I, as a amazigh from souss can understand the rifis. Lets be honest. The Gouvernement of morocco has nothing to do with imazighn but its french and arab. But in my opinion it wouldnt be the best idea to seperate from morocco. What we need is a united State of imazighn or something like that
this not posiblle because the most of Sousi Amazighs are aan the side of the dictator king muha sex , and Sous region become to be a front and a moeras of sextoerisme
Thanks for the video, we Riffians love all Imazighen, but are against the French borders and pan-Arab fascism in North Africa. How I see it: It is the Moroccan Imazighen who separate themselves from the rest of the Imazighen and not the Riffians. Riffians want unity with all Imazighen throughout North Africa and do not limit themselves to the French borders. Indeed, the Riffians do not want anything to do with the French creation called Morocco. This state promoting Arab fascism and eradicating Imazighen. Also don't forget that Morocco fought with France and Spain against Arif republic. In 1959 Morocco committed another mass murder against the Riffians and the province of Al Hoceima has since been a military zone.
@@patriotemarocaine what the hell is wrong with you ? U call yourself marrocan patriot but you say fuck tamazgha. Wa antaia sa3ma weld blad. 7chuma 3alk
Thanks for your input and time! A society where citizens are not able to say what they believe for fear of the mob will not survive. When People fear their goverments there is tirrani! T. Jefferson!
Great insights brother, You have spotted the real issue which incites people to release compulsive prejudgments. We have to understand one another. The whole point is not about separation of us from you, it's a matter of freedom, struggle, and solution to the current situation of the Alluit problem. Riffians have these feelings of abandanment by their brothers Imazighen when it comes to struggle against the Moroccan regime, so if there is no mutual support (I am talking about practical and realistic support not sympathetic one, because we are struggling with the same problem and not just the Rif problem to sympathise with)
I myself am a Riffian and for an independent Rif Republic. If Morocco were a just Amazigh nation then an independent Rif Republic would not be necessary. Sadly, Morocco is an unjust pan-Arab prostitution paradise and any self-respecting individual should distance himself from Morocco. It is quite dubious that Imazighen in the center and south of Morocco find it strange that Riffians want to separate from Morocco. Learn the history of today's Morocco and the Moroccan royal family and you will immediately understand why the RIF has no love for the evil that is called Morocco.
Thanks to the Riffians and the Black guard the Alouites took the power over Morocco, the Atlas Berbers and the Souss Berbers fought the Alouites under the Zouia of Dila. Meanwhile the Riffians fought on the side of the Alouites and now the Riffians are crying about opression. You get what you deserved
@@Revitalization4241 huh? Jaych Rifi were only used to liberate the northern cities (Tangier, Tetouane, Asila...) from Christians and repopulate them. Moulay Ismaïl was the only Alawite that Riffians appreciated and had good terms with, also Zemmours (Berber of Atlas) supported him and fought at his side. Stop falsifying history --' Just to add, the majority of Moroccan goumiers who fought Riffians during the Rif war were Amazigh from the Atlas and Soussi sent by el Glaoui likewise those who massacred Riffian civilians during Rif revolt (at their head the amazigh of south Mohamed Oufkir) So to dare to say that riffiains were traitors is a bit strong lol
@@oasisv2899 The Zemmour were the only tribe of the Atlas who sided with Ismail the rest didn't, Ismail tolerated the Riffians because the Riffians didn't showed any resistance to him. It's Ismail who started the pacification and thanks to him the Alouite dynasty are now ruling the western lands what we now call Morocco(you had good terms with the most Berberphobic sultan). Funny how you come up with the Goumiers, the Goumiers only belonged to the French forces and only a small portion was send to the Rif in the late stages of the war(the Rif war), the troops that were mostly sended to Rif were Spahis(Arab calvary) and most native troops who fought the Rif republic were Riffians themselves, they served in the Regulares Indigenas. Funny how you come up with Oufkir since Medbouh(a Riffian) also put down alot of Berber peasant revolts in the Atlas. Not to mention the Riffian rebels in 1959 had note with all there demands on it for the King(Mohammed V) and point sixteen in there letter was a complete Arabisation for the Rif (don't believe me you can buy the book Tribal sociaty of rural Moroccco or see it on Riftime)
