Full review of the Panzer M4 (Benelli M4 clone)
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2021
- Finally got around to fully reviewing this gun.
No, it will never be a Benelli M4 nor will it be "just as gud", but it's a fun project gun that if you're willing to both overlook some possible QC flaws and commit to some improvements and aftermarket upgrades, it can scratch a particular itch you might have...
Been a full-time gunsmith since the '90s.
Worked on a boat load of tube fed shotguns.
It's a FREAKING MIRACLE that any of them work with ALL makes of shotgun shells.
The rim diameter varies a CRAP LOAD from make to make, batch to batch.
The reason this matters is that MOST tube fed shotguns have a shell latch and an interupter of some kind on opposite sides of the receiver at the mouth of the magazine tube.
A small diameter rim shell might slip right through and tie the gun up with a double feed (Remington) or shoot out of the bottom (Benelli & Mossberg). A large rim diameter shell might not feed at all, just stay in the magazine tube.
The interceptor and shell latch have to be timed together, one catches as the other lets go, they alternate back and forth. They just engage the back of the rim of the shell head.
The adjustment is usualky a matter of bending them to make adjustments. Most autoloaders use some kind of leaf or coil spring on the shell latch on the right side. That spring has to have enough tention to engage AND hold its positive against recoil and general handling.
The latch and interceptor also have to be smooth enough on their face to slide across. and off of, the rim.
This is made harder by the shell itself being rough, beat up etc.
Take a look at a variety of shells and you'll find quite a few with a concave rim tapering in towards the primer. This changes the geometry of the catch and interceptor from a neutral angle to a positive engagement which makes it harder for them to release which ALSO brings the strength/weight of the MAGAZINE SPRING into play.
THEN, on Remington autoloaders you have to account for the CARRIER LATCH which the feeding shell has to hit hard enough to operate. AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Welcome to the world of GUNSMITHING!!!!!!
When I saw the video was 30 minutes long, I didn’t bother watching. Then when I finally had the time I thought there was no way I’d get through all of it. Well, I watched every minute and it was totally worth the time. Very informative, honest, and helpful. Thanks man!
One of the best reviews on this gun yet.
This was one of the best reviews I have every seen. Great job.
Good review, excellent video. First video I've watched in a while where the presentation of information was perfect, didn't fast-forward through it any of it.
On we great review and passing of information!!! Thanks for your work.
Biggest regret I have is selling my Panzer M4. I made a few upgrades, like a Masa Tactical side saddle and a adjustable stock. I had plans to add the two round extension. A guy at work was looking for a shotgun and I mentioned I had a M4 clone. He ended giving me $650, so I sold it. Now I'm looking to buy another shotgun and I'm looking at the Panzer M4 or the Mossberg 590. I liked your video very much. Keep up the good work.
Great review. Very thorough. I just bought a benelli m4. Didn't know they made a clone.
I also have a Benelli M4 and have had it for sometime now. It took me a bit of time and money to get the parts I wanted. The collapsible stock was insanely hard to find and it was not cheap at all.
My backup is a Mossberg 930 Blackwater edition which I also dumped a ton of funds into. The Limbsaver version of the Mesa Tactical Urbino. And I wanted to change the sights out. I do NOT like the newer front sight on the 930 SBX as high as it is. So I sent the firearm off to tac plus which is a company which helped design some military sights. Anyway now I have a really nice set of sights where I can run fiber Optic or night.
And then there is the rest like Or3gun stuff and a much better saftey made out of alloy rather than plastic. I also have a rail forend and I can not remember the name? But there were two at that time. The bobcat is the other companies. And I have a perfect Eotech.
Now I am happy with it and it runs very smooth. The Mossberg actually doesn't mind any load I put in it.
A good shotgun should be in everyone's safe. I still have a Wilson's Combat build off the Remington 870 12 gauge. And I also have a pretty cool 870 in 20 gauge also set up for tac use.
The rest of my shotguns are all sporting. Over and unders mainly and a few Browning Auto 5's one is a sweet sixteen. Anywho I have bored people enough.
I would love to just compare one of these Turkish clones to me M4..
Awesome setup you put together!!!
Wonderful video with the gun on a mattress full of "strange circular stains," accumulated from many years ago.
Thanks...the dirty couch is a legend in it's own right 🤣
Hey don't feel bad brother seem everytime I get my gun out something gets stains up!!
Nice honest review and thanks.
