Elves Falath Evo Ride Review
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2023
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In this video I will be reviewing the Elves Falath Evo UCI model with SRAM Force AXS 1X and the Elves branded Orome Valar 50mm carbon wheels.
0:23 - Clearing the air - Fibreglass
1:56 - What people say about the Elves
2:11 - Geometry
2:54 - Testing with different wheels and tyres
3:20 - Comfort
4:20 - Speed
8:00 - Stiffness & Handling
9:48 - Practicality
11:37 -Orome Valar wheels
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From Elves re tyre to frame clearance: Different 32C tires have different specs, like the Continental 32C tire size can reach up to 35C width. A Continental 28C tire size reaches up to 30C or 32C.
that depends on the internal rim measure - right
@@martinhotan8946yes but tyres themselves will inflate differently, so it's not just a question of rim width
Well ok Elves but who the hell buys a super sleek aero frame only to fit it with 30+ mm tyres ?! Not 20 years ago everybody looking for a bit of speed was rocking 23mm tubular rock solid shit under those. So ok, things are evolving but we're buying a speed bike here ffs, not your usual dickhead's urban SUV.
@@lauig 25 or 28 front, 30 back is working fine and not unusual
Now this is a review worth watching 💪 find it always useful in reviews to compare certain characteristics with other models from the same, or even different, segments. Also leaving the usual marketing poetry out of it helps to understand how it would be to ride the bike. Nice one 👌
cheers mate
You're the man Cam! Feel like I've been waiting years for this
Top tier bike review as usual Cam. Thank you for uploading the comparison bike data for all to see which differentiates your content from other channels or cycling publications.😊
Nice one! Thanks for trooping through the project for everyone to see. Not a single one of us has ever been through a project which felt like just walking into a store and buying a bog standard bike. It's friggin beautiful BTW.
As ever, a very thorough and fair review.
hey Cam, just got back into cycling and even as a novice I take away so much knowledge from your channel. love the content, cheers.
Just 45k views? This is a must watch for all bike enthusiasts! Thanks for your quality content Cam
AWESOME REVIEW, as always 😎💯👍
That is one of the most beautiful paint job ever on a road bike. Great choice on the custom paint design!
Great review Cam. Best looking bike you've had me thinks! Love the intergrated cockpit look plus the 1x set up. Cheers
Great review. Answered all my questions about this bike.
Another great video Cam 👏🏻
Great review as always Cam. I enjoy your content very much. Hanging to see the Helios review.
Amazing honest review as always. Thanks a lot mate. 🤜🤛
Really interesting Cam .Enjoyed this one very much .Thank you
Would you consider reviewing Elves Eglath pro disc model. There are 100 reciews of the falath but no Eglath... would be great to see one of the biggest cycling tubers review it. Love your videos. Thank you
such an awesome video Cam. Thanks!
Been waiting for this one 😁😁😁
"Full carbon fork" historically meant that the fork blades and steerer were both carbon as opposed to the carbon blades being carbon and the steerer tube being aluminum. That's an industry standard claim. Elves saying it is spec'ed with a full carbon fork is true according to the industry standard definition. No correction needed.
Just an outstanding review. I'm ordering a six pack.
Excellent review 👌🏾
On point with GC’s observation..
great review of an interesting bike. Thank you Cam
It is an interesting design and looks like there is no happy way of purchasing the right fit. Great Vlog as always Cam. I also enjoyed you on the Nero show.
Cheers Steve
That was a nice review, nice job!
Well that was more positive that I was expecting! 👍
Great video Cam
Love the paint job!
I'm keen to hear more about that Polygon Helios you picked up a while back
Easy to listen to, enjoyed the video 😊
Great review. You spent the time on this.