@@oasisv2899 In January 1957 there was an armed revolt against the king by Brahim Zedki Addi ou Bihi, the governor of Tafilalt province. Captain Mohamed Medbough was leader of one of two infantry battalions that moved into the mountains to suppress the revolt, which was achieved without difficulty. (Hughes, Stephen O 2006-03-01 Morocco under King Hassan page 86)
@@oasisv2899 After the release of Mohammed Mmis n Rhaj Sellam Amezian (1925-1995) from prison, he was visited by Riffians who complained about the crisis, the tyranny of the Istiqlal party and asked him for advice. He declared that he did everything in his power to prevent them from engaging in armed combat because they did not have any weapons at their disposal; this crisis had to be resolved with common sense. To this end, a committee was set up to conduct the negotiations. This committee consisted of: Mohammed Mmis n Rhaj Sellam Amezian, an uncle of his Muhand Amezian, son of Abdelkrim Khattabi, Rachid Khattabi and a few resistance fighters who fought together with Abdelkrim against the occupiers. And there is a set of demands, the son of Mohammed Mmis n Rhaj Sellam Amezian speaks about 17 demands, while the anthropologist David Montgomery Hart (1927-2001) speaks about 18 demands. For example, they demanded that all foreign armies should leave the Reef, Abdelkrim el Khattabi should return to the Rif. All political parties had to be disbanded in order to form a national government, release all prisoners and accelerate the Arabization. Mohammed Mmis n Rhaj Sellam Amezian says that they were received by King Mohammed V who promised to meet the demands. He even says that a few demands have actually been met. According to the son of Mohammed Mmis n Rhaj Sellam Amezian, Ben Barka changed the king’s mind. He told him that the Riffians were looking for independence. At the same time, the Riffians sent all Moroccan officials out of the Rif. Source:Riftime When you think about it, Oufkir put a rebellion down that wanted Arabisation.
@@noraxx4228 first of all ! If Someone should to speak in that morrocco is " imazighen of atlas " cause we are the poorest and we don't have human rights etc... even that we want to stay with our imazighen brothers and sisters ... some rifains are séparatist no plus ...
Allah dylk ma3ndo ma yketter albgl, kon bhalo kon mta9ef a rrifi da3ichi.. rakom walitu dwa3ech. Swassa mta9fin 3likom o bzzaf ... swassa hafdo ta9afthum ntoma wlito 3ruban mamsukhin bla ta9afa.
@@Revitalization4241 Dude. I am as amazigh as can be. If an arab tells me to not speak tmazigt I will tell him go back to middle east(If I have a good day otherwise I will beat the shit out of him ) As for my comment regarding us not dividing. I am riffian ,so we divide rif from rest of Morocco and give the arabs the rest ? That doesnt make sense. And leqbayel wil divide and have what? tizi ouzou and some other small regions like cherchel? The french love ut when we divide. The europeans used to visit my home and you know what they told me? Why are you muslim because you dont look arab (as if islam is arabism ) .They tried to use emotion to drag me into christianity but I am not interested in christianity because I reject contradictions . As for vanishing. That depends upon ourselves. If you stop speaking tmazigt then yes (the next generation wil not speak it ). It happened to the jbala people in norther morocco .They used to be riffians but arabised . Language is important so we need to preserve the language.You accuse me (without understanding my point or stance towards tamazigt) . But lets dig through that. Since when did kabyles talk about rif? Go to algerian berbere tv or kabyle website(nothing at all) . WE need to unite in order to be stronger .Waving flag in streets wil not help. People need to organize (within north africa and outside).