You don't have to replace the spring or shell stop. Get a punch set, push out the roll pin and take out the shell stop. Bend the part that contacts the rim of the shell slightly towards the middle of the loading port. Don't bend it too much or the shells won't load and be careful not to break it. I'd recommend the GG&G bolt release button that comes with the shell stop.
THIS!
Definitely liked your reference to a Kit Gun, sounds about right
We're did you by the magazine extension
Excellent vid man! I was thinking of buying one of these and I’m a bit hesitant now because of the QC issues you mention. Very very good review.
Not me, I wasn’t hesitant at all. Bought one last night from Classic Firearm’s for the princely sum of $399. With tax and shipping it came to $467 & change I’m looking forward to having fun with mine, after it arrives @. my FFL next week
@@shakin_jakewilson5247 so how is it
@@kingtony4507 I’m totally impressed with the M4 clone CF sent me. Sights line up straight. Fit & finish isA1. So far all I’ve loaded and fired have been 00 Buck and slugs. No problem firing and ridding empty shell casings. Right off the bat I pulled the trigger as fast as i could and not one hiccup. This gun cycles ammo quickly and w/o drama. All that said, I haven’t fired it much since the initial testing and i don’t recall if i tried firing low brass but, it eats the dog out of high brass. Years ago i shot skeet every Sunday at Boca Chica. Back then (mid eighties) i used a 12 guage pump primarily (havevaside by side 20 guage i shot too but not much). I’d like to try this clone M4 on a skeet range if for no other reason than to see how she’d do. So far the only accesories I’ve installed has been a Spandex skleeve on the butt stock which carries extra shotshells. I eventually want to hang a light somewhere on it but, funds for that dried up yet if i want to take a 12 gauge shotty out at night, i have an auto 12 guage that feeds via 10 round mags, and it is equipped with a night light. Not the same as this clone M4 yet she runs the light at night well. If you’re on the fence getting this particular M4 clone, my advice is buy one, you wont regret it. I wouldn’t hesitate picking mine up to defend my homestead
@@shakin_jakewilson5247 I bought one myself from buds and not gonan lie I was impressed with it as well I ran 2 boxes of high brass XLR remington 2 3/4 loads, then a box of 3 inch buck, then a box of 3 inch slugs, then I tried some federal 7 1/2 shot walmart red box bulk ammo and she ate all of what I fed her and wanted more I'm now up to 350 rounds without any issues.
Great review!
Thank you for the review.
Informative video. Thank you!
Just ordered my stock from delta mike today. Any tips to avoid the customs issue?
How long did it take for you to receive your stock the second time they had to ship it?
Looks good man!
Very good and informative video👍
Rear sight on mine also off to the right. took measurements to find holes in sight are off 15 thou. Ugh. Fix is of course to buy the Benelli lpa rear sight. Otherwise have 500 through mine without a stoppage. Great honest video!!
Mine was to the left and crocked so i put 2 tiny strips of electrical tape were the was slanted and that fixed it
I asked Mesa tactical if the 15inch truckee handguard would fit the panzer m4. They responded with they haven’t tested it but based on what other customers say it will go in but will be a little loose fitting. Does your 11 inch hangaurd fit well? Basically i need to know if I should just go with the 11 inch or get what I want and do the 15inch?
How did you mount the inforce light to that handrail, is there a mlok pic rail adapter?
Rail-Estate. I like it hahah nice video man; thanks for the review. I own a benelli m4 h2o I’ve shot but I haven’t trained on and I want to get one of these to beat up and train with.
Thanks! These Turkish clones would make excellent beaters and training tools, and if you're a tinkerer, a fun project gun.
Great review.
Excellent video btw
Does anyone know which which full size mag tubes fit the panzer m4? Just bought one last week. He mentioned Daves metal work but they’re sold out
I just bought a Panzer M4 and waiting for delivery. I plan to leave it as-is. If I like it, I’ll buy a Benelli M4 and leave it as-is. Over the years when I’ve attempted to “upgrade” a stock firearm on my own, I encountered issues. I know some folks who have tested the Panzer and Benelli side-by-side and were impressed how comparable they were performance wise without enhancements to either one. One individual mentioned that his Benelli encountered some hiccups with cycling but cleared up after a break-in period of about 100 or so rounds and was absolutely reliable afterwards. I’ll take reliability with as-is factory configuration after a reasonable break-in over two additional rounds of magazine capacity and other accoutrements that may compromise reliability and require more tinkering. Just my opinion and experience. But nice review nonetheless.
