Why Gamers Hate The RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB
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đ 0:00ââââ - RTX 4060ti 16 GB
đ 1:01ââââ - Status Audio Between 3ANC Wireless Earbuds
đ 2:25ââââ - No review units for the RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB
đ 3:05ââââ - 8 GB VRAM is not enough for GPUs
đ 3:36ââââ - TechSpot 4060 Ti Cost Per Frame
đ 3:56ââââ - Why the RTX 3070 is so important
đ 4:30ââââ - Custom PC Build Super Mario
đ 4:45ââââ - RTX 3070 vs RTX 4060 Ti
đ 5:21ââââ - Gamers Nexus RTX 4060 Ti
đ 5:46ââââ - Hardware Unboxed GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB Benchmark
đ 6:49ââââ - Why Gamers Hate The RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB
đ 8:12ââââ - Vex The RTX 4060 TI 16 GB IS THE WORST GPU EVER MADE
đ 8:39ââââ - The 4060 Ti is the cheapest option for some gamers
đ 9:23ââââ - Nvidia causes market confusion and rips off gamers
đ 10:33ââââ - Like Comment and Subscribe!
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NVIDIA is running planned obsolescence scam.
Gamers at 4060ti : thatâs the worst graphic card! đč
Render Artist at 4060ti: What a beautiful masterpiece đżđ€âš
A friend of mine needed an upgrade from his rx 560. He uses 3D rendering programs and i recommended him the 4060 Ti. He couldn't be happier with it.
I have a 16gb 4060ti and I paid ÂŁ420 as an upgrade from a 12gb 3060 and I love this card.
bro why
@@Facey-ke6xr I could have paid ÂŁ360 and got the 8gb version but I decided to pay the extra ÂŁ60 to have double the VRAM from 8GB to 16GB. Plus I play games like Cyberpunk and Hogwarts that have Frame Generation and Path Tracing. And I thought paying the extra ÂŁ60 to have double the vram seemed a good deal. That is why facey.
@@ethengreen with modern cards if there is a lil overflow with the vram then its not a problem and if you play with 12gb and 4k high settings then its over enougth
@@Facey-ke6xr I have a 50" 3D TV that runs at 1080p. The reason I bought the tv is because I love 3D and I have over 70 3D blu-rays.
I got the same Card . Didnt want to go higher because i have old it-8700 mobo.
so i got this 4060 ti , upgraded from the regular 3060. And im happy as hell with it. playing PC VR smokin fast .
also have 64 gigs memory installed. so entire games can load onto my memory. im basically running around inside my memory sticks in VR,
You're most welcome Erock.
Also nice work on summarizing why gamers hate the 16GB RTX 4060 Ti :D Keep'em coming!
Oh wow thanks so much! This made my day! :-)
But in one way 4060Ti 16GB is liveable : I sold my 2 years old 3070 approx. 330$ and i bought discounted new Panther 4060Ti 16GB for 450$ from store. In raster almost same power with some home OC, but in CP 2077 is more usable at 1440P DLSS with Frame gen, due to sometimes needed 9.2GB. Investing 120$ for DLSS 3.5/ Frame Gen / + 8GB Vram.
Not just 4060 Ti 16 GB, I think gamers hate all Nvidia's recently stuff, A decade ago, NVIDIA no longer had any credibility with the gamers community, especially those who puts price to performance.
Yes you are correct.
ever since nvidia started this whole RTX generation they have slowly been moving away from gamers, rtx gpu were the first to introduce ridiculously high prices and things have been going from bad to worse ever since
nah not a decade ago , look at gtx 1000 series which was 8 years ago , literally some of the best price to performance cards ever and still to this day are relevant on the high end 8 years later and mind u this was when nvidia was in a one horse race , amd was no where to be found at the time , the gtx 1060 gb being pretty much as powerful as a gtx 980 is something that will probably never happen again with a 60 and 80 series card and they fixed their heat issues that arrived in the 900 series in one generation , nvidia used to be crazy good , it wasnt just cuz they were in a one horse race that we put on blinders or nostalgia or anything like that
@@enzithesuccubus1072 well back then nvidia didn't have a massive feature set advantage apart from cuda. now they have optix for RT rendering (pretty much all 3d rendering), better codec in case ur platform doesn't support AV1 (a lot of them dont), much lower power consumption with the 40 series, less heat, dlss, rt performance, ai etc... nowadays they don't need to provide a better product for it to sell. the only group amd caters to are gamers and that's why their market share is miniscule.
@@enzithesuccubus1072 moore's law is coming to a end..
Awesome video. My 2070 super just broke (overheating issue) and was looking at 4060ti the 8gb. Iâm not looking for ultra gaming but as a decent card for the price $400 does it preform okay? On short notice I canât pay $600 for a 4070 which seems like a better option.
Appreciating my 3080 more and more as the time goes
Oh yeah for sure!
It's not cheap but very capable
Still rocking with my 3080 ftw3
I liked everything about my 3080 12gb other than the fact that it turned my PC into a space heater! I underestimated how much heat 360w would produce. I sold my 3080 12gb for $850 2 weeks before the 4070 launched and then bought that instead for $600 haha. Technically my original card was faster according to benchmarks but in reality, in the games I play, it was performing a little better. I game at 1440p which is benefiting more from the faster clock speed of the 4070 as opposed to the higher memory bandwidth of the 3080 12gb. I had this in mind before I made the switch. Had I gamed at 4K, I would have been better off keeping my 3080 12gb and just sweating my balls off.
I'm really glad I purchased RX 6800 XT with 16gb video memory.
Not one mention about the RTX 4060 Ti's direct competition at the $500 price-point. So far, only Daniel Owen has done it right.
I bought my first PC setup this summer for $2,000 dollars with a 3060 Dual OC 12GB and 13700KF (CPUs and GPUs are way more expensive in Iceland, the CPU and GPU were $500 each), and a week later I got word about the 4060 coming out, and I was upset at missing it.