@@abdulazizb2154 Have you read ibn khaldun. Nations that are subjects to other nations are doomed to vanish. Morocco and Algerian are Arab states, it doesn't matter if they are located on native Amazigh soil the fact remains that they are Arab states, only way for Berbers to survive is to create there own countries if you like it or not. Create independent Berber states and start a reconquista to take the rest(that won't probaly happen) so plan b is just protect whay you still have left, thats what the Finno-Urgics did. The whole "i dont want to divide" doesn't help much it will lead to your own end as a nation
Ik ben Riffijn en zou nooit Marokko verdelen omdat onze imazighen voorouders Marokko gesticht hebben. Oud Mauritanië moet verenigd blijven. Liever is onze land verenigd onder een dictatuur dan dat we verdeeld zijn. Ik blijf mijn land steunen en zie geen alternatief. Moge Allah swt ons verenigen en van elkaar houden omwille van Allah. Moge Allah swt onze leiders leiden en beschermen. Moge ons beschermen tegen begeerte en hebzucht.
Zo werkt het niet helemaal. Historisch gezien kunnen we namelijk spreken van de rif als een Bled es-Siba, waar de koning van Marokko enkel een religieuze staatshoofd is. Hoewel de stammen in Rif niet per se direct onder controle was van de Makhzen, werd het spirituele gezag van de koning altijd geaccepteerd. Pas na de introductie van het kolonialisme zien we een integratie van de Rif met de rest van Marokko. Riffijnen hebben altijd een zekere mate van autonomie gekend en het moet mogelijk zijn een soort compromis te sluiten om meer zelf-regie te hebben over deze autonomie.
I say you need to be careful why? creation of new countries is what happens when you oppress people. South Sudan is the Newest country in Africa...it happened because of Opressing a whole group that eventually created its own country. there are many other examples...We now see how Lybia is in the verge of splitting. The point all Imazighen want to be united...if you oppress them, ban their language, ban their names, deny they are the rightful owners and the majority in North Africa...don't come later and cry that it was once one country. Take Iraq for example, you now Have Kurdistan which doing much better economically but we all know why they have their own country now? Seddam wanted an Arab nation when Most Iraqis are ethnically Kurds....do you see my point now? you can laugh all you want but god doesnt like injustice.
@@fazemocro1755 I don't care what you believe...I am telling you if you oppress people you get what you deserve. Morocco is not Iraq, Morocco is not Serbia either, and out of Serbia came Montenegro as a newly independent country just in 2008, the same thing with Kosovo. You can take your time and see how many videos are out there on youtube describing how "great" life and economy were in Lybia..even Many Moroccans went and worked in Lybia back then.....less than a decade...you now hear Amazigh music, Tamazight being spoken and so after being silenced for many many years...don't be fooled by relative stability...it can change anytime....most of the people u hear demanding separation are doing so because they dont accept to be treated as less in their own land. Have a good day
I, as a amazigh from souss can understand the rifis. Lets be honest. The Gouvernement of morocco has nothing to do with imazighn but its french and arab. But in my opinion it wouldnt be the best idea to seperate from morocco. What we need is a united State of imazighn or something like that
Thanks man, nice seeing your comments again, been a while since I posted anything
this not posiblle because the most of Sousi Amazighs are aan the side of the dictator king muha sex , and Sous region become to be a front and a
moeras of sextoerisme
@@ricovermallen5280 Don't generalize and be polite in your comments. Thank you
@@ricovermallen5280 i am a soussi and i am not on the side of the king because ha makes nothing for the maroccan people, in my opinion
Fuck you
Thanks for the video, we Riffians love all Imazighen, but are against the French borders and pan-Arab fascism in North Africa.
How I see it:
It is the Moroccan Imazighen who separate themselves from the rest of the Imazighen and not the Riffians. Riffians want unity with all Imazighen throughout North Africa and do not limit themselves to the French borders.
Indeed, the Riffians do not want anything to do with the French creation called Morocco. This state promoting Arab fascism and eradicating Imazighen.