I just got one. Haven't even shot it yet and I'm hearing something rattling in the recoil tube/stock. Sounds like a washer or screw rolling about. Any idea as to what it could be? I just don't wanna tear it down unnecessarily
How did you get the stock tube
Because all I can find is that adjustable stock but it says I need the tube
So after the break in (minus the issues caused by the extended tube) it ran fine? Any other issues with this gun after 1000 rounds?
Subscribed. Great review.
I had fte fails with a new Mossberg 930. The brass was swelling n sticking in the chamber tight enough for the extractor to pull off the brass. Took out the barrel, ran a drill n brake hone in the back of the chamber. Issue gone, runs like a race horse.
Thanks for the video. Thinking I’ll go with and A300 patrol.
This video should have been called "full breakdown of everything i did to my panzer m4"
Did you have to change the recoil tube to put the stock on? I tried to put the “delta mike” turknelli fixed(field stock) and it wouldn’t fit with the panzer arms recoil tube.
The collapsible stock does come with a replacement tube yes. Fit together without issue.
Does ANYONE know if this is a rifled barrel or a smooth bore. I want to know before I start buying slugs for it.
Smooth bore
I bought a tube mag extension from Brownells for mine and had to do serious modifications just to get it installed, so not a 100 percent clone.
Hopefully mine will run at least
Also: big thing it appears you need to watch for abnormal wear is the two surfaces that get contacted by the pistons.
True, from what I gather, that's a heat treat issue that affected certain guns, and issues tend to reveal themselves pretty early on.
@@keenshot3482 yes that’s the nice thing. All in all it appears the 5 or so models of this clone on the market are progressively better. The panzer seems like a great one and what I’ve decided to buy is one of the SDS variant ones. The Charles Daly just seems like hot trash.
@@keenshot3482 can you add all upgrades n where to get them.
@@keenshot3482 Does anyone know which which full size mag tubes fit the panzer m4? Just bought one last week. You mentioned Daves metal work but they’re sold out
Dave's metal for the mag tube and I went through a company in Canada and got the collapsing buttstock for like 75$
May I ask what hand guard that is? I have a M4 myself I was wondering if it would fit mine
As it is a clone I would think it would work on mine
Mesa Truckee forened, the 11" variant.
Looks like a better option than the Chiappa clone (pretty sure it's called the Charles Daly or something, and I don't think that they use the same magazine tubes as Benellis so getting 8 round capacity would probably be difficult)
I do not know about all Charles Daly's. But I can say you have to look at each series of models differently. There are some surprising makers that the Daly's sell. For instance the Zastava Z5. These are an incredible. 22LR's but not many people know some of the Dalys are in fact the same rifle.
I do not pretend to know every firearm but I have seen very good to very bad in many companies.
What I am currently after is a coach gun. Little double barrel with exposed hammers. I have always wanted one. Ah maybe someday..
What red dot do you have on? Great vid.
You put a grand into a 450.00 shotgun? or is that total which means that you put the cost of the shotgun on top of the price you payed? I am confused as to where the aftermarket items like the mag extension, large charging handle, and the AR style butt stock? I can't find them. but I'm old so nit a tech guy when it comes to internet😂. I like that butt stock as long as it's not real expensive. did you say that the recoil spring tube is plastic as well as the butt parts? Mine came with three grooves and I told there is a kit for butt stock and grip that goes right on? thanks.
Did I see correctly that you have a crack formed in the bolt face? I realize you said it looks fine but it looks like a crack to me.
Thanks for the honest review. Many ppl have reviewed this gun and said it's just as good as the Benelli M4. I believe they were paid off to say so.
After Benelli fired Tom Knapp when he got sick, I decided I would never buy anything from them. I like the M4, so I might have to grab one of these.
There not bad had mine for a few yesrs i chose my komando p4 over the m4 just to habe a "taste" of the shotgun world and mines been pretty dam awsome
Can the stock be removed, leaving just the pistol grip ?
Great review, Wonder who has the most rounds through one without any failures or parts breakage. Over 400+ rounds on this one, I think is the highest I've seen. Looks great inside and sounds like a great deal.
Ive got 2k rounds through mine
@@jamesstephenson2346 No problems? Strange wear patterns?
Has the holosun survived the shotgun recoil?
