Amazigh Moors Vs Afrocentrists: A Short Case Study Video
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- This video's aim is to debunk the claims of Afrocentrists seeking to take credit for the history of the Moors who are ethnically Amazigh and reside in North Africa.
Well explained
I hope that people speak more about this afro-centric wave that claims north african achievements
The real Africans were Amazigh Afri or Afer
They're even claiming Southern European, Western European, Northern European, and East Asian history now...
They even claim the vikings and ancient Chinese were black, lmao.
@@sweaspurdoddd5466 buddha was clearly darkskinned
Well when the NATIVE haplogroup of North africa is E which CLEARLY descends from east africans that were BIOLOGICALLY BLACK, what exactly is false about that
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@@larryf9671 Greek people have e dna
I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m an American of European ancestry. But I agree with you 100%. There are numerous cults within the black American community who believe, without evidence, in all sorts of silly things - whether it is the so-called Nation of Islam (who aren’t real Muslims), the Moorish Sovereigns (who aren’t really Moors), or the Black Hebrew Israelites (who aren’t really Jews.) Most of these groups are extremist hate groups made up of mentally unstable people.
I think you have mentioned the major examples they constantly make claims about...I wonder if there are any other things they claim...I always tell them that if they want to be proud of something based on race, they should look into some of the Black kingdoms in Sub Saharan Africa and other African countries ...but you have said everything everyone thinks.
Check your Autosomal DNA not haplo type or y and x. We are discovering that the "White" population in the South East US are coming back with Amazigh (Berber) DNA along with high Andaluz DNA. Also we have no or very little British DNA. I was raised thinking I'm British Descent. It is completely wrong. Somehow the Amazigh People arrived in the South East US and we are their descendants. Yes I was shocked too. But our DNA doesn't lie.
There is more than 200 million northafricans, and we need to do more work to combat the afrocentric lies and racism against us.
As an Egyptian I stand up for my amazighi brothers against black american culture vultures/Hoteps/afrocentrics.
I’m an American, and they are insane. They now claim Europe and the native Americans! It’s never gonna end.
@@AlabasterTheGreat it is pure insanity bro what they are up to. They are so vile and filled with delusion and hatred. They have been giving egyptians and the rest of north africans headaches for decades. Thank u for for understanding sir.
@@gustavusadolphus1915 even Asians aren't safe from them. They'll even claim we were originally black lol.
@@GeeGee2995 thanks for your sympathy, we need to be united against them at all times.
amazigh have always been fair skinned even ancient egypt showed that.
Im moor am not black ♓️🇲🇦✊🏻
I am puerto rican .. Did a DNA test and came up as 15% North African. It is interesting how our ancestors moved around the world ....
Makes a lot of sense, North Africans lasted more than 800 years in the Iberian peninsula and they definitely left their DNA print in the Iberians who later conquered The Americas.
For Puerto Ricans, I believe the North African DNA came from the Guanches.
Same here. We've tested 15 unrelated families in Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, Maryland, West Virginia and Kentucky. Their families have been in their rural areas since the Civil War. Every individual came back Amazigh (Berber) we all came back with Jewish Alleles and Sephardic as well as various Native American Tribes like the Lumbee, Cherokee, Shawnee, Miwok, and Athabascan. We present as White but we are Andaluz, North African. We are currently being called Melungeons. We are starting a movement to recognize our Amazigh/Andaluz descent. We hope to align with the current Amazigh Renaissance Movement since we were both colonized and others claim our history.
americans: *cite 19th century paintings of moors by european artists who had never seen moors in real life to justify erasing imazighen from our own history*
imazighen, actual descendants of moors: *laughs in 15 thousand years of genetic continuity*
they are jut lost
We are proud berbers and our grandfathers where fierce warriors. The blacks where used as soldiers and they either came from west Africa or The Sudan. We amazigh (berbers) are a proud people and we will never ever flee away from a battle, we continue to the end. It's very painful if specific black people arw trying to take credit for what our grandfathers have done. But the historical evidence is overwhelming and clear. Look at the people who came back from al andalusia, they where indeed all berbers with fair skins. Now for the blacks who claim that they where the moors i want to say achieve it and claim it. PROOD BERBERS TILL THIS DAY AND IF WE REQUIRE TO DO IT ALL AGAIN WE WILL.
AMAZIGH RIF.
@@papax-ray7541 so you came from nowhere?
@@yungheat84 don't understand what you are trying to say.
@@papax-ray7541 that wasn’t meant for you I typed that in the wrong comment section 😂😂😂😂
They claim that modern Amazighs and Egyptians are not native to North Africa, but it's clear that the ancient Egyptians and Amazigh were not black. They claim that North Africans are ethnic Arabs.
Bruh, they also claim to be the real Jews, the real Egyptians and the real Arabs in addition to being the moors.
One group won't necessarily agree with the next, but damn do that claim nearly every ethnicity and culture.
@@mutalix Their logic doesn't make sense. Also the fact that most of their ancestors were from Benin, Togo, Nigeria, Ghana and so on confirms that they are not Coptic or Amazigh. Genetic analysis also prove that modern Amazighs are not Arab and that the ancient Egyptians had less subsaharan African admixture than modern ones.
@@bhka6423 Bro they claim every civilization in the middle-east and the Mediterranean sea.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 Yes, there was once an Afrocentrist who claimed ancient Iran because of one picture on which you can see dark-skinned Iranians.
Edit: they also say that humanity originates from black people.
@@bhka6423 Gee if they think the original Amazigh are their ancestors than the Amazigh are entitled to annexing the whole of Africa then XD
You're amazing person and you made amazing video thank you so much. Some African-American they being trying to operate our culture , and by the way they do the same with Egyptians they claim ancient Egypt , they do the same with a Jewish people they claim that they are the real Hebrews , they do the same Even with native Americans it's crazy and we need more videos like that I'm going to subscribe
Thanks for the support :)
There is nothing call Egyptian, Egypt came existence, after demarcation of the different region of African Continent, for example in Egypt, they are Beja, Nubian, Tamazeigh from Siwa Oasis, they are other Ethics group, that indigenous to that Area of the World, before Arab invading. Before Arab invading, that area was part of Ancient Kush up Ethiopia and Sudan, again there no such term Jew People, Judaism is just a religion, there jew in Ethiopia, in Morocco, libya, Algeria, and Egypt, and many Ethics in other part of Continent, been practicing Judaism, over 2 thousands, before the European from Caucasus mountain, converted to Judaism
@@Eniola0ne jewish people are an ethnic group to, btw no idno europeans converted to judaism.
They even try to steal roman, Celtic and greek culture
@@s66s46 Where did they come from? Jewish is religion not Ethics group.
I agree with you 100%, I think watching them for years now and they're invading internet with the fake pictures and claiming our culture we need more videos please
Afrocentric people claim Moors to be black. Why do Iberians have Amazigh dna and not sub sahara dna!! Why do Amazigh people have Iberian dna and sub saharans have no Iberian dna.
Iberians have subsaharan DNA for two reasons. 1) Amazigh mixed with subsaharan and so have it especially in the south, they carried those genes into Iberia.