Looking at the '22 UCI Vanyar atm. They have a UK distributor now which streamlines the whole process. Talking about hub noise. Just got some mavic wheels for the hardtail for gravel use. Now I love mavic hubs, their bearings are so smooth and have lasted longer than any I've known in 30yrs of cycling. But the hubs are so damn quiet. Had to buy a bell for the cycle paths! 😀
What an awesome, informative review! Interestingly, the steerer tube on my Falath Pro (it finally arrived after 6 months!) looks completely different. Fiberglass inside is black, and 0.1mm thick at most. In fact, in the reaming process it was machined away completely in many spots and carbon is peeping through. I haven't seen any delaminations either, although only on the bit I cut off, I don't have a way to check that non-destructively.
Thanks for sharing on the thread Michael. That sounds like the way it should be, which is pleasing to hear.
I really want one of these frames! It’s everything I’m looking and looks mean af.
The only issue is that 25mm setback seatpost. It doesn’t allow me to get my saddle as far forward as I need. I’ve asked Elves if they’ll consider making a 0 setback post but haven’t heard anything yet.
Surely I can’t be the only one needing that? It could be perfect for a TTer. The geometry is actually quite comfortable and I think the descending confidence also comes from the slightly slacker head angle than usual with aero bikes.
Nice review Cam 👍🏻
Great review Cam. I often talk to the Elves UK rep as they are so cool 😎 Also you said the noisiest wheels... have you heard the Scribe wheels freehub? 🐝
Great video, thanks for recommending the wheels! I am on the hunt for something cheaper, but with good value...
Hi Cam that was a good review and tells us more about the ride experience than many marketing led ones do.
Perhaps you should log your weight or total bike/rider weight for these tests.
I have been thinking about downsizing frame size too,have looked at some 52,53,54cm frames to shorten the reach but many have too low a head tube for me.
This looks closer to endurance geometry such as Look 765 Optium but with that high and wide top tube.
You appear similar dimensions to me,I am 178cm,88cm. inseam,about 77kg.
You are 178cm, what inseam?
Hey Cam - another great video and what a paint job! I watched the build video (great work, too), and am wondering what the 1x chainring size + cassette combo is. Also, maybe time for a fresh video on your recent 1x vs 2x experiences?
50T 10/33 rear 👍 1X is my personal favourite ❤️
@@CamNicholls I'll take that on good authority!
Love it ❤️
Great work Cam. Would never buy an Elves but this type of content with more popular brands would be more something I would tune in for.
Always nice reviews cam... is it good to use height as means of choosing frame size when inseam seems like the more reliable way. I'm 6'1 with 6'5er legs so my height don't mean much.
Hey Cam, great video as always! Was just thinking the test run times you're getting uphill now might be faster than those 3 older bikes because your weight has reduced in recent times!? Might have to start logging your weight on these tests as well 😅
I have put on 1KG since that series (back focused on work now) and I loaded the Elves with a 750ml water bottle (1.2KG), which takes me back to average weight of 79.5kg. So I did have bodyweight mind but I didn't want to add an extra 30 seconds to the vid explaining. However, you're right, I should start tracking weight irrespective or maybe not bother comparing to previous runs anymore. Perhaps there's too much grey. Cheers, Cam
@@CamNicholls it's all good, still love the content and your perspective these bikes is invaluable. I'll still be here waiting for the next video 😊
Great review !! Mate you've gotta do something about that hook you're hanging the scale off. 🤣
Thanks for the depth informative review of the frame. I have been waiting for your Review before purchasing the frame as I am very keen to try it for my self. I have their Orome Wheels TH50D for the past 6 months, rode in all conditions and its really good for Money and performance!
Just a quick question, I too ride 2022 BMC SLR01 in size 54 for 180cm rider with 775mm saddle height. What is your current set up on your Elves?
Saddle height and Integrated handler bar reach? I'm on the fence to o pull the trigger on size 52 or 54.
Thank you!
What a beauty bike
A really full and frank review loved it please lets know how going forward you would compare this model Elves with your latest and stiffer BMC , as we get older Aero or Climber ? which is more important for you Cam.