But now after seeing that it's about 20% better in performance and like 15% higher in prince in Iceland, I'm not upset at missing it since the only thing I'm really missing out on is the frame gen AI, but I'm upset at NVIDIA's anti-climactic gen "upgrade".
If the 4060 was like 50% better in performance at almost the same price as the 3060, I'd without a doubt sell my 3060 and buy a 4060 instead. But now it's a no-brainer to just go with 3060 in Iceland, almost no difference in P/P for us.
So, I currently own a **970** and want to upgrade. My screens are both 1080p, but I might consider getting a 1440p in the near future.
Models up to the 4060 Ti are within my budget, but 4070 onwards aren't. What should I do? Save for a few more months to get a better one?
If sub $500 is your target, you have lots of options. AMD, Intel, or a 30xx series are all viable competitors. RX 6800XT, Arc A770 16GB, or 3060 12GB would be the models I would start with. Any would be an upgrade. However, each of these has some limitations, so do some more research to find out which features are most important to you. There are probably a couple of other options sub $500, or even sub $400. But...there is not a "magic" GPU that is clearly the absolute best in every single case - at this price point.
If you want 1440p, the 4060 and 4060 ti are not going to cut it. I did a full review on the 4060. Itâs up on my channel. You can see the limitations at 1440p. If you want 1440p, I would do one of two options. I would save a little more money and get at least a 4070 or I would consider finding a last gen GPU like the 30 series cards or the AMD cards.
stay away from the 60 series card, hope the AMD 7700 and 7800 are having a good performance to price ratio and are released this year and go for that, otherwise you should look at last gen 6700-6800xt and inbetween
or save the money
Thanks a lot for the replies and inputs, guys.
@@ErockOnTech I did see your 4060 review video, and that was one of the factors that dissuaded me from going for that. I thought the ti version might be worth it, especially since where I live the 4060 ti is *a lot* cheaper than even the 3070 (but that's a _mycountryproblem_ ).
But I guess that settles it, I'll save a bit more and either go for the 4070 or the AMD 7700 when it comes up.
Completely irrelevant, but it even feels more correct considering I'm coming from an older 70 model that served me quite well for some 7-8 years.
@@MWalkah Awesome! Iâm happy we could help out! Iâm happy you have a game plan now!
So if i want to upgrade my graphics card right now, should i wait for the 16gb model or should i go with the 8gb model (btw i have a 1660 super, and im planning to upgrade my whole pc).đ
If you buy a 4060, get the 16 GB model. But I would strongly suggest another GPU altogether. Get a 4070 or an AMD card.
i would go with the 8gb model, unless you are into other things than gaming, take the 16 but the 8 will be sufficient for gaming.
@@ErockOnTech IF you go look at many benchmarks between the 16 and 8, the difference aint worth the money
dang it! i just got my first computer pre built from best buy and it has this card. 4960ti 16g. so i should be bummed right?
No
Between the RX 5700 XT and RX 6600 XT, which GPU performs better on a PCIe Gen 3 system with an i5-10400F and B560 motherboard without any significant loss of performance?
Lol thatâs a very specific question. I havenât tested that specific scenario. What I can tell you is that both cards perform about the same. So get the cheapest option or best deal available to you.
5700 xt if you get at 150 or cheaper they new great replacement of rx 580
This gen is a complete mess. At this point I'm no longer mad, I'm apathetic.
I was always happy to see innovation and increase in performance, generation to generation, but this is a mess.
4070 with 12gb of vram, 4060ti with 16gb at a $100 premium, with a cut down die, in the past the card with higher memory would get a better gpu. It feels like nvidia is forgetting that their innovations, like raytracing, dlss, etc. all use a lot of vram. 4080 at a stupid price point for no reason other than to make their customers mad.
It feels like nvidia is shooting themselves in the foot by giving their products an inadequate amount of memory and setting prices out of reach for all of their customers, while amd is completely failing to capitalize on nvidias mistake, by releasing their underdog cards at a value that the market favorite would. This gen is a complete and utter mess, I'm thinking of switching to console gaming, if the gen after this one is as pathetic. Let's hope intel battlemage can fix the gpu market.
I understand your frustrations completely. I think we all feel the same way. Iâve seen many people mention going back to console gaming because of this nonsense.
Vram ! Vram! Vram! Everyone wants Vram ! Well guess what ? theres other things on a gpu to take into account other than vram, like bus size, clock speeds, memory speeds and so on. power delivery driver stability...
@@sergiolandz6056 but when you have a powerful card and you can't use the big texture pack because vram is a fucking 8gb i'm upset. texture pack have little cost on perfomarce and good visuals but vram is too low on nvidia crap
Please answer the following question: In which video(s) on this channel did you _compute_ (by using math) that the 16GiB model _can_ cost $400? Please note that "should cost" is very different from "can cost".
I can tell this isn't going anywhere so no I'm not engaging in this negative conversation. If you want to support Nvidia's terrible pricing then go for it. The rest of us will wait for better deals.
so i was going for 4060 ti 16 g buy now i m confused can you recommend me a gpu for 3d rendering and high end gaming
for "high end" gaming, I'm assuming at least 2k resulotion? And for 3d rendering you are gonnna need at least 12GB VRAM, but really you want 16GB to be comfortable, 4070Ti Super would be the perfect pick
The main selling point of the 4060/4060 to is the power efficiency. You can run those cards off a stick power supply. They have Lovelace architecture instead of Ampere. They are much more efficient cards
That's true. That is a selling point if you don't have a GPU already or if you are coming from an old GPU.
â@@ErockOnTech And a crappy PSU. I have a 500w psu. No need to change that if I get a 4060! Although I would still argue it should be named 4050 and at a lower price point!
Sure you can put a Beatle engine with a Porsche price and have great fuel efficiency. But it's still crap.