2) the slave trade brought full Blacks into Iberia. This DNA is small but it's there.
Some Fulani have it so do Cape Verdeans who are Senegambian Iberian crosses.
Saying all the Moors were black isn’t correct BUT saying there were no black Moors is also incorrect. The word “Moor” comes from the Latin “maurus” and Greek “mavro” meaning black, i think this alone says enough.
@@soufiane1414 BS. Moor comes from the ancient Berber kingdom of Mauritania! Caucasoids!!
@@mlungisiwright912 BS, where is your proof? Iberians are 0% sub saharans. Stop stealing history.
Thank you so much for this video bro 🙏 keep doing videos like this one, so they can stop talking about our history like it's theirs.
Forgot to mention the magnitude of the Sahara desert as an immense factor in early human migration, something that plays into the very late contact between Sub Saharan tribes and the known world. And it's ironic, because Amazighs are closer to the people of east Africa that those Afro-centrists primarily of West African stock who like to purport this false heritage of theirs. To put it plainly, people deprived of culture, especially in a world of identity politics, will try and leverage whatever minor connection to ancient populations in an effort to justify their entitlement to society as it is today. I hope the Amazigh people wake up to this daylight robbery of their culture. It's this homogeneity of all black people they like to think represents strength, until it doesn't, and one day one's a moor, another is an Egyptian, a Mesopotamian and what have you. It's not only Amazighs that need to defend their culture, but those supposed Arabs of North Africa need to drop their honorary Arab status to stop all the confusion. Arabs, darker than most Berbers by the way, somehow making them lighter and also leaving no genetic trace of it! Funny stuff. Good video, it's a good start.
It's quite the pleasure to hear about the North African/afrocentric conflict in English vouchsafe it and unveil it's threat amongst the berber community
Very well explained and with a lot of respect! Ayyuz a gma!
Thanks bro
Thank you for explaining it am from morocco so technically am berber and I kept finding some videos from black Americans and some blach africans trying to claim North African culture as theirs as if amazigh or berbers were never there
We need to make this video viral 🥰
thanks for watching, feel free to subscribe and share
I've even saw an Afrocentrist saying Satan was black smh
It's funny how they claim cultures that conquered their asses at some point lol.
let's also put it plainly.
We have skulls from 6000 BC. They are Cro-Magnon derived and not Africanoid derived. The skullshapes. The end.
The main haplogroup of North africa is of east african origin. The current north african population mostly descend from a MIGRATION into north africa 15000 years ago. At that time there were ALREADY black east african communities that have been there 40000 years plus. That's why the CURRENT population has more in common with Eurasians, europeans and Arabs as oppose to there ACTUAL african neighbors
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@@larryf9671 i agree
@michael parkinson lol like you said, "they got more in common with arabs". They got more in common with them because MOST current day north Africans don't descend from from NATIVE North Africans. If they did they would actually be more related to OTHER Africans but there not✌✌
@michael parkinson the ANCIENT north African population had more in common with what you call "sub saharan africans", the CURRENT population doesn't. The reason being MOST of the CURRENT population don't descend from the ANCIENTS
@michael parkinson the problem when it comes to north African studies is that they are essentially basing all their evidence on the CURRENT population not the ANCIENT. That's why most info on berbers only goes back 13,000 years when north Africa had its biggest immigration from the people they descend from today. With the ancient Egyptians they only use mummies from the LATE period, the same period where Egypt had already fallen to FOREIGN power. That's why there are NO non black north africans with EXCLUSIVELY north African dna, they usually have mostly or all eurasian dna
Good job! I'm subscribed.
Very much appreciated
i hope this goes viral
Keep speaking facts, black people are not just claiming North Africa but start to claim and appropriate Irish history, I'm not joking.
Tell me more about it man. This is the first time I've ever heard about it.
@@Peter_Joshua They are claiming the Jacobite movement in Britain and Ireland was started by Black Israelites, and other prominent figures were black, like King James 1.
@@seamusdoherty What, are you serious man? How did they ever come up with those conclusion? Wow, I'm loss for words.
@@seamusdoherty Thanks for your info man. Imma search it up. Cheers.
Bravo ✌👏
thank you sir
Thank you...don't forget to subscribe and share so more people learn about us
Interesting. ❤
Glad you think so! isawa tfjijt
@@jamalbenhamou ollah ila bikhir akihfd rbi.❤
Hopefully you and other amazighs make more videos illustrating the errors of Afrocentrism culture erasure. Are you on Facebook ?
This is great, I even see them claim the Levant as their own and as someone from Lebanon, this really frustrates me.
No one can tell the History of African people, in authentic ways, only the learning African, Amazigh are Indigenous People of North Africa, they are African, like every African. They might have different Skin colors, but they are native to our belove Continent. Even they are Amazigh ruler in Ancient Egypt, the homeland of Amazigh started from Siwa Oasis up to Timbuktu, Niger, Chad, Mauritania, and even part of Northern Nigeria, they are another small group between Chad and Nigeria boarder call Suwah. Those Black Americans, that trying to erase the History of Amazigh of North Africa, they know nothing about diversity of African Continent. Every region in the Continent is different. Kudos to this Wonderful Brother. I have questions, why The Tamazek of Zagora Oasis look so different?
Thank you for watching and for the kind words. If you mean They look a bit dark skinned because it used to be one of the footholds of the Almoravid who also brought lots of African Slaves with them.
No that is not why.
Eniola you're Stupid for saying that
@@Raymyz1 How can you say i stupid? for writing, what i know, about the History of my Continent. May be you are, the one that stupid.
exactly well said Eniola Apata great respect👍👍👍👍👍👍 your knowledge and insight is greatly appreciated.
Azul. Very good job. Was too short.
Video was ass, full of lies🤥🤥
We need this debate to actually happen with, say, the Morrish Science Temple. Anyway, great video.
they are right here in my town, maybe I should engage in some debate with them
@@jamalbenhamou please film it
@@jamalbenhamou That sounds like a very good idea. I live streaming with MST on Imazighen in USA
@@jamilashenq1720 will see, not sure I have the time to all of this also, debating someone about this would mean I take them seriously.
@@jamalbenhamou It would be an pointless exercise, Moorish Science Temple members are cult followers of Timothy Drew ( their fake prophet ) and they are not open to reasonable conversation !
Is there anyway I can contact you about the eurocentric problem jamal
you absolutely can, my email is listed on my youtube channel.
@Nuva•Nephri•Hezzu you got 2 eyes, just read all these anti black comments
Good ❤
Jamal have you heard of the prophet Muhammad pbuh and have you read the Quran
I saw an even crazier view claiming that all of Europe and "Russia" was black historically because there are some photos of a minority of people in Abkhazia (In the Russian North Caucasus) who were black. Firstly these people no longer exist and were assimilated by the native white Abkhazian population. They first claimed that the hats they were wearing (Karakul fur hats) were actually originally a hairstyle (like an "afro") worn by the original people in this area. However, this is total BS as this is a karakul hat and is worn also in Dagestan, Georgia, Khorasan, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan. Places which obviously have no black ancestry. The fact that these areas of the world have phenotypes that slowly merge into one another shows that these peoples are natives and have been here for a long time. Also, ask the natives from the area and they will tell you they are not black and there have been no black civilisations in Eastern Europe, Caucasus and Central Asia. Most likely, these people are from America and have no respect or knowledge of the native people from the areas they claim to have such high knowledge of.
