There's a Problem with my New Elves Aero Frame
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- čas přidán 21. 09. 2022
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So the Elves Falath is the bike we'll be building up on the channel after it one the vote against the Trifox just recently. However, after publishing a video about this cheapest Chinese carbon race bike build project, the Australian Distributor for Elves frames reached out to me and informed me of something pretty big. A curve ball relating to this exact frame.
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I can't wait to tell my kids that I'm buying a frame made by Elves in a few months.
haha. They'll love it.
X-mas present 😁👍
The elf on the shelf could bring it 😂
Maybe won’t be their main job, but they will be making it as a hobbi-t
Put it under the tree and put a tag on it saying from: The Fat Man
This is really good content lately with the "chinese" frames. Good in that we get to learn about other bikes that are quality and a bit easier on hip pocket that most the mainstream youtube channels wont touch because of sponsorships. its really sad the sport is becoming more cost prohibitive to enter. Parents simply are not going to drop thousands and thousands of dollars on bike so billy can have a crack down at the local juniors
When I studied in China in the late 90s, one of my Swiss classmates paid for his education there by buying overstock Giant frames (usually with no logo) & shippng them back to Europe for a friend to sell. The country does have a little experience making medium & high end bikes & the engineers & technicians to go along with it. I'm still a little leery of anything involving bearings from China, because it's too easy for someone to swap out fakes for the real ones somewhere along the way, but there's definitely a very skilled workforce in place. They just need an honest company to work for, and they'll match what any factory does anywhere. The problem is the same one every place has. The people with enough money to start a business tend to be, well, entitled bastards with integrity issues.
Personally I love the reviews of the Chinese bikes. It’s so hard to know what I should consider and what I should run away from for my next bike. Keep up the great work Cam.
Cheers Glen.
go&get Giant, Pardus, Seka, Java(thats whom sava is copying),Merida,Jins，Camp,winspace,Dahon and Fohon（folding bike, great frame quality)
Those brands are more like trek'position for u guys and they got their highend productline
like Pardus theyre now selling a endurance bike with M frame@680g
&ur Sworks&terk&bianchi&Scott
are might also made in their factory.
The Chinese brands are reaching the point where they're pretty much as good as the traditional Western brands...frames but also wheels and groupsets. Very interested in getting an Elves frame...that paint job is mint!
I definitely think build quality wise they are, although I’m yet to be convinced on engineering and design. We’ll see.
Well, guess where all the western brand frames are made 😀 The machinery and experienced workers have always been right there.
Probably because all the traditional western brands also manufacture their frames in sometimes the exact same facility as the cheaper unbranded ones. There's no special sauce that the high price tag frames use, it's all the same, maybe some variation in how the carbon is designed and layed up which saves a bit of weight but to the end user it makes no difference. The only brands that actually are different and better are those like Time who use Resin Transfer Molding and carbon braiding instead of the standard EPS moulding.
@@albr4 I agree they're all made in China anyway...the difference has been quality control...however these days the Chinese branded stuff has really improved. The Sensah gears were a bit sketchy when they first came out but now they make a good quality product. Almost as good as Shimano. Some great carbon wheels too...Elite and the like.
@@albr4 hell yeah, I'd love to get a Time frame, but they're way out of my budget. I live 7km away from the factory, even considered applying for a job there. Unfortunately, they don't even have a distributor in the country where they're made lol
They’re coming back with a new frame in 2023 completely redesigned. Elves and WinSpace are the ones to pay attention to.
As a European, the only stamp of approval I care about is the CE mark. The UCI standards aren't focused on general users at all.
UCI is just for professional racing. Everybody who is not a pro don't need their sticker on the frame.
ol’ mate never gets old, it always a great video when he makes the cut.
Great work ‘old mate’ (aka Cam Nicholls) Thanks for the update & looking forward to following the unfolding story. Oh, I happen to have a chat with Jay @ Taylor Cycles, that guy is a hoot. 🤙
Fascinating video, and this has me pondering if I should build a new bike from the ground up. The last time I did, it turned out beautifully, but that was a long time ago. Thanks for the video!
What I gleaned from this video is the same as the Yoeleo bikes. When they first came out you could buy one at a very reasonable price. Then they became more popular through reviews on CZcams and they went and became UCI approved. Now that same bike is thousands of dollars more than it was initially. So what I'm saying is, if you want to build one of these sexy ELVES frames up, do it now while you can get one at a lower price, because once they're UCI approved, that price is going to rise dramatically. I could be wrong, but someone has to pay for that UCI approval.