@@donh8833 not really, it's basically a better RX 7600 and consumes less with better upscaling
It's overall as performant as the 3060... using cache to minimize the need for bus. The added RAM is going to be really useful going forward, even if gamers don't really realize it yet. Meanwhile, except in terms of how things will pan out going forward, the 3060 and 4060 are roughly equivalent cards. But you will really need that 16gb in two years for gaming.
Meanwhile us AI folks are super happy with the 4060ti.
if you are creator content , streamer or AI user , go for rtx 4060 ti 16gb , if you want gpu for just gaming , go for amd like rx 6700xt.
Thatâs fair.
Tbh if I just play games at 1080p it's solid and very energy efficient idk why no one looks at the power consumption and right now they can be had for 410$ on Amazon for the 16 GB model
I have the 16 gig and it does everything I need it to. My pc makes me money and the extra vram without tripping a breaker at my house makes it worth it to me (old building). RE4 remake for example uses 11-12 gigs of vram and this card does it maxed with RT at 1440p or 1080p. It isnt a bad card, just expensive.
I've been thinking about building a pc with 16gb vram, I can't do 4070 ti which gonna double the price of the build and force me to upgrade my monitor to 2k or 4k and they're still expensive, I gotta go with 4060 ti 16gb even if it's a bit expensive, but the value of the build would be still great
honestly so glad I've managed to get a 3060Ti at the start of 2020, just before the shortage started
the more time goes by, the more I'm starting to appreciate it more and more (and feel bad for my friend, who is currently on a 2060, trying to look for a new GPU upgrade)
Dude, I had to buy during the shortage. I paid almost $700 for a Aorus Elite 3060Ti (all I could find). I'm very happy with my 1080p fps but I'm getting occasional memory warnings. If it had been possible to wait, I could have had a 3070Ti for that price. But I'd still likely be experiencing the beginnings of memory issues... even if I could've held out for a 4060/Ti 8Gb.
The 3060 Ti is a great card.
@@purplemicrodot58 Yeah you would have the same memory warnings still.
Uh, I don't think that's possible. The 3000 series came out in summer 2020.
@@purplemicrodot58 that's at the end of 2020.
Hy broo . I'm planning to buy a new gaming laptop.. acer Helios 16 13th i7 gen Intel or msi sword 15 12th i7
Which one to buyđ
@@ajayjayandhan6355 MSI dont have a good track record with laptops feel free to check out jerrods tech Im a big fan of the Helios
I'm not really a laptop guy. I am sorry. I would suggest watching jerrods tech.
@@ErockOnTech thanks bro pleasure
what should I buy then? I have a 3-400 dollar price range, and there aren't many other options
4060ti/16gb is really a decent card. They are like $400 on sale.
Great content as Always âđđđđđBy now I would've saved up and just bit the bullet and purchased an MSI RTX 4090. After that I wouldn't upgrade again for 5 or more years. There's really not a perfect card but sometimes you have to roll with what's good enough for now. I really liked my Msi 1080ti for The Division 2 and Vr gaming but its time to move on. Regardless of what the 50 and 60 series promises I'll hold my ground and enjoy whatever card I have đ
Thank you đ
What are you leaning towards getting then?
@@ErockOnTech the Rtx 4090 without a doubt with an I9 13900k. It's been years since I've upgraded anything in my life. I usually go for mid tier or take short cuts. This one time I wanna go all in. I'm still playing older games like Generation Zero, the Division 2, Days Gone,and Fallout 4. The only "new" games I'm playing is Far Cry 6 and a ton of discounted Steam and Epic games. I have an Index, Steamdeck and the PSVR 2. I just built a library of games to spend time with when I'm bored and especially around the holidays. I can't trust gpu or cpu prices coming down anytime soon. I always do my research and listen to tons of opinions and input. But in the end sometimes you gotta just pull the trigger without regrets. My brother passed away unexpectedly last month and he was a retro gamer to the max. I've learned that it's ok to enjoy yourself today because tomorrow may not come. I take care of my family, bills and responsibilities first. Then every blue moon I treat myself to something nice with no regrets.đ
@@SoUtHMeMpHis Oh wow I am so sorry to hear about your brother and his passing. That is very sad. As for the 13900k and 4090, I get it entirely. Honestly, I want to sell my 4080 and get a 4090 also. I have a 7800X3D which is the fastest AMD gaming CPU. Iâm one part away from having the fastest GPU in general. I wouldnât mind having intel also. Treat yourself and enjoy!
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funny that people don't bash super series that much yet, all of them share same amount of vram. 1000USD gpu with 16GB? that is a joke
for gamers that may be cool but for other stuff like video editing, AI, 16GB is actually useful
in my area this card got discounts lately and price per fps is slightly worse than 4070 super. Unfortunately 4070 super does not have 16GB, so the only option is 4070TI super, and the price/value ratio for that card is much worse. Only for 4K gaming price per fps stays on similar level
A lot of gamers have tunnel vision and can't see pass their own nose.
Im totally content with my 16GB Red Dragon 6800XT. Handles everything i throw at it. Good enough for my usage scenarios.
The 6800 XT aged very well! Itâs a solid card! Youâre good for a while.
This is unfortunately what happens when there's no competition. NVIDIA turns around and says "Ok, whatever. You want 16GB? Fine. Here. You happy now? Go away. The AI Adults are talking about real business deals."
Maybe when their stockholders look at the performance of their "Gaming division" and have to answer to the future of that segment, we may get something better or they will just make so much profit from AI hardware that we'll just have to wait for Intel at this point to actually do something to compete.
You are completely correct. The lack of competition is the biggest issue here for sure.
i dont blame nvidia to hit the AI race right now, its the future sadly.
That's not what happened. What's happened is that gamers are third-tier now while AI takes first+second. This card is suitable for AI, especially considering that file systems are moving onto the GPU cards now, lessening the need for PCs in the first place.