New data confirmed that about 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary also had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes-SLC24A5 and SLC45A2-that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.
But in the far north-where low light levels would favor pale skin-the team found a different picture in hunter-gatherers: Seven people from the 7700-year-old Motala archaeological site in southern Sweden had both light skin gene variants, SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. They also had a third gene, HERC2/OCA2, which causes blue eyes and may also contribute to light skin and blond hair. Thus ancient hunter-gatherers of the far north were already pale and blue-eyed, but those of central and southern Europe had darker skin.
Changing from Dark skin to pale skin in other terms(evolution) takes thousands of years, The Amazigh people who conquered the Iberian Peninsula were not black, people can dance around this black race thing all they want....they can be proud of their empires in Nigeria, Mali, Congo.....nobody disputes those were black and still are black....I can't answer every question, but thanks for watching.
@@jamalbenhamou Can’t Dance Around Scientific Racism.. It’s not true Science. You my friend did dance Over The Genetic Science Research I’ve Provided. Makes me question your personal view on Dark Skin in General. It may be a tab bit on the Racist side. Good Deys
The Original Dark Skin Berbers were called the Iberomaurusian.. This DNA sample was stated to go back 25,000 years. The ancient predecessor to the E1b1b Y Haplogroup is Haplogroup A00 found in South Carolina.. If im Dark Skin and still carry these markers and your Pale and do not carry the genes. The science of Genetics tells the Truth of who The True Forefathers Are..
This video is a lot better and make sense the CZcams channel is “From Nothing” and the video is “were the moors who invaded Spain black?”
omg....the way you think it's exactly how i think bout this subject
I’m black African from east Africa. This West African and North African problem we aren’t claiming anyone’s history don’t say black African. Other black Africans aren’t involved into your problems
@@ribos2762 I agree with you there are some north African arabs claiming black people are doing this and that and alot of black Africans don't care this afro centric thing.
The one thing that Afrocentrists in the USA try to ignore or not do is a DNA test to find out their ancestry/genology as it would debunk their pseudo-intellectual theories.
One of my ancestors was from North Africa and West/Sub Saharan Africa. Several from Europe (Spaniard/French/Scandaniavian/Eastern European/Greek) and one of them was Arawak (Taino).
The Almohad army and the Almoravids and the Marinids are all cavalrymen from tribes of janatan, Sanhaja, Kutama, Zawawa, Hawara and Luatha with methods of war similar to the Mongol Tatar and Manchu Khitan and Jurchen Jins.
the entry of blacks into Morocco was during Slave trade during the Saadian era, then the Alawites the first to use them in the army to threaten the tribes and they were most of the members of Al-Bukhari's army were killed in many battles with the tribes of the Middle Atlas
This isn’t true, most black Moroccans are Berbers and not from the slave trade. There is so many black Berbers and even more so when you go to the Sahara where they make a majority in regions like Mauritania, so you mean to tell me they are all from slaves?
Wrong, they were introduced to the Marinids, around 1200s
But there are many Amazighs who are brown and many kinds of colors and looks, some even look white but with African phenotype so how do you explain this? For you, where do the Amazigh come from? If they are
in Morocco Dark Amazigh intermarried with Sub-saharians from Mali, niger, senegal...you know Morocco practiced slavery? I am pretty sure you know about Herratin and Gnawa....they are the remnants of slavery. Also Dark Amazigh exist in Mali and niger...they are called Tuareg. North African Amazigh are original to North Africa, they dont have to be black to be African....please read this carefully before you comment. Have a good day.
@@jamalbenhamou you do realize that many black amazigh exist in Algeria, Libya, Egypt Tunisia, Morocco and etc. It’s funny how you imply that many Moroccans are Arabized culturally when that’s somewhat true as well but I’d argue white Berbers are mainly berberized and a result of admixture with some who’s ancestors came from the Barbary pirate slave trade which enslaved MILLIONS of white people. Also realize that Berbers are believed to originate deeper within the Sahara and I can tell you that I’ve never seen a white, pale skinned Berber in the Sahara so you mean to tell me all along that white Berbers were living in the Sahara but yet now a days with a plethora of Berbers STILL in the Sahara but rarely do you find a white one …🤔. You should look at descriptions of ancient Berbers with some mentioning that the Berbers looked like ancient Egyptians (wooly hair and swarthy) and resembling the “Aethiopians”. If you want to use dna, it’s said that e1b1b which is the Y haplogroup and attributed to North Africans originated in the Horn of Africa which is east Africa today along with e1b1b and e1b1b is actually related to e1b1b and the latter is found In places like Senegal and other part of Africa so you mean to tell me that Berbers are related to this people but yet are white and they came out very dark with different phenotype ? 🤔. Also the gnawa are a minority in Morocco and the haratin were actually southern Moroccans who were from the Berber group but among the original Berbers and not the ones who mixed like in the more northern regions and this is as far as the strongest evidence goes in terms of their identity that I know. You can’t say it’s because of slavery that most Berbers in southern Morocco, Mauritania and other parts of Morocco are black because enslaving people wouldn’t usually replace or cause a huge demographic where it outnumbers the population. Keep in mind there is a lot of black Berbers in other locations of North Africa, you can’t use slavery for that as well. Also I recommend you look into the Berbers of siwa, Egypt and see how it’s a isolated community but yet many of them aren’t white and some are black even.
@@jamalbenhamou also idk if u knew this but a lot of the people in Mali, Niger and Senegal like the Mande,Wolof and Hausa tribes seem to have been descendants of an ancient Berber group.
@@hihello-yv2tt I am not going to read this whole thing...dont have the time to. but it is very simple, I don't believe All Amazigh are white, Amazighfrom Mali or niger are black and they are still Amazigh that's fine, their darker skin has to do with the environment they exist in. My whole point is Most Moroccans are Amazigh wether you like it or not and those who pretend to be Arabs are just arabized, bring me one person who can trace their family to Saudi Arabia? you can't what you will find is someone making such claims and maybe his great great great great great great grandpa was Arab but he melted in the Amazigh DNA. You know that it was mainly soldiers it wasn't families that moved to North Africa, so those invading men or men who were brought up melted in the Amazigh DNA...unless you think that families composed of husbands and wives rode a camel for 6 months in the heat to make it to Morocco which is silly and frankly stupid. take care
@@jamalbenhamou lol environment doesn’t change phenotype, there is a difference between someone who got darker due to sun exposure and someone born with a certain amount of melanin and if a certain ethnic group
If you are maghrebi, and your family has no ties to any tribe do you then identify as Arab?
The Mauryan Empire & Mor Jats predate Islamic Moors by 1000 years. CHANDRAGUPTA MAURYA, descendants of Mors United all of India en 322 BC.