You can still buy Yoeleo direct from the factories for like $600. But the brands just take open mold models and label them their own. They suck. I sold mine under 2 weeks after building.
You know, at some point we're all going have to deal with the problem of differentiating between differences and differences that matter. Sure, there will be a difference between a seriously top end, no expense spared bike built for the tour and the bike you can put together yourself the way you're doing this but it seems to me the difference is getting closer and closer to that point where the old guy is going to say, "Who the ffff cares, just ride the damn thing!!!"
haha!
This was a good update. I’m excited to see the new frame, I need a winter project for this year/new bike for the spring. I would like to see a comparison of the new elves frame once it’s built and the seka you built earlier
There are pictures of the UCI Falath out there now and turns out they redesigned it completely. It has a much more aero shape, but also Look/Cervelo alike stem arrangement, where the stem continues the line of the top tube
Great problem to have! Keep up the great work Cam!
Might just be me but would certainly be interesting to see the ‘differences’ in experience for riding both versions - what special sauce, if any, can be noticed riding a frame ‘tweaked’ to earn a UCI badge
UCI certification has NOTHING to do with the quality of the manufacturing. It only looks at the frame design specifications to ensure it's within their specifications for UCI-sanctioned races.
I can tell you that there is no difference but price. I had rim brake canyon aeroad cf sl which is non UCI approved but the canyon aeroad cf six is UCI approved. They are the same but just different carbon and Slx is more expensive.
Cheers Cam(: Enjoying this project and happy you introduced me to Elves!
One problem that comes to mind is that now that this company is sending you one specifically they can choose their best one and virtually guarantee no defects which won’t necessarily be the avg consumers experience. You went through great lengths to avoid that initially which was a great idea as it gives the avg person a realistic idea of what they might be in for.
Still looking forward to seeing the outcome and appreciate the content (:
Peace
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damn it i have to wait another few weeks! But luckily here in europe winter is comming so i have plenty of time and i'm really looking forward to your review, because this is 95% of my next bike, depending what wheels you will use for yours.
Maybe get a second groupset that is Sram rival 1 by wireless, use that on the UCI frame. Put the sensah on the non-uci frame. Then you can compare a cheap build against a nicer build that is still on a budget.
Good idea I like it. But a lot of work, so I'll need to put some thought into it. Appreciate the suggestion!
@@CamNicholls any update on this build?
I think it's better to continue building the bike with the original frame and do the long term review on that. One of the interesting premises of this project is anonymity on getting all the parts to be used. Which for me shows whatever quality you got would be what I could get if I bought same brands. If you wait to get the UCI approved frames, I would think they may have given extra attention to the frame knowing it will be reviewed by you. It would cause me to doubt if I get same quality. The frame you got now looks promising already and makes viewers interested in the brand. Just waiting for that long term review to get me into buying/building chinese bike for use.
I'm in same boat wanting to build the fastest bike for low budget but rather than racing more for big trips to the mountains. Part of me was leaning towards vanyar rim because it has uci approval, part of me leaning to disc vanyar or falath because I think descending will be more enjoyable. This video has pretty much made my decision to hold off and go disc once they are uci approved and whack a rival groupset on it I can then upgrade down the line. Cheers for the content, really making a difference to my buying decisions 👍 can't wait to see the final build
@Cam Nicholls is this legit or a scam?
Can’t wait for the new frame….. going to be worth the wait 🤞🏻😀
Great brand i just discovered as I am always on the lookout for small frames.
It would be a nice wee exercise to get a spider diagram on the go and draw out in black and white who makes frames for who... which brand really does the work for others...and which factory each 'brand' comes out of. Im sure this would be more interesting and complex than looking at car brands and their manufacturers.
Great content keep it coming
Just bought a second hand CAAD 8. Gonna build it with sensah empire alloy 2x11 groupset and a very cheap yet lightish wheelset - Koozer RS1400. Can't wait the package to come!
I have 2 Elves. A Falath Rim Brake and an Eglath Di2 12 speed. Both are incredible bikes. Custom painted by Elves. Plenty of km on them no issues. A state championship in my division on the Falath. Nice having a bike no one else here has, but that won’t last long.
In your opinion which ona is better just for riding (no ambition of winning) distances like 100-120 km with some hills: Falath or Eglath? How tall are you and what are the sizes of your bikes? I am 175 cm tall, 66 kg and 84 cm inner leg length and I am between sizes.