Not sure I’ll be reviewing the Teammachine that was provided to the channel. Thankfully I’ve reviewed the orange one prior to any relationship and the frameset is the same. I definitely prefer the all round options but I seem to be locked in the aero bike reviewing category that is for sure. 😅
I would love for you to review one of the other eleves frames like the eglath
Hey brother, great videos, thank you. Just curious what handle bar tape you're using there? Thanks, from New York!
nce bike review!
I’ve got an Eglath Pro Disc a few months back. Same TH50 wheel set with a custom GT40 Gulf paint scheme. My experience has been very similar. Bars are a bit flexible at my questionable sprint power of 1200 and 82kgs so take that into your decision process. Quality comfort bike for pennies on the dollar when cross shopping Cervelo or Trek.
Interesting to hear, thanks for sharing on the thread Steve.
Cool review Cam, went to the website, looked up a full bike build price and they want 8k for the Ultegra group set. I can get the BMC road machine ONE Four for 7799. You know which one I chose, YES, the BMC
Great review as always Cam ! Thankyou so much for sharing your view on the Elves. Just wish the distributor would have somewhere or someone to go to for a look see or test ride. That's what I've always felt keeps these brands from not being exposed to the masses. Absolutely love that insane loud hub BTW! I have a set of elite rims that have the screaming banshee sound and it's pure gold. Harks back to the old days as kids with footy cards to make the bike loud 😂
As always many thanks for your video, the thing looks an absolute beast 😊
cant wait for the the polygon a8x review .. like proper riding review
That paint scheme is fantastic, reminds me of a 1960s Le Mans car, with bare aluminium.
The paint jobs are great that is for sure.
Hey Cam, is this bike the same or the new version of the Ascent Mirage (same Ascent whose wheels you tested)? Curious to know if the frame is an open mould. Cheers.
I would be very interested to see the ICAN A9 or A22 in one of your future videos.
Another fine review Cam.
I’d be tempted if I didn’t just go a Polygon A7X…that would be a great one for you to trial mate, lots of value there.
Polygon is coming next! Hopefully just a few weeks away.
@@CamNicholls you are the man.
The A9X is great value as well.
For the budget, conscious cyclist, though, I feel there A7X does the job
If you haven’t already talked to an existing owner or need some input after owning one for a couple of weeks, let me know mate happy to help. Look forward to the review
nice in next video please do a review on Canyon aeroad also :P
Cam, love your content and this review. Would love a comparison of the Elves frame and Canyon Aeroad. Thank you. Patreon to raise funds for an aeroad? I would pay $5-$20 for your review.
Hi Cam!
Great review, and fascinating bulid!
I was just wondering why you don't use your chineese bikes in your other content? You build up this great beast of a bike and end up using the "standard everybody knows about" BMC in the, I would say "not bike-build-relatet" content. Is there a reason for this? Why didn't you use this bike in the "All-Time-Best-Power..."-Video for instance?
Still great and inspiring stuff with the chineese bikes!
Cheers from Germany!
Yō bud quick tip that helps me with climbing with the girthy top tubes it some body glide on the inner thigh/knees and some on the top tube as well, goes on clear no fuss with the paint so it won't stick to you. the other thing is the long stems really effect your side to side out of the saddle but aero/climb are going to have compromises. i have a 90mm stem and it's manageable-ish.
best value out there...
What stem length are you using on those integrated HB cam? Base on that 52sze frame.
Good review. When is your Helios deep dive video coming up?
Hopefully a few weeks. Waiting on some other wheels as they ones it comes with are 👎 stay tuned
Off-topic but would love a video about your experiences riding 1x vs. 2x
The Falath Evo is a straightline missile and feels every bit like the superbike that it is. My Specialized Allez Sprint feels very twitchy and hard in comparison. The value is off the charts too, here in Europe, the frame and handlebar combo is just over half the price of the similar Winspace T1550.