Also black means blond bleach and pale. People are culturally represented by nationality or Empire not color
wtf are you talking about india have 0 claim to north african history go away indian
I would like to have a public discourse on your claims. How you accept and we can ask each and allow the public to decide. Do you accept?
Me accepting such a public discourse would mean that I take fake Moors seriously, no Amazigh out there take them seriously, so for that reason I wont waste my time to debunk something that is already well established. Have a good night....we are still here hello,
Came to Morocco the original land of Moors and let's have a talk
Don't waste your time brother, these CURRENT north africans can't accept that ALL of Africa has a BLACK african origin
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@@larryf9671 no , North African weren’t black
@@tehenouhr3714 if they weren't why were the FIRST haplogroups there of east African origin bozo🤔
Are you claiming that the All Moors were Pale? If so, are you claiming that Moor were Always pale?
Moors are Ethnically Amazigh...the Amazigh used a lot of Sub-Saharians in their conquests, so europeans later considered everyone as Moors. The issue we have is People from West Africa, African Americans, or just black people claim that they are the ones that had that made a civilization in Europe which is not true.
@@jamalbenhamou The Terms Your Are Using Perpetuates Scientific Racism, Eugenics, and Eurocentrism.. The Pale Europeans Carry the original genes which cause light skin, Non Melanated Eyes, and Dead Non Melanated Hair? (SLC24A5 and SLC45A2 for the Skin..OCA 2 for the Eyes and HERC2 for the hair) Uou Carry the Genes Todey Because Your Ancestors Mixed With Their Colonizer.. Now your spewing his Racist World View.. The following fact should Correct your Misunderstandings. The genome sequencing of a hunter-gatherer who lived in what is now Spain helped build the case that Europe was home to blue-eyed but dark-skinned people. 👈🏾 According to the American Association of Physical Anthropologists, the data came from the genomes of 83 people found in archeological sites across Europe, reports Ann Gibbbons for Science. This man, however, lived just 7,000 years ago. The researchers write that their analysis suggests that light skin was not yet widespread and ubiquitous in Europe at the time.
@@jamalbenhamouwhere is your evidence that they had a lot
Of sub saharans who’s descendants became the black amazigh?
Jamal is their a way i can contact you about the Afrocentrist problem
feel free to either send me a private message in my email, benhamoujamal@gmail.com or facebook me, I am sorry I am slow on answering all comments because of work and other activities. Thank you
@@jamalbenhamou anyway I can contact you about the eurocentric problem
@@larryf9671 theres no eurocentric problem?
@@jesle7090 you know, the one that existed since time bozo😂
@@larryf9671 stop being a bitch bro stop worrying about problems that don’t exist. There’s no Eurocentric problem
The Moors were a very diverse group of Muslims from the Middle East, North Africa, and even West Africa. For example the Almoravids were West African Zenaga berbers from Mauritania (Lamtuna tribe) and Senegal (Gudala tribe). They would have resembled the majority population of present Mauritania which is Haratin and Black African. While its true they established a capital in Morocco their first capital was a town called Azougui around the Adar plateau in Mauritania it is now a unesco world heritage site. The capital of the Ghana empire was also in Mauritania and an account from the geographer/historian Al-Zuhri mentions that scholars from the muslim quarter of Wagadu made frequent journeys to Al-Andalusia. The Almohad on the other hand were mostly fair-skinned North African berbers from the Atlas Mountains and the Riff so some of them had blonde hair and blue eyes. The Almohad as well as the Mirinid are depicted in the Cantigas de Santa Maria, but due to the fact that the book was written in the 13th century and the earliest Moorish Dynasty reigned in the 8th century they do not represent the Moors as a whole. But even before the Almoravid and Almohad, were two Middle Eastern dynasties called the Abbasid and Umayyad. Both of them conscripted Sudanese and Berber soldiers into their armies.
Moor comes from the word mauri. The mauri were the people of the Mauretania kingdom in north morocco and North Algeria.
the almoravids wasn't west african you idiot
@@shrekwithawillsmithface465 they were. Just like Rome has Syrian and Greeks in there county.
@@theman9048
They cant be west adrican if they didt originate in west africa.
@@yasmineelboubsi6038 could a Syrian or a Frenchman be a Roman?
Is it true that the Spanish Colonist (Conquistadors) Labelled “Black Aboriginals” Of America As Moors? Also why did they call our Ceremonial Structures “Mosquitas” Which is Castilian Spanish for Mosque?
Can’t blame us for being confused or quick to grasp the next(people) culture. Shit. Our’s was stripped from us so we long for knowledge of self(as a people). Not coming for you, this is for the ones in the comments coming for us like we’re purposely trying to rip these people culture from them.
I am not taking it personal. Black people have a rich and beautiful history and many empires...they just need to start teaching
I noticed this trend also among fair-skinned US americans, where they claim to be of any European descent, yet they can not be culturally identified with that nationality nor do they have any knowledges about any of those cultures, ethics and origins. Last time I asked, the person who used to identify himself as German, he admitted it feels boring to be US american and "everything is the same". So, in a sense, his response is similar to yours about having no culture. Honestly, I am not sure what to say about that, but anyone has a history and their own cultural traditions, ethics, identity, etc. Humanity just doesn't work without a culture. If someone wants to be part of a culture, then move there, be part of their culture and learn to speak their languages. Even actual Germans would call well-intergrated migrants with German citizenship Germans. This is how cultural intergration works. I'm Spanish-Moroccan with German citizenship and my family lives here since the 50s. I grew up with 3 cultures and I have difficulties to identify myself to a certain culture and nationality.
@@forestmanzpedia well I am a American citizen. I identify as British because my DNA said I was 88% British which is correct because I can trace mostly to British ancestors. My last one being from the 50s.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 I don't see much wrong with it, aslong you have recent roots to it and there is a connection to that nation/culture. My family speaks many languages, including Tarifit, Spanish, Darija and German. I only refer to those who make weird cultural heritage claims and they have like no real knowledge or any family connection to that culture/nation. Btw., once the situation got better, you should check out the UK I have been there alot.
Edit: I meant Scottland, not England or Wales. Opsi.
@@forestmanzpedia ok cool
Though the scientists found clear markers linking the heritage in question to sub-Saharan Africa, no previously identified population has the precise combination of genetic markers that the Taforalt individuals had. While some aspects match modern Hadza hunter-gatherers from East Africa and others match modern West Africans, neither of these groups has the same combination of characteristics as the Taforalt individuals. Consequently, the researchers cannot be sure exactly where this heritage comes from. One possibility is that this heritage may come from a population that no longer exists. However, this question would need further investigation
Bunch of nonsense mine bruder
@@jamalbenhamou so now science is non sense 😂😂😂
@@viciousv9671 do you think you can claim a bunch of nonsense and then say science and then use emojis thinking you have a strong point? I am choosing to ignore your comment because they are unacademic, stupid and are not different than any of those made by black people who have an identity crisis. Your comments will be deleted as soon as I see your name, I won’t even bother reading them. Enjoy your fantasy land.
@@jamalbenhamou have you seen the iberomaruisans DNA.