Same question here. I just do 100-150km with a bit gravel, mountains and road.
Would you recommend this?
Yes, I am choosing between Falath and Eglath...
That's good news! I'm considering Elves for my next road bike. l don't necessarily need a UCI approved frame, I don't do any UCI races, but it's nice to have. Even if I did, I'm sure there is some exception, I went to check out a UCI race recently (not a big one, but Quickstep and Jumbo Visma made an appearance) and one guy was racing on a Twitter. I really doubt that thing is UCI certified.
That really is a good looking frame! Maybe a discount code in the future 🤔...
I can certainly ask
@@CamNicholls I'm eyeballing the frames myself too!
That would be good deffo buying one
yeah after a price lmao
Good video and much appreciated content!
Probably the all internal cockpit Vanyar replacement that's long due. I got all top 3 Elves models as you can see in my review and the Vanyar while a great all around bike that I've been using for touring instead of the Eglath needs all internal cockpit to stay relevant. Elves and Winspace are definitely the top if you want stiffness from a Chinese brand but there are also unknown brands like Winow or SPCycle which are a pleasure to ride.
I considered buying a Falath about 3 years or so ago. Unsure of the quality, I dismissed it. Looks like it may be back on the table again. They’ve always done amazing paint jobs. 👍
Thanks for the Video
Cam, with the amount of coverage you give them, we might need a discount code in future to bring them back to the "pre-cam CZcams" price 😂
It's a good idea and worth the ask.
Personally, I have the Vanyar and I'm very happy with it, light, responsive, comfortable... That said, watching Hambini's videos, you can wonder about the UCI label because you sometimes see approved frames with defects.
I doubt that every single frame is inspected. I guess it's more like a select number of frames from the batch are tested, and if sufficient number of frames pass the tests, it gets the sticker.
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 UCI testing doesn't test for structure, only tube shape.
I heard of Elves a while back from Charlie carbs and cycling. Didn’t know they had a aero bike until your video, already having a lightweight bike the aero frame is more intriguing. I’ve bought wheelsets from lightcarbon and lightbicycle and been very impressed, being a bit cheaper then winspace I may give their UCI approved frame a shot.
It’s just nice to see reasonably price content unlike Specialized and Trek etc with their crazy priced frames/bikes.
Having a manufacturer rep reaching out to you....? Having a frame offered for you to test....? Cam, ol mate, I believe you have now hit the big time! 😎 Nice work, pretty soon they'll all be beating down your door 😄😄👍
That UCI approved frames is something that we didn’t have in the early days. (Meaning the ones with the stickers).
I have a Bianchi that didn’t have the UCI sticker back then. But it’s a genuine bike and still riding it (2007).
Let’s hope that this Elves affordable frame set don’t get a high price tag after it gets its UCI approved sticker.
Thanks for sharing Cam 💪🏽
You pay UCI and you get UCI approve.
&6.8KG is a joke.
Interesting. Thanks for this decision
A video on what they are doing to the Falath to be UCI compliant and if that's going to make the frame more expensive would be interesting
Yes I agree with this. There is quite a language barrier I've been told, but we'll see what we can do.
@@CamNicholls yeah learning mandarin is tough Cam, but I have faith in you !
I thought the 2022 falaths are uci compliant? That’s what the local dealer in my place said. And the other difference between the 2021 and 2022 falath is that the seatpost on the 2022 has 1 degree set back.
no.. they have two UCI models already - same price.
This is cool stuff. I wish someone did a cool shop with all the best direct brands. Winspace, Yoeleo, elves, Farsports to name a few. A local shop with quality bikes, at half the cost would really put pressure on bigger name brands. So tired of going to 5 shops to check out 5 brands of bikes.
I hope to have one of Elves frame..
Good catch though! Agree would have been a bummer if you had made the content and they then pop out with the UCI announcement. Looking forward to the videos.
Personally i recon if you fit standard RHM bars on this frame which would allow you to fit clip on tri bars you can do some seriously quick club 10,s on it. Have to say most people rate this frame highly Cam.
When are you going to build and ride this frameset? We are anxious to see the results and hear your evaluation.
I have never considered a Chinese frame before until now. I am just blown away at how nice that frame is, especially the paint!
A lot of carbon fiber frames are made in China, even more familiar brand frames
@@simonm1447 I don't think the quality of my System Six which is made in Taiwan is as good as this frame.