Classic firearms has clone stock and grip for 42$ this morning. Still need the tube.
Thanks, great video. Lots of good info. I recently purchased a Panzer M4 as well. I'm looking to do some upgrades on it. What exact 7rd tube did you purchase from Dave's? I didn't see the Panzer listed on his website for Turkish clones.
Look under DMW's "Benelli Turkish M-4 Clone" section. There are two 7-rd tubes (called a "2 Round Replacement Tube" on the website), one of those two tubes is for the Panzer M4 and a handful of other clones... the Panzer is listed last, IIRC.
@jmichna1 i bought one and it's too long, don't have the tools to properly fit it. Now I'm out 135 bucks.
Will the tactical stock for the panzer work on the Benelli m4 reliably?
I don't think any of the Turkish clones have notches in their recoil tubes to take a collapsible stock, you'd have to buy one separately and install it. I was going to buy a Panzer M4 (and still might) but instead I bought an AKSA S4 for 400 and a Sulun Arms TAC-12 for 650. Both of them just had standard recoil tubes without notches. I put an Urbino stock on the S4 which was easy, but for the TAC-12 I got an adjustable stock w/ pistol grip from Delta Mike Ltd which came with it's own preassembled recoil tube. I'm pretty sure that's what he has in this video because the stock looks identical to mine. It did require a heat gun to swap it out but I personally thought it was easier than replacing the mag tube, my mag tube was tough to get off. Side note, for anyone considering the TAC-12, there's a video on CZcams with the comments disabled called "FIX TURKNELLI MISFEED ISSUE". I had that same issue with mine as demonstrated in that video. Some of their breech bolt latches were just barely out of spec. Rather than slightly filing it down like in the video, I just got a genuine Benelli latch to replace it for like 15 bucks. Other than that issue, it seems like a solid clone. Side note, the finish on the Tac-12 is actually really nice, but the S4's finish not so much.
Is there a need to get around 922r with this shotgun? I’m wanting to pick one up
If I understand 922R correctly (lol), only if you add an extended magazine.
I've heard that a bead sight is better than Ghost Ring Sight, is it possible to remove the GRS?
Whoever told you bead site …tell them to fvk off. 😂
Can you post where you got everything from in the comments?
The failure to extract happend to me a few times due to shooting club or target load but with higher fps shells like 00 buck in 1350 1450 fps she was smooth as silk and slugs no problem but lighter loads id have that issue but i dont mind it its another training aspect
Great review! I got the same one from panzer. If I can choose again, I would go for a 1301 or m2 since I have put more than $500 upgrade kit to make it run fine
Totally understandable, 1301 would be a much better investment for something someone may need to actually depend on for more than just range plinking.
I do think however, if you get a good Turkish clone out of the box without any serious QC flaws, you're a Benelli extractor away from having a pretty solid semi auto shotgun for the money.
@@keenshot3482 totally agree, after changed that extractor, the fte issue was gone. I found out that you got a black bolt carrier on your panzer but the one I got is silver, do they have same quality?
@@MrCRISSLIN honestly no clue about the quality difference. I'd just ask specifically is your carrier chrome plated? If it's chromed and not some painted on finish, I'd consider that a good thing and arguably better quality than the black painted ones.
I've owned both an m4 and 1301. Traded my m4 for a 10mm cmmg pistol. Yeah the m4was nice but my 1301 is much better. Oh! BTW I got some nice boot with that trade
@@MrCRISSLIN I only fired about a dozen rounds through mine and none would eject. It was a single shot shotgun. Did you just replace the extractor or the extractor spring as well? Sounds like yours runs fine once you did the adjustment.
Ok so,, where do you purchase the magazine extention, and the AR style stock, and the bolt charging handle, because the GG&G does not go in. if yku get it in you won't get it out. I returned the one I bought as the pinched bolt handle has a spot that the end meets the detent and you twist it a little and then the handle pops in. they want to call it anti spin virus the spin one. thats not what the two hatchet marks are at the end of it are for. they are there to meet and make a small place so that it pushes the detent in enough so the handle does not pop out. I am amazed I cant find that AR style stock. thats totally cool and handy. also the magazine extention that would fit, rather than getting rapped for an entire tube. yes a tube with some threads on end. A lot of money for a whole tube. any help you can give let me know. Bennelli snobs that sell parts are not very nice. treat you like crap. well mine shoots great, no FTF or FTE not a problem finding after market parts. and it is very reliable. And btw, please you dont have to curse so much guy. come in your a grown up.