@@viciousv9671 when it's convenient. Lots a black people didn't trust the 💉. Despite the science.
Ayouz
You don't know what you talking about the original moorish was the Garamanite =" black " and the tamahu = "white " they mixed and produced light drown skin complexion so we don't teach all Moors was Dark skin E.W bovil said the Moors was Negroes
bruh you came from the mountains
And that's supposed to be an insult? 😂
Yea berbers love mountains, what's the big deal about it?
@@user-ow1qs7jo7f no the got damn truth
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Why can you find the Titles Bey, Pacha, El, Dey, Al, & Ali in Ancient American Indian Titles? Fezzes, Turbans, Language, And Mathematics were just a few of the things Modern day Berbers, Amazeigh, Tuaregs, Dogon etc etc etc Adopted from Ancient Aboriginal American Seafarers.. The modern Europeans cover up this knowledge up by way of General Board of Education Based Academia, and Secret programs like the Burlesque Degrees. Your people are helping the colonist perpetuate a Slave narrative on my people that your people endured.. Allah is watching you all spread this slander with the Christian.. The Royal Heirs of Islam See and Hear you Speak Of Shytuns Codes.. Your deeds will not go unrewarded.. Islam…
As a amazigh I'm sad to see you have such a biased, racially agitated view on North Africa. You seem to forget that Amazigh have lived in north and west Africa for thousands of years, and that the majority of Amazigh DNA is ancient west African. Arab is merely a word for other people of the same faith and language it has nothing to do with race or ethnicity. You seem to also forget that while there are large populations in North Africa that are descendent from Greek, Spanish, Italian, ect. You seem to forget that this is not the baseline, and Amazigh DNA is uniquely and solely African. Regardless of skin color, the Amazigh are African. They have been African and treated as Africans since the beginning of recorded history of them. They were persecuted by both European and Islamic forces and subjugated multiple times throughout history. The history of the Amazigh is a history of Native Africans. We were the first independent Islamic state after we fought off the Caliphate, we were conquerors of Spain and the Maghreb, we were massive slave traders of white people as well. These are all African Accomplishments against European and Islamic forces. The Amazigh culture has lasted for thousands of years in the heart of Africa, and to deny my history and culture from the entire rest of the continent is absurd, reductionist, and simply idiotic. Please do some more research before you talk, and understand that skin color has nothing to do with history, culture and ethnicity. There are pure Amazigh that are dark black as there are pure Amazigh that have white skin. This is due to varying factors that are unique to each person, so to generalize an entire race that is so diverse in skin color based on those lines Is ridiculous. Look instead st how the culture, people, and language of the Amazigh have supported and cared for each other for centuries. The Amazigh are more related and connected with Africa then any other north african genealogy. I agree that the Accomplishments of the Arabs should be owned by arabs, but you have to understand that they are not native and are conquerors. I wouldn't deny Americans the history and Accomplishments they have made, but you can't then say that everyone in the US are foreigners and white, it's ridiculous. Arab countries, especially Morocco and Mauratania where my family is from, have persecuted Amazigh since the first caliphate came to the region. You also seem to forget that Amazigh that had kids with white slaves can be tracked, and those children's DNA are not considered Amazigh and can be traced to European orgins, but the majority of Amazigh are not like this. And regardless of genetics, if a nomadic people have lived and existed in a area for thousands of years, I would argue they are Native Africans. Also, it has been proven through multiple studies that ancient Egypt, especially the South, was heavily African and of African origin. All these statements have nothing to do with the specificity of every North Africans heritage, as once again everybody had a unique background, but to completely wipe and segregate all Amazigh connection to African ancient and current history is ridiculous.
People close on the same land mass are closer than people across the ocean.
Many are fair haired. Not most. Not all. Many only means some. More than a few. Get outta here with the bs.
Azuul Brother Jamal. I love your channel; however, I do feel this video of yours is very disappointing. You are doing the same thing the “moors” group in America is doing. But instead you are doing it by denying the exists and reality of Black (dark) Imazighen. You are attributing our exists to slavery or mixing with sub-Saharan groups which just isn’t a historical reality and it is very disheartening. I hear so many white (light) Imazighen champaign the rights and reality of Imazighen, yet there seems to be a disconnect when it comes to Black Imazighen. Acknowledging the existence of Black Imazighen in no way takes away from the rights or reality of White Imazighen so I am at a loss as to why I see this happen so many times, unless this is some sort of subconscious racism. Which I believe it is, and I believe it is routed in the efforts of the French during colonial times to 1. Promote their racist agenda and 2. to divide and conquer.
Historically speaking, Black Imazighen have always existed and no one has ever denied this fact until the time of French colonization. The OLDEST representation of a group of people that researchers equate with Imazighen is a depiction of “timihu” at Deir El Bahari in Luxor titled “The War-Dance of the Timihu” in Upper Egypt. That depiction looks like black people. 200 yrs later we see a depiction of later people which are referred to in the Egyptian record as “Rbu”/”Libu” and “Tehenu”. They seem to speak the same language as their darker counterparts that were depicted 200 yrs earlier yet some dress and customs see to be slightly different. There is a book by UNESCO called the “Berber Branch” which has these pictures I am refering to in it. So here we have THOUSDANS of years ago depictions of Black and White Imazighen. Not due to slavery or any other reason, the two have ALWAYS been there. So why deny this reality or why try to other darker Imazighen?! Lets fast forward to 10th century AD with the writing of Ibn Hawqal in which he says in his book “Surat al Ard” Berbers (Imazighen) were of two racial types black and white. He said the majority of the tribes (twenty-two) were white in his time and the black tribes (nineteen in number) were in the South (and still are to this day). He said the Black tribes represented the original stock and the white tribes became so via mixing. If this is an accurate statement or not isn't the point. In the 9th century we see the writings of Imam Jahiz, the 9th century scholar from Iraq, who wrote in his book Kitab Fakhr al-Sudan 'ala al-Bidan about Berbers “The blacks include the Zanj, Ethiopians, the people of Fazzan, the Berbers, Nubians, the people of Zaghaawa, Marw, Sind and India, Qamar and Dabila….”. The point is that no one HISTORICALLY has EVER denied that Imazighen are Black AND White, and both are legitimately Imazighen. Being a Black imazighen has nothing do with slavery. If someone is going to use that argument then we can use the same argument that white imazighen are that color because of slavery as well. Being that MILLIONS of whites were brough into North Africa via enslavement. There is a good book called Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters by Robert C. Davis that talks about this. There is also a good video called "Atlantic Jihad" that also talks about this. Not to mention the 10s of thousands of Muslim Spaniards and other European muslims who were exiled out of their native lands and into north africa once their Christian European counter parts took control again of their lands. It is reasonable to think these people mixed into the local population. This would explain why Imazighen YDNA is variable.