Just pick the vids on the Elves frame. Pretty cool! Quick question: I can’t find any data on weight limits for riders? Do you think that theses frames (maybe not the most racy frames) would be ok for a endurance 100kg rider? Thanks and keep the great content coming! 👍
Hey Cam, great vids. We've seen you go to the crit track to train, test, etc but you haven't put up vids of you racing. Not sure if that's not the focus of this channel, but you racing was what attracted me to this channel in the first place. Can we see more race footage and strategy in the future please?
Hey mate, good to hear from you. Tbh the racing scene is almost non existent in the Sunny Coast. When they do hold races you’re lucky to get 10 in A grade and often they combine B and A because of numbers. That’s when racing is actually on, which isn’t that often. Travelling to Brisbane is possible but it’s almost a full day (coming from Noosa area) and that’s not ideal when you’ve got family. Combine this with trying to get a business off the ground(RCA); racing has not been on the priority list unfortunately. I do want to get more into it, but I’m not going to force it. Hopefully it comes back organically and somehow there’s logistical scenarios that are more appealing. Cheers
@@CamNicholls Haha, I sit here holding a 6 week old baby, I know exactly what you mean!! Having raced in Sydney and now living in Launceston, that purpose build crit track is something I would froth over. Nothing like that in Sydney. Just imagine Thursday night racing under lights, gives goosebumps thinking about it. So sad it sits there unused. Anyway, keep up the great work!
@@PeterPutz82 you need to people / environment to make it come alive!
Can I ask whether a plan for the Avari to become UCI legal is a thing? I was choosing between that frame and a 2011 Giant TCR because in my cycling calendar there's a couple Sanctioned events I want to attend (LBC Ronda Pilipinas*maybe one day, and the Philippine National Road Cycling Championships*more within reach for me right now).
Hey Cam! I can suggest you the Gusto Ranger Evo Disc 2023! It is not sold seperately but I swear as a fully built bike, it's actually pretty affordable! I actually wanted to buy the Elves Falath but the "UCI Approved" bothers me a lot since I'm always competing here in Malaysia. So please, do check the Gusto!
elves falath with 65d drive by Elitewheels damnn 🔥🔥
Hey Cam, thanks. I'm curious. My brother and girlfriend are both on the market for a new frame. My brother was last week a participant for the UCI Granfondo Worlds. So for him, that's super important!
Thanks for the work! Greetings from Germany
Hi from phillipine. Elves is famous here in ph. Ph cycling love elvesbike so much😊
more of 'ol mate' please !!!
Haha! People keep telling me to make way for him. Channel take over
... flashy frames indeed - would love to get my hands on one of these 🙂
Just wondering whether finding out whether they make their own frames or use open source molds, how long they've been operating and supplying other brands etc should be part of the intel and tick-boxing for every review?
Hey, I cant seem to find this anywhere on the Elves website, but do you know what is the maximum tyre size on the Falath frame?
Is there any frame comparison video between UCI-approved Premium brands (Trek/Specialized/Bianchi) and a Chinese one? Curious to know the competitive edges between the frames.
Wow, I really would love to see a "long time" endurance test with that frame! As I want probably a nice weekend bike from next year on... I am checking the options... And only 1000€ for a nice (like reallllly nice looking) Carbon Frame - made by chinese elves? Sign me up Santa!
Imagine they also make deeper tubes for the new UCI tube ratio regulation. I am buying one.
Great content. The entire time the former cccc president was talking I was hoping to get a glimpse of that steel bike... nice peep shot of the Saronni👍🏾
Haha nice one
l got a custom painted falath as well (unboxxing on my channel) first l am very impressed how you can get a custom painted frame with cockpit for 1100$ ... insane. and as an engineer l have to say l'm very impressed with all the little bit on the frame. like the spacer system, the little rubber on the seatpost, the saddle clamp, how well all those bits are engineered and machined. the frame overall looks good even tho there is quite some tenting inside the tubes where you can only really sea it with a flashlight
I am choosing between Falath and Eglath - not easy thing. How tall are you and which size have you choosen?
@@MarianBobolny not even a choice, get the falath. l am 167 with a size 49 falath ... but that is for my body measurements. consider the length of the aeropro cockpit (if you wan't to use, l think it's really good) and the size 49 came out a bit longer than my trek emonda in size 50. both fit me really good but l can't say for you ...