That being said, I do have some stuff I'd like to see changed. Like improved heel clearance at the chainstays, zero setback seatpost option and revised geometry for the larger sizes, with longer top tubes and shorter seat tubes. But overall, the Falath Evo is awesome if it fits.
this frame is not aero lol, it has a square downtube. The frame looks like its price
@@mortenravnsns8439 dont need to
@@Rob-fx5yn Exactly what I've been saying.
@@Rob-fx5yn There's nothing "brick shaped" about it, unless you have eyesight like Mr. Magoo.
@@mortenravnsns8439 hmm i would get a check up if i where you
Hey Cam, just wondering if you have ever looked at Wiggles house brand wheel Prime and their new Primevera range?
They seem like great value, Wiggle are pretty damn easy to deal with if things go awry and how they stack up against these Chinese brands.
Interested in your thoughts, great video. Top work mate. 👍🏼
Thanks for the suggestion mate, I’ll look into it.
I had a pair of Prime wheels and had used them for about 11 months before my mechanic told me there were multiple cracks in the carbon rim and it was unsafe to continue riding.
@@alexyehorov2359I guess no one should ever buy them then?
All brands get some failures. That's what warranty is for.
@@CamNicholls cheers mate
@@alexyehorov2359 Interesting, Prime have different level wheels what were yours that had cracks? How did Wiggle deal with the defects?
Hey Cam, how long is your stem to compensate geometry peculiarity?
Nice video Cam, good insights. Interestingly I got an email from Winspace saying I can now purchase a Winspace direct from the Chinese website, not sure what happened to the Ausiie distributor....
great video. i suppose the handlebar for this frame is proprietary and it has got a 3 degree flare angle. gonna be tough to find and swop to a 10 or 12 degree bar in the future.
Cam, love your content and this review. Would love a comparison of the Elves frame and Canyon Aeroad. Thank you. Patreon to raise funds for an aeroad? I would pay $5-$20 for your review.
Dig the custom vibe… interesting with the glass fibre aspect, I reckon they all do it but some hide it better?
Would be good to see any rider weight differences between the climbing efforts vs speed differences
I have put on 1KG since that series (back focused on work now) and I loaded the Elves with a 750ml water bottle (1.2KG), which takes me back to average weight of 79.5kg. So I did have bodyweight mind but I didn't want to add an extra 30 seconds to the vid explaining. However, you're right, I should start tracking weight irrespective or maybe not bother comparing to previous runs anymore. Perhaps there's too much grey. Cheers, Cam
where did you get the number sticker i had a custom paint build as well but i didnt see a number option!
Are the decals removable or they are covered by the clear coat? thanks!!
If you are building a chinese aero bike I think Elitewheels makes the best aero wheels for the price and they are even lighter than many wheelsets for climbing because the drive wheels have carbon spokes too!
Does the rear wheel/frame interface impact aerodynamics, yes, but not as much as you think. The air is already so turbulent in this region, so lamiar flow to be controlled is limited, plus there is wash from the rear wheel and legs. Closing the gap by shortenig the chainstays would (not by much) change the handling, but moreso compliance. Closing the gap by adding material would only add weight for negliable aero gain (look at the new tt shiv for example).
Plus having more space allows the rider to use different tyre widths, plus limits scratching from stones or other crap that gets stuck in the rear tyre.
Could the 'tyre clearance' actually be an aero thing? I've seen other aero bikes that have similar space... Maybe it just performed better in a wind tunnel?
Ok I'll sub
What is your seatheight from the bottom bracket to the top of the saddle on this bike?
Hey :)
Did You have a chance to test elves nandor mtb frame?
How do the Valar wheels compare to the Hypers or Decadence? Have been eying off the Hypers but they keep increasing their prices.
Hey Cams can you build a Mosso Road frame set? It is a famous aluminum road frame here in the Philippines second to elves...
What is the make and model of that bike stand? It's very nice. Can you post a website link?