In the 18th century the French geographer Conrad Malte-Brun is quoted as saying his writings about the Imazighen “The Berbers have a red and blackish complexion, and are tall and svelte, thin and skinny”. This quote can be found in the book “Inventing the Berbers”. By Dr. Ramzi Rouighi
In the peer reviewed paper “Methodology and African PreHistory” edited by Joseph Ki-Zerbo we read the following “Temehu Libyan peoples were fair skin and blue eyes and also to darker skinned Tehenu peoples. Greek Historical sources, too speak of fair skinned Ethiopians as well as of darker-skinned more southerly Ethiopians. It seems therefore that the ancient population of Libya was made up of different races. Thus, we find one Roman author saying that ‘some of the Libyans resemble Ethiopians, whilst others are of Cretan stock’ (source Scriptores Physiognomici, ed R. Foerster, 1893, Vol. 1, 389).
Also from the book inventing the Berbers the professor quotes a Maghribi anthropologist Malika Hachid who has studied the ancient origin of Imazighen in which he says of Dr. Hachid’s writings “She uses categories such as “robust negroid” and “fine negroid” to discuss the geographic, ethnic, but not racial, origins of people who might have combined to form the proto’berbers”
It is very tiring to hear/see white Imazighen in our current era continually try to other or deny black imazighen in terms of who we are, our history, our identity etc. This is nothing more than a colonial mentality that still has a strong influence. I agree, the Moorish group in America has a very ahistorical view of reality. Does it mean that others of true Amazigh heritage should do the same by denying reality and history? I think we need to question ourselves more in this regard. I hope I haven't offended anyone and I am open to healthy dialog. However if this devolves to name calling and denying of historic and scientific reality then I am not interested in that discussion.
Hi brother, I am sorry you feel offended. I skimmed through your comment(couldn't really read the whole thing because I have so much work and readings to do already, plus your comment is pretty long) But to answer you based on my understanding. I personally believe Imazighen come in different skin tones and shapes, what you may be referring to is the Taureg people which are usually darker and black and those can be found in Mali, niger....however it is a fact that Amazigh people in southern Morocco are mixed with Amazigh and Subsaharan Africans, sometimes they are also Subsaharian Africans who migrated to Morocco and adopted the Amazigh culture and some of them also were brought it in as slaves like the Harratin in Morocco. But all of them have the right to self-identify as Amazigh if they see themselves as so. What the video discusses is the Afrocentrists who see light-skinned Imazighen as some new people who popped up in the area and the Black Africans who want to steal our history and take credit for it. Most of these people are descendants of slaves brought to the Americas and have nothing to do with North Africa but somehow think they are the actual Moors. I mentioned in my comments that Black Africans have so many empires, civilizations, and dynasties they can take pride in...they just need to teach themselves about them.
@@jamalbenhamou I agree, and it is also a fact that white Imazighen are admixed with Europeans. And it isn’t just southern Moroccans or Tamashiq who are black. There are black tribes throughout North Africa in southern Libya, Algeria, in various parts of Mauritania and Siwa (Egypt ie Isawin). Black Imazighen aren’t the exception, nor the result of mixing with sub Saharan. I understand you are busy and didn’t have time to read my comment. But the short of it is black Imazighen have always been here and have a longer historical record than our white brothers in the north. But overall I agree with you
I am 100% AmaZigh, I did a DNA test, I will be happy to share my result in a email if you like. My family are from one of the most remote places in the South of Morocco, as a matter of fact just recently they now have a road to this mountain village, no European has ever set foot there...feel free to do a quick search and you will find most AmaIgh don’t even have 1 percent of European DNA and yet look just like me. Anyway I gave you my answer already. Have a good day my friend
@@jamalbenhamou you did a dna test on ancestry.com or one of those places? If so this is autosomal dna. Ydna is a better indicator of ancestral origins paternally. Autosomal dna only shows you what is most recent in your dna, and has no indication about ancient times. It can’t even tell you what is there even 5 generations ago.
@@jamalbenhamou also I am not negating your being Amazigh nor am I interested in discussions about dna test. My only point is to stop trying to other black Imazighen. Stop trying to explain it away by admixture or other things when this just isn’t reality. I know my first post was long however it has direct quotes from many academic sources on this subject. I’m not denying whites are Amazigh, I just wish whites would stop trying to other black amazigh or trying to explain our exist by “slavery” or some other such absurd notions, when the historical record just doesn’t support that. Either way, sorry if I offended
Why do you only speak of Trans Atlantic Slave Trade (Which was Never Proven) and Not The BarBary Slave Trade (Which is always hidden)
I know you think the "Barbary Slave s trade" is the reason a lot of Berbers are white...I promise you, I come from a village in the high Atlas mountain that was isolated for hundreds of years and never intermarried with outsiders because you had to be a berber to marry within them but they all look like me. Plus DNA of Most Moroccans is North African DNA. Contrary to puplar belief the Barbary pirates were pirates they held people as hostages but never took them as slaves and owned like how European enslaved Black people.
@@jamalbenhamou So you would be considered Saqaliba or Beidan.. Not Saracen.. An example of this would be in the Dum Diversas of 1453 by Pope Nicolas V.. This “Doctrine of Discovery” Unlawfully Gave Christians Claim Of Title to Saracen Lands they “Discovered.” They used this doctrine to Conquer the Americas. Where the remaining Saracens Domicile
Is source from that book is bullshit lol
The Moors were any Muslims to Europeans. It didn't matter to them if a Moor was Amazigh or he was Arab or if he was a black West African Fulani or Hausa. Not all blacks were slaves among the Moors, some were Afro-Arab or black Amazigh. And you can't claim Arabs from the Peninsula who had settled in the Maghreb were not among the Moors either. Most were Amazigh but Arabs and black Africans were present among the Moors and that's simply historical facts. You can't deny the Arab tribes Banu Hilal and Banu Sulayms massive migrations to North Africa. I know Maghrebis who are more "pure" in Arab lineage than Middle Easterners. So don't be historically dishonest here. Nobody should be ethno-centric whether it's Berber-centric, Arab-centric or Afro-centric.
Doesn't Moor mean black? What is the meaning of the name Moor? Where are the facts.
No it doesn’t mean black, lol. Do you know how silly you sound? You and Arabs have one thing in common, you think you really crossed the Mediterranean. Moor were Amazigh and Muslim, you are neither. Moors comes from the word Mauritania. Stop claiming other cultures, sometimes you claim you are the true Israelites, sometimes you claim to be the true Egyptians, other times you claim to be the original Native Americans and recently you started wearing a funny red hat claiming to be the moors. Those are all symptoms of people with an identity crisis. Even today in Morocco you can find Herratin black people who were once slaves. Let me educate you, I come from the Atlas Mountains high up in the Atlas Mountains very isolated, even during the French colonization it was unreachable, it was was also unreachable even when the Arabs invaded North Africa, we have a house that we still visit and this house was built in 1700s but we go back way before…I am not black. Get over yourself.
Lol
There are several arguments in this debate:
1. The word Moor comes from the latin "maurus", meaning black. This is how sub-saharan peoples were called by the Romans. However, the word also referred to the inhabitants of Mauritanea, which were not black, but what we call "brown" today.
2. There has been extensive intermixing between Imazighen, southern Europeans, sub-Saharans, and Middle Easterns. So it is ridiculous to assume that there is such thing as a "pure" amazigh.
