted rotors though.
Ya I've heard slotted rotors eat pads a bit how dusty are they
To wina tarcz nacinanych nie polecam
I really wish you would have put the HP+ against the Yellow stuff the red stuff is closer to thr 5.0
ive tried both brands for heavy towing... honestly, they'll give a different brake feel, but theyre all so close now in terms of quality
That's what's up I was thinking about going with the Hawkins I just ordered front and back double drill slotted rotors front and back for a 07 Chrysler Aspen 5.7
Do this again...but with a blind test...meaning Kevin not knowing which brake pad goes on....
After using LOTS of different mfg pads I've settled on EBC. Why? because of the consistency between different models of pads. They are always top-notch, as are their rotors.
For street I will stick to red stuff.
MAN I'M RUNNING SOME EBC RED STUFF ON MY 2014 BMW 335I XDRIVE AND THEY SOUND LIKE A BIG TRUCK FROM DAY ONE, I PUT BRAKE QUIET AND STILL! WHEN I BREAK MY CAR SOUND LIKE A TRUCK! CRAZYYYY NOISE
I realize how important it is for me to get my brakes upgraded when I get my car protuned. It will be good to get my car increased in power but I need the braking power to back it up.
There you go making sense they going to take you away and put you in that giggle room
That's what I'm slowly doing working on my vehicle for performance wise something that ain't seen on this vehicle I just order my front and back rotors I'm looking into the Hawking pads
So EBC themselves do not say that the red stuff pads are track pads. In fact they explicitly say in their explanation video that they aren't. They are meant to be street pads that are an upgrade over OEM. That being said, I guess you can technically take anything to the track. Also, you didn't say whether you went through the proper bedding process for either. If you didn't ebc pads come with an abrasive outer coating to help the bedding procedure. They don't need thermal cycling really, but they do recommend about 500 miles of normal driving without super hard stops. Obviously if you've gotta you gotta but the bed process is super important here. If you didn't bed the pads the way the manufacturer recommends then it's not really an accurate test. This is my issue with reviews and test videos like this that don't run the pads for long periods to really get them seated completely. Still a good video though.
What about the TRW
I want the best stopping power for the street, no track, no racing. And I dont care about noise or dust. And I want good cold bite, The Hawk Brake looks like it had really impressive even compared to the EBC red, but you said it was better for track? Does it require a warm up or something to get the results that beat EBC red?
Get ebc yellow stuff a little more pricey but exactly what your looking for. Make sure to put lots of brake lube on the back plates when you install both brands are squeaky at the start. The warm up for brake pads is usually 500 miles. Generally take it light during that period. What car?
Hey thanks for replying! its a 2018 subaru wrx. The stock brakes seem fine but Im down for better, even if a little bit. Im on 245 width Michelein pilot sport 4s. And when I mean warm up, I meant some people said certain after market brakes need to "get up to temperature" before the brake good. I just need my brakes to be good from the get go in case of emergency. I dont exactly have time to take "practice laps" before I go to work or places.@@explicitcontent305
2nd one woo
Red stuff are not a track pads, in fact you can ruin them on the track by over heating them. They are though, very good street pads.
Yellow stuff pads on the other hand thrive and improve with heat.
Jesus lol it's been several years since I did my own break job but I forgot how $$ hawk pads were. No wonder I opted to do it myself lmao
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IMO stick to Hawk HPS vs any EBC pads for daily driving and hard braking. They use an organic compound. Ceramics no matter what, in my experience, will make resonance or noise when braking. Bought into the EBC hype 17 years ago and had noise and poor braking. Bought Hawk HPS after and never looked back. Put them on 8 different cars and never had a noise or braking issue with any of them. Braking feel, bite and distance always improved over stock.
Im looking into the Hawkins go ahead and get them today
Ceramic isn't hype sir. If they squeal, they've been bed in wrong, or contaminated during install. I've fitted hundreds of brake pads, probably a couple thousand actually, and outside of pure track pads none should squeal with standard heat.
The pads, esp. EBC, need a break in before u can tests them. The EBC has a break in coating.
When tuning anything remember you have...performance, reliability cost..
But you can only ever have two.
Sorry but that's the rules.
Good to know this will fit my 13 Legacy 3.6 ...oh wait you guys don't sell anything for us Leggy guys also not too bad stopping as most likely you guys had older pad transfer layers on the same rotors!
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WE WANT MORR FORESTER CONTENT
Surpaspeed???
