3D Printing ALUMINUM FAST! EOS at Formnext 2023!
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- What if the COST-PER-PART in additive could compete with tradition methods such as die cast? EOS shows us how they are making this a reality!
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Thanks for visiting our booth at Formnext! Filming with your team was a great experience, and we had a lot of fun 😄
this is an impressive achievement! well done! 👏
@EOS3DPrinting Do you guys have jobs in Karlsruhe in PCB-Developement?
That table was the real MVP.
😭😭
It doesn't weigh much its aluminum.
That pricing would be revolutionary. I'm guessing this is a very tweaked, very specialized cost model and hinges on some key things, like ownership and 80% utilization of a $1 million plus machine.
Kind of like when I measure my dingle 😂
Yes, you calculate that you have the machine already....than material, labor and electric cost....machine lasts forever and does not need service and zack 25 Euro/pcs.....the 250 mentioned was most probably the true number....and why would you print 20.000 of the same part if you could cast it as well.
@@psxtuneservice machine never breaks?
Joel, excellent video as always. You have a great way of asking the right questions to help us understand what the experts are saying and make it simple for us common folks
I appreciate that!
@@3DPrintingNerd I can only agree! It was great fun shooting the video interview with you... Very professionally taken, greatly appreciated!
love that table! gota grab 1 of those!
Sorry to be that one skeptical guy, but something about the pricing simply does not make sense. I wonder what those 25-40 € are comprised of. The hourly machine rate alone should be way above 25€ for a machine like the M300-4. Would love to see some more information, because I do not believe those 25€ can be the "actual" part costs if you were to sell those to a customer ...
While I agree with you, the key point in this hourly rate is depreciation. Typically they count 5 years, but de facto the machine can do 15-20. The most vulnerable part is laser (5-7 yrs), replacing it costs 20-30k, which is nothing compared to the machine price.
Also, I have seen mulrilaser printers from Chine for 250k... All manufacturers like EOS etc are toast in a few years with their oberpriced 2M models.
To be fair for a die cast aluminum the dies cost millions of dollars.
@@andreypetrov2515 That’s not really true if they’re integrating software better than the competition, which will reduce wasted material, running costs, and improve uptime. Just have a look at the industrial automation robotics space, plenty of “overpriced” solutions are industry standard, higher price is worth QA + software and support infrastructure.
Printing those engine cylinders was genius for prototyping because it so inexpensive compared to patternmaking and foundry. Vintage part replacement and upgrade by modifying parts is another winner.
Wait till you watch the skilled labor AM tech and finisher remove those supports for 20 hours
Joel really really really wanting that Espresso.
Nice Joel! So interesting to hear cost analysis, cost savings and material costs and how it all fits together in additive versus extrusion and die cast parts. You really know how to get the best information out of a representative by asking great questions that makes it much easier and clearer to understand. Well done!
Thank you :)
I'd be very interested in how well the parts behave under high and extreme vacuum. I would expect significant outgassing due to the very porous nature of the parts from the technology.
If you were able to get this under control, being able to make custom vacuum chambers and components without milling whole blocks of material could be quite beneficial.
The SLS system here has been in use for the aviation and aeronautics industries already for quite some time. These same machines are used to build rockets and jet engines. I think they will work just fine.
casted components also suffer from porosity; this is controlled as much as possible from the mold design standpoint but it does randomly pop up once in a while where you don't want it (i.e. clean machined gasket surface with a random porosity hole in the interface that starts leaking). For additive manufactured parts that are properly sintered I actually wouldn't really expect this same level of issue.
@@stevensmith4099 You`re quire right, additive manufactured implants are today being implanted into human beings, used in flight critical components in many many applications, high performance race cars, moding, ... In very many application fields, highly stressed components under high fatigue load,... the story goes on ;)
@@Duckferd In additive manufacturing the porosity is a function of the processing parameters... So it is possible to tailor the parts performance to the requirements,... it is also possible to create for instant an extremely fast core with controlled porosity e.g. to compare to casting and use a different set of exposure parameters for the surface to be >99,9% dense
Why would you doo that kind of testning for a lawmnmower engine?
Once again 3D printing evolves, it would be good to see a follow up video from the users to hear how well these perform.
Stay tuned for updates on our EOS GmbH LinkedIn Channel
Thanks Joel for bringing us awesome content from Formnext. Its awesome to see where we are going with this crazy stuff.
Way cool!! I need one machine like that in my life ❤❤❤❤
Thank you! I`d also like to have one in my garage ;) Charmingly, at the company, I have the pleasure working on a daily base with these...
Even after 14 years it`s not getting boring to watch the process ;)
@@MichaelGalba do you work for EOS?
@@Vez3D ;) I’m the guy being interviewed by the 3D Printing Nerd during Formnext in this video… blue jacket, red shirt, glasses almost bald ;) and yes I do work for EOS
@@MichaelGalba cool. We might talk soon
Incredible what we can make with a 3D printer; I'm imaging what we can make in 10 years; I need it for my go kart 125 cc. engine! 😀
Make that a V-4 500cc :P
@@XenonG 💣💣😂😂😂
would love to take a turn on a race track in your Go Kart ;)
@@MichaelGalba it would be a pleasure, friend !