3. Obviously all Moors were not black. Some were, some were mixed between Imazighen and blacks, and others were just Imazighen. Others were Arab and even native Iberian converts or Mawali.
4. The medieval and modern definition of Moor comes from the Iberian (Spanish and Portuguese) word Moro, which just means Muslim. It is even used to refer to Muslims from regions as far as the Philippines (see Moro people). So the word is mostly void (at least today) from racial connotations. This would make the Moorish civilizations in Iberia technically multi-ethnic.
5. The original Imazighen were "white", that is true; but, as mentioned earlier, intermixing has been the norm rather than the exception.
6. The Imazighen today is more of a cultural rather than a racial classification, since many non-Imazighen (mostly slaves) were integrated into their tribes later on.
7. You forgot to mention that the Europeans also considered the Imazighen to be "European". In fact, the Nazis believed they either descended from the Vandals, or were the survivors of Atlantis.
You are correct, the point of the video is to respond to African Americans who are mostly brought as slaves from Senegal, Guinea Bissau, Ghana, Benin, Nigeria, Congo....these are the people who think are moors. We are aware that ImaIghen are mixed with multiple groups however to say Imazighen and moors as a race were black is ignorant of them to say. Thank you for dropping by
@@jamalbenhamou That is correct, but you have to bare in mind they do it to get a sense of identity and dignity, much like the Imazighen who posed as Arabs to fit in.
@@kuroazrem5376 Yes, I used to work with this guy. he was a nice guy but they are just lost, I however advice to maybe find some sense in other African civilizations who were great nevertheless like The Kingdom of Aksum, The Great Zimbabwe, The Songhai Empire, Mali Empire....
@@jamalbenhamou The Mali and Songhai Empires have something of Moor in them.
@@kuroazrem5376 they were invaded by the saddii dynasty and enslaved
We have also black imazighen.
@davidmoon they're black
Atouz
Very misleading video with a hint of racial undertone. Black Amazigh are not descendants of west Africans. Amazigh people originated from ancient East Africa when they migrated northward. They later mixed with ancient Levantine migrating from the east and ancient Iberian migrating from the north. This is the core of the Amazigh people. Black Amazigh down south represents somewhat a remnants of their ancient root. Indeed, if you look at their facial feature, they look a lot like east Africans.
I think the video is more about the Afro centrism ideology then about what you are saying. By the way, do you have sources for your claim that they are from East Africa?
Hhh realy
Berbers are black
East Africa stop lying
You obviously do not read enough about history because you keep making references from the European perspective. I could break you into pieces historically but I'm not going to waste my time
Stay in Nigeria or wherever you are, you have no connection to North Africa...I am very familiar with the kind of books you read....you don't have an identity and you want to steal someone else's
@@jamalbenhamou submitted DNA tests so we can see all of your European and Persian ancestry. I will pay you $500 in Bitcoin if you do this publicly
Deal
@@jamalbenhamou just so we're clear, haplogroups, R , J, and H are Caucasian and Arab 🙂
@@juslostone what is ur email?
Thks, Would you even say that current andalusians are not andalusians. True ones have been blended in Moroccan population, especially during the Nasrid Fall and Almohad fall
very possible but not everyone left, many Andalusians converted to christianity and stayed
@@jamalbenhamou that's false, when Almohad lost, Sevilla and many other cities were empty completely. Spanish kings moved northern Iberian to repopulate the cities.
Phenotypic analysis was performed on four of the Taforalt individuals with higher genomic coverage. The Taforalt individuals tested did not carry either of the derived SLC24A5 alleles associated with lighter skin color, the derived OCA2 allele associated with blue eye color, or the derived MCM6 allele associated with lactase persistence. However, they were found to carry the ancestral SLC24A4 allele associated with dark eye color.[15]
Taforalt were either Amazigh or pre-Amazigh
They did not have one of the main genes for light skin.
Yes the early ancestors of North Africa were darker skinned.
@@mlungisiwright912 why did you stoped they all was cro magnon type with caucasoid morphology caucasoid skull straight hair short limps long torso.... yeah they was dark but most populations in the paleolithic was dark skin the western European hunter gatherers also was dark skin that doesn't mean they looked like western Africans modern north Africans or the amazigh are a combination of the iberomaurusians the capsians and the anatolian farmers in the neolithic 60000 thousands ago so what is the lacking the alleles for light skin 14 thousands years ago have to do with the north africans who invaded iberia in the last 1200 years ago
Those empires you guys take pride in especially the Almoravid and Almohad don't conquer and sustain their power and influence without black people. It's no wonder why Europeans became to increasingly depict them as dark because they were the footsoldiers who did the ruling elite's brunt work. Remember, light skinned Imazighen were also slaves during this era. Local amazigh rebellions against the ruling dynasties were squashed with the use of black soldiers. Also, blacks are indigenous to North Africa. Choukhi El Hamel even discusses with ancient sources about Haratin and other blacks. They were always there.
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The Europeans never depicted the Almoravids as black try harder lol.
You probaly saw the 1413(The Mecia de Viladestes) painting on wikipedia. But the black dude isn't Umar lol.
1375(The Catalan Atlas) this painting again shows a white Almoravid Moor.
In both paintings, the man on the donkey/Horse is visiting Mansa Musa
Mansa Musa lived from 1280 till 1337, while Abu Bakr ibn
Umar died in 1087, so it’s very unlikely that these paintings portray Abu Bakr
ibn Umar.
Also the bulk of the Almoravid and Almohad armies were made up of Berber foot soldiers and Christian mercenaries, the blacks were only used as gards. Oh and Imazighen( their are no black imazighen they are just berberized Haratin ) were only in a certain times enslaved by the Ummayads and Romans.
@@Revitalization4241
Only used a garbs?? There were entire garrisons of black soldiers, and rulers also used blacks as guards to increase their power and legitimacy. They were an elite corps used to enforce the ruler's power. Blacks were integral in battles like the one of Alarcos because they were exclusively among the best commanding forces. Muhammad al-Nasr had at least tens of thousands of black soldiers with javelins and Spears. Marinids also increased number of blacks in their army.
On Yusuf ibn Tashfin
"In this year [1071-1072] the might of the emir Yusuf increased. He bought a body of black slaves and sent [them] to al-andalus, where there was bought for him a body of a‘laj [white slaves]. He gave them all mounts and finally he had a total, paid for with his own money, of 240 cavaliers. of the slaves, also bought with his own money, he had about 2,000 and mounted them all. He made himself more difficult of access and his authority waxed mighty."
Even Ibn Yasin, one of the founders of the Almoravids, would be considered black. He grew his army and movement from the Ghana Empire.
ballandalus.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/famous-historical-muslims-of-africanblack-origin/
Here's a video from a so called afrocentrist using credible and peer reviewed sources with descriptions about armies.
czcams.com/video/o0dwTJOh1a0/video.html
None of this should be a surprise. North Africa under various caliphates had preferences for using blacks. The Fatimid in its later years had blacks compose the largest proportion of its army.