But if you also want to run an LLM AI locally when youâre not gaming, bargain
Soooo what if you can get the 16gb for the price of the non ti?
There is not a single review I'v seen so far that does not talk about the price, and I get it, but when so many people are hating on this card you would think there was something actually wrong with it. I get price to performance, but your games will run fine with this card.
Thank you. I just ordered the card and looked on CZcams and all I see is people shitting on it. I'm upgrading from a 1660 TI, I'm excited as fuck and everyone is buzzkilling it for me
@@dakotaisgreat Yea the buzzkill was bad for me too. I got my new comp with this card a couple of weeks ago. I also upgraded to a 27 inch 144hz monitor. Everything is working great. My K/D has gone up in CoD and RDR2 looks absolutely amazing. đ
Exactly. They never talk about the 4060ti's fantastically low power consumption.
except most of their price/performance ratios are flawed because they tested them with DLSS off. All the 40 series cards have DLSS 3 and the 4060ti 16g is a great card for 1080p idc what the gpu snobs have to say.
To people like me who are upgrading to a Desktop. And who have a GTX 950. This card looks good.
The 4060 TI should have had a 192bit bus and 12GB GDDR6 12gbps (288GB/sec) rather than super expensive 128bit 18gbps GDDR6X (288GB/sec) they could have done it for $400 easy too.
The 4070 cards should have had 16gbps GDDR6 256bit bus and 16GB VRAM rather than expensive GDDR6X 21gbps 192bit.
Sure power consumption would go up but not not by a whole lot around 40 watts at the most. This would have around the same performance while allowing more memory for the same cost. the only thing i can think of is inVidia is wanting to push their proprietary GDDR6X and that is it but it's also about up selling the customer to buy the next teir up, problem is they are all awful value with the exception of the RTX4090 which is crazy expensive but it's the only thing that adds value!!!
12GB should be mainstream with the upper mainstream 16GB, high-end 20GB and ultra high-end 24GB like the route AMD has gone down. Nvidia shot themselves in the foot... with a bazooka.
While nVidia is coming out with enhanced texture compression (Random-Access Neural Compression) that most likely needs to be implemented into games and thus has no impact on the present games thats staved of memory capacity. Even then that would be like 28% less memory consumption so a 8GB RTX4060 Ti with NTC would be like 12GB so even if the tech was implemented in today games it would still struggle but no doubt better than sitting on 8GB with BC compression but don't expect it till late 2024 so it's not going to impact the state of these graphics cards that are struggling with memory constraints today.
Yeah AMD has done a much better job on VRAM offerings and overall pricing. However, the value is still questionable on these new AMD cards when you compare them to the 6000 series.
Additionally, Nvidia doesnât care about gamers anymore. When they thought they needed gamers, they gave us a decent jump in performance and good presentation of the 30 series cards for example. But then the crypto boom took off. They jumped ship immediately and took advantage of gamers. Then when the 40 series was announced it was basically a footnote in their 2 hour long conference. Now they are focusing on selling their AI capabilities to other companies for way more than they could ever make from gamers alone. That, amongst other things, is why the 40 series is so bad for gamers. Nvidia simply doesnât give a crap about the gaming market.
Thank you! I didn't understand the low bus size but its proprietary!
Hey you talk always about gamers . So my question . Is this 4060 TI good for editing 4k footage ?
Yes I would imagine so. It has the latest Nvenc encoders, it has AV1 encoding, and it has 16 gb of memory.
I personally have one of the rarer 3080 models the 12 gb version. Im gonna stick with that at least until next gen of video cards
Yeah I wish I could have had the 12 GB model of the 3080.
Might work ok... tho' the cards being created are primarily for AI right now, not gamers. Thanks to the gamers for funding all the R&D tho'!
There's people out there just selling off their hadware to get the new stuff. Saw a streamer sell of her 3080 ti for $450 to get a 4070 . Her logic I just spent $250 to upgrade and now I have a new card with a new warranty. Completely in denial that she got that 3080 ti for $1,400 during crypto boom. Sidegrade.
Correction: xx50 class of card
I'll just wait for the next gen cards. Maybe they will be better.
Thatâs in 2025.
Just plan on wait another year as super release pretty much take care of this year
As an ex owner of a rx 5700xt with 8gb ,I switched to an rtx 3080ti with 12 gb. I gotta say...I was very lucky I have found it new in stock. The 40 series were a total disaster by value and price. The only two cards worth it of this generation are the 4080 and 4090 but damn man,if you aren't some rich guy who can pay 1400-1600 for the best performance....I don't think it's worth it either. Too bad they don't offer the same value as it was the 10 series and the 20 series anymore....
Yeah pricing is pretty ridiculous. Nvidia really screwed gamers over this generation.
i need x8 card.. i think i should wait a little bit longer until the price is more reasonable. on my country this card cost around $630 and the 4070 around $693
Yeah the longer you wait the better deals you can find.
I want to do Ai Stuff in the future, imagine my confusion xD
And I am "poor", but today I nearly bought a 4090 just to be done with it.
For weeks I am trying to figure out how AMD performs with Stable Diffusion and LLM.
But no success there. It's all a blur between Linux, DirectML, ROCm, HIP...
who knows what helps with what and when it actually will be released, and when the Software gets the Update to support it...
I really wanted to go AMD, but it's better to get NVidia until the Smoke cleared up.
If I just wanted to game, I would buy an AMD Card RIGHT NOW.
Prices here in Germany still suck, but I waited for an upgrade since the 6000 Series was released and got scalped out of reach for me.
One of my issues with this gen is while I could buy a card, I don't want to feel like I'm being bent over and rooted from behind. Especially when I don't really need a gpu currently.
and here I sit with my GTX970 looking for an upgrade because after 8 years I finally cant play new games anymore at minimum resolution and I still dont want to do it for this price although I would be able to do it like you... I guess I will end up with a 4070 when the price drops a bit or even go for an older gen or AMD... luckily there is not much pressure to do it immediately as my time to game is scarce anyways xD
@@uzkrak952 My plex box is rocking a gtx970 on my lg c2. Great card to last this long but I feel ya with gaming on it.