Also don't forget that Morocco fought with France and Spain against Arif republic. In 1959 Morocco committed another mass murder against the Riffians and the province of Al Hoceima has since been a military zone.
Thanks for the insight into how Riffians think, appreciate it
Morocco is not a French creation 😂 go learn your history, poor shithole.
PS : fuck Tamazgha, it will never exist
@@patriotemarocaine what the hell is wrong with you ? U call yourself marrocan patriot but you say fuck tamazgha. Wa antaia sa3ma weld blad. 7chuma 3alk
@@patriotemarocaine do a dna test and say hi to your amazigh dad
@@rumpelstilzchen5274 because my country is Morocco, not Tamazgha.
I'm berber but fuck Tamazgha
Thanks for your input and time!
A society where citizens are not able to say what they believe for fear of the mob will not survive.
When People fear their goverments
there is tirrani! T. Jefferson!
Thank you
¡Viva la República del Rif!
Great insights brother, You have spotted the real issue which incites people to release compulsive prejudgments. We have to understand one another. The whole point is not about separation of us from you, it's a matter of freedom, struggle, and solution to the current situation of the Alluit problem. Riffians have these feelings of abandanment by their brothers Imazighen when it comes to struggle against the Moroccan regime, so if there is no mutual support (I am talking about practical and realistic support not sympathetic one, because we are struggling with the same problem and not just the Rif problem to sympathise with)
Thank you for watching, please subscribe if you have not already.
@@jamalbenhamou I have already.
Rif should be independent
Yes!!!
Moge Allah swt alle moslims verenigen ipv verdelen.
I myself am a Riffian and for an independent Rif Republic. If Morocco were a just Amazigh nation then an independent Rif Republic would not be necessary. Sadly, Morocco is an unjust pan-Arab prostitution paradise and any self-respecting individual should distance himself from Morocco. It is quite dubious that Imazighen in the center and south of Morocco find it strange that Riffians want to separate from Morocco. Learn the history of today's Morocco and the Moroccan royal family and you will immediately understand why the RIF has no love for the evil that is called Morocco.
Thanks to the Riffians and the Black guard the Alouites took the power over Morocco, the Atlas Berbers and the Souss Berbers fought the Alouites under the Zouia of Dila. Meanwhile the Riffians fought on the side of the Alouites and now the Riffians are crying about opression. You get what you deserved
@@Revitalization4241 huh? Jaych Rifi were only used to liberate the northern cities (Tangier, Tetouane, Asila...) from Christians and repopulate them. Moulay Ismaïl was the only Alawite that Riffians appreciated and had good terms with, also Zemmours (Berber of Atlas) supported him and fought at his side. Stop falsifying history --'
Just to add, the majority of Moroccan goumiers who fought Riffians during the Rif war were Amazigh from the Atlas and Soussi sent by el Glaoui likewise those who massacred Riffian civilians during Rif revolt (at their head the amazigh of south Mohamed Oufkir)
So to dare to say that riffiains were traitors is a bit strong lol
@@oasisv2899 The Zemmour were the only tribe of the Atlas who sided with Ismail the rest didn't, Ismail tolerated the Riffians because the Riffians didn't showed any resistance to him. It's Ismail who started the pacification and thanks to him the Alouite dynasty are now ruling the western lands what we now call Morocco(you had good terms with the most Berberphobic sultan).
Funny how you come up with the Goumiers, the Goumiers only belonged to the French forces and only a small portion was send to the Rif in the late stages of the war(the Rif war), the troops that were mostly sended to Rif were Spahis(Arab calvary) and most native troops who fought the Rif republic were Riffians themselves, they served in the Regulares Indigenas. Funny how you come up with Oufkir since Medbouh(a Riffian) also put down alot of Berber peasant revolts in the Atlas. Not to mention the Riffian rebels in 1959 had note with all there demands on it for the King(Mohammed V) and point sixteen in there letter was a complete Arabisation for the Rif (don't believe me you can buy the book Tribal sociaty of rural Moroccco or see it on Riftime)
@@oasisv2899 In January 1957 there was an armed revolt against the king by Brahim Zedki Addi ou Bihi, the governor of Tafilalt province. Captain Mohamed Medbough was leader of one of two infantry battalions that moved into the mountains to suppress the revolt, which was achieved without difficulty.