That is FTSpeed's Supra
The test car is a station wagon! 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm scratching my head wondering why you selected those hawk pads to compare? The DTC 60 can't be touched by any of the pads in your selection and the hawk pads you have on your review are adequate at best disappointing bro you ever get on a race track
This was more of a comparison of entry level performance pads. I've driven on the track with the Hawk HP+ and they hold up fine. Of course they're not going to perform as well as a DTC 60, but for most people starting out, it gets the job done.
This video was very helpful as I'm in the market for Rotors and Brakes upgrade from the OEM Rotors & pads. I have a 2016 Legacy 3.6r Limited and the car has problems stopping. I have avoided many accidents in the past. So I bought new tires and now I'm looking for rotors & pads upgrade
Recent new tires upgrade from Dealer installed GoodYear - czcams.com/video/nmoL30BZQDA/video.html
Red stuff pads aren't for racing. Yellow and blue are for racing
I get the cheapest pads , it stops me from tailgating😅.
EBC redstuff is not for the track. It's stated directly from EBC. A daily driver who occasionally goes to the track for a few laps should use yellow stuff. DO NOT use redstuff for track/autocross.
Choice of pads has nothing to do with power! Pad/disc type should be matched to the required retardation needed - nothing else. Environmental conditions and friction are the variables.
I was forced to buy something with no discount... :/
Filming while merging onto the highway... & staring straight into the camera... ***Edit, you're right, you checked several times. What a stud!***. Still, I watched until the end, and you added nothing new to an age-old discussion. Glad you're learning the basics though! Congrats!
***Side note, you need diamonds or something in your ear studs bro. That's pretty sad to see a piece of plastic in your ear! ROFL. Maybe carbon fiber? IDK, but that's just distracting as HELL!! Why? Because it's just a piece of plastic...
Probably would be of benefit to at least take a few HPDE classes and be a better driver 1st. /wink.
Looks like you missed the multiple times I checked the mirror and over my shoulder.
I'm sorry a piece of plastic on my ear is distracting to you.
That being said, I'll be at Mid-Ohio, Gingerman, and Road America at the Gridlife events if you think you're a better driver :)
@@KevinVo Sweet. I applaud your confidence! If I can get out there I'll let you know. Absolutely would love to show you the difference between being a law abiding citizen and a race track driver =-D
You never beded the pads.
We did just not on camera ;)
45 to 0, why not 60 to 0?
the place we decided to use for testing did not have enough room to get up to speed at 60 mph
@@SubiSpeed great testing, gives a good relative comparison. Which pad had ABS kick in sooner for the given tire that was equipped?
@@edwardtan4631 Definitely the Hawk HP Plus pads.
How about 115 down to 30
Why not 130 to 0 to 50 to 0 to 60 and back down to 0? 🤔
Your stock pads are probably better than those pads.
Better in what way? Certainly not in a performance aspect.
I’m gunna guess the American prefers and is biased towards the American pads
Wow that soccer mom car is SUPER SIIIIICCCKKK DDUUUUUUDE
EBC brake pads are complete garbage. Worst case of making something expensive to make it appear high quality. EBC won’t even bite when cold, when it does but it’s weak sauce. It heats up your rotors and will warp it.
Which ones did you buy? Track pads don’t work unless they are hot. And rotors don’t warp.
@@MuckG the red stuff. Rotors do warp. Just got your drivers license huh
@@minguyen-rl7sn if only you had a degree. People may say that the rotors are “warped” but it is actually just buildup.
@@MuckG you have a degree in rotors? Its warped.
@@minguyen-rl7sn do you have a hs diploma or a GED?
Wish you would test NRS pads
I just can't understand how tu fuck people still use EBC... definetly if you think EBC is good, you haven't tried many stuff... ALWAYS stick to pagid, pfc, ferodo, endless, brembo and reputable brands... pagid RSL pads probably triplicate the cost of ebc, but they last 4 times more with 10 times more performance and don't destroy discs...i would only use EBC pads for my daily drive car that does not require any performance driving at all.. worst shit i've ever used in my track car
The information is backwards in this video. Delete it. Do some research.
Hawk hps better ebc
EBC redstuff is absolute garbage of apad. anyone who knows anything about braking systems wouldnt recommend EBC pads at all.. try flogging them on a track. they turn to shit real fast and start braking up. i know so. i tried them once never again!
Ebc states specifically that their Redstuff pads are NOT FOR TRACK USE.
@@Adam1nToronto agree