I just purchased a 4090 earlier today and the rest for a new build. I got lucky with a good tax return, been saving for a while and wanted to see starfield and cyberpunk on the oled.
Not the smartest spend but yolo.
I have rtx 3070 and its still great for 1080p, especially with dlss quality. They kinda fixed the games that had vram problems and even if they didn't I would just run high settings instead of ultra and its fine. I mean 3070 gets stable 70 fps with dlss quality on remenant 2 on 1080p. Games like TLOU and Hogwarts etc run fine after patches. I definitley won't upgrade till 50xx series. I rather just don't use all ultra settings.
Bro im rocking a rx 580 4gb playing games at 1440p, what are you doing ?
@@sergiolandz6056 what games bro, minesweeper?
@@sergiolandz6056 That's just not possible, unless you're playing 10 year old games. I bought a 3070 in 2022 and couldn't play cyberpunk. Only got 40 fps or less in 1080p everything max (without pathtracing only RT Ultra) + DLSS Balanced. Then after the patches 20-30 because of only 8 gb vram. The chip could do a lot more. Now with a 4070 ti Super I get 60 FPs in 1440p with everything max with Pathtracing and DLSS Quality (no Frame Generation). Now thats like a 5-6 fold increase in performance, because I'm playing in double the resolution with Pathtracing instead of raytracing which you can look up in youtube it almost halves the performance once more and higher DLSS setting and still getting more then double the fps. And the 4070 ti super is surely not 5-6 times faster than a 3070. So 8 gb of vram was too little all along. That was my worst buy ever. I literally quit playing games for almost 2 years because if I can't max out I wont play and with the 8 gb basically choking me in every game I wanted to play there was no option. Almost every newer game wants close to or more than 8 gb of vram even in 1080p if you turn everything up. The chip can provide 60 fps but the low bandwith and low capacity vram chokes it down to 20-30. All that said I'm so glad I didn'T fall for the 4070 ti non super with 12 gb VRam because CP2077 sometimes needs 13 gb and Diablo 4 even allocates 15 gb sometimes.
I think its the cheapest option for machine learning where ram is the most important thing.
Well now we have the 7800 XT. Thats also a viable option.
@@ErockOnTech I donât think so, because lots of models need cuda cores. And the 7800 xt is also more expensive
Also look at what nVidia did. They give you RAM that will house a 2025 GPU file system for gaming... and they give you roughly the same performance as a 3060 by increasing L2 cache. Then they run the card cooler (AND FASTER) by having a narrow bus and such. The 4060ti/16 is a sleeper.
I HAVE A RYZEN 7 5700g WITH 32gb MEMORY BUT I WANT TO UPGRADE WITH GRAPHIC CARD
WHICH IS BEST FOR THAT ?
MANY PEOPLE TELL ABOUT 3070 BUT I THINK ITS TOO MUCH OLD ITS NOT GOOD FOR NEWLY GAMES.....
PLEASE SOLVE MY PROBLEM .......
THANK U
Well if you think the 3070 is too old, then that rules out any 30 series Nvidia GPU or 6000 series AMD GPU. So that leaves you with AMD 7000 series or Nvidia 4000 series. Whatâs your budget? What are your goals with the GPU?
The 4060Ti/16 may be a good choice. It holds well against the 3070 and has the extra RAM on board for 2025-era file systems and higher resolution. That being said, the 4060ti is not gonna last forever... it is probably a transtiional card. Great for AI. Good for gamers. As gamers get used to hosting file system on the GPU to store compressed assets and such, that 16gb space will be relied upon. Hopefully soon we'll see GPU cards with NVME interfaces too.
I dont think you are gonna see the comment but i am so cofused what to buy right now the 3070 is a good option but it has 8 gb of vram while the 4060 ti it has 16 gb of vram
I've just bought a 4060. Sent it right back...
what would be a good card for 500 bucks?
6800 XT. Or potentially the upcoming 7700/7800 GPUs. Or a 30 series card that you can find second hand or up on new egg still.
@@ErockOnTech thanks also looks like the 6800 xt out performs the 4060 ti
@@sn21fraps Yes it does!
Worth considering only when you have power constraints rtx 4060ti can be used with a 550psu now i dont know a card that is in pair with that and can run on 550 Wats psu or less for people that wanna upgrade completely definitely not owrth considering but seeing how much a good 750wat psu costsâŠ
There are definitely similar performing cards that can be used with 550w PSU. This is not the only one.
@@ErockOnTech tell me a few then
I bet you cant say one that is similar in price or cheaper and has better performance that can be used with 550wats
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@@Buxus lol the 3070. Itâs cheaper now. It was the same launch MSRP. It out performs the 4060 TI.
Actually, all gamers should hate Nvida. The prices are still sick... unfortunately too many people buy these overpriced cards still @ 1080GTX and happy playing @ 1440P @ 60-90 FPS on new Games @ 180W max
Well I also care if the card can live until I want to upgrade. price/year.
amd have forced me to upgrade early, because their stuff just die too soon.
The rtx 4060 TI is for people who need more vram than power.
They consume much less electricity than their bigger brothers, so much that you can actually include the savings from your power bill, into the price.
You don't have to apply a lot of features in a game to have it look almost as amazing as the guy running highest settings. A 4060 should do fine for all games out there.
The biggest problem is in multiplayer games, where everyone has their own custom stuff. Skins/accessories.
Having all that stuff loaded simultaneously, require vram.
Also if you use upscaling, you properly can go lower in calculated resolution, than people are atm. I like to see some testing on that.
And all those features applied, seems like wasted power, because some of them are included in other features.