Im trying go get over how you can fit on a 52cm fran Cam at 179cms.is that the effective top tube measurement or the seat tube? I'm 180cms and im in a 56 and a 58 too tube with a 12cm stem.
Glass fiber is for stopping possible anodisation between the expander and the carbon
Geometry wise I couldn't even buy the smallest frame with a 76cm inseam, stand over is 77cm. Even then I would then need a 14 -15cm stem. At 168cm I have a long torso and short legs. Actually with most of the Elves frames I would struggle to get a good fit, but with this frame it would be impossible. Not that I'm in the market far a racing frame 😂. Great review none the less Cam.
I real world inseam case right there! Thanks for sharing on the thread mate.
@@CamNicholls What's your inseam cause you seem to be running the seat quite low ?
Oh by the way have you had a chance to try the ICAN A9 aero bike? I'm so interested in how it compares to winspace, yoeleo r12 and propel ...
I rode Yoeleo r12 and now having this Falath Evo. R12 will be more comfortable but stiffness soft compare to Falath Evo, when go thru bump can obviously feel the front fork more stiff . Even during climb Evo more responsive then R12. For me , Evo not over stiff as rock but with my current amateur leg its feel stiff n responsive during sprint n climb compare R12 . R12 suitable for endurance and peloton ride but Evo i feel more faster and breakaway faster.
thanks fam @@lestonycyclistone
How does it feel when comparing to the old falath pro disc?
With regard to the faster time on the Elves, could that also be because your w/kg is higher? Didn't you say in a previous video that you weigh a bit less now?
Any issues with the headset since you’ve been riding the bike? I can’t get mine to stay tight no matter what I do….. comes loose every ride
What is your inseem? I was looking to go for size 52 and I'm 175cm and 82 inseem.
Thanks for sharing. So if you are 176 cm and went for a 52 instead of a 54cm frame. Does it means that a 173cm person like me needs to go from a 52 to a 50cm frame?
I'm the same height. I think that's what he is saying. He is 179cm and rides 54-56cm...so we would be 1 size below him at 50cm for this bike.
Hi top video.
Thinking of buying one, bit which size should i order. Im tall 182 cm... Which Bike size and stem length is best you think...... Thx
Did you already made a choice?
mayI know the length of your stem in the Evo Cam? Thanks
Will there be Polygon Helios A8X riding review?
Hey Cam you downsized to 52 and I noticed your saddle is slammed forward. Is the frame still too long for you?
No the other odd part to Geo is that the reach doesn’t really change that much from a 52 to a 56 so I went 5mm additional reach than normally by going a 120 stem on a 52. Hence pushing the seat forward
@@CamNicholls oh you are right! Falath 2022 also has that and the steep offset made it worst lol. I also moved forward my saddle by 5mm
I tried to order a set of the wheels. 9 weeks later I asked for a eta on them and I was told they were shipped out. 1 week after that email I asked where the tracking number was and was told that they we not sent out. Than I was told they were getting some wheels in soon. But at this point I just wanted my money back, and was tired of the lies. I did get my money back but no wheels after 10 weeks.
I ordered a set of the OROME Valar and the whole process was painless, delivered to my door within a week of ordering (Perth W.A ) Great wheelset, and the hub sounds awesome. Sorry to hear your experience was'nt as positive.
@ugomartinelli7436 I think that's because in Austrailia the rep there ordered some so there was stock. In Canada your on your own.
@@ugomartinelli7436 Same here, Perth WA took 2 weeks in January'23.. I had them for 6 months. Best value for money! i can not fault it and i have ridden Winspace, Enve, Zipp, etc.
8:52 The Hope Lotus British Track Bike has entered the chat!
#immoreaerothenyou
The issue is exactly as bike fitter James from 'Bike fit Tues' said bikes like this are designed for guys hyper flexible and in their 20s but the reality is the market share is guys 30's to 50+. As we get older we become less flexible so a higher front end (stack) is needed. Sure they'll always be someone who defys this but for the majority....!