@@leonschumann2361 I am 175 cm tall, 83 inner leg length. Recommendation from their website says that I should pick M (49), the same size as yours byt this is ridiculous. I am wondering whether L (52) is enough. Yes, I would like to buy it with integrated cockpit. We do you think that Falath is much better? Both looks great in my opinion but they say Eglath is more universal. I am not going to win anything, I ride trips 100-130km with significant hills (beginning of mountains). I want beautiful bike, comfortable but with some sport manner.
@@MarianBobolny at 175 52 seems appropriate but can't really tell from the rest of yo body. falath is more aero and that is allways the go to for a strict road bike. if you have mobility issues maybe get the frame with the taller headtube but l would ride a full aero road bike on 150 or some km cause if the position good, a somewhat low bar is no issue. if you are super tall riding a too small frame with 140mm stem then too low can play a part ...
@@leonschumann2361 Yes, aero design is popular right now and I like it, but I am still thinking... I do not need extra stiffness because sometimes I ride on roads with not very good surface. Aero design may works when you maintain higher speed, I have some significant hills on my way so that average speed is not very high. But yes, If you are 167 and M (49) is comfortable for you I should probably take L (52). Do you remember the length of stem you use?
Size of Eglath is even more challenging, because there is 50 and then 53. Maybe 50 would be ok, because the geometry is little less aggressive than in Falath and the bike in the same size is little bigger.
Old mate needs his own channel.
Yes, Chinese bikes are making their presences felt because, for example, a Cippollini frame is up to $6000 which is well above my means, although it’s nicely sculpted with the down tube and seat tube caressing the wheels. The color chart offers odd, unsatisfying colors. While I seriously and enthusiastically considered a Chinese, I finally settled for a Bianchi Aria carbon complete bike for about $3000 which i purchased domestically which gives confidence should any problems arise.
would like to see you test this one regardless of the new model coming out
My local distributor advice get Pardus instead of Elves which Pardus are more stiffer . They carry both brands.
Interesting to hear that, thanks for sharing on the thread.
Have you been able to ride an elves bike or any bike with OROME (elves) wheels on it? I’m looking at just buying the wheels.
You should wait for the new aero bars as well, or try to get them later maybe.
I would be curious about support if there is an issue at unboxing. I can't imagine the cost of shipping the frame back to China and customs fees and how long it would take for their evaluation and return. If you can get them to provide support.
Super random question. Did they have to purchase rights from Tolkien estate to use the various elves/silmarillion names for their products?
Whould like to know what Luescher Teknik would besaying about the bike after having it checked out.
Can you find out from elves how they will ensure quality control. Particularly around BB area. Are they prepared for a hambini exam
Good call on waiting Cam for relevance. But won't that be the case with a prototype? If there's even a slim chance it too will be tweaked before the final UCI approved version, reckon you have to wait for that.
They should also have a rim brake road frame, for the people that aren’t into disc right? 😂😂😂 like me :) is like a venge pro but rimbrakes 💪🏼
They have...
The Elves dealer is misinformed. Elves Falath is an open mold design not designed by Elves.
Cam... when to we see the built bike and test ride???? I have one in the room - ready for the build...
Waiting for the prototype to arrive. Unsure on timelines yet
@@CamNicholls Well, it is strange because they are selling UCI model right now and I am pretty sure this is just extra label on the frame rather than the new construction. BTW: are you going to gave XL/54 again? You said you are 179 cm and according to recommendation on their website L/52 should be perfect for you.
I don't think it is necessary but I do think for the direct Chinese brands it'll help with piece of mind.
These China bike videos are awesome!!!!
Will you be giving way or selling the current Elves frame?
Yes, selling it. In order to do a giveaway on the channel it needs to be open to all sizes.
similar thoughts to other comments here - what are those differences, can you see them or feel them? So would be good to build up the current frame and then the new one with the same kit and see if that UCI focus makes any realistic difference - would be a revelation if the UCI criteria actually makes a bike ride worse...ha.
UCI approval is not a quality assurance guarantee. It's just an indication that the frame meets the the UCI regulations on geometry and tube dimensions etc.
This is great marketing for Elves, if their product is quality and is fraction of the price of top brands, they will succeed with the little push from this video series!