Really doubt Nvidia will be able to keep up it's dominance (at least on the gaming side) once AMD and Intel reach better parity when it comes to those extras unless they cut the price and make sure these things are actually available. Ray tracing performance will get better. I'm done frothing at the mouth to buy the shiney new gpus. I am blessed enough to have a really good gpu now but yeah I overpaid. It isn't a good feeling and where I probably wouldn't even think about buying anywhere but nvidia in the past but now I'm dreading the idea of even trying to get a new batch. One recommendation everyone, avoid 4k monitors. You can get a great ultrawide oled monitor for about the same and I really can't tell the difference in games and out I got used to it in minutes. That'll quickly fix your "need" to get better frames. Just my two cents.
everything is over priced, i get mad every single time i leave the grocery store. I got me the 4060ti 8gb version on sale for black friday and cannot complain about the price i paid for it compared to what the others were offering in the same price range.
This guys videos are a punch to the B hole.
Should i be getting into am5 or intel?
i still use a GT 1030 been using it for about 3.5 years....
Itâs $500 when it should be no more than $350. Thatâs why.
Not even 350. The memory bus is only 128 bit
well, i'll wait 2 years for the 50 series.
Sounds good!
Pretty sad that EVGA left the gpu market, I have their RTX 2060 Ko Ultra, it's been a great little card for the past 4 years, I may upgrade to one of their 30 series cards, to me tdp & price to performance are equally important, if I do upgrade, it'll have to be something that's double the specs of my current gpu, with no more than a 200 watt tdp.
I want this card for ai stable diffusion rendering not gaming. My rx 5700xt works perfectly for gaming. I just bought a 3060 12gb but already want to upgrade. Lol
Very well put. 3 years later, the price to performance has gotten worse. 4060 should be a 4050 at $200 and 4060ti a 4050ti at $250.
Nvidia tried to trick customers with the 3060 8gb 128 bit version and sell it at the same price as the 12gb 192 bit as well as the 4070ti as a 4080 and this is just a continuation of that trend
The rtx 4060ti is actually a rtx 4060. Its got like a massive 1300 cuda core increase over the 4060. If anything, its massively hamstrung by its 128bit bus. It REALLY needs a 160bit bus with 10gb of vram at the minimum. THAT would likely push its performance to current rtx 3070ti and maybe edge it out. Ideally, it should have had 192bit bus with 12gb of vram at which point it'd be likely within 20% of a rtx 4070.
The rtx 4060 as it is right now should be the rtx 4050 or rtx 4050ti at best. The rtx 4050 due to its 6gb of vram should not cross the $200 mark and should be limited to 75w to really make use of its efficiency. And the current 4060 should be at $250 with the 4050ti name slapped on it.
The rtx 4070 currently going should be at 200w and maybe shave off a few cuda cores and call it the rtx 4060ti and place it at $400 to $450. With the current rtx 4070ti having a 256bit bus with 16gb of vram at $500 to $550 and called the rtx 4070. The rtx 4080 should really be brought back down to earth at $800. Then there should be a rtx 4080ti that sits between the rtx 4080 and 4090 and have 20gb of vram on a 320 bit bus.
Youâre completely correct!
Dude, there is the post covid economy and a war in europe, prices would not improve in 3 years, only get worse..
If I was to upgrade from a 2060 S to a 4060 TI 16GB VRAM for free, is it worth it?
Yes
outperforms except when you need the VRAM, right? Also..the 3070ti is $200 more atm lol
Having 16gb on the GPU card is going to be 'the standard.' File systems are moving onto the GPU cards ==> you can't do much with 8gb. Once games+ai apps start moving their file systems over to the GPU 8gb won't be good for much. I'd look for 24gb rsn as the minimum RAM limit on a GPU is pushed upward.
The average players uses a 550w or less psu...so y ou go with the push of the 6700xt...now you paid 325..gotta buy another psu..and gotta buy some fans more than likely because it runs hot. Electricity bill goes up substantially as well. In short..4060 is cheaper than an 6700xt in the long run and saves on electric bills.
My 3060ti runs fine, if you are playing on 1080p do I really need 16 gb vram
Not until 2024-2025 when the GPU grows its own file system for fast data storage+retrieval. The 4060ti/16 is really nice in that it reduces accesses, runs a bit faster and runs cooler due to the smaller datapath/bus size.
I do agree , nvidea is making stupid products with different Vram amount on the same card and the same performance , I was planning to buy a 4060Ti zotac gaming 16GB but after i saw this video i decided to stay on my 2060
Ngreedia.
Rtx xx50 specs at xx70 price
Nvidia Ai chips are used a lot for military items like bombs or artillery shells. They have no incentive to lower their gpu prices when most of their money is coming in their Ai chips.
Gamers should wake up that everything is more expensive these days.
You are correct. That is true. Everything is more expensive. Inflation is real. It impacts us all. However, that does not minimize the fact that the 4060 TI is a rip off. You pay more for less.
@@ErockOnTech I agree, I would only consider the 4060 and the 4070, never the ti's.
Im gonna get the MSI 4060TI cause i dont have $700 to $1000+ for a 3070
I have a RTX 4060 and was looking to get a RTX 4060 ti, so I looked up the comparison.. and the 4060 ti only got like 2-4 fps better... not worth the price for me.
I agree 100%!
I'm considering about getting 4070 as I feel like 4070 is the most reasonable for 40 series.
4080 or above are too expensive, but 4060Ti or below are jokes.
4070Ti may not be worthy as it gives 10-15% better performance while costing more $200 compared to 4070.
The 4070 Ti is overpriced for sure. Itâs $800 MSRP and usually you canât find it for that price. It depends on your market of course. I agree that if youâre getting a 40 series card, the 4070 is the most compelling option below $1000.
i personally prefer the 4070 vs the 4070 ti, they have the same bottlenecks so i think you gain somewhat more value for the money with the 4070, and if you consider the TI the 7900xt start to make a lot of sense instead
@@lek1223 Also very true.