Wow that is asome, dealing with so much Power and Heat to transfer! And nice idee for the both! Great Video thank you!
Really hoping high-quality metal 3D printing ever comes to the desktop at a price below 5k bucks.
Smart company 👍
I am VERY interested in this guy's printing technology. I absolutely cannot afford their machine, but up to now printed metal has also been too expensive for me to buy.
Printing metal parts for printers will be accessible eventually with this sort of progress.
This is also useful for any hobby of making things. Model engines made this way would be great. Anything that is exposed to heat is pretty bad for plastic.
That's the side of new SLS stuff that we can get excited over. The machines often make cars look cheap, but at least part of the price of a part from Shapeways or wherever is paying for the printer, its maintenance, its input material, and its throughput. If you can change any one of those variables, it'll ideally mean a difference in what per-part prices a place needs to charge (before considerations of profit that might just break all that.)
Cool to see two cool Nerds talks about METAL, HEAVY METAL!!! YYYYEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! That is the next Step for Makers: Metal, because FDM is now really Awesome in Plastic! Every new Printer is fast and no First Layer by Hand or Paper, AwesOOOOOOOOOme for me. Only the Costs are higher for Metal, but anyway Laser, Metal, Heat, Precision and BBQ.....take my Money I an on Board!
It doesn`t get boring working in this industry ;)
And if I remember back to the beginning of my career in 3D printing 14 years ago, where the technology has developed towards is just fascinating
By measuring the heating-point.. you could adjust speed.. to use full potential.. Geniuses
Thank you for the compliments!
I WAWNT THAYATT
hopefully this makes contract part printing cheaper because I definitely cant afford that thing.
First printer I saw was a metal one for nasa tools, 20 years ago .. p.s shaky table was very distracting...🤔
Why are we doing this with powder rather than standard FDM and dirt cheap aluminum wire?
What drives me up the wall with metal powder, especially aluminium, is that it's finely powdered in its natural lifecycle coming from ore, but somehow when you grind it for 3D printing, it magically increases the price 400-2500% of the native ore price pound for pound. Industrial ball mills aren't _that_ expensive.
You’re totally right.
I think the price does skyrocket when you want the particles to be of an extremely narrow band of sizes
The problem is that powder is made not with industrial ball mills. It is made with gas atomisation stations instead. This way is much more expensive but allows to produce particles with exact needed size range and sphericity. Sry for my English :)
I don't know, brain the size of an EOS laser machine and all they ask me to do is make Chain Saw engine blocks... only 36? they should have aimed for 42!!!!
yeah just wait 5-10 years, we will be buying ender 11 V2 PX4 that will cost 400e and will be printing aluminium benchies in 5 minutes
5-10 years $400 will probably be in a coin lmao
next ten years we will be in WW3. Printer will print bullets only
That machine wouldn't fit in my condo :(
What is Aluminum? 😊
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE
For the moment dye cast is still cheaper just because its been around for so long, in 10 years metal printers will be on the same price trent of 3d printers
Not sure about that. The feedstock for printing has to be a fine powder with carefully controlled particle sizes. That requires pre-processing that isn’t needed in die casting. Also, die casting cycle times are very low.
personally I do believe the technologies will co-exist also in the future, it`s a depending function of volume, price per part, requirements,...
Additive manufacturing today does make sense in certain applications and industries, but not everywhere.
There`s a good reason we have multiple technologies in paralell.
THis new tech, safe a ton of hand works, energy, and isums...but a lot of employes are be extinction too..
There's still a lot of design, verification and post-processing required. Plus a lot of people to manage, load and maintain the machine. If anything it's probably less automated than a die-cast process in a factory setting.
pos processing? CNC machining?i watch a lot of metal 3D printing , i never see about cnc pós processing.... @@stevensmith4099
Ha, allooominum
Make it open source
Yes that's just what we need, give idiots who can't even adapt marlin firmware access to 1000w lasers.
@@shaunmorrissey7313open source isn't idiots. Besides those exist even within these companies. The technology will improve that's not entirely stupid because it just takes one idiot to find a better way to do one thing
We let idiots drive 2 ton cars at speed. Why not lasers.
On a serious note, that equipment costs upward of 1M euros. So best follow your approach and let a select 0.01% have access to it, the rest of the idiots can watch on 3DPN.
Hitchhikers guide to smart fusion? If that doesn't turn out to be a block of 42 engines, I'm going to be disappointed. Well maybe it's 24? Mice are not amused.
That machine isn’t running for €25 an hour
Wie Deutsche einfach keine Englische Ausprache können, schlimm da zuzuhören...^^
Naja, ihm hier kann man schon ganz gut zuhören. Ich bin eigentlich ganz froh dass es Englische Dialekte und Akzente gibt, es muss jetzt nicht jeder Hollywood Englisch sprechen.