(Hughes, Stephen O 2006-03-01 Morocco under King Hassan page 86)
@@oasisv2899 After the release of Mohammed Mmis n Rhaj Sellam Amezian (1925-1995) from prison, he was visited by Riffians who complained about the crisis, the tyranny of the Istiqlal party and asked him for advice.
He declared that he did everything in his power to prevent them from engaging in armed combat because they did not have any weapons at their disposal; this crisis had to be resolved with common sense.
To this end, a committee was set up to conduct the negotiations. This committee consisted of: Mohammed Mmis n Rhaj Sellam Amezian, an uncle of his Muhand Amezian, son of Abdelkrim Khattabi, Rachid Khattabi and a few resistance fighters who fought together with Abdelkrim against the occupiers. And there is a set of demands, the son of Mohammed Mmis n Rhaj Sellam Amezian speaks about 17 demands, while the anthropologist David Montgomery Hart (1927-2001) speaks about 18 demands.
For example, they demanded that all foreign armies should leave the Reef, Abdelkrim el Khattabi should return to the Rif. All political parties had to be disbanded in order to form a national government, release all prisoners and accelerate the Arabization. Mohammed Mmis n Rhaj Sellam Amezian says that they were received by King Mohammed V who promised to meet the demands. He even says that a few demands have actually been met. According to the son of Mohammed Mmis n Rhaj Sellam Amezian, Ben Barka changed the king’s mind. He told him that the Riffians were looking for independence. At the same time, the Riffians sent all Moroccan officials out of the Rif.
Source:Riftime
When you think about it, Oufkir put a rebellion down that wanted Arabisation.
viva la republica de rif 1921
Ayuz
azul awma.. si arif
Hi there, I think we should live each others, every one respects tradition and culture at least we are human being,
We only want peace and human rights but say that to them they still treat us amazighen very poorly
@@noraxx4228 inchalah tout ira mieux
@@noraxx4228 first of all ! If Someone should to speak in that morrocco is " imazighen of atlas " cause we are the poorest and we don't have human rights etc... even that we want to stay with our imazighen brothers and sisters ... some rifains are séparatist no plus ...
@@ghiles.a You said in a other video that you were a arab?
@@noraxx4228 They treat you poor because you let them, you are a definition of a weak people.
أنا ريفي وعجباتني هضرتك...أول مرة تانشوف سوسي ماشي عياشي وماشي ملكي....صراحة أحييك ...الله يكثر من أمثالك بسوس
Allah dylk ma3ndo ma yketter albgl, kon bhalo kon mta9ef a rrifi da3ichi.. rakom walitu dwa3ech. Swassa mta9fin 3likom o bzzaf ... swassa hafdo ta9afthum ntoma wlito 3ruban mamsukhin bla ta9afa.
Sewar langlais mamch yessaaar netta .. ba3ad il 3arabia n takhna
as muslims we are already divided so should rif or leqbayel become autonomous? No .
With your mentality the Berbers will truly vanish
@@Revitalization4241 Dude. I am as amazigh as can be. If an arab tells me to not speak tmazigt I will tell him go back to middle east(If I have a good day otherwise I will beat the shit out of him )
As for my comment regarding us not dividing. I am riffian ,so we divide rif from rest of Morocco and give the arabs the rest ? That doesnt make sense. And leqbayel wil divide and have what? tizi ouzou and some other small regions like cherchel? The french love ut when we divide. The europeans used to visit my home and you know what they told me? Why are you muslim because you dont look arab (as if islam is arabism ) .They tried to use emotion to drag me into christianity but I am not interested in christianity because I reject contradictions .