@@lek1223 what's the 4070ti bottleneck?
The 4060ti is a very nice card. It is designed to be an equivalent to the 3070... but also offer capacity to AI gen, which is the main business now. Further, with 16gb you have enough to build out a file system on the GPU. 8gb won't work for that. So going forward... 4060ti w/ 16gb will be a sort of minimum requirement. Having file systems on the GPU is really going to be sweet.
NVIDIAâs 4000 series and Amdâs 7000 series are a complete mess. Truly disappointing.
I agree!
Yes. AMD are NOT innocent. They are trying to follow Nvidia's lead. Reject their bullshit too...
At least the 7000 series cards give proper VRAM size and bus width.
@@jasonking1284 AMD could do better. I agree.
@@GeoStreber You are right on that!
Personally, Id rather buy a 16gb GPU for $500 than an 8GB GPU for $400. But I also personally wouldn't recommend either for anything other than 1080p. In which case the 16GB should have better longevity
Me too. Not only am I a gamer but I also do GPU intensive things where vram does matter because im doing things like AI art or working in blender and 16GB is more than enough while 12gb is the standard for things like that
I agree that if you were to buy one of these cards, the 16 GB model is better than the 8 GB model. But $500 for a 1080p GPU in 2023 is ridiculous no matter how you slice it in my opinion. Resolution aside, the 8 GB 3070 is still performing better. That speaks volumes to me.
More vram is definitely better. But itâs not the only factor.
@@ErockOnTech Thats true
@@ErockOnTech yeah it's still a bad price... I just think the 400 dollar card is worse value haha
LOL, earbuds with antennas !
Cyberpunk 2077 also didn't send product to reviewers before launch :)
Yeah and that launch was a disaster.
This video was made 8 months ago and guess what we are now seeing games that choke out a 8GB card ..... Soooo, if your RTX 4060 ti with 16GB takes you another year or 2 into the future without needing to upgrade then how much is that worth.
I just upgraded to a Asus RTX 4060 Ti 16GB from a 2080 Super .. 1) it fit my case, 2) it fit my power budget, 3) awesome upgrade from my 2080, 4) it bought me another 3 years on this rig. A 4070 Ti 16 GB in Canada would have been $900 to $1200 so the $589CND fit the budged.,,, Was it worth it ... Context Matters.. in my books yes.
If they made the efficient rtx 4070 the 4060ti 12gb for $400, It would be the next big thing.
Yeah youâre probably right.
They couldnât because of the bus width. Thus they shouldâve either made it either 192bir 12GB or 128bit 16GB there should be no the ONLY option at $400.
â@@Chrisp707- No need any adjustments in the hardware side.. Just rename 4070 to 4060ti then price it $400. Only problem is, Nvidia will need to readjust the upper stack. Their fault. They made the tier below 4090 subpar. 4080 shouldn't be that far from 4090.
I have this card and it's absolutely Fantastic!!!
Wow the 3070 beat the 4060Ti by one frame, lol. Every benchmark video I've seen has the 4060ti keeping pace with both the 3070 and the 2080Ti. I have the 16gb model and like it a lot, training datasets for AI with it.
creators in shambles rn
Only way id buy a 4060ti is if it gave more fps than a 3070 ti. Nvidia is just doing dumb shi . The only cards worth it in the 40 series is the 4070 and up and even the 4070 price be having me raise my eyebrow. 4060ti not even a bad card just priced terribly like you said
Let me explain. The 4060Ti is not intended for gamers. It is intended for low-budget AI gen. The 16gb prevents the GPU from having to switch to PC-based RAM and having to talk to it over the really slow PCI bus.
At the same time, the 4060Ti covers some of the sins of the smaller bus by pumping up cache, giving performance a modest edge for gamers on most 16gb cards. That was the intent. Phase out the 3060 cards and offer a card to the AI folks at a decent price. nVidia doesn't care about gamers anymore... it cares about AI. Gamers are gonna be treated like backwater crocodiles for awhile.
Meanwhile, this is a great card for AI gen. And it's cheap. For us, we would not go to the 4070 or so next. We would go to A100 / cloud-based services.
So there. Now you understand. Gamers are third-tier now. That's just the way it's gonna be.
Meanwhile, this is a pretty good card for gaming. Just don't expect the huge strides you've seen before. Be happy you're getting a roughly equivalent/performant card.
And then let me ask you this why do you think itâs a bad card when people keep buying the 16 gig version I bought one my girlfriend has one 20 of my friends have one everybody else keep Keeps on buying I havenât had one single problem with the 16 gig so you wanna keep on hating no one cares
Fell asleep 8 minutes and haven't a clue why it should be a bad card, my own fault for watching clickbait titles
I just upgraded from rtx 3060 to rtx 4070 for 500 bucks, works really good and performs well.
getting mine soon, upgrading from a rx 580 cannot wait to see the dif
I completely agree with you, well almost.
So hereâs my take: if i was a gamer, i would never consider nvidia, especially not now. Amd is almost as good and has far more reasonable pricing. Problem is Ai, it is really hard to get anything running with amd properly even on Linux, and you need vram more=better. And while 4060ti 16gb is very overpriced, is probably the cheapest option to run it, at least satisfactory. I was waiting for amd to do something, but itâs just not getting any better. Thatâs why at least for now nvidia is only option, this is why you got ridiculous pricing. And it wonât change if amd canât compete. But for gaming, just get the amd. And youâll be happy
I got a 980 im thinking of getting a 4060.
I remember paying 1000+ for a shit tier PC in 1990 and it was normal (try being upset about $1200 in 2023 vs 1993). For those of us who need vram / CUDA and dont just game - this is not a bad gig. It is also very power efficient. For those upgrading from a 1060-1070 it's also a massive jump. Gamers have to one day understand tech advancements we saw from 240p - 1080p were insane and never happening again. We can stuff a trillion polygons and 8k textures, but it won't pop the same as going from a n64 to a 360. Each advancement will be small and expensive imo.