Link for the tube plz. Thanks!
I'm buying one.
There are two companies that produce this type of gun in Turkey....one is very reputable, the other is new entry. I wonder which one produces this gun...
All this about trigger not resetting, I heard from classic firearms that you need to use high power/high velocity rounds like slug shot when your breaking it in or the firearm won't function correctly
Very good review, I just don't remember if the creator mentioned that the gun requires quality ammo to break it in.
Just pick up one of these and have ran 200 rounds so far through it with no issues what so ever.
Appreciate the video. Decided not to get one.
I would love to have a John Bargain Wick 😂
I plan to run brand name 00 buck, you think it would run okay?
Mine ate cheap buck fine, probably nothing to worry about using good stuff.
@@keenshot3482 thanks
I broke mine in useing score (canadian made) its pretty good buckshot and iv used remingron buckshot and windchester she handels buck just fine and slugs to :)
Tap out the pin holding the shell stop and stretch your spring and give it a try. If it fixes it just order a new M4 spring. I've heard the stops on some Turks won't swap with aftermarket & Benelli part. I had to stretch my spring a bit and she's been banging away great ever since. I have the Copolla T4, and yes, it's my "project gun" but it's been running great except that one problem. (I did get a replacement bolt carrier from them to replace a soft carrier that started peening tho)
Does anyone have a link to purchase this shotgun? I cannot find one anywhere.
'Classic Firearms' had some in stock back in like January or February. I was going to buy one too but they've been out of stock for so long I ended up going with an SDS Sulun Arms Tac-12 instead which is supposedly 100% compatible with Benelli parts. I've read nothing but good things about it and I'm happy so far. I still think the Panzer Arms shotgun is worth the wait as long as you're willing to wait. From what I've read most of the Turkish M4 clones are pretty decent all except for the Charles Daly 601 which has a reputation of being probably the worst M4 clone of them all. I've heard the SDS S4 is alright but sometimes after the first few hundred rounds it may need to be disassembled to be maintained, parts cleaned lubed, locktited, etc. then it works fine after that. I haven't heard much about the SDS Radikal Sax2 shotgun but the little bit that I have heard has been good.
Midway had them.
What sort of ammo where you using?
Some of theas m4 clpnes very in break in time but once there good i used 1100 fps clay shot in mine as "training" but i used buckshot and slugs at 1350 to1500 fps
I heard that it’s just made in turkey but the parts are quality from…🤔😬 somewhere else! Good review bruh!
We need updates on the Panzer.
Any problems running mini shells?
In all honesty never used minis.
I dont think ive seen a semi auto that will run the mini shells
the issue's are 2 years ago? they ate no more issues
Nice
Thanks for doing this and giving a good review on it. I will agree what piece of shit gun, good to see you are cool with it and willing to try and make it better. No fluff just real talk here.
is it compatible with all benelli parts?
Most parts for sure yes. 100%? YMMV...
@@keenshot3482 Thanks
Does the Panzer screw on and off like the Benelli?
The stock is what I am referring to.
I know this is an old post but yes it does
Is this worth it over something like a Benelli Supernova
I got mine for under 900 in canada :) so there not pricey but who knows i see alot of theas tuknelli videos so there geting out there now so who knows if the prices go up
Love this video and review. I followed the advice and have changed several parts with benelli originals and others (Mesa foregrip, classics adjustable stock, ect) . Benelli springs (extractor and shell stop) have more tension, though could be due to panzer springs being used, not sure there. Extractor was miserable to remove. Broke 4 punches and I've been doing this a few years. Hardest removal I've ever done. Had the Panzer pin snap off twice when trying to pull it out with vice grips after it was punched out a bit. Benelli's extractor is curved while panzer is more of a right angle. I was not having extraction problems but want this to be as reliable as possible for home defense. Anyway, in hindsight I would not have replaced the extractor, at least until if/when problems arose.
What’s the website for the stock
Delta Mike's out of new Zealand
What happened to the corner of that bench sir? 🤣🤣🤣
I own basic version and it s a great gun......
Holy hell I don’t got time to deal with QC issues. Seems like more of a project than a serious defensive tool.