Take a look at the Taforalt findings from Northern Morocco. Genetically sequenced individuals from Taforalt, Morocco had 36.5% Sub-Saharan ancestry with the rest being Natufian. They lacked the allele for light skin, meaning they were black and their haplogroup, E1b1b, so Moroccans have significant black ancestry in their paternal line and Eurasian in their maternal one.
@@mwangasama Yūsuf ibn. Tashfīn, who ultimately established a number of the institutions that were initiated by his
master and cousin. These included administrative offices; taxes, including a specific tax on
Jews within the territories, and which respected the limits of Koranic taxation on Muslims;,
a princely court; diplomacy; the dispatching of ambassadors across al-Andalus; and a royal
guard composed of BLACK slaves and Christian mercenaries whom he outfitted with horses.
Source: halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-01453050v2/document
One of the early paintings of Yusuf Ibn Tashfin.
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Also 2240 soldier is not much if you consider that as much
We are the children of the sun gods choosen people. The planet jewelry!! We was called many things depending on the time Era. We are worth more than gold, diamonds, and drugs put together a gram. Also it's obvious your knowledge don't go back you kind was born 6000 years. There you can find the truth.. Egypt. We are the gate keepers... don't get us twisted.... Hotep
Images that display fair skinned and dark skinned moors can also be concluded to mean that there were both black and white moors. But to dismiss a peoples contribution to an Empire because they were slaves is in fact racist.
The existence of blonde, blue eyed decendents of the moors in Europe does in no way prove that moors were themselves blond haird or blue eyed. Their history in Europe denotes the fact that they have for centuries interbred with Europeans that would have much more likely contributed to those characterisitcs.
Also i find it very odd that your entire video is devoid of any acknowledgement of the Amazigh/berber who still to this day occupy sub Sahara Africa, none if which are fair skinned, blonde haired or blue eyed.
Anyone with any collegiate career can tell you those text books you reference are very likely "white-washed" and not the history of the Amazigh people by the Amazigh people. So why not allow them to speak for themselves as they still very much exist and know their history. You can not correct, dispute or combat afrocentric attitudes with eurocentric rhetoric.
Thank you Dominique for your comment. Let me answer and also be brief.
1) The video clearly explains that the Moors enslaved black people and used them as soldiers, does that mean the so called afrocentrist movement who call themselves "black moors" were really moors? no, should they take credit for the history of the Amazigh people? no...that's what the video explains, the video doesn't deny blacks were used, but for them to take credit for it is unethical and wrong.
2) The video doesn't make a claim that all berbers were blond, and blue eyed, but many Berbers were and still are white, blond, red heads and not because they intermarried with europeans. Genetic technology of Europeans and North Africans already established this. In Morocco and Algeria you will find many Berbers who don't even have 1% of European DNA and yet they are white, and blond. Also if you know the culture of Berbers you would understand, many Berbers like my family for example only intermarry with Amazigh not only that, they also have to speak the language and if they don't then they are disqualified for such a marriage. Early Amazigh of the Canary islands for example were not black and only mixed with europeans when Spain occupied their lands.
3) many inhabitants of the Sahara are sub Saharans who adopted the Amazigh culture, language and life style. Yes many of them are also Amazigh but they are not black, they intermarried with sub-Saharan thus, they are tanned, dark skinned but not black.
4) Amazigh are indeed still out there and I am one of them and we still speak our language just like our ancestors did and that's what I am doing, I am speaking.
5) Afro centrist have an identity crisis. There is so much history for them to be proud of if they just like at all the empires that Black Africa witnessed like the Kingdom of Dagbon , The Nok Civilization, Kaabu Empire, Kingdom of Aksum...they literally have many empires they can be proud of yet they just have a problem with North Africa because somehow ruling over Europeans gives them some sense of power. The end
@@jamalbenhamou Im sorry your not so brief reply did not show any sign you fully read or understood my comment. To your first point, nothing in what I wrote should you be able to conclude that I in any way agree or side with Afrocentric teachings that attempt to rewrite, erase or steal the history of the Amazigh. But yes, I personally believe that even slaves have a right to claim accomplishments they fought for, even if it was for another cultures victories. I know that the Moors are not fully black, nor fully white but you still did not address the absence of any inclusion of the sub Saharan berbers, or brown berbers. I do not believe Morocco or Alergeria are considered of the sub-Saharan regin. sub Saharan berbers by the way can also genetically prove they are not European nor sub-saharan African nor Arab. Further more those genetic technologies you speak of are also very white washed as they do not acknowledge many indigenous people around the globe and would by scientific terms label many "brown people" as white. It appears from much of what you retorted that you possibly believe in some sore of blood quantum science to define what can truly be labeled as Amazigh/berber. I personally think that is a horrible way to define any culture. Are you saying that Andalusian people, whos families have spend hundreds of years in another country are to be called berber simple becuase they are white but Amazigh/berber who have no familial history outside of Tamazagha are not because they many have intermarried with sub Saharan African?
Im also curious as to why you finished your statement with "the end." It does not come off as someone who is open to constructive dialect.
@@dominiquegonzales5463 I'm an Amazigh from the Rif region and DNA tests including mine proves that the Moors were not black. And to answer your question, no black people have no right to claim our Amazigh achievements in Andalus, historically or culturally. The black people were sold by their own tribes in West/East-Africans countries to North-African, Arabia and Europe to make profit, so go criticize West/East-Africa if you got the guts instead of coming here to make demands on behalf of Sub-Saharan Afrocentrists. Or maybe you can criticize the Spanish slavery of Sub-Saharan and Native American in the Americas. After te expulsion of the Moors in 1492, the Spanish committed genocide in Andalus and killed thousands of Moorish Amazigh and Jews. Those that didnt want to convert to Christianity were killed and women and children were taken. The Spanish fascists still celebrate the genocidal cruelty till this day. And Western Sahara is not occupied land, it has always been Moroccan Amazigh soil. Watch your tone...
@@jamilashenq1720 This is text so that tone you're hearing is in your head. Which is not surprising to be interpreted as harsh given how aggressively you have tried to divert the conversation further and futher and futher off topic to other cultures and countries and even to the history of another continent only showing a desperation to flee from a topic you dont know how to address. This perfectly fine given the fact that I was never speaking to you. But if you would like to continue speaking to me please answer me where in anything I have written do I defend Afrocentrists?
@@dominiquegonzales5463 I saw your comment when I was at the dentist, Honestly, i didn't even read it until now. Here is why i said the end. This is a very futile conversation, We know our history, we are still here, we still speak our language, not much have changed in our lifestyle and here is a dude from Nigeria, Ghana, Congo, Senegal or wherever in Africa he came from and he wants me sit and argue with him about an identity he wants embrace...in other words I wont be wasting my time cuz i got better things to do. Believe whatever you want to believe, just dig a little deeper, Black Africa had many empires: The Kingdom of Aksum, The Great Zimbabwe, The Songhai Empire, Mali Empire....maybe you can find some sense of belonging there. DO you know how many messages I get, so your message is not of much importance because you haven;t raised any points worthy of discussion. I am saying this with all due respect to you.
sorry but Africans were here first y'all were mountain men
@Styliani Baka go to sleep
Moors was never blacks
Damn shame
We aren't taking anything from you.