I just bought a 4060 ti 16gb I gotta say it works well runs 1440p with 100 frames plus I donât see why people are complaining itâs only 450 bucks
I feel that the 16GB VRAM will be better in the long run than the 3070 anyways. I don't see the problem with this card.
People have forgotten we still have inflation in the US. Everything is higher than 2020.
Greedflation, proven to be caused by corporate price gouging, rather than genuine inflation due to higher material and suchlike costs. Also, many other countries also have this sort of inflation. Though in the EU governments do step in to stop companies from unnecessarily raising prices very high on many things, unlike in the US, where corporations can do what they want pretty much.
in those 3 years inflation has increased so the $500 back then accounts for $558 today! just saying people complain but don't look at the bigger picture! the 4060Ti supports DLSS 3 the 3060ti dose not! I'm not saying that justify it but dose make it a better value proposition over the 3060ti!
Dlss at 1080 which is what these cards were made for is terrible
Unfortunately, I happen to be a bit in a niche situation. AMD is not a good option for me because I need CUDA cores for some neural network experiments, and also AMD's GPU down-scaling is messed up, which is important for me as a visually handicapped programmer. So I have to stick to Nvidia. I don't quite need a high-end GPU, being more of a tinkerer than a gamer. I'm still on GTX 960. I did not get 1060 because 960 was "good enough" for me at that time. I almost considered 2060, but then some other stuff happened in my life and then 3060 came with the insane crypto craze, so I wanted to wait it over. And now we have this stupid situation with 4060. Definitely, I don't want to buy an 8GB card, knowing that I upgrade rarely, so I would like something more future-proof. 16GB is so tempting but the price of 4060 Ti 16GB is just stupid, 520 EUR. Maybe I should buy a 3060 12GB. But frame gen and CUDA cores of 4060 are a really tempting factor. So maybe I should wait a bit for the rumored SUPER with the hope that 4060 Ti 16GB will get cheaper or if SUPER will offer more for the same price.
I'm in the same scenario here, I'm hoping for some good deals for Nvidia cards on black friday
The 4060ti will age pretty well as the average resolution bumps up from 1080p. Note that new motherboards can map the overage of RAM by loading overflow from the GPU into system memory (RAM). But you won't be happy when that happens... at higher resolutions. On older systems the software will just crash or not work.
Nvidia just doesnt wanna offer adequetly priced mid-range, future-proof options for gamers. Thats why they purposefully cut the memory bus to only 128 bit for 4060. I wont be suprprised if they start deliberately slowing down gpus with driver updates like Apple deliberately slows down their phones to sell more frequently
Super came out today i think considering prices both from nv and amd its a decent price
I don't hate this because I'm in any danger,.I watch CZcams videos about graphics cards for fun and I have enough disposable income to buy whatever I want. I hate this because the less sophisticated user who only wants to game and has had to sacrifice to get their money together to get a card is gonna get ripped off. And more than that, it's intentional deception on Nvidia's part. Between renaming everything as if it's one slot higher and trying to sell DLSS frames as equivalent to real frames, they have made it clear they want to take advantage of the uninformed consumer. Some kid has been saving his money for months and is going to order one of these 4000 series cards and he will in short order be struggling to play the games he wants to play. That's not okay.
This is probably one of the most mature comments Iâve seen in regards to GPUs.
6800 vs 4060 ti 16gb.
I don't hate it because got it for fair price on a flash sale on Black Friday (much less than a 4070 for my case), 16GB even on 128 bits makes a good difference for stutterings and frametime issues, expect in a year or some months according to game releases 8GB VRAM getting struggling even on 1080p like what happened with 6GB cards.
I think Nvdia just became the past 3dfx, only focus on their high class gpu and over-priced low end card
I just purchased a prebuilt gaming rig with a 4060ti 16gb and couldnât be happier. Yes, I know I could get an even more powerful card, but the price of 4K monitors are way too high for my budget. Now Iâve been playing all of my games on high and ultra graphics with fantastic results. Itâs not too expensive for new people starting out. The bitching just gets old.
You cant use the latest dlss with a 3070. Upscaling is the future, not rasta, why not mention that.
The Rtx 4060ti should of been 16gb at launch or at least 12gb and never should of had 8gb at all 8gb should of been the rtx 4050 as i bought my Rtx 4070 for ÂŁ539 and i think that could of been better than it is the Rtx 4070 should of been at least an Rtx 4070ti performance and should of definitely had 16gb VRam but 12 aint bad i love my Rtx 4070, so paying ÂŁ500 is just a joke, it should of had 16gb at launch for no more than ÂŁ400.
I'm so confused, videobenchmark shows that the 4060ti 16gb is just as good as the 3070 and almost as good as the 3070 ti for cheaper... and uses way less power, why does this card get hate? i literally dont understand... on paper it slaps, right?!
I need a card that can run 1440p, ideally on medium graphic settings with 144fps [can someone also clarify if I need to get 144 fps to make use of my 144hz monitor - this shit is fuckin confusing honestly]
It is roughly equivalent but has the 16gb spread for (a) higher resoultion throughput and (b) on-board GPU file systems, which are coming. 8gb won't get you very far in 2025.
I agree that it should be cheaper, but I will still buy this card for work. Because bottom line is it's a 3070 with 8GB more VRAM, AV1 encoding and it still outperforms cards like the 7900 XTX in apps like Blender.
It has a smaller bus, which keeps it cool and running fast. Faster than the 3070. GPUs have to crank down when they get hot. So y'know in that regard well- the extra L2 cache really helps in keeping traffic down across bus. Also note that file systems are anticipated to move into GPUs next year. That being the case, we're all going to start running out of GPU RAM as folks move their data stores over to the GPU.
The 3070 did not replace the 2080ti wtf? Nvidia literally marketed the 3080 as a direct replacement in all advertising. Not the 3070