You got that right, I shot a lot of the M4 clones, they are all hit or miss mostly miss. I get the $2000 price tag for the Benelli is high, but they do run. I've been telling my friends if they can't spend 2K+. get the M2 or the Beretta 1301 Tactical.
@@looloo6322 buy once cry once. If you like to mod I suggest the 1301 simply because you can build it for the price of the base M4. Hindsight says I should’ve bought 2 1301s and built them for the $4k+ I’m into the m4 for.
@@Tariq_F._Raheem86 I have to restrain from add-ons to my M4, It has the 7 round tube, collapsible stock, Scalarworks Mount for my Trijicon RM06 and a Truckee forearm. I' probably gonna' get a bolt handle, bolt release and that should be about it.
@@looloo6322 mine has the full briley workup, carbon fiber tube, plus 1 ext, 10 shells in gun should be enough😂, full length handguard, trigger, trigger guard, shell release, 6 position stock, gg&g bolt controls, plus the scalar works, holosun, waiting for there completion optic to come out trying to decide on a light that fits tight enough. It’s built like a race gun but just for HD.
@@Tariq_F._Raheem86 sounds great, a buddy of mine has the Taran Tactical one, plus he switched out the stock for a collapsible, he's got a little over 4k in it. I load my own #00 buck even cast my own pellets, so it's becoming my favorite home defense firearm. Check out Bubba Roundtree on youtube, for any reloading info.
Keen shot like commander Keen?
I had both and actually had more issues with the real M4. Actually bought my son a Panther as and both have not had a single issue. I have about two thousand rounds through the Panther, his about 400. I stopped shooting the real M4 after about 700 rds and sold it. Our club has a number of Military that use them to train with and all speak highly of the Panther with no complaints. I did not buy the Panther or the real m4 for home defense. It is more of a range toy and trainer. There are better smaller/lighter shotguns for home defense. I highly recommend the Panther. I am wondering after reading your review that wise to not use the extended magazine. Stick with stock.
Panther
@@reneleal6874🐯💪🏼
I do not "Understand?" when you bolt on, add on, hubcaps and spinners? How do we Know the Item is the "Problem?" or the Hubcaps and spinners changing the ENGINEERED Weights and throws? Are The Problem?
AND did "We" do a COMPLETE TEAR DOWN clean and Oil? to Have a Good Bass Line to Start our quality control point?
Just picked up a Panzer M4 from Palmetto State Armory. Low 2021 serial number. The bolt release is a bitch to depress. very stiff spring on there. Im hoping a GG&G enlarged bold release will remedy the problem. Have Mesa GG&G enlarged bolt handle and Urbino stock on order as well.
I think it is important to note that, as an imported shotgun to the US, to add the collapsible stock and magazine extension you will need to replace a number of components from a specific list with American made parts to be legal. Do your research.
Bro... Don't nobody care about no 922R
@@barrygregg3476 I realize that, I get that if they are hitting you with 922r you probably have alot bigger problems, but I just thought it might be worth a mention.
Whats a Vepr 12 doing in a Panzer M4 Full Review??? Slip that in for fun or just an editor error? Shouldn't a full review have a disassembly/assembly section? Did have some good info, bolt carrier, GG&G info, trigger issue, and the buttstock upgrade. Shot shells are rated by the drams equvilent in powder and the weight of the payload. 7/8 oz, 1 oz, 1 1/8 oz, etc. heavier loads cycle more reliably as their dwell time feeds a bit more gas to the system. 3 dram load with 1 1/8 oz of shot (any shot) hits the 1200 FPS muzzle velocity. Most shell manufacturers adhere to this pretty closely. Some lower dollar shells seem to be a bit short on the powder charge or inconsistant. If your on the edge of cycling, this will present an issue. Some good info.
Militec ! oil will change your mind about oil/ protection
You could have got that buttstock from Canada for 75$!!! That's where I got mine
Thats txrange in midlothian
hoping panzer got the kinks out. just ordered one lol
Have you done any upgrades? Just bought one this week. Want to know which replacement full size tubes fit the panzer?
Mines been great. I've put the collapsible stock on it and Dave's 7 round tube and no problems
So basically just buy a canuck opperator. Haven't heard much bad about those
gun is right handed
So basically it’s nothing like the original gun. Except for the mechanism.
Why are there so many videos of this thing sucking ass but I see Classic Firearms video showing not a single malfunction
I have a real Benelli M1014 and I have 3k invested in mine... :(
As in all things.... Buy cheap, buy twice.