Thats so sick!!! i just out grew my 2016 sworks venge. I am a young xc race from a small town in British Columbia, but I am really liking road riding, racing and training to help with my overall fitness. I am thinking of finding a elves frame to swap parts over to. I might upgrade a few things like some disk brakes, and such. Bikes are getting so expensive now and as a u17 racer Its so hard to afford. I should definitely look into reaching out to a few companies that would be able to help me with my racing ventures. Do you know of any companies that are willing to support young racers trying to break through the Canadian national circuits and such??? Have a great day!!!!
the UCI approval is absolutely worthless, it's just marketing bureaucracy and not a seal of quality
Hi, i'm 1m72 and my inseam is 77, is it possible if i use L size with 120 stem? Or 100mm stem?
Any chance the update will fit 30s or 32s?
Man, ELVES is quite popular here in The Philippines. We have some Filipino cyclist youtuber who are actually using ELVES frame. I think its good since they are actually using it and promoting it. We have lots of Bike Shops here selling ELVES frame from MTB to Roadies and even Gravel! You might as well try DEVEL its a Filipino Brand which offers almost / on par / above quality vs ELVES. I saw a post that they (DEVEL) is UCI Approved. 👍
Once UCI approved frame price gonna shoot up
I did ask about frame price. They're not sure yet.
it's already expensive
Malaysia price around rm4700 , approx 1000usd with current exchange rate. Elves used to be price aroubd 500usd ++
Hi @camnicholls what is better Seka Excced or Elves?
Give me a month
@CamNicholls now there is a problem to order Seka to europe.
Elves is a very popular brand here in Philippines. It's pretty decent but when you consider the price, it's a steal.
If you wait for a manufacturer prepared for CZcamsr prototype, doesn’t that invalidate the anonymous consumer frame review? What wasn’t clear is whether there are any difference between the current model and the UCI approved model. If so, is the current frame “subpar”? My guess is that they are the same frame but Elves is just going through the UCI application process. I think you should continue building with the current frame because whatever prototype frame won’t be representative of what a typical customer would receive.
I have problem slipping seatpost with Elves Vanyar seapost. Have carbon patse and right torque tool but still slipp
Could
You look up carbon wheels because I see the same brands of carbon wheels in the us for 3k for 500$ in china but my thought is it the same quality
Just ordered one. Was on the fence about it but realized Elves will definitely get a boost in demand thanks to this, same thing with Winspace. Was wanting a Winspace but they are out of inventory in the size I need till December.
Did you get yours yet? I’m about another week out until it ships as they are build to order which I didn’t know. Either that or they were out of the color way and had to make it. Either way I’m excited to get my hands on it!
@@kylejette3751 not yet, I reached out to them and they said they were on vacation from the 1st to 8th of October (I’m assuming a covid shutdown). They said they were finishing it up soon. Hopefully I’ll have it in the next few weeks.
Event. China will observe National Day Oct. 1-7, commemorating the 73rd anniversary of the People's Republic of China. Official events to mark the country's founding are likely around Tiananmen Square and other prominent sites in Beijing. Didn’t know that, learn something new every day I guess!
@@kylejette3751 oh good, I have heard people say that many of the factories have recently been affected by shutdowns that’s why I assumed - glad that is not the case though here
@@kylejette3751 I just received my tracking number from Elves. Hope to get it in the next few weeks.
Got a Caad12, it’s not UCI approved yet best bike I ever owned !
As long as you don't ride some serious competition you don't need stuff approved by UCI (it only makes the stuff more expensive)
They've had frames approved before. I'm sure they can make good frames
please have a review to GUSTO RANGER bike.
if you do not need the "old" frame i´ll take it? Possible?
UCI approval is about conforming to UCI rules, not quality or durability. So if you are not going to join any UCI sanctioned races, there is no point in getting a UCI legal frame.
Carbon fiber frames are made by hand. I don’t think you can judge the quality strictly by the visual inspection the elves frame was initially subjected to.
Also, your frame test is no longer anonymous.
Waiting on mine. Ordered the chameleon black red/gun grey color.
How tall are you and what size have you chosen?
@@MarianBobolny im 170cm and got size 48 with 120mm stem on the handlebar
@@pinoyxbox Thanks. Does it fit you well or you regret not having ordered 50? I am 175, so between sizes (both 50 and 53 should be ok) and I am wondering which one would be better.
Are you happy with this frame? Have you build your bike already?
@@MarianBobolny i came from a size 50 aluminum aero frame and wanted to downsize and 48 fits me perfectly. Already built the bike with a mechanical ultegra and love it very much.
@@pinoyxbox And which frame do you have? I mentioned 48 size, but neither Falath nor Eglath are in this size.