As for vanishing. That depends upon ourselves. If you stop speaking tmazigt then yes (the next generation wil not speak it ). It happened to the jbala people in norther morocco .They used to be riffians but arabised . Language is important so we need to preserve the language.You accuse me (without understanding my point or stance towards tamazigt) . But lets dig through that. Since when did kabyles talk about rif? Go to algerian berbere tv or kabyle website(nothing at all) . WE need to unite in order to be stronger .Waving flag in streets wil not help. People need to organize (within north africa and outside).
@@abdulazizb2154 Have you read ibn khaldun.
Nations that are subjects to other nations are doomed to vanish.
Morocco and Algerian are Arab states, it doesn't matter if they are located on native Amazigh soil the fact remains that they are Arab states, only way for Berbers to survive is to create there own countries if you like it or not. Create independent Berber states and start a reconquista to take the rest(that won't probaly happen) so plan b is just protect whay you still have left, thats what the Finno-Urgics did. The whole "i dont want to divide" doesn't help much it will lead to your own end as a nation
Ik ben Riffijn en zou nooit Marokko verdelen omdat onze imazighen voorouders Marokko gesticht hebben. Oud Mauritanië moet verenigd blijven. Liever is onze land verenigd onder een dictatuur dan dat we verdeeld zijn. Ik blijf mijn land steunen en zie geen alternatief. Moge Allah swt ons verenigen en van elkaar houden omwille van Allah. Moge Allah swt onze leiders leiden en beschermen. Moge ons beschermen tegen begeerte en hebzucht.
Zo werkt het niet helemaal. Historisch gezien kunnen we namelijk spreken van de rif als een Bled es-Siba, waar de koning van Marokko enkel een religieuze staatshoofd is. Hoewel de stammen in Rif niet per se direct onder controle was van de Makhzen, werd het spirituele gezag van de koning altijd geaccepteerd. Pas na de introductie van het kolonialisme zien we een integratie van de Rif met de rest van Marokko. Riffijnen hebben altijd een zekere mate van autonomie gekend en het moet mogelijk zijn een soort compromis te sluiten om meer zelf-regie te hebben over deze autonomie.
Verenigd onder Arabisch dictatuur? Nee dank je
No
Lmfaoo you’re never getting an independent country lets get this straight dima maghrib 🇲🇦💪🏽
I say you need to be careful why? creation of new countries is what happens when you oppress people. South Sudan is the Newest country in Africa...it happened because of Opressing a whole group that eventually created its own country. there are many other examples...We now see how Lybia is in the verge of splitting. The point all Imazighen want to be united...if you oppress them, ban their language, ban their names, deny they are the rightful owners and the majority in North Africa...don't come later and cry that it was once one country. Take Iraq for example, you now Have Kurdistan which doing much better economically but we all know why they have their own country now? Seddam wanted an Arab nation when Most Iraqis are ethnically Kurds....do you see my point now? you can laugh all you want but god doesnt like injustice.
@@jamalbenhamou god doesnt exist
@@jamalbenhamou also morocco isnt iraq
@@fazemocro1755 I don't care what you believe...I am telling you if you oppress people you get what you deserve. Morocco is not Iraq, Morocco is not Serbia either, and out of Serbia came Montenegro as a newly independent country just in 2008, the same thing with Kosovo. You can take your time and see how many videos are out there on youtube describing how "great" life and economy were in Lybia..even Many Moroccans went and worked in Lybia back then.....less than a decade...you now hear Amazigh music, Tamazight being spoken and so after being silenced for many many years...don't be fooled by relative stability...it can change anytime....most of the people u hear demanding separation are doing so because they dont accept to be treated as less in their own land. Have a good day
"mocro"
So I guess you live in Netherlands right? There are plenty of riffians there, go tell them that to